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So love to rub in the prestige and culture of NYC/LA/SF but then act poor?
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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:51 AM Author: Drunken sienna institution *So shitlibs
Tons of complaints that "$300k is nothing in LA!!!" or "$500,000 is lower middle class in NYC" this tax increase is unfair!!
At the same time, they love to constantly brag about the benefits and prestige of living in those cities. In fact, they consider themselves better than you because of where they live.
Seems to me that those benefits should be accounted for when judging the cost of living in relation to an income amount. Living in Birmingham, Alabama on $300,000 gets you a nice house with big yard, but UNPRESTIGIOUS culture. Living in NYC on $300,000 gets you a walk-up studio apt, but you also get the OPERA. Comes out equal.
So no, a $300k salary in NYC is not "lower middle class" when you take into account all benefits which the higher COL pays for. |
Date: November 20th, 2017 11:52 AM Author: pale anal ticket booth milk Tax increases on working people are never fair (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34730785) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:55 AM Author: Drunken sienna institution Fair is relative (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34730804) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:22 PM Author: pale anal ticket booth milk Nah if you work for a living you shouldn’t have your money stolen by the government and redistributed. Huge percent of the expenditures are on stuff like military, healthcare, welfare etc. it’s basically theft. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731076) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:59 AM Author: rambunctious diverse field The guy living in Birmingham could give a fuck about the weather/OPERA and is thrilled he can tailgate at an SEC game or go on a weekend trip fishing somewhere in the South.
Everyone I work with fits into the high-income bracket you are talking about in SoCal and is DYING to leave. Even those who have lived here their whole lives. But they can't yet because of family ties and other reasons. You act like it is all people moving to these high COL areas and then acting superior because they can go see Hamilton first.
Pretty much anyone making between $100-$250K in California is trying to leave.
http://www.ocregister.com/2017/04/23/leaving-california-after-slowing-the-trend-intensifies/
A dive into Internal Revenue Service data shows distinctly that, while poor people are, indeed, leaving, the largest group of outmigrants tends to be middle-aged people making between $100,000 and $200,000 annually. They may not be ideal algorithm creators for Facebook, but they do constitute the solid middle ranks critical to any healthy economy.
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:01 PM Author: Vigorous Mad Cow Disease Preventive Strike nobody is making anyone stay in SoCal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34730851) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:03 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution devastating (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34730874) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:07 PM Author: rambunctious diverse field Guys I am talking about have deep family ties to the area, are getting child care from family members in the area, have a wife who refuses to move, have a family business that is tied geographically to the area, or some combination of the above. It is not an easy decision to just move to ARE country. They are also all in an industry where SoCal is an industry hub and it is harder to get jobs elsewhere. They aren't being "forced" to stay in SoCal, but it is not easy to leave. Do we really want to drive out the upper middle-class of places like California by raping them with taxes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34730926) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:16 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution Yes. There are too many people there. It'll make property values go down.
And most of UMC is transplants. All the families and shit are poor minorities
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:19 PM Author: rambunctious diverse field I work with a bunch of people who were moved here by my company. Everyone else I work with grew up in SoCal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731039) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:20 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution I don't GAF about your made up anecdote.
You and your wife are literally Exhibit A of my point. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:25 PM Author: rambunctious diverse field Pretty much the only UMC people moving to California now are either people from overseas or people who need to be here for career reasons.
CoreLogic’s study is just the latest in a series of reports showing California among the nation’s leaders in out-migration, trailing only New York and Illinois in net out-migration numbers.
About 266,000 more people left California than moved in from other states from 2010 to 2015, U.S. Census data show.
Orange County lost nearly 11,000 residents to other California counties or other states. Los Angeles County lost almost 270,000 but Riverside County offset that loss with a net gain of 66,000 people.
To be fair, that doesn’t include people moving to California and the region from overseas, which more than offsets the loss to other states in California and Orange County. It
http://www.ocregister.com/2017/03/14/why-some-people-are-fleeing-southern-california/
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:04 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution "The guy living in Birmingham could give a fuck about the weather/OPERA and is thrilled he can tailgate at an SEC game or go on a weekend trip fishing somewhere in the South."
