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Explain to me again why a "Flat Tax" is unfair? Thank

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Would be horribly regressive to low income earners.
odious lake sanctuary
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yeah, no. try again.
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charismatic confused base digit ratio
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As compared to the current system, any amount of tax paid wo...
odious lake sanctuary
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I agree. But why do 46% of Americans pay ZERO federal taxes?
charismatic confused base digit ratio
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Because somebody thought it was a good idea to let non-lando...
odious lake sanctuary
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It's not like they actually vote anyway.
charismatic confused base digit ratio
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TBF, income taxes brother. Not all federal taxes.
glittery buck-toothed dragon
  11/21/17
yes... why do 46% of Americans not pay federal income taxes...
charismatic confused base digit ratio
  11/21/17
that's a misuse of the term. when your car slows down you a...
citrine bossy dopamine clown
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I provided a standard shitlib response for entertainment pur...
odious lake sanctuary
  11/21/17
fair enough on your first point but why bring up a consumpt...
citrine bossy dopamine clown
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It’s communism, you are taking from each as they can.
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I’d support it. But I always lulz when my libertarian friend...
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"What do you mean college expenses, mortgages, food, ut...
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no, it wouldn't.
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lol, just, lol
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(dumbass)
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Google "marginal utility."
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Lol cr lol at this libertariantard
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That assumes that everyone has the same income/wealth utilit...
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Utility monster arguments are sps little bro
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I'm not taking it that far. It is entirely plausible, for ex...
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IF you believe in an income tax, THEN that tax should tax la...
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Everyone needs skin in the game. Even someone making $20k sh...
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Yeah, that's absurd. Not even worth the time to fill out the...
Razzle snowy national security agency stain
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The IRS doesn't look at like 95% of tax forms. It's all comp...
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It's too easy to spend OPM. Everyone contributes
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What is the benefit of this "everyone contributes"...
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agency. agency leads to pride. pride leads to ego. ego lead...
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Do you think today's 30k earners have "agency"? Th...
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its not unfair but impractical there is no good flat tax ...
Tan wrinkle philosopher-king
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bullshit the flat tax should apply to corporations, too bu...
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as you earn more money, it's used less for necessities and m...
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But, I want poor people to starve and die.
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one mans necessity is another mans vanity. i mean most of wh...
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Yes, and that's exactly why the middle class is taxed more t...
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Do you see what poors buy? This is not the Congo. Poors are ...
beady-eyed orchid school
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Again, if umc guy derives 100 utils from each $100 golf club...
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Our tax system, whether current or proposed, has nothing to ...
beady-eyed orchid school
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A strawman exists when I characterize your position weakly s...
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leans into mic what fucks poors, if anything, are the incen...
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That's fine, but we can just talk about empirical/realized t...
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Taxes should, ideally, reflect a roughly equal burden on all...
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What about the bottom that pays nothing and just votes thems...
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We have lamentably created a welfare state where many pay ef...
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Flame jumped the shark here
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Brother, you seem confused.
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Well they should pay something.
Chest-beating Hominid
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nobody is supporting a welfare state ITT. opposition to flat...
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My point is if you oppose the flat tax in favour of what we ...
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there is nothing more equal than a flat tax congratulations...
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as long as there is... spouts bullshit that runs counter to...
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*gets paid 80k in stock options* One weird trick hehe
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Date: November 17th, 2017 5:25 PM
Author: charismatic confused base digit ratio



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Date: November 19th, 2017 4:32 AM
Author: charismatic confused base digit ratio



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Date: November 19th, 2017 6:14 AM
Author: effete saffron university place of business

DAT ability to pay

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Date: November 19th, 2017 7:21 AM
Author: coiffed slate personal credit line

High-earners end up paying a disproportionately high amount in absolute terms

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Date: November 21st, 2017 12:12 PM
Author: charismatic confused base digit ratio

LOL

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Date: November 21st, 2017 12:14 PM
Author: excitant ratface

lol

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Date: November 21st, 2017 12:19 PM
Author: Sexy Impertinent Hospital



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Date: November 21st, 2017 1:30 PM
Author: slippery gold garrison boltzmann



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Date: November 21st, 2017 8:59 PM
Author: Vivacious fortuitous meteor



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:09 PM
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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:07 PM
Author: Laughsome hyperactive laser beams



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:21 PM
Author: clear mad cow disease



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Date: November 19th, 2017 8:45 AM
Author: Exciting Candlestick Maker Tanning Salon

