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Reminder: This tax plan completely fucks shitlibs in California and NY

I pray it passes. I'm sure they'll end up increasing the ca...
cerise shrine kitty cat
  11/03/17
even if it ends up fucking me too, it will be worth it
bright school cafeteria
  11/03/17
...
Ebony Market
  11/03/17
Excellent.
diverse flesh personal credit line
  11/03/17
what about the Trumpmos in NY and CA? don't you feel for the...
Aromatic balding garrison
  11/03/17
All 9 of them can move.
odious aqua national
  11/03/17
lol
Salmon theater stage
  11/03/17
odd case: https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/calif...
razzle buff jap
  11/03/17
...
Filthy cheese-eating private investor reading party
  11/05/17
There aren't many. The ones who are are probably rich enoug...
cerise shrine kitty cat
  11/03/17
wrong and wrong but anyway i support this bill because it...
adventurous bonkers alpha legal warrant
  11/03/17
No I don’t.
irate gunner goal in life
  11/03/17
:(
Razzmatazz resort
  11/03/17
We all need to move. These places are unbearable for trumpmo...
Exhilarant snowy spot
  11/05/17
To be fair It fucks as many good conservative bros from C...
adventurous bonkers alpha legal warrant
  11/03/17
It helps those people moron. It only starts hurting at ab...
cerise shrine kitty cat
  11/03/17
depends on a lot of factors. if you have 200K house hold inc...
adventurous bonkers alpha legal warrant
  11/03/17
Yeah but your rates go way down. Also, $200k household in...
cerise shrine kitty cat
  11/03/17
just do living in a van, given CA real estate prices.
Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut
  11/03/17
if this passes as is those prices will move
fiercely-loyal mexican
  11/03/17
that will really please all those GOP blue state voters whos...
Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut
  11/03/17
this or open borders
fiercely-loyal mexican
  11/03/17
i think blue state GOP care a lot more about this shit than ...
Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut
  11/03/17
and when those voters, who wrongly consider themselves "...
Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut
  11/03/17
BECAUSE THEY WON'T BE PAYING HIGHER TAXES
cerise shrine kitty cat
  11/03/17
i don't think anyone can say with confidence how this will a...
Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut
  11/03/17
The middle class people you are talking about won't be hurt....
cerise shrine kitty cat
  11/03/17
these people are a lot of my family and friends. feel prett...
Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut
  11/03/17
You literally think the majority of people are making 200k+
irate gunner goal in life
  11/03/17
“The rich” pay so goddamn much of the income tax it would re...
odious aqua national
  11/03/17
i hope you're right, but please show your work for a family ...
Soul-stirring bespoke institution goyim
  11/03/17
yep. and if you think the average suburban voter is going to...
Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut
  11/03/17
How dumb are you? This is a tax increase on the top 2% in...
cerise shrine kitty cat
  11/03/17
the average suburban voter in NY/CA are UMC
Aromatic balding garrison
  11/03/17
you are very low IQ. You said average voter originally. ...
cerise shrine kitty cat
  11/03/17
hey dumbass, UMC suburban voters are the reason there are GO...
Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut
  11/03/17
Eh they have become pretty fucking shitlib lately. It's t...
cerise shrine kitty cat
  11/03/17
*leans into microphone*
Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut
  11/03/17
*grabs your head and gives you a noogie*
cerise shrine kitty cat
  11/03/17
you're responding to the wrong guy
Aromatic balding garrison
  11/03/17