Yeah, that's my point. People have different preferences, all of which provide utility. The guy in LA couldn't care less about a weekend fishing trip or SEC football. He likes the weather and being around celebrities and telling people he's from LA. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:09 PM Author: rambunctious diverse field This is a very small percentage of the population in LA. You are ignoring families. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34730942) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:16 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution Most families from LA are poor Mexicans paying negative taxes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731016) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:17 PM Author: rambunctious diverse field total bullshit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731026) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:54 PM Author: flesh jet-lagged brunch You’re just painting a caricature now.
All I know are UMC families in LA and Bay Area and they can’t leave due to the jobs that only exist in coastal cities. Nobody is enjoying the “cultural” benefits because nobody cares. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:58 PM Author: Vigorous Mad Cow Disease Preventive Strike there are no jobs that only exist in coastal cities (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731426) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:02 PM Author: pale anal ticket booth milk False (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731461) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:04 PM Author: flesh jet-lagged brunch I’ll give you 2 examples:
Hedge funds and defense contractors
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:10 PM Author: Vigorous Mad Cow Disease Preventive Strike you're telling a military officer that there are no defense contractors away from the coasts?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AM_General |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:21 PM Author: flesh jet-lagged brunch How many of the top 10 defense contractors are located outside DC/west coast? And what happens when you don’t get that job in Indiana and Lockheed wants to hire you? You tell them “no thanks, I’m just going to continue applying to obscure companies in obscure areas where I have no ties to that city.” Yeah, that’s really how it works in the real world. Also the contractor you found has nothing to do what what my husband does. He works on satellites. So go find me a satellite company in the middle of nowhere. And I’ll just go find random hedge funds in Indiana too. you guys are so deluded on how people develop and maintain careers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731693) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:22 PM Author: Vigorous Mad Cow Disease Preventive Strike https://www.lockheed.com/us/who-we-are/eesh/remediation/akron.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731703) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:24 PM Author: ruby native We have several people from Lockheed that come over to our company. They all worked in Boston and DC area. That's right - two expensive, high tax areas.
Just because they have SOME people in fucking Akron doesn't mean they let expensive lawyers work there. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:26 PM Author: Vigorous Mad Cow Disease Preventive Strike Nothing about that indicates personal preference (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731748) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:33 PM Author: ruby native Wait, you think large corps gaf about what you want?
Recent real life example: Vanguard reaches out to me, says I can lead my own group doing what I do now over there. I have to move to Philly. I don't want to and I tell them that. "Thanks and have a nice day." Jobs are where they are. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:35 PM Author: Vigorous Mad Cow Disease Preventive Strike nothing about voluntarily working for a large corp indicates personal preference (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731854) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:48 PM Author: ruby native Tax policy that disincentivizes people from working for large corps is stupid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732023) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:49 PM Author: Vigorous Mad Cow Disease Preventive Strike (((( )))) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732032) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:49 PM Author: ruby native (dumbass) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732035) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:49 PM Author: Vigorous Mad Cow Disease Preventive Strike non-responsive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732042) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:51 PM Author: ruby native You work in financial products trading. I work in tech. You work in the much Jewier area. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732065) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:56 PM Author: Vigorous Mad Cow Disease Preventive Strike you are throwing the jew stone at me from a glass temple (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732124) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:57 PM Author: ruby native Right back at ya. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732134) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:25 PM Author: Flirting Theater Rigor xo 2007: Models & Bottles
xo 2017: just do Akron bro
tbf as the bort's perspectives have transformed, so have mine |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:26 PM Author: ruby native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731745) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:30 PM Author: Vigorous Mad Cow Disease Preventive Strike great so we're in agreement that "there are no jobs outside of NY and LA" is more of a "I don't want to live outside of NY and LA" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731790) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:26 PM Author: flesh jet-lagged brunch I live in the real world, where you apply to a job that fits your expertise, not the hypothetical world where you just go apply to a location despite the fact that that location does not have your area of expertise. My husband works for a company that has offices all over. He can only do his job in the headquarters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731755) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:30 PM Author: Vigorous Mad Cow Disease Preventive Strike It took me 5 secs to provide an example of an office that conclusively refutes your premise that "I cannot work for Lockheed outside of DC"
(note, this is after you tried to claim there are no defense contractors outside of coastal shitholes and expected somebody who sat in a Humvee yesterday to believe it) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:33 PM Author: ruby native You're not paying attention. Some people work in those locations. Doesn't mean lawyers (or other professionals) working in our specialties can. Some jobs need to be (or are expected to be) in the HQ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731827) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:34 PM Author: Vigorous Mad Cow Disease Preventive Strike your specialty, and your marriage to it, is a matter of personal preference (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731840) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:36 PM Author: ruby native Are you unemployed or something? Why on earth would someone hire a specialist (a guy who does a specific thing) to do something else? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731876) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:38 PM Author: Vigorous Mad Cow Disease Preventive Strike I have two jobs (neither in a coastal area) and I attend school.
