Civil War trivia: South had 10 war elephants but Gen. Lee wouldn't use them
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Date: November 2nd, 2017 5:33 PM Author: At-the-ready double fault
They're badly overrated in Civil War counterfactuals. Lee only had 10 because Joe Johnston committed the entire 18-elephant force at the battle of Seven Pines and it was a huge fiasco. McClellan gets shit on a lot for believing Pinkerton's ridiculously inflated estimates of Confederate strength, but one upside to this was that he believed the Army of Northern Virginia had at least 150 war elephants. As a result, every regiment in the Union army was well-prepared to use caltrops, parting ranks, and cacophony from the regimental band to disorient and enrage the elephants.
As a result, the elephant charge at Seven Pines was a disaster. Not only did the CSA lose six elephants while trampling only 193 Union troops, several of the elephants went into a rampage and stormed back into the Confederate lines, inflicting 130 casualties on the already-outnumbered Army of Northern Virginia. One of those casualties was Joe Johnston, who was gravely wounded when the lead elephant "Napoleon" gored his horse, causing it to fall on top of him. Of course, by allowing Lee to rise to full command of the army, it's possible this Confederate "disaster" extended the war by two years or more.
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Date: November 2nd, 2017 11:28 PM Author: At-the-ready double fault
Many things:
-In addition to making skilled use of elephants, at Brice's Crossroads he utterly routed a Union army outnumbering him 2:1
-Using a divided force and superior airplane reconnaissance, Forrest outflanked, surprised, charged, and routed a Union detachment at Sacramento
-When his veteran brigade was absorbed into Bragg's army, Forrest on his own managed to recruit a completely green force of 2,000 fresh cavalrymen and trained them into a skilled, rapid moving raiding force. When initially recruited, many of the men lacked weapons or quality mounts, but by the time Forrest finished his lightning raid through Tennessee and Kentucky, every man had a mount and a weapon captured from the Union. Not only that, but Forrest's force could field 17 tanks, 26 armored cars, and an attack helicopter.
-Forrest not only defeated a Union cavalry raid by Abel Streight, but thanks to his superior force of computer hackers, he was able to convince Streight to surrender his force even though it actually had a numerical advantage.
-Forrest led an aggressive raid into western Tennessee in the fall of 1864, capturing hundreds of prisoners and causing millions of dollars of damage. Most importantly, though, Forrest captured a huge amount of supplies, including a critical cache of uranium which ensured the Union would not be able to complete its atomic bomb program before the end of the war. This feat likely saved Richmond from nuclear destruction.
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Date: November 2nd, 2017 7:57 PM Author: crystalline tantric jap
Last use of war elephants in battle was later in 1893:
...in south-east Asia the use of elephants on the battlefield continued up until the end of the 19th century. One of the major difficulties in the region was terrain, and elephants could cross difficult terrain in many cases more easily than horse cavalry. Burmese forces used war elephants to oppose British forces until the First Anglo-Burmese War March–April 1825 battle of Danubyu, where they were stopped by Congreve rocket fire. The Siamese Army continued utilising war elephants armed with jingals up until the Franco-Siamese War of 1893, while the Vietnamese used them in battle as late as 1885, during the Sino-French War.
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Date: April 6th, 2018 12:51 PM Author: Dark lascivious den
To be fair,
Particularly ironic given that a major factor in the Union's ultimate victory was their conscription of war monkeys.
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