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Poast new message in this thread
Date: November 10th, 2017 6:13 PM Author: Garnet Casino Newt
You may not repoast other people's pics or outting material including names, links to articles, or enough details to positively identify someone without their express permission, and that permission can be revoked.
Please exercise caution in poasting material you would not like repoasted by assholes. This is the Internet, after all. You can't control people absolutely.
Also, mods need to set a good example and be particularly cautious about sharing info that could be used to harass them. Part of being a mod is getting fucked with by anyone who knows they can get a rise out of you. They will intentionally put you in a position where you feel you have to use your mod powers for something relating to you, and then you will look bad. It makes me look bad, too.
I hate rules, but I guess this needed to be addressed.
Thoughts?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792748&forum_id=2#34657273) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 6:16 PM Author: Pearly Property
*diamond cuts u*
Nothing to see here boys, continue poasting shrewlia's fake lopsided tits with reckless abandon.
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANG!!!!!!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792748&forum_id=2#34657301) |
Date: November 10th, 2017 6:28 PM Author: red liquid oxygen
180 Rach
Outting drives people away and creates a negative, hostile atmosphere that causes us to lose poasters
"no outting, period" should be the one and ONLY rule here
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792748&forum_id=2#34657380)
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Date: November 10th, 2017 6:29 PM Author: Big yellow trailer park
sounds like a good line
hypo: a set of tits is poked and is displayed from the neck down. Does this violate the rule?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792748&forum_id=2#34657387) |
Date: November 10th, 2017 6:29 PM Author: charismatic mischievous native
if someone posts shit of their own volition it should be fair game. Just because we value privacy doesn't mean it should be a safe space for attention whores
Stuff like RSFs brother spam is different
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Date: November 10th, 2017 6:45 PM Author: Garnet Casino Newt
I actually agree with that.
But I also believe people make mistakes, and they shouldn't be punished for them forever.
Hell, I give spammers a second chance after banning them. Why shouldn't I give decent poasters a chance to regain their privacy after they give away too much about themselves?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792748&forum_id=2#34657537) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 6:38 PM Author: Garnet Casino Newt
That's always been my theory - that protections are lifted when you voluntarily reveal yourself, because I want to discourage people from compromising themselves. It's the Pandora's box theory, cat-out-of-the-bag theory, etc.. But I also don't want to say that if someone does poast something private in a lapse of judgment or whatever it may be, they've forfeited their right to privacy forever. That could create a chilling effect.
The penalty for revealing something to the public is that it's out there, and it could be brought up again. But I don't want to condone repoasting it repeatedly, either, and say that it's only a violation if it's spam.
You shouldn't poast info you don't want to be out there in the general "group mind." I'll do my best to keep things from being repoasted, but I can't guarantee anything. And if you keep enabling it by continually revealing too much, I can guarantee less of an effort to protect your privacy.
Does that sound reasonable?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792748&forum_id=2#34657477) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 7:32 PM Author: amber thirsty gas station skinny woman
No of course it's not a good idea, but either is discouraging personal responsibility. This is a pro-free speech, unmoderated board and with that comes a heightened assumption of risk by participants.
look I get that you're just trying to do the right thing and the "victims" of bad judgment are usually fempoasters who we collectively decided for some reason that we value having around.
but i think the spam rule covers it already. Most repoasts are being spammed rather than just a sporadic link posted by request
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792748&forum_id=2#34657869) |
Date: November 10th, 2017 6:38 PM Author: useless corner lettuce
The repoast photos thread was creepy and fucked up, but this amendment is pure faggotry.
It totally contravenes the spirit of this place. It is extremely misguided to give these fucking people the incentive to attention whore by granting them some special right to "revoke" permission to discuss whatever they've voluntarily poasted.
Desiring the bort's attention comes with consequences -- that's always been the way this place has always been and it's what sets us apart from every other cesspool on the internet.
This place resembles Reddit more and more every fucking day.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792748&forum_id=2#34657471) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 6:39 PM Author: Garnet Casino Newt
Read what I said above.
I'm going to make less of an effort if someone knowingly violates this and expects privacy.
I actually agree with what you're saying about the spirit of this place.
I'm just saying that people have lapses of judgment and I don't want to punish them for it.