Being a specialist is a choice that you made
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:41 PM Author: ruby native LOL, maybe actually get a real high earning job before opining on this since you're obviously still in school and clueless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731939) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:42 PM Author: Vigorous Mad Cow Disease Preventive Strike I work in financial derivatives trading and I serve the country while attending professional school at night. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731947) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:49 PM Author: ruby native "Working in" that doesn't tell me much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732033) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:34 PM Author: rambunctious diverse field Exactly. I am working out of my corporate HQ and am expected to be there. I can't just go work out of our Boise office. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731846) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:37 PM Author: ruby native I'm getting the impression we may be arguing with a legit NEET. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731881) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:38 PM Author: Vigorous Mad Cow Disease Preventive Strike not a NEET (I'm actually actively in all 3 of education, employment, and training) but I am a goy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731904) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:43 PM Author: ruby native Right, so then you're not a high-income employee that needs to worry about being in a corp HQ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731951) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:44 PM Author: Vigorous Mad Cow Disease Preventive Strike lots of goys are high-income (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731961) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:49 PM Author: ruby native Sure, but not you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732041) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:39 PM Author: rambunctious diverse field Probably best to disengage here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731913) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:49 PM Author: ruby native You're right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732043) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:37 PM Author: flesh jet-lagged brunch And it takes me 5 seconds to explain why this isn’t possible. For my husband’s particular job, he always has to work at the HQ. again, I’m in the real world, not some hypo where it’s possible to get a job in another location. My husbands been working now for 12+ years in the same specialty. You don’t just go to a random location where they don’t have that specialty. Youd never get hired anyway.
Also you’re ignoring my job. Go find me some obscure hedge fund in Akron as well. Cuz we make the decision on where to live based on where the jobs are located for both of us. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:40 PM Author: glassy gas station lol he could be an installer for directv and you could work for ameriprise and you'd have a bigger house in akron than you do now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731926) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:43 PM Author: Vigorous Mad Cow Disease Preventive Strike I'm a car guy more so than houses; would never have a big house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731954) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:44 PM Author: glassy gas station good for you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731973) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:45 PM Author: Vigorous Mad Cow Disease Preventive Strike sorry I misread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731982) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:42 PM Author: Vigorous Mad Cow Disease Preventive Strike I do not care about your weird ass specialties. Your specialty, your husband's specialty, TMF's specialty, and Mandy's specialty are personal choices that were made. They are not structural problems of employment being available to professionals, defense contractors, etc. in places that are not NY LA or DC. There is no reason to base federal tax policy off of your specialties (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731944) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:44 PM Author: ruby native Most high earners are specialists. Penalizing people from getting high income specialties and pushing them to work some stupid shit in Akron is retarded policy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731975) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:46 PM Author: Vigorous Mad Cow Disease Preventive Strike It is a great policy for most of the country. Not making an anti-Semitic argument here but 98% of americans are not jewish. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732005) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:51 PM Author: ruby native Most specialists in my area aren't Jewish. You're in a way Jewier area than I am. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732060) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:47 PM Author: glassy gas station everything in this poast is wrong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732006) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:52 PM Author: flesh jet-lagged brunch Wtf are you talking about. I didn’t say tax policies should be based off our professions or specialities. I was responding to OP’s point that we want to live in high COL due to the “culture” which couldn’t be further from the truth.