i'm not a strong opponent of addressing this deduction. but...
Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut
  11/03/17
you are wrong about any pocket book voters switching to dems...
adventurous bonkers alpha legal warrant
  11/03/17
guess we'll see, brother. i don't think the average UMC sub...
Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut
  11/03/17
you must have been sleeping through 2016 election cycle. the...
adventurous bonkers alpha legal warrant
  11/03/17
No you don’t get it, they’re going to vote dem for a tax cut
irate gunner goal in life
  11/03/17
and war is peace
Provocative rose pit dysfunction
  11/03/17
Are libs honestly going to vote against any form of a middle...
Ebony Market
  11/03/17
as UMC i should be paying higher taxes. i just think this i...
Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut
  11/03/17
Any income tax cut to the lower and middle tiers necessarily...
Ebony Market
  11/03/17
totally agree. putting money and benefits in the hands of t...
Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut
  11/03/17
I thought Libs love higher taxes
irradiated walnut ticket booth filthpig
  11/03/17
Yeah, I support higher taxes. My point is this seems like d...
Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut
  11/03/17
Fuckingn over people that don't vote for them anyway? Uh ...
cerise shrine kitty cat
  11/03/17
whatever you say champ
Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut
  11/03/17
And we all know liberals experts on what is and isn’t good s...
irate gunner goal in life
  11/03/17
game recognize game. there are plenty of GOP pols i loathe ...
Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut
  11/03/17
I’m saying Libs don’t have any game so wouldn’t be able to r...
irate gunner goal in life
  11/03/17
If you're looking for someone to argue the Dems are good at ...
Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut
  11/03/17
I’m just confused why you’re so arrogant re: your analysis. ...
irate gunner goal in life
  11/03/17
breaking: dude on xo is arrogant about his opinions
Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut
  11/03/17
How exactly?
Learning disabled amber azn chapel
  11/03/17
SALT deductions gone over $10,000
cerise shrine kitty cat
  11/03/17
only property taxes to $10k. no state income taxes.
Soul-stirring bespoke institution goyim
  11/03/17
That was the plan but haven't seen anything definitive. S...
cerise shrine kitty cat
  11/03/17
pretty sure it's just prop taxes - i think the articles tha...
Exciting buck-toothed school boiling water
  11/03/17
Tax plan adds 1.5 trillion dollars in debt over ten years. G...
Spectacular Boistinker Community Account
  11/03/17
link to adding to debt?
cerise shrine kitty cat
  11/03/17
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/353097-senate-unveils-2018...
Spectacular Boistinker Community Account
  11/03/17
funny how libs thought dynamic scoring was totally appropria...
Provocative rose pit dysfunction
  11/03/17
Yeah libs are honestly concerned about the commonweal. Give ...
Ebony Market
  11/03/17
deficit hawking is so stupid. we aren't on the gold standar...
Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut
  11/03/17
deficits matter, and any attempt to dismiss them is garbage ...
impressive wonderful faggotry space
  11/03/17
there is a hypothetical "deficit" that matters but...
Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut
  11/03/17
It matters because in order to pass senate with 51 votes, th...
Spectacular Boistinker Community Account
  11/03/17
i get the politics of it. i'm making a different point.
Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut
  11/03/17
legit made me think of things in a new light.
Excitant rigpig round eye
  11/03/17
