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Ryan tax plan makes grad school impossible

Nbd just one less mechanism for moving up in the world. Thes...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
Can't universities like CMU just reduce PhD tuition for ever...
Gay Jap Ratface
  11/21/17
The written tuition is so they can scalp foreigners for full...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
But even foreigners aren't paying tuition for PhDs. They do...
Gay Jap Ratface
  11/21/17
Makes the tax seems pointless no? How much will they actuall...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
Quite a lot if the universities keep the tuition level high ...
self-absorbed curious state
  11/21/17
Probably not much. If it forces universities to bring their...
Gay Jap Ratface
  11/21/17
Most likely students will just take out more loans to pay th...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
Lol, no CS PhD students are taking out loans.
Gay Jap Ratface
  11/21/17
Most aren’t now, but they’ll probably have to if they’re exp...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
No, schools will either change their tuition structure or ra...
Gay Jap Ratface
  11/21/17
People make that calculation now and still choose CS phd. We...
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  11/21/17
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  11/21/17
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Excitant theater stage
  11/21/17
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Infuriating Umber Point Private Investor
  11/21/17
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stirring factory reset button base
  11/21/17
Yeah, make tuition 250k per year but give everyone except ri...
thirsty boyish site psychic
  11/21/17
most people i've talked to think the answer is "no"...
glittery insecure meetinghouse athletic conference
  11/21/17
http://100rsns.blogspot.com/
Cream really tough guy corner
  11/21/17
CMU ML phd remains worthwhile
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
Grad school has morphed into a Boomer scam so breaking that ...
beady-eyed kitchen toaster
  11/21/17
CS PhDs are a boomer scam?
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
Well, about half of them have no job or just a shitty post-d...
beady-eyed kitchen toaster
  11/21/17
It is exceeding easy for someone with that degree to get a p...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
It's easy for literally anybody who knows programming to get...
beady-eyed kitchen toaster
  11/21/17
CS Phd increases earning power as a programmer dramatically....
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
How much does a CS Ph.D increase earning power compared to a...
beady-eyed kitchen toaster
  11/21/17
I’ve worked with and hired PhDs and non-phds for programmer ...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
So you only have anecdotal information? Okay.
beady-eyed kitchen toaster
  11/21/17
You should thank me for taking the time to explain something...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
"I have absolutely no data but I totally remember that ...
beady-eyed kitchen toaster
  11/21/17
So now you’ve moved from “CS PhD is a scam like law school!”...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
Unless they're seeking some very specific skill, most of tho...
Supple godawful potus community account
  11/21/17
most hedge funds won’t even talk to non-PhDs because they ha...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
Don't places like Jane Street hire MIT kids out of undergrad...
Supple godawful potus community account
  11/21/17
Yeah they are an exception. Most smaller funds need people w...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
I didn't say it was "a scam like law school." I us...
beady-eyed kitchen toaster
  11/21/17
It's much less than you'd think, especially if you compare c...
Supple godawful potus community account
  11/21/17
I think this is the stronger point tbh. Why discourage the f...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
Seems like the schools can solve this by reducing graduate s...
Supple godawful potus community account
  11/21/17
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stirring factory reset button base
  11/21/17
academia is a scam
razzle-dazzle arrogant cuck alpha
  11/21/17
humanities/social science phds aren't the majority of degree...
haunting address lettuce
  11/21/17
Ph.D job prospects in every STEM field have gotten substanti...
beady-eyed kitchen toaster
  11/21/17
Again: who fucking cares? The overabundance of PhDs does not...
haunting address lettuce
  11/21/17
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Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
Yes, actually. Tuition should be lowered across the boa...
Gay Jap Ratface
  11/21/17
Yeah, that's not what would happen (nor does it even really ...
haunting address lettuce
  11/21/17
That's fine, they should ignore them and attend public schoo...
Gay Jap Ratface
  11/21/17
It’s the tax that’s the problem
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
Except it's still cheaper to go to an Ivy at full finaid eve...
haunting address lettuce
  11/21/17
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Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
If Ivies want to give out more aid to cover the tax, they're...
Gay Jap Ratface
  11/21/17
You realize that would very likely result in *higher* base t...
haunting address lettuce
  11/21/17
I think would more likely just result in proportionally fewe...