Also specialities are often not a matter of personal choice. You certainly don’t know at 22 what you’ll be doing at 35 but before you know it, you’ve specialized and you don’t have the choice to change career course at 35 and go do something else. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:54 PM Author: ruby native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732102) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 2:05 PM Author: Mustard Balding Black Woman Rigpig "Also specialities are often not a matter of personal choice"
Only in the sense that you're always trying to step up the ladder and the only "real" option as you saw it was to take the super high paying job instead of going sideways or even slightly down to restructure your career/skills. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 2:22 PM Author: flesh jet-lagged brunch I tried “stepping down” and starting over at 30 when I was unemployed and nobody wanted to hire a JD with no skills to do anything else other than law. I was applying to non legal jobs paying well under $100k. I even applied to quasi legal jobs like a legal research librarian and they thought I was “over qualified.”
If you want to work a traditional career, (i.e, not start your own business or be an entrepreneur or be in a start up environment), there are major structural barriers created by those in the position to hire because you’re not a desirable candidate past a certain age or career trajectory. I got lucky in that my current employer took a chance on me despite my not having any experience or background, but that was purely luck. It’s actually quite difficult to even change paths within the same industry. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:32 PM Author: ruby native Same. Theoretically, we have offices in FL. But our home office is in the NYC area. Saying I just want to move to FL and work there won't be viewed kindly, particularly since the execs I work for are still all in the NYC area. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731813) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:34 PM Author: glassy gas station just work from home most of the time and get your idiot wife to get a job outside of the city. you'd be able to live far enough from nyc that it would be affordable. not hard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731842) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:41 PM Author: ruby native Ugh, jfc you aspies. I already WFH most days. Getting my wife a high paying job in the middle of nowhere isn't a trivial task. The idea that it is "not hard" is retarded.
Also, jobs these days aren't permanent affairs. WFH jobs are few and far between. Selling properties, moving, etc. is also expensive. So even if I could make your idiotic plan work, it isn't clear that it would save me any money over my current path (buy cheaper houses around NYC area). |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:44 PM Author: glassy gas station i mean she should get a job in the suburbs not the "middle of nowhere" as you call it. that way she wouldn't have to commute to nyc and you'd get to live further out and get cheaper housing, etc. even if it's a pay cut you'd be better off.
I know plenty of people who went this route and you're already half way there. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:47 PM Author: ruby native Until one of us got a job in a different location and then we would have to move at great expense. The tax situation is the same (we don't pay city tax now), and we're looking at cheaper houses, so I'm not seeing the awesome savings from your proposal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732016) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:51 PM Author: glassy gas station if she wasn't tied to NYC, you would have access to either nicer houses/better schools or would be able to spend less. i don't get the "got a job in a different location" point. that's true for any dual income couple. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732067) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:56 PM Author: ruby native We need flexibility. We don't care about the opera. We're not doing it because of "prestige" - we're doing it because the situation with employment makes this a better move. Your alternative may or may not save money in the long term. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732120) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:08 PM Author: garnet tattoo garrison i hate nyc and i'm barely getting by. i would leave, but i can't find work anywhere else (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34730938) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:09 PM Author: rambunctious diverse field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34730945) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:17 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution So you didn't have a job before you moved to LA? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731022) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:36 PM Author: rambunctious diverse field This doesn't relate to me, but it relates to other people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731222) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:16 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution That's BS. You could find work somewhere else you just won't take the paycut.
And you aren't "barely getting by". You are just trying to live a typical UMC lifestyle while living in NYC. It's hard to have both. But you can't just ignore all the CULTURAL benefits of living in NYC. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:20 PM Author: garnet tattoo garrison i have no time or energy to do anything cultural. i also don't care about it. i don't live anywhere close to a UMC lifestyle, and i'm not trying to.
you're right, though, i refuse to go work part time at a dollar store in are country, so i guess i deserve to be fucked. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:20 PM Author: pale anal ticket booth milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731056) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:21 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution "you're right, though, i refuse to go work part time at a dollar store in are country, so i guess i deserve to be fucked."