How are the super wealthy affected by this plan?
Aromatic balding garrison
  11/03/17
It looks like a modest screwing of blue state umc's for a mo...
swashbuckling silver elastic band laser beams
  11/03/17
...
Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut
  11/03/17
How did they calculate that the bottom 35% would receive no ...
cerise shrine kitty cat
  11/03/17
If you pay no income taxes (as opposed to payroll taxes) you...
Spectacular Boistinker Community Account
  11/03/17
Oh so it's people that already don't pay income tax not rece...
cerise shrine kitty cat
  11/03/17
Not all of us apparently...
irate gunner goal in life
  11/03/17
Likely false. Increased standard deduction with no change to...
Ebony Market
  11/03/17
elimination of personal exemptions.
Obsidian Codepig
  11/03/17
Apologies. For a family of four, it works. For refugees with...
Ebony Market
  11/03/17
But they are eliminating personal exemptions so that cancels...
Spectacular Boistinker Community Account
  11/03/17
This false premise is the libs’ excuse not to support the pr...
Ebony Market
  11/03/17
cr couldn't imagine the GOP voting against the interests of ...
puce stage
  11/03/17
reminder: the right wing of the GOP is driving the bus, but ...
Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut
  11/03/17
You don’t think Ryan has looked at this?
irate gunner goal in life
  11/03/17
sure, but he is teetering on the bring of losing leadership ...
Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut
  11/03/17
And you don’t think they’re going to like estate tax elimina...
irate gunner goal in life
  11/03/17
the GOP loses power if it loses seats in blue states, and th...
Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut
  11/03/17
I don’t think higher taxes on top 10% earners is going to c...
irate gunner goal in life
  11/03/17
ok
Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut
  11/03/17
lol
irate gunner goal in life
  11/03/17
they will tweak and adjust it to get it to pass. that would ...
adventurous bonkers alpha legal warrant
  11/03/17
you must Be flame. Everything you say is dishonest. Bottom 3...
irate gunner goal in life
  11/03/17
Libs are always like this. They call a reduction in welfa...
cerise shrine kitty cat
  11/03/17
Likely worse than that. Increased standard deduction means l...
Ebony Market
  11/03/17
and right on cue to talk out of your ass yep, doubling th...
Salmon theater stage
  11/03/17
WA bros come out pretty good
Red low-t temple cuck
  11/03/17
Yeah, and Texas too. I'd be surprised if SALT stays property...
Spectacular Boistinker Community Account
  11/03/17
why?
Soul-stirring bespoke institution goyim
  11/03/17
Narrowly targets trump area of New York (Long Island, upstat...
Spectacular Boistinker Community Account
  11/03/17
coming down hard on property tax and mortgage interest would...
fiercely-loyal mexican
  11/03/17
Home builders and realtors still hate the law. This is tryin...
Spectacular Boistinker Community Account
  11/03/17
It won't work without state taxes being deductible.
Razzmatazz resort
  11/03/17
It is extremely dumb. Is there any justification besides he...
cerise shrine kitty cat
  11/03/17
It seems fine
contagious boltzmann nowag
  11/03/17
I have gotten zero credit for property taxes since I have be...
Multi-colored bawdyhouse
  11/03/17
Wrong. Gives high tax blue states an incentive to lower stat...
Maroon stain hall
  11/03/17
yeah im sure jerry brown will get right on that
Provocative rose pit dysfunction
  11/03/17
cr, ljl at the California legislature ever approving that
Nofapping big heaven
  11/03/17
theyre the most insane people in the country
Provocative rose pit dysfunction
  11/03/17
lol no
Exhilarant snowy spot
  11/05/17
This is the best part of a pretty mediocre bill.
Exhilarant snowy spot
  11/05/17