And yes, the photo thread is what prompted me to say anything.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792748&forum_id=2#34657491) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 6:42 PM Author: useless corner lettuce
>>> enough details to positively identify someone without their express permission, and that permission can be revoked.
This might sound good in the abstract, but it's disastrous in practice when you choose someone like 29 to implement it.
RSF's 60-ounce brother thread doesn't come anywhere close to "positive identification" . . . and yet.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792748&forum_id=2#34657503) |
Date: November 10th, 2017 6:39 PM Author: Vigorous site selfie
Do we have a quorum? How do the male, able-monikered posters vote?
Yea
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792748&forum_id=2#34657486) |
Date: November 10th, 2017 6:39 PM Author: red liquid oxygen
so basically this rule is just: dont poast outting info about others, even if they have in the past outted themselves
bit of advice for everyone: stop sharing pics and information youre not comfortable with everyone seeing. dont attention whore if you dont want to be spammed or harassed.
if everyone uses their brains and stops outting each other and also stops poasting personal info about themselves, we'll stop having these dramatic meltdowns and stop losing poasters to outting retirements
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792748&forum_id=2#34657488) |
Date: November 10th, 2017 7:11 PM Author: chest-beating principal's office dingle berry
gotta say, not a fan of this amendment. the prior rule was clear, unambiguous and fair. posters were entirely in control of whether they outted themselves. this seems like an unnecessary concession to 'teehee' attention whores who want the spotlight but none of the consequences.
i could get behind banning huge archive threads of pictures like the one from yesterday, but in general the amendment seems unnecessary.
anyway, your board, ill continue to post here, but those are my two cents
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792748&forum_id=2#34657713) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 7:18 PM Author: Garnet Casino Newt
Julia's an example of someone who was trying to draw attention to herself. She meant to use a sock puppet and fucked up.
I still try to remove her name when I see it on the board, but this is an example of someone where the cat's out of the bag.
I hate gray areas, but again, I don't want to punish people who say or share something once or twice without thinking.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792748&forum_id=2#34657759) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 7:51 PM Author: Garnet Casino Newt
I always value your opinion
I don't see how it benefits the board to encourage threads like yesterday's. Why do you think it does? It drives people away.
I'm going to review mod logs.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792748&forum_id=2#34658025) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 7:56 PM Author: floppy crackhouse windowlicker
I view the pic thing as secondary to mods deleting stuff. From what I saw/understand of last night, the spamming started after she started abusing her mod power
Think about it this way -
Whats the worst case scenario if your pic (that you posted in the first place) is posted? Paosters won't post their own pics (not a huge deal), or an outed person might leave (sucks for that person - but they poa their pic in the first place, which means they like attention, which means they probably wont leave). Even if they leave, you lost 1 person. The bort can survive the loss of any one poa, it's hapepned time and time again.
Whats the worst case scenario with rogue mods? Many people will leave/stop poasting entirely. Far worse for the greatbort.
Of course we are, as always, in your debt and you are the captain.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792748&forum_id=2#34658054) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 8:02 PM Author: Garnet Casino Newt
I put 29tp in a position she didn't ask for. I think she's a high-quality poaster and I figured it would be good to have some mod coverage on the other side of the globe.
In a way, it's my fault for putting her in that position. She didn't seek out the mod powers.
I'll spend some time reviewing mod activity over the past month. Maybe part of being a mod is not having too much info about yourself out there, so you can't be compromised or poked or prodded.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792748&forum_id=2#34658101) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 8:04 PM Author: Grizzly Codepig Dilemma
Aside from deleting some RSF stuff which is in line with past precedent, though unfortunately not in concordance with the rules, she's been a perfectly fine mod.
Don't listen to these weird guys.
Hopefully she stays on board.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792748&forum_id=2#34658116) |
Date: November 10th, 2017 8:07 PM Author: crystalline round eye
This seems overbroad. Posting a public photo of a person, and claiming it is XYZ poster (even without providing a name), should be a moddable offense. But simply resharing a private photo the poster already shared, imo, shouldn't be moddable. Basically, that's the cost of doing business on the board. You can delete content, but you can't "revoke" it.