Thanks for helping me prove my point.
And what exactly do you do that's not transferable?
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:24 PM Author: garnet tattoo garrison prove your point? i grew up in are country. my family is in are country. part time at the dollar store is better than a lot of people are doing.
what do i do that's not transferable? you clearly have no experience with are country. there's nothing there. no skills are transferable to are country, because nothing skilled is being done there. it's all poverty, drug addiction and decay. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:26 PM Author: pale anal ticket booth milk Then take a job as a drug dealer you yuppie elitist liberal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731116) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:26 PM Author: rambunctious diverse field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731118) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:29 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution Have you heard of Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, Charlotte, Raleigh, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cinncinnati, Columbus, Minneapolis, Indianpolis, Richmond, Nashville, Oklahoma City, Portland, Kansas City, Des Moines, etc? Shall I go on? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731148) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:31 PM Author: pale anal ticket booth milk So your opinion is that we should discourage middle class people from working in the two largest economies? Who does this benefit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731169) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:33 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution No, I'm saying the people that claim they are middle class actually aren't. It's just they don't count the benefits of living in the big cities. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731191) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:34 PM Author: pale anal ticket booth milk Why are you the final say on what is and isn’t “middle class”? Basically anyone who works for a living and is above the poverty line is “middle class” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731202) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:45 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution No one informed agrees with that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731313) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:47 PM Author: pale anal ticket booth milk Are you a liberal? You argue like a liberal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731329) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:58 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution Are you retarded? You argue like a retard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731415) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:00 PM Author: pale anal ticket booth milk (actual clueless idiot arguing TMF should find biglaw compliance job in charlotte) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731442) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:03 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution You don't understand my argument at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731473) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:04 PM Author: pale anal ticket booth milk Correct. you’re incoherent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731493) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:52 PM Author: Vigorous Mad Cow Disease Preventive Strike not true at all (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731368) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:54 PM Author: pale anal ticket booth milk explain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731384) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:32 PM Author: garnet tattoo garrison are you flaming? i moved to nyc because that's one of the few cities that will take you if you don't have local ties, and i drew the short straw on my local ties. bay area and socal are other ones. have you fucking tried putting in for jobs in those cities? because i have, and it's a dead end. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731171) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:32 PM Author: rambunctious diverse field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731185) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:34 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution Very few states don't have at least one decent sized city with good jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731199) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:35 PM Author: garnet tattoo garrison let's have this conversation once you graduate from college and have tried to live in the real world for a few years, ok? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731205) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:35 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution Okay I'll take that as admitting you are done here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731215) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:36 PM Author: garnet tattoo garrison i'm done arguing with some delusional idiot who has no idea how anything works, yeah. you're a fucking moron living in a bubble, and i hope you come back and tell us all about it when it pops. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731227) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:36 PM Author: pale anal ticket booth milk I don’t understand this gleeful desire to tax working people to hell. It’s a very liberal/Socialist impulse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731220) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:38 PM Author: ruby native Rich people that hate strivers doing well (hey, know your place!).
Poor people that will never succeed.
It is really infuriating. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:40 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution No, people just hate strivers whining (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731277) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:44 PM Author: pale anal ticket booth milk Why are they whining? Maybe because you want to hack up their already high taxes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731300) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:44 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution They are paying the same tax rates as everyone else.
California can certainly lower their state tax rate. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:46 PM Author: pale anal ticket booth milk Not a tax expert but p. sure there are different federal brackets based on income (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731326) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:55 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution Oh, are those different in Alabama than in California? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731389) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:47 PM Author: ruby native We are not. We are limited in living in one of a few places where the jobs are and where the taxes are high. On top of that, our taxes are about to get hiked up. I guess we have the audacity to want things like to own a house...