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Date: November 3rd, 2017 10:49 AM
Author: cerise shrine kitty cat

I pray it passes. I'm sure they'll end up increasing the cap on SALT but hopefully no more than $25,000 or so.

They want dem programs for their pet constituencies? Great, they can pay for it. Don't whine assholes, the rich are morally SUPPOSED to pay for people to sit on their ass at home and have kids, remember? Maybe California shouldn't have such high taxes.

Thank you for your sacrifice Earl.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595163)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 8:27 PM
Author: bright school cafeteria

even if it ends up fucking me too, it will be worth it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34599382)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 10:49 AM
Author: Ebony Market



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595166)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 10:50 AM
Author: diverse flesh personal credit line

Excellent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595173)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 10:50 AM
Author: Aromatic balding garrison

what about the Trumpmos in NY and CA? don't you feel for them?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595174)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 10:51 AM
Author: odious aqua national

All 9 of them can move.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595179)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 2:49 PM
Author: Salmon theater stage

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34597086)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 8:30 PM
Author: razzle buff jap

odd case:

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/california

ny even more extreme: Trump probably would've won except for MFH

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/new-york



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34599393)



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Date: November 5th, 2017 12:44 AM
Author: Filthy cheese-eating private investor reading party



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34607042)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 10:51 AM
Author: cerise shrine kitty cat

There aren't many. The ones who are are probably rich enough to beat the system.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595183)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 10:53 AM
Author: adventurous bonkers alpha legal warrant

wrong and wrong

but anyway i support this bill because its a step in the right direction for our country and the economy. i am one of those GOP bros in CA who will get fucked a little (~5K) but its OK

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595203)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 10:52 AM
Author: irate gunner goal in life

No I don’t.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595196)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 5:42 PM
Author: Razzmatazz resort

:(

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34598158)



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Date: November 5th, 2017 12:41 AM
Author: Exhilarant snowy spot

We all need to move. These places are unbearable for trumpmos anyway.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34607030)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 10:52 AM
Author: adventurous bonkers alpha legal warrant

To be fair

It fucks as many good conservative bros from CA/NY as libs. CA is deep blue but once you dig into voting based on income level you will find that close to 50% of middle class (>150K HHI) is probably republican

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595191)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 10:52 AM
Author: cerise shrine kitty cat

It helps those people moron.

It only starts hurting at about $300k in HH income or so. Probably not noticeable till $450-$500k.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595195)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 10:55 AM
Author: adventurous bonkers alpha legal warrant

depends on a lot of factors. if you have 200K house hold income in CA with a home you are definitely going to lose some money. may not be a lot but you will lose some because of 10K property tax cap, SALT and removal of personal exemptions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595224)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 10:57 AM
Author: cerise shrine kitty cat

Yeah but your rates go way down.

Also, $200k household income shouldn't have a house worth more than $700k or so. Effects would be negligible.

And SALT won't' really hurt because $10,000 is still allowed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595242)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 10:58 AM
Author: Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut

just do living in a van, given CA real estate prices.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595252)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:03 AM
Author: fiercely-loyal mexican

if this passes as is those prices will move

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595325)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:06 AM
Author: Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut

that will really please all those GOP blue state voters whose wives are selling real estate on the side.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595360)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:07 AM
Author: fiercely-loyal mexican

this or open borders

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595367)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:10 AM
Author: Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut

i think blue state GOP care a lot more about this shit than the racial politics that drives the more extreme elements of the right. they are not 4chan chuds.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595401)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 10:57 AM
Author: Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut

and when those voters, who wrongly consider themselves "middle class," see they are paying higher taxes while "the rich" are getting massive tax cuts, they will be pissed. i don't get how the GOP doesn't get the optics of this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595243)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 10:59 AM
Author: cerise shrine kitty cat

BECAUSE THEY WON'T BE PAYING HIGHER TAXES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595262)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:01 AM
Author: Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut

i don't think anyone can say with confidence how this will all play out given that the bill is going to change a TON before (and if) it becomes law. but on balance UMC are getting fucked and that's bad for GOP, especially given that the wealthy are going to make out like bandits.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595295)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:13 AM
Author: cerise shrine kitty cat

The middle class people you are talking about won't be hurt.

The 2% will.

Libs are completely out of touch.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595425)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:14 AM
Author: Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut

these people are a lot of my family and friends. feel pretty comfortable with my analysis. time will tell.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595432)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:52 AM
Author: irate gunner goal in life

You literally think the majority of people are making 200k+

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595745)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:13 AM
Author: odious aqua national

“The rich” pay so goddamn much of the income tax it would really hard to cut taxes only on the MC

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595427)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:00 AM
Author: Soul-stirring bespoke institution goyim

i hope you're right, but please show your work for a family making $350k in a $1.5m house with a $1.2m mortgage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595292)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 10:56 AM
Author: Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut

yep. and if you think the average suburban voter is going to blame state politics for getting fucked on this, you're insane. this will just be another reason for dem voters to hate the GOP, and a plausible reason for pocketbook voters to support dem candidates in red pockets of blue states. the average voter isn't going to process this as anything other than an increase in their taxes. and, to be fair, that is what it is.

i have a hard time seeing this getting out of the senate as drafted. and i think you'll see a lot of defections from GOP reps in blue states, because they will see the implications of this on their reelection bids.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595232)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 10:58 AM
Author: cerise shrine kitty cat

How dumb are you?