FAIR SHARE FAIR SHARE FAIR SHARE

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Date: November 21st, 2017 12:15 PM
Author: odious lake sanctuary

Would be horribly regressive to low income earners.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34739633)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 1:24 PM
Author: citrine bossy dopamine clown

yeah, no. try again.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34740165)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 1:40 PM
Author: charismatic confused base digit ratio



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Date: November 21st, 2017 1:59 PM
Author: odious lake sanctuary

As compared to the current system, any amount of tax paid would necessarily be considered horribly regressive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34740469)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:17 PM
Author: charismatic confused base digit ratio

I agree. But why do 46% of Americans pay ZERO federal taxes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34740577)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:22 PM
Author: odious lake sanctuary

Because somebody thought it was a good idea to let non-landowners vote?

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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:25 PM
Author: charismatic confused base digit ratio

It's not like they actually vote anyway.

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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:22 PM
Author: glittery buck-toothed dragon

TBF, income taxes brother. Not all federal taxes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34740616)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:24 PM
Author: charismatic confused base digit ratio

yes... why do 46% of Americans not pay federal income taxes?

I feel like economic theories are all bullshit fraudlie$.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34740640)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:33 PM
Author: citrine bossy dopamine clown

that's a misuse of the term.

when your car slows down you aren't going horribly in reverse

less progressive =/= regressive

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34740710)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 3:12 PM
Author: odious lake sanctuary

I provided a standard shitlib response for entertainment purposes only.

Notwithstanding the foregoing, the Hall-Rabushka tax would be highly regressive, in part because high-income households tend to consume less of their income than lower-income households and because investment income would not be taxed (or rather double-taxed).



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Date: November 21st, 2017 3:21 PM
Author: citrine bossy dopamine clown

fair enough on your first point

but why bring up a consumption tax when we are talking about income tax? and just because 'tend' exists, a flat tax on consumption is still a flat tax.

investment income should be taxed as income. it is income. that aspect of hall rabushka is fairly considered regressive because it treats different types of income differently, by definition, to the wealthier peoples' benefits



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Date: November 21st, 2017 12:15 PM
Author: Insanely Creepy Fighting Theatre Factory Reset Button

It’s communism, you are taking from each as they can.

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Date: November 21st, 2017 12:22 PM
Author: Carnelian multi-colored indian lodge roast beef

I’d support it. But I always lulz when my libertarian friends making like $100k poast about how great it would be on Facebook. These are dudes with SAHM wives, kids, and mortgages. A flat tax would absolutely fuck them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34739669)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 1:19 PM
Author: Bateful tattoo

"What do you mean college expenses, mortgages, food, utilities, and car payments are consumption?! How am I supposed to live if I have to pay taxes on all of that?!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34740107)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 1:25 PM
Author: citrine bossy dopamine clown

no, it wouldn't.



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Date: November 21st, 2017 1:40 PM
Author: Carnelian multi-colored indian lodge roast beef

lol, just, lol

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Date: November 21st, 2017 1:43 PM
Author: Iridescent stirring scourge upon the earth

(dumbass)

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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:26 PM
Author: Obsidian beta faggot firefighter



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Date: November 21st, 2017 1:39 PM
Author: Amethyst well-lubricated masturbator weed whacker

Google "marginal utility."

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Date: November 21st, 2017 1:42 PM
Author: charismatic confused base digit ratio

He He Hehehehehehehehhehehehehehhehehehehehehhehehehehehe

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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:21 PM
Author: Zippy state cuck

Lol cr lol at this libertariantard

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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:49 PM
Author: beady-eyed orchid school

That assumes that everyone has the same income/wealth utility curve. Which is stupid. What happens if higher income earners have a curve which is parallel but shifted up materially higher vs low income earners? Point being we have no way to measure or asses utility curves between people only within one person so you can never use marginal utility to justify a macro policy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34740866)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 8:59 PM
Author: charismatic confused base digit ratio



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:00 PM
Author: Exciting Candlestick Maker Tanning Salon

Nice to see you going full retard again

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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:10 PM
Author: smoky galvanic genital piercing



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:12 PM
Author: cracking brindle pocket flask nursing home

Lol cr

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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:04 PM
Author: Vibrant misanthropic stage

LMAO

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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:13 PM
Author: cracking brindle pocket flask nursing home

Utility monster arguments are sps little bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744448)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:50 PM
Author: beady-eyed orchid school

I'm not taking it that far. It is entirely plausible, for example if taking $200 from a poor just means they can't afford oxy for the next little while vs. taking $200 from a UMC means he isn't gonna enroll his kids in soccer camp.