Also, you need to learn about progressive taxation. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:56 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution Tell me what I don't understand about progressive taxation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731397) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:53 PM Author: Vigorous Mad Cow Disease Preventive Strike nobody cares about local ties (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731374) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:54 PM Author: ruby native In primary cities they don't. In secondary cities and down they absolutely do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731385) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:01 PM Author: Vigorous Mad Cow Disease Preventive Strike secondary city guy here. never heard "local ties" uttered in any hiring discussion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731452) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 2:12 PM Author: ruby native I doubt you're heavily involved in hiring discussions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732333) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:56 PM Author: pale anal ticket booth milk lol dude stfu of course they do in smaller markets. Shit is so competitive they take any excuse to ding you for patreek kuthrapai (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731398) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:00 PM Author: Vigorous Mad Cow Disease Preventive Strike Patreek sounds like he does not have local ties either (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731444) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:01 PM Author: pale anal ticket booth milk He’s an H1b and is legally tied to the corporation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731453) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:24 PM Author: ruby native How is it good policy to encourage people to fuck over their careers and take a shittier job at worse pay because otherwise they get tax raped to death? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731092) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:25 PM Author: pale anal ticket booth milk Reduces social mobility. That’s the real goal here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731105) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:26 PM Author: ruby native That's what pisses me off. This furthers the "heads we win, tails we lose" setup in society, where unless you're born rich you're fucked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731115) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:35 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution No. The people in NYC making $400,000 aren't fucked. But they definitely aren't middle class and should stop whining that they are.
That's my point - stop trying to change it to something else. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:39 PM Author: pale anal ticket booth milk You don’t know what middle class means apparently (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731256) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:44 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution I know exactly what it means. It's not anyone in the top 5% (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731301) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:49 PM Author: pale anal ticket booth milk Top 5% is a completely arbitrary designation. It should be based on how you draw income. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731351) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:27 PM Author: rambunctious diverse field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731123) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:32 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution They aren't charging anymore in taxes there than anywhere else.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731179) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:39 PM Author: ruby native Wow, you really don't know what you're talking about, do you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731254) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:40 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution How are the rates different in California than Alabama, besides a higher state tax rate (which is a decision made by California)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731269) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:46 PM Author: ruby native Certain places like NYC have a city income tax.
Other places (like NYC suburbs) have huge property tax rates.
Obviously, the massive state tax rate in CA is going to kill you if you live there. There are also a dozen other crazy fees (owning a car is much more expensive, for example) that will get you. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:55 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution Then maybe those states and cities should lower their tax rates, not the rest of the country's problem.
I was referring to fed gov't. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:05 PM Author: ruby native That's great, but not within my power or control. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731503) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:23 PM Author: ruby native This. If my wife and I could get great jobs in Miami, we'd move there tomorrow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731085) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:24 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution Thank you for further proving my point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731090) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:25 PM Author: ruby native We don't care about the opera. The places that are desirable that are low tax don't have jobs. Wtf are we expected to do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731106) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:30 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution YOU WANT TO LIVE SOMEWHERE "DESIRABLE" which to you means like 6 cities. You have to pay for that. Other people would rather have bigger houses with yards.
There are plenty of big cities with jobs with low taxes, but they aren't as desirable as NYC/Miami/LA etc.
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:35 PM Author: ruby native Uh, so you think my wife and I are both going to get high paying jobs in a specific legal area in Grand Rapids or whatever shithole you envision? Also, don't we already pay for living somewhere desirable by paying the COL? Do we really need tax policy that destroys us on top of that?
At any rate, for what we do our choices are basically Silicon Valley/SF, LA, NYC, and DC (with DC being the crappiest option). We would love to move to Miami, but no jobs there. What would you have us do, exactly? Take the shitlaw equivalent of our jobs in Columbus, Ohio or Denver or whatever? Basically, we end up fucked no matter what. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:36 PM Author: glassy gas station yep, tax policy should "destroy" people like you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731228) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:38 PM Author: pale anal ticket booth milk (Bernie Sanders) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731242) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:39 PM Author: ruby native Explain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731268) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:38 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution I'm not advocating taxing you more specifically. I'm just saying you aren't middle class and need to stop whining like you are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731250) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:44 PM Author: ruby native In the places we live, we really are. I'm looking at getting a new house, one where we can actually raise kids in. It is only slightly smaller than the cheap house I grew up in as a kid. I'm looking at paying $550k-575k or so, not including renovation costs. One car garage, small yard, etc. Schools are incredibly mediocre in the area. It is 100% the definition of a middle-class house.