This is a tax increase on the top 2% in shitlib states.

The average voter is helped by this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595251)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 10:59 AM
Author: Aromatic balding garrison

the average suburban voter in NY/CA are UMC

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595267)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:00 AM
Author: cerise shrine kitty cat

you are very low IQ.

You said average voter originally. Nice edit.

Now you are talking about average suburban voter in NY/CA who would never vote Trump anyway. This isn't anything close to the "average voter"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595282)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:01 AM
Author: Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut

hey dumbass, UMC suburban voters are the reason there are GOP reps from blue states.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595304)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:05 AM
Author: cerise shrine kitty cat

Eh they have become pretty fucking shitlib lately.

It's the uber rich and middle class that vote GOP in those states.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595350)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:10 AM
Author: Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut

*leans into microphone*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595406)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:14 AM
Author: cerise shrine kitty cat

*grabs your head and gives you a noogie*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595430)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:02 AM
Author: Aromatic balding garrison

you're responding to the wrong guy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595313)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 10:59 AM
Author: Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut

i'm not a strong opponent of addressing this deduction. but the "average voter" in blue states won't be affected by this and isn't shifting to the GOP because of this bill. the GOP has a strong constituency of UMC suburban voters in blue states that will get hurt by this, and they will be pissed. there is a reason the GOP reps from blue states are pissing themselves about this provision.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595276)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:00 AM
Author: adventurous bonkers alpha legal warrant

you are wrong about any pocket book voters switching to dems. not going to happen when they know that dems are much much worse on taxes. also this is painful for a narrow band of people - people making 300K~700K. below 300K you might lose a little bit but not so much that you are going to seriously notice it. and these people would be educated enough to know about dems and also will have other concerns (immigration, guns, free speec etc) to switch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595288)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:05 AM
Author: Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut

guess we'll see, brother. i don't think the average UMC suburban voter is primarily driven by immigration and guns in blue states. a lot of them are pro-choice and moderate on social issues, but just want "government to balance their checkbook" and "keep them safe."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595354)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:17 AM
Author: adventurous bonkers alpha legal warrant

you must have been sleeping through 2016 election cycle. the only way these people will switch is if the economy tanks.

identity politics is here to stay however much you pray against it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595464)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:54 AM
Author: irate gunner goal in life

No you don’t get it, they’re going to vote dem for a tax cut

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595759)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 2:58 PM
Author: Provocative rose pit dysfunction

and war is peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34597141)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:01 AM
Author: Ebony Market

Are libs honestly going to vote against any form of a middle class tax cut? You guys are the blind leading the blind, suddenly concerned about how we can pay for these tax cuts for the middle class, lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595297)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:03 AM
Author: Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut

as UMC i should be paying higher taxes. i just think this is a dumb, poorly thought out bill that will primarily fuck UMC people, have little impact on the actual poor and middle class, and give a huge boon to the wealthy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595328)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:08 AM
Author: Ebony Market

Any income tax cut to the lower and middle tiers necessarily causes benefits up the progressive chain. “Huge boon” to the truly wealthy is a red herring because they are sheltered to an extreme. You want to transfer wealth? Here son, take this Picasso and hang it on your wall. Why not take a tax break that matters to working stiffs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595375)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:13 AM
Author: Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut

totally agree. putting money and benefits in the hands of the poor and middle class is great because they spend everything while the rich hoard their wealth. if you're looking for a guy to say we should work harder to fuck the wealthy and redistribute wealth down the food chain, i'm you're man. but i don't think this tax cut bill does any of that and the net benefit to the people who should have lower tax burdens (and more benefits) is minimal in proportion to the benefit received by the people that have hoarded wealth and created this hellworld of astronomical productivity gains and stagnant to declining wages and opportunity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595426)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:01 AM
Author: irradiated walnut ticket booth filthpig

I thought Libs love higher taxes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595300)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:04 AM
Author: Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut

Yeah, I support higher taxes. My point is this seems like dumb politics from the GOP.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595338)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:08 AM
Author: cerise shrine kitty cat

Fuckingn over people that don't vote for them anyway?