Let me be clear, I can also formulate many examples going the other way. I just don't like utility arguments like that because unless we are talking about the taking away of basic necessities (we are not) then its a stupid way to approach things.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744697)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:03 PM
Author: Vibrant misanthropic stage



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:04 PM
Author: Razzle snowy national security agency stain

IF you believe in an income tax, THEN that tax should tax labor.

Gains in earnings for high income individual generally does not come from labor. Too often, these individuals gain income from capital, not labor.

Special interests will never let this happen, but tcr tax plan would be 0% up to $150k, ~20% up to 500k, and ~70% thereafter. This stat doesn't get pushed hard enough, but we could have 95% of this country pay jack shit and just tax the fuck out of the super rich. The idea that $60k earners should spend a week doing taxes to write an $8k check is absurd.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744403)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:19 PM
Author: swashbuckling station sneaky criminal

titmfcr.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744479)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:20 PM
Author: Chest-beating Hominid

Everyone needs skin in the game. Even someone making $20k should have to pay $100.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744484)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:33 PM
Author: Razzle snowy national security agency stain

Yeah, that's absurd. Not even worth the time to fill out the form, have the government look things over, and deal with collections of back taxes.

And just LOL at the logic that not having skin in the game, or the threat of a higher rate, stopping someone from earning more. 10 out of 10 people will choose to earn more and pay more under ANY tax code.

I'm a huge Trumpmo and the plan in my OP is tcr populist solution.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744569)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:36 PM
Author: charismatic confused base digit ratio

The IRS doesn't look at like 95% of tax forms. It's all computerized.

That said, I'm purposely being a contrarian faggot in this thread.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744597)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:45 PM
Author: Chest-beating Hominid

It's too easy to spend OPM. Everyone contributes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744659)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:02 PM
Author: Razzle snowy national security agency stain

What is the benefit of this "everyone contributes" mantra? It's a fucking collosal waste of time for all involved. Are you some sort of sadist?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744787)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:18 PM
Author: citrine bossy dopamine clown

agency.

agency leads to pride. pride leads to ego. ego leads to not being worthless.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744949)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:21 PM
Author: Razzle snowy national security agency stain

Do you think today's 30k earners have "agency"? This is preposterous leap of logic and completely separate from the discussion at hand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744966)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:07 PM
Author: Tan wrinkle philosopher-king

its not unfair but impractical

there is no good flat tax rate to use unless you are willing to either destroy the federal govt or the poor/lower middle class people

set it too low to not affect the poor/lower middle class and you wont raise enough revenue. set it too high and you are going to make life miserable for people making < 60K or so

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744428)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:05 PM
Author: citrine bossy dopamine clown

bullshit

the flat tax should apply to corporations, too

but your assertion is bullshit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744812)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:08 PM
Author: Dead Ruby Mad-dog Skullcap Plaza

as you earn more money, it's used less for necessities and more for vanity. It's more of a hardship to take $1 of someone's necessity $ than another's vanity $.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744430)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:09 PM
Author: charismatic confused base digit ratio

But, I want poor people to starve and die.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744437)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:14 PM
Author: cracking brindle pocket flask nursing home



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:10 PM
Author: Tan wrinkle philosopher-king

one mans necessity is another mans vanity. i mean most of what XO bros think as normal stuff (vacations, multiple cars, home improvements) would be considered absolute waste by the poor. So I dont believe in this argument

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744440)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:15 PM
Author: cracking brindle pocket flask nursing home

Yes, and that's exactly why the middle class is taxed more than the poor. Everyone gets taxed the same on the first 15k so they can rent a house. If you make 30k, the next 15k is taxed more because you're gonna buy luxuries with it (extra clothes, nicer food).

If you're arguing that middle-class guy X values tshirts more highly than poor guy Y values a house, you're making cgm's argument above, to which the government says I don't care. If rich guy Z values everything more highly than everyone else he doesn't just get everything, because that's not fair. Those are arguments against the utility monster.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744457)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:15 PM
Author: beady-eyed orchid school

Do you see what poors buy? This is not the Congo. Poors are buying useless shit not necessities.

what you are effectively saying is that there is more "use" for a poor dood to buy a bag of chips every week vs. a UMC dood buying a golf club. I don't see how you can actually confidently say this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744460)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:27 PM
Author: cracking brindle pocket flask nursing home

Again, if umc guy derives 100 utils from each $100 golf club and poor guy derives .5 utils from each $1 bag of chips, it would be more efficient for all the poor people to starve and for umc dudes to have 1000 golf clubs each.