Upper class has certain expectations about lifestyle and finances that we fundamentally do not meet. And this is with two working people, both in a high paying field. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:46 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution You are leaving out the benefits of living in a big desirable city, that other people do not have. That's my fucking point. Those benefits are definitely worth something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731321) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:48 PM Author: pale anal ticket booth milk You mean like rats, roaches, insane minorities and high rent? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731343) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:49 PM Author: ruby native There are pros and cons. Crime is much higher, it is much harder to find a good school that isn't private for your kids. Yes, there are nice restaurants and urban parks, but in reality, that isn't why many of us live here. We live here because we can get jobs here. Full stop. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731348) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 2:02 PM Author: Mustard Balding Black Woman Rigpig if you do something so specific that you can't get a job in atlanta, dallas, charlotte, whatever, chances are you're in an area niche enough you explicitly *chose* (back in the day) for the "prestige" and "[city] lifestyle" and it's coming back to bite you in the ass. I'm not really going to cry when a VC guy can't live anywhere besides SF/NYC and gets taxed for it, because the only way you end up in that industry in the first place is pure striverism. This isn't true of most professions (doctors, programmers, even most lawyers, etc etc). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732205) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 2:05 PM Author: ruby native Again, we're already getting tax-fucked, we're pissed about getting more tax-fucked and the notion that we're doing this because of "prestige" or "the opera" or some nebulous bragging rights that almost no one cares about.
And while I might be able to get a job in Atlanta, it is unlikely both my wife and I could. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 2:05 PM Author: autistic station jew CR, these guys can just go be a male nurse and make 70K in Charlotte and live a fine life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732241) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 2:06 PM Author: ruby native lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732254) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 2:07 PM Author: autistic station jew you're already figuratively cleaning up shit - why not literally for a chiller lifestyle in flyover (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732269) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 2:11 PM Author: ruby native So instead of being a specialist in an in demand area, I can go to literally cleaning up human waste because fuck strivers, know your place? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732319) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 2:19 PM Author: autistic station jew Wow, a specialist in the Dodd Frank Act or whatever - so amazing.
Because nurses work way better hours than lawyers in general and you can live like a king in flyover on 80K. Work is work - just get good hours and good pay and job mobility and live a like a king. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 2:25 PM Author: ruby native I actually enjoy my job and mostly WFH. I took a day off today because I have a ton of vacation time that needs to be used up. Why the fuck would I trade that for a much shittier job? And if incentives are being created to make that happen, I have to ask who that is benefiting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732478) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 2:27 PM Author: autistic station jew If you like your job and make decent money, then stay put. For the most of us in law who hate our jobs, it only makes sense to make a change to an easier lifestyle. Most lawyers are unfortunately HUGE pussies. I have little sympathy for pussies who whine and bitch nonstop about their lives and refuse to make a change. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732504) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 2:39 PM Author: ruby native To be fair, it took a huge risk and change for me to get here. I had to get another grad degree after law school to make this possible.
But I object to the notion that what I did is something society wants to actively discourage via the tax code. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 2:09 PM Author: Mustard Balding Black Woman Rigpig I'm not even talking about law, you can *still* bail from the ultra-striver track even after you've joined biglaw. Or if you were an ibanking associate out of college or whatever. You only really get locked in after a series of decisions where you repeatedly refused to re-evaluate your track/future and went down a very specific path. The fact that someone didn't consciously evaluate these decisions and just took the instinctual striver "more $$$/prestige" path of least resistance then complains about being double taxed garners absolutely zero sympathy from me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732287) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 2:23 PM Author: autistic station jew CR I took the biglaw path straight out and am now gunning for an easier, chiller life in a cheap area. I have friends who stuck it out in a high stress, high hour job, got a huge mortgage in a big city, had babies, and are now financially stuck in a rut. They complain 24/7 about their lives and how they hate working so much (openly tell me about how they were way happier without huge financial obligations and when they were making like 40k/a year in a low-stress job before LS), but they actively chose to continue this lifestyle. LJL @ these whiny strivers.