Uh no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595376)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:15 AM
Author: Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut

whatever you say champ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595438)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:35 AM
Author: irate gunner goal in life

And we all know liberals experts on what is and isn’t good strategy for the GOP.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595634)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:36 AM
Author: Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut

game recognize game. there are plenty of GOP pols i loathe but think are smart at playing the game. the current leadership are not among them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595641)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:42 AM
Author: irate gunner goal in life

I’m saying Libs don’t have any game so wouldn’t be able to recognize it. Current GOP leadership won house, senate and state governorships

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595677)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:43 AM
Author: Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut

If you're looking for someone to argue the Dems are good at running a political party, you're barking up the wrong tree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595687)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:46 AM
Author: irate gunner goal in life

I’m just confused why you’re so arrogant re: your analysis. What have you accurately predicted

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595704)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 12:01 PM
Author: Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut

breaking: dude on xo is arrogant about his opinions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595807)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 10:55 AM
Author: Learning disabled amber azn chapel

How exactly?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595220)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 10:59 AM
Author: cerise shrine kitty cat

SALT deductions gone over $10,000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595268)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:02 AM
Author: Soul-stirring bespoke institution goyim

only property taxes to $10k. no state income taxes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595317)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:14 AM
Author: cerise shrine kitty cat

That was the plan but haven't seen anything definitive.

Some articles have said its both

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595435)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:47 AM
Author: Exciting buck-toothed school boiling water

pretty sure it's just prop taxes - i think the articles that say otherwise are probably written by dumbs who misinterpret other articles that label the current proposal as " state and local property taxes" etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595708)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:00 AM
Author: Spectacular Boistinker Community Account

Tax plan adds 1.5 trillion dollars in debt over ten years. GOP has made no serious effort at spending control. But keep talking about dem programs!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595283)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:01 AM
Author: cerise shrine kitty cat

link to adding to debt?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595302)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:08 AM
Author: Spectacular Boistinker Community Account

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/353097-senate-unveils-2018-budget-resolution

The budget would allow the tax reform package to increase the deficit by $1.5 trillion over a decade, though some Republicans argue this would not be the case because of gains from the economy.

‪ http://www.crfb.org/blogs/tax-cut-and-jobs-act-will-cost-15-trillion‬

Of the $1.5 trillion cost, roughly $1 trillion comes from business tax cuts. Individual tax cuts make up another $300 billion, and the ultimate repeal of the estate tax accounts for the remaining $200 billion.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595382)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 3:01 PM
Author: Provocative rose pit dysfunction

funny how libs thought dynamic scoring was totally appropriate for evaluating the ACA but not for tax reform

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34597165)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:03 AM
Author: Ebony Market

Yeah libs are honestly concerned about the commonweal. Give me a break.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595323)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:09 AM
Author: Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut

deficit hawking is so stupid. we aren't on the gold standard, and the "deficit" is basically just a measure of how much inflation we'd have to endure to pay all our bills overnight. and we don't need taxes to pay for government spending either now that we're off the gold standard either. taxes are basically just a way to drive demand for currency and control money supply when all is said and done.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595389)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:31 AM
Author: impressive wonderful faggotry space

deficits matter, and any attempt to dismiss them is garbage

the proper defense here is that that deficit is going to get run up, if not by Rs than Ds. so we're in a super defective game where both parties just have to race to max out the credit card before the other one gets its hands on it.