Gay Jap Ratface
  11/21/17
If I get a discount from a friend at his furniture store bec...
haunting address lettuce
  11/21/17
Then it should be no big deal to bring their accounting in l...
Gay Jap Ratface
  11/21/17
Anecdotes about your friends are worthless compared to hard ...
beady-eyed kitchen toaster
  11/21/17
Again, what is not clear is that TAXING PHDS MAKES ANY FUCKI...
haunting address lettuce
  11/21/17
This guy literally thinks CS PhDs are unemployable “scams” c...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
I never said they were unemployable. I just pointed out they...
beady-eyed kitchen toaster
  11/21/17
lol, so we should have a glut instead of sorely unprepared p...
Trip bull headed bawdyhouse becky
  11/21/17
Flawed in several respects: 1. There's no obvious reason ...
beady-eyed kitchen toaster
  11/21/17
College dropout millionaire lecturing you on the importance ...
Cream really tough guy corner
  11/21/17
Grad school is a much bigger scam than law, so this kind of ...
Slimy Emerald Cruise Ship Masturbator
  11/21/17
So making it impossible for middle class Americans to pursue...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
Yes, because the government “access to education” free money...
Slimy Emerald Cruise Ship Masturbator
  11/21/17
100% cr. also don't forget the HILARIOUS juxtaposition of &q...
Orange pocket flask station
  11/21/17
Social engineering through regressive tax policy. Definitely...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
(Asian manlet getting his PHD in Public Administration)
Slimy Emerald Cruise Ship Masturbator
  11/21/17
Shitlib usury, that's REAL conservatism.
self-absorbed curious state
  11/21/17
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mind-boggling kitty
  11/21/17
No one believes you voted R
mind-boggling kitty
  11/21/17
because I don’t support tax increases? Lol ok. I have a much...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
stop whining
Vibrant fantasy-prone telephone school
  11/21/17
“Stop whining! We just want to increase your taxes by a litt...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
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Light Stubborn Library
  11/21/17
Why should tuition waivers be exempt from income tax? Should...
Primrose mad-dog skullcap orchestra pit
  11/22/17
"Yes, because the government “access to education” free...
haunting address lettuce
  11/21/17
STEM programs are less of a scam than humanities but still v...
beady-eyed kitchen toaster
  11/21/17
...
Gay Jap Ratface
  11/21/17
STudents will just take out loans to pay the tax
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
Your OP is that the tax bill makes grad school "impossi...
beady-eyed kitchen toaster
  11/21/17
Science PhD tuition is flame. They’ll just stop charging it.
Lascivious Out-of-control Old Irish Cottage
  11/21/17
Yeah. I have no idea why everyone in my program was 'gifted'...
Nofapping hall
  11/21/17
It allows them to collect more NIH/NSF training grant money....
Lascivious Out-of-control Old Irish Cottage
  11/21/17
so making this stipend tax move in parallel with slashing NI...
Trip bull headed bawdyhouse becky
  11/21/17
Maybe these schools should try cutting back diversity depart...
beady-eyed kitchen toaster
  11/21/17
nice to see the "BBBUT..BBUTT..BUT>..CHICAGO!!111!!!...
Trip bull headed bawdyhouse becky
  11/21/17
"grad school" is a mechanism for lining the pocket...
startling plaza affirmative action
  11/21/17
Only if you choose the wrong subject
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
people who choose the wrong subject are necessary to fund th...
startling plaza affirmative action
  11/21/17
People in the right subject often get industry fellowships e...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
Guess those industries can increase stipends to offset the t...
beady-eyed kitchen toaster
  11/21/17
Schools would just need to eliminate PhD tuition or give the...
aromatic electric furnace space
  11/21/17
Yeah, this is the real answer
Gay Jap Ratface
  11/21/17
What is the point of the tax if no one is going to pay it? A...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
It's not a "new tax". They are removing a dumb ex...
mind-boggling kitty
  11/21/17
...
Gay Jap Ratface
  11/21/17
Call it whatever you like. They say Obamacare isn’t a tax ei...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
actually they say Obamacare is a tax.
startling plaza affirmative action
  11/21/17
Depends who they is
Lascivious Out-of-control Old Irish Cottage
  11/21/17
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Bonkers location
  11/21/17
1. Lower grad school tuition to something reasonable like 10...
Odious Gas Station Crotch
  11/21/17
this College admins are ran by Jews now anyway, fuck em
Mint stage
  11/21/17
The are going after he private college endowments as well -‘...