I understand the impulse but bad modding culture always starts with vague rules that can be interpreted in increasingly restrictive ways. I think this standard could be abused to allow for a LOT of modding, and like non sequitur above I think over-the-top shitmodding hurts the board more than the occasional outing/collective ridicule of individual posters.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792748&forum_id=2#34658136) |
Date: November 10th, 2017 8:27 PM Author: sinister metal piazza mood
1) rach, you're great, but from what i can tell you're letting your feelings get in the way of good judgment here. you feel bad for 29. she's obviously upset over this. i think it's unfortunate that she feels bad too. but even you seem to acknowledge that this new "rule" is a deviation from what has always been presumed and established precedent. 29 made poor judgment to post pics and very unwisely assumed that they would be kept under wraps/that she would still have control over them. it sucks but that's ultimately what it is. don't backtrack just because it sucks that someone got bad feelings over it. she made poor judgment, she's just got to learn to live with it. and ultimately it really isn't a big deal.
it might be nice if posters were "considerate" and didn't repost them excessively against her will but as long as they're not being spammed then all it is is a violation of being considerate, not a violation of rules. and the spam rule covers spamming her photo anyways.
b) she's convinced you that this has all happened because she suddenly became a mod. this really isn't true and she's just making herself out to be a victim. she has always played the "teehee i'm such a tease" character, more so recently. it was inevitable that someone would make a big deal of her pics being posted once they got their hands on them. that time just happened to be this time.
don't let her make you believe that this is just about posters out to get her for being a mod. she loved the attention she got and just pushed the envelope a little too far.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792748&forum_id=2#34658285) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:48 PM Author: Garnet Casino Newt
Believe it or not, she never contacted me about this.
I felt like something needed to be said after the thread with all the imgur repoastings.
I have to admit I enjoyed that thread. I can still view it for my own pleasure.
But I know how many people have retired over the years because of fear of outing. With the old archives being merged, it's especially important to me to discourage people from repoasting other people's shit.
I'm still thinking about all of this and I wanted everyone to weigh in.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792748&forum_id=2#34658820) |
Date: November 10th, 2017 9:21 PM Author: Nubile citrine gay wizard locale
Seems pretty vague
Also you're going to have no recourse over content shared on XO-affiliated sites like /r/xoxohth and Tinychat, so why even try?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792748&forum_id=2#34658617) |
Date: November 10th, 2017 10:26 PM Author: Garnet Casino Newt
An aside. I really despise rules, I've spent many years of my life trying to defy or subvert them wherever possible in my life. I don't want to impose too many rules in anything I'm connected to.
For almost 14 years, there's been a no-outing rule and it's sacred to this place. Don't repoast other people's personal details or info. Don't poast people's names. But if you make yourself into a board celebrity, understand what comes with celebrity. Sometimes it's a loss of privacy.
I can't figure out how to define this without some gray area. What's most important is that the only people who have the ability to hide poasts and delete threads are people who understand that gray area, and mod selectively and sparingly. I'll work on making sure mods don't overreach and I'm going to audit the mod records from the past month.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792748&forum_id=2#34659089) |
Date: November 10th, 2017 11:43 PM Author: Razzmatazz olive really tough guy library
180.
Xo scholars will need to update their bylaw book accordingly.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792748&forum_id=2#34659655) |
Date: November 13th, 2017 3:50 PM Author: Fragrant infuriating place of business
1) Mods need to be fucking controlled. There should be no deleting of threads entirely unless the thread has banned info in the thread title. And if the thread is long enough to have content, mods should ask you to change the thread title instead of deleting. Keeping stuff in the garbage board is fine, but 29tp should not be deleting long threads because she does not like that her photo is being posted in those threads.
2) I disagree as to the permanent right to revoke you own outing information. I think people should not download and host outing information elsewhere, nor share outing information that came from ape detective work, but if I post a fucking imgur of myself or my dog, I expect people so see it.
3) I don't see why RSF brother threads get the protection they do. I think it's shitty and I would not tease someone about that, but knowledge that his brother is dead does not make him any more outable at all, unless you already know his name. It's shitty but it should not defy any law I can think of. It's like saying "Benzo was arrested in 2011 for larceny - lol @ him" - but it's not like posting the actual police report.
4) I really wish you would confirm the rule against posting spoilers of recent movies, pop culture things. Unlike spam, n-threads, or even petty fights, the only think that is accomplished by posting spoilers is to be a shithead and ruin people's experiences on the board - and drive away traffic.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792748&forum_id=2#34677631) |
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