on that basis, I'd rather see the card get maxed out on modest improvements to the tax code than paying for some grand high-speed rail project that runs directly from the capitol building to diane feinsteins house or whatever stupid garbage libs dream of blowing money on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595610)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:34 AM
Author: Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut

there is a hypothetical "deficit" that matters but we're not even close to it yet, and you don't really address my point that there is not such thing as a "deficit" when all the bills are paid with money printed by the payor. deficits only matter to the extent they represent potential long-term inflation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595626)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:32 AM
Author: Spectacular Boistinker Community Account

It matters because in order to pass senate with 51 votes, they need deficit in year 11 to be zero. The official estimates put out by congress yesterday has a deficit of 150 billion in year 10, so this can't pass the senate without significant changes (easiest would be end tax breaks at 10 years, but good luck with that). I don't know if they could go "nuclear" on the Byrd rule though; I imagine they'd be wary of giving the dems that power.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595617)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:34 AM
Author: Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut

i get the politics of it. i'm making a different point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595631)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 8:35 PM
Author: Excitant rigpig round eye

legit made me think of things in a new light.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34599422)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:08 AM
Author: Aromatic balding garrison

How are the super wealthy affected by this plan?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595386)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:11 AM
Author: swashbuckling silver elastic band laser beams

It looks like a modest screwing of blue state umc's for a modest tax cut for other umc's. According to bloomberg this morning the bottom 35% of households would see no gains, and the big winners would be c-corp entities that previously had high effective rates. Peter King (GOP rep from Long Island) already came out against it. I think enough blue-state GOP congressman will ultimately vote against it to kill it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595408)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:15 AM
Author: Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595442)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:15 AM
Author: cerise shrine kitty cat

How did they calculate that the bottom 35% would receive no gains?

I'm sure they are fudging the math.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595446)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:18 AM
Author: Spectacular Boistinker Community Account

If you pay no income taxes (as opposed to payroll taxes) you won't receive a benefit because I don't think any of the new credits are refundable (I.e. Wont get you a negative income tax rate).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595475)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:30 AM
Author: cerise shrine kitty cat

Oh so it's people that already don't pay income tax not receiving even more welfare.

I think we can all be okay with that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595601)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:32 AM
Author: irate gunner goal in life

Not all of us apparently...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595616)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:31 AM
Author: Ebony Market

Likely false. Increased standard deduction with no change to earned income credit = benefit increase to low income people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595612)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:36 AM
Author: Obsidian Codepig

elimination of personal exemptions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595643)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:43 AM
Author: Ebony Market

Apologies. For a family of four, it works. For refugees with 8 kids, it may not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595691)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:37 AM
Author: Spectacular Boistinker Community Account

But they are eliminating personal exemptions so that cancels out the standard deduction to some extent. And how would that benefit people paying no taxes? (Not saying they need more money, but they are in the bottom 35 percent).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595651)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:19 AM
Author: Ebony Market

This false premise is the libs’ excuse not to support the proposed tax cut plan that benefits everyone but a handful of UMC in Cali and NY.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595484)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:15 AM
Author: puce stage

cr couldn't imagine the GOP voting against the interests of UMC coastal shitlibs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595447)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:20 AM
Author: Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut

reminder: the right wing of the GOP is driving the bus, but they aren't the only people riding on it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595492)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:33 AM
Author: irate gunner goal in life

You don’t think Ryan has looked at this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595622)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:39 AM
Author: Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut

sure, but he is teetering on the bring of losing leadership and maybe his seat. the right wing is running shit in the house.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595662)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:40 AM
Author: irate gunner goal in life

And you don’t think they’re going to like estate tax elimination and sweeping tax curs for the middle class? Wealth tax on the Ivy League. Higher taxes on NY and CA Libs. This works out great for Texas. I’m pretty far right and love this. What do you think the issue will be?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595670)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:42 AM
Author: Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut

the GOP loses power if it loses seats in blue states, and the bill will have a really fucking hard time passing the senate as currently formulated. if this thing passed as currently formulated, i think it would be a net negative for the GOP in 2018 and 2020. so by all means, pass it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595684)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:44 AM
Author: irate gunner goal in life