But we make sure people have money for food (by taxing lower incomes less) because they need to eat, even if it's not efficient

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744526)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:45 PM
Author: beady-eyed orchid school

Our tax system, whether current or proposed, has nothing to do with whether or not poors eat. That is a strawman. Any alternative tax protocol that could realistically be introduced in the US would, at worst, bite into the massive degree of frivolous spending that poors do and not their basic necessities.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744660)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:50 PM
Author: cracking brindle pocket flask nursing home

A strawman exists when I characterize your position weakly so I can refute it easily. I don't see how I've done that.

And I don't at all see how that would be the case. With a flat marginal rate inequality will widen and disproportionately fuck the poors. I really don't think your obsession with poors buying potato chips is going to lead to an economic revolution. You might consider looking at corporate rents, which is growing faster as a share of the economy than land, capital, labor, etc and is without question a bigger waste of money than laquisha buying a sprite

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744699)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:07 PM
Author: citrine bossy dopamine clown

leans into mic

what fucks poors, if anything, are the incentives and tricks that corporations are permitted to take advantage of to avoid paying full taxes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744838)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:13 PM
Author: cracking brindle pocket flask nursing home

That's fine, but we can just talk about empirical/realized tax rates.

If the corporate rate is 35% but corps weasle it to 25%, and the flat tax is 15% with no friction, then the flat tax is still lower.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744907)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:14 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Native

Taxes should, ideally, reflect a roughly equal burden on all citizens. Taxes on the wealthy should be higher to give them a burden similar to the one felt by middle class taxpayers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744451)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:17 PM
Author: beady-eyed orchid school

What about the bottom that pays nothing and just votes themselves goodies? What is their burden.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744469)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:21 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Native

We have lamentably created a welfare state where many pay effectively nothing. That's a poor argument for creating a flat tax though when America's most damaging social ill is intensifying inequality.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744491)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:34 PM
Author: Exciting Candlestick Maker Tanning Salon

Flame jumped the shark here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744580)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:37 PM
Author: charismatic confused base digit ratio

(With HER)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744603)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:37 PM
Author: Exciting Candlestick Maker Tanning Salon

Brother, you seem confused.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744604)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:22 PM
Author: Chest-beating Hominid

Well they should pay something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744502)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:24 PM
Author: Tan wrinkle philosopher-king

nobody is supporting a welfare state ITT. opposition to flat tax doesn't mean we support a welfare state. i think its possible to oppose both

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744509)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:44 PM
Author: beady-eyed orchid school

My point is if you oppose the flat tax in favour of what we have now, then you must also face the fact that the current system PROMOTES a welfare state. So yea, you can say your against the welfare state, but if you are shooting down alternatives to the "progressive" tax system which allows poors to never face financial consequences for their voting habits, you are propping up the welfare state, even if that is not your intention.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744643)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:09 PM
Author: citrine bossy dopamine clown

there is nothing more equal than a flat tax

congratulations for making burden a euphemism



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744854)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:20 PM
Author: comical site

Chris Rock summed it up best talking about alimony

"if you make 30 million and the bitch want 15, that's fine you ain't starvin. but if you make 30 thousand and the bitch want half, you just might have to kill her!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744487)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:27 PM
Author: charismatic confused base digit ratio



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744530)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:38 PM
Author: Vibrant misanthropic stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744605)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:16 PM
Author: Dead Ruby Mad-dog Skullcap Plaza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744936)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:39 PM
Author: Bright spot hunting ground

i see nothing wrong with crying about the disproportionate share of tax paid by the rich without also mentioning the share of income that accrues to the rich

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744615)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:42 PM
Author: Exciting Candlestick Maker Tanning Salon

I see nothing wrong with crying about the disproportionate share of services consumed by the poor without also mentioning the share of taxes paid by the poor

look, I can’t type stupid tripe just like you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744629)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:57 PM
Author: filthy demanding parlour coldplay fan

As long as there is a rebate/universal basic income, could be workable, though all things in moderation, including simplicity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744748)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:10 PM
Author: citrine bossy dopamine clown

as long as there is...

spouts bullshit that runs counter to the entire point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744867)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:03 PM
Author: Razzle snowy national security agency stain

*gets paid 80k in stock options*

One weird trick hehe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744797)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:27 PM
Author: Dead Ruby Mad-dog Skullcap Plaza

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34745011)