These types of people will never change - they will hate their lives and continue to bitch nonstop until they die at their desks. |
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Date: November 21st, 2017 5:35 PM Author: Tan fragrant athletic conference legend They aren't getting taxed because they are insufferable strivers. They are getting taxed equally because they vote for shitlib state and local governments. Ending the SALT deduction is just about not subsidizing shitlib local and state governments. It isn't about anything else hehe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34742524) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:35 PM Author: rambunctious diverse field There are tons of desirable places to live outside of 6 cities. My wife wants to move to Richmond, which I would be in favor of if I could get a job there. But I can't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731213) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:37 PM Author: Drunken sienna institution Weren't you in a city like Richmond, with good jobs, before moving to LA? Dude you really have no place in this thread. Like I said, you are Exhibit A. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731232) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:35 PM Author: glassy gas station Miami is a hellhole. you have shitty taste in cities. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731208) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:35 PM Author: ruby native What makes it a hellhole, exactly? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731214) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:38 PM Author: pale anal ticket booth milk Try living there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731247) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:39 PM Author: ruby native Go on. I'm legit curious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731263) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:43 PM Author: pale anal ticket booth milk At least 50% of the city can’t/wont speak English. Treat you like shit if you don’t speak Spanish. People are legitimately racist and cliquish, will be very hard to break through if you aren’t rich or Latino.
Insane immigrants driving like psychopaths on the roads. Seriously, a Haitian friend of mine says it reminds him of driving in Haiti.
Serious crime problems. There are only a few habitable areas for whites and low inventory, so you’re going to need to live in a very expensive exclusive area if you don’t want your kids becoming wiggers.
There’s a general 2nd world kind of attitude there and people just operate differently than they do in other cities. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:52 PM Author: Vigorous Mad Cow Disease Preventive Strike he is rich. that's TMF one of the richest guys here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731363) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:52 PM Author: ruby native gtfo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731369) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:52 PM Author: ruby native A ton of Russians live there, so not like we wouldn't have a large community there. We would send our kids to the big Russian Orthodox Church there so they would have normal friends. Yeah, I get that it is a bit like living in Latin America, but not sure that's really awful.
Shit like crime seems to be par for course for a large city. I don't think it is worse than say, NYC, LA, SF, Chicago, etc. At least whenever I'm there I don't feel any less safe.
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:57 PM Author: pale anal ticket booth milk Miami is like LA without the amenities. I guess every large city is a hellscape now tbh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731412) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:05 PM Author: ruby native The ocean in Miami is better and taxes are much lower. Overall, it is still cheaper too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731498) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:51 PM Author: Vigorous Mad Cow Disease Preventive Strike go online to look for jobs in Miami. you don't need to interview in person early on in job hunt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731358) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:52 PM Author: pale anal ticket booth milk Good luck if you aren’t bilingual (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731366) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:54 PM Author: ruby native Again, we work in a very specific specialty. My wife has a job alert for our area in Miami. Nothing comes up. She gets daily job updates in SV/NYC with a number of new jobs every single day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731378) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 2:00 PM Author: autistic station jew just change professions - this is my plan, brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732164) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:31 PM Author: Bat shit crazy exciting office queen of the night Deeply antisemitic thread. All of you should be ashamed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34731168) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 2:08 PM Author: ruby native Also, just a note - if Republicans removed allowing state taxes from corporations, I'd be more ok with that. You would see businesses relocating to FL, TX, etc. Then the jobs would flow there and we would be able to follow. But so far this is just "fuck you strivers, know your place and stop trying to move up the socie-economic class ladder." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34732278) |
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Date: November 21st, 2017 5:38 PM Author: vibrant frisky toilet seat nowag You deserve to be raped (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803522&forum_id=2#34742552) |