I don’t think higher taxes on top 10% earners is going to cost them anything

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595693)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:46 AM
Author: Maize Massive Stag Film Juggernaut

ok

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595706)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:48 AM
Author: irate gunner goal in life

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595717)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:19 AM
Author: adventurous bonkers alpha legal warrant

they will tweak and adjust it to get it to pass. that would be my guess

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595482)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:31 AM
Author: irate gunner goal in life

you must Be flame. Everything you say is dishonest. Bottom 35% of households are welfare beneficiaries and of course pay nothing in taxes. Be sure to point that out next time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595611)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:34 AM
Author: cerise shrine kitty cat

Libs are always like this.

They call a reduction in welfare a "tax increase" on poors. LMAO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595628)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:34 AM
Author: Ebony Market

Likely worse than that. Increased standard deduction means lower agi and more eic. So not only do they not pay already, in many cases, they’ll get more welfare/wealth redistribution.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595632)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 2:52 PM
Author: Salmon theater stage

and right on cue to talk out of your ass

yep, doubling the standard deduction only benefits the top 1% and has no impact on the middle class.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34597102)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:11 AM
Author: Red low-t temple cuck

WA bros come out pretty good

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595414)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:21 AM
Author: Spectacular Boistinker Community Account

Yeah, and Texas too. I'd be surprised if SALT stays property tax only though. A cap makes sense, but picking one form of taxation is dumb (although I get why they did it).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595502)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:24 AM
Author: Soul-stirring bespoke institution goyim

why?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595541)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:28 AM
Author: Spectacular Boistinker Community Account

Narrowly targets trump area of New York (Long Island, upstate) which have high property taxes, while screwing renters in NYC (who pay a local income tax but no direct property taxes). Also benefits Texas which has high property taxes but no state income tax. Can you guess where the chairman of ways and means is from?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595586)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:31 AM
Author: fiercely-loyal mexican

coming down hard on property tax and mortgage interest would have too much impact on housing market. this as is will still impact housing market in high COL areas (and in higher end market of not high COL areas) but taking away all housing gimmes at once might be disastrous.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595608)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:34 AM
Author: Spectacular Boistinker Community Account

Home builders and realtors still hate the law. This is trying to buy off people like Chris Collins in New York and Tom McArthur in New Jersey.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595630)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 5:43 PM
Author: Razzmatazz resort

It won't work without state taxes being deductible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34598171)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:30 AM
Author: cerise shrine kitty cat

It is extremely dumb. Is there any justification besides helping high property tax states?

States with no property tax at state level will just move to that from income tax

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595604)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 11:25 AM
Author: contagious boltzmann nowag

It seems fine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34595547)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 5:56 PM
Author: Multi-colored bawdyhouse

I have gotten zero credit for property taxes since I have been an AMT payer.

Explain how this helps or fucks me? I know zero about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34598286)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 6:20 PM
Author: Maroon stain hall

Wrong. Gives high tax blue states an incentive to lower state taxes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34598488)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 6:22 PM
Author: Provocative rose pit dysfunction

yeah im sure jerry brown will get right on that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34598495)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 8:36 PM
Author: Nofapping big heaven

cr, ljl at the California legislature ever approving that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34599426)



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Date: November 3rd, 2017 8:43 PM
Author: Provocative rose pit dysfunction

theyre the most insane people in the country

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34599475)



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Date: November 5th, 2017 12:43 AM
Author: Exhilarant snowy spot

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34607040)



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Date: November 5th, 2017 12:40 AM
Author: Exhilarant snowy spot

This is the best part of a pretty mediocre bill.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3784264&forum_id=2#34607025)