Bonkers location
  11/21/17
100% CR
Sick Pervert
  11/21/17
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stirring factory reset button base
  11/21/17
180
passionate business firm blood rage
  11/21/17
CR the shitlib menace is being destroyed
mind-boggling kitty
  11/21/17
*throws out baby with bath water*
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
Twist: there is no baby, Libs aborted it
Bonkers location
  11/21/17
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startling plaza affirmative action
  11/21/17
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mind-boggling kitty
  11/21/17
Lol how much of a fucking rube OP is
Cowardly jewess
  11/21/17
Because I’m pushing back against tax increases on the middle...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
Exactly right--please eat shit, you mediocre dicklicker
Cowardly jewess
  11/21/17
Don’t be mean to Paul Ryan!!!
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
wow that's a hot take!
Abnormal spruce locale
  11/21/17
ljl.
mind-boggling kitty
  11/21/17
a small step towards a just world
federal sneaky criminal
  11/21/17
Most graduated education is complete bullshit that isn't rea...
smoky cerebral resort sweet tailpipe
  11/21/17
Post this on the grad bort if you want a more sympathetic au...
slap-happy mad cow disease garrison
  11/21/17
lol at grad school as a means for "moving up in the wor...
shimmering public bath tattoo
  11/21/17
state BSCS->Ivy CS PhD is STILL one of the only viable pa...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
(guy turning down CMU PhD for Dartmouth for dat IVY prestige...
Gay Jap Ratface
  11/21/17
I would be so much better off right now had Law School been ...
Bright cracking genital piercing
  11/21/17
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shimmering public bath tattoo
  11/21/17
CS PhD isn’t anything like law school tho
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
Lmfao at how MAF Charles is in this thread (because he's tak...
Exhilarant Hell Depressive
  11/21/17
LOL no, not going to grad school is probably the single best...
beady-eyed kitchen toaster
  11/21/17
You're a miserable, skinnyfat, repressed homosexual. Academi...
Exhilarant Hell Depressive
  11/21/17
Not really because history departments are batshit crazy shi...
glittery insecure meetinghouse athletic conference
  11/21/17
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cobalt razzle property police squad
  11/21/17
Doctorates as a vehicle for social mobility are DEMENTED BOO...
Vigorous trailer park
  11/21/17
mfcr
Gay Jap Ratface
  11/21/17
...
beady-eyed kitchen toaster
  11/21/17
Those are anecdotes and of course you’re free to disagree. I...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
Nobody will end up actually paying this. Schools will eithe...
Gay Jap Ratface
  11/21/17
"Those are anecdotes and of course you’re free to disag...
Vigorous trailer park
  11/21/17
When I offer anecdotes they are derided as anecdotes, just t...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
"just trying to keep you honest" Your concern f...
Vigorous trailer park
  11/21/17
Waving your hands around and screaming RACISM doesn't do muc...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
You have a lot of feelings, it seems, but no links. Thanks f...
Vigorous trailer park
  11/21/17
non-responsive
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
Right. Because you're just ranting about your personal prefe...
Vigorous trailer park
  11/21/17
For the record, I’ve already addressed all this. 1) the ...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
*inherits millions tax free with stepped up basis*
ultramarine windowlicker rehab
  11/21/17
lol
Scarlet Twisted Regret
  11/21/17
Where is HAHAURFUCKED when we need him?
razzle-dazzle arrogant cuck alpha
  11/21/17
I don't remember him raging on machine learning PhDs from CM...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
He raged about academia. Science isn’t exempted from those i...
Lascivious Out-of-control Old Irish Cottage
  11/21/17
eh CS phd in ML and other useful disciplines would probably ...
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
not fair to the current students
well-lubricated ruddy patrolman water buffalo
  11/21/17
fuck them. they likely voted for Hillary Clinton
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
wtf is unc? umc? grad school is all umc!
Harsh Slate Step-uncle's House
  11/21/17
Cr this is a tax on rich UMC yuppie grad school libs
Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor
  11/21/17
Oh noes! What will we do without all of our Cal State PhD ca...
jet bateful jew
  11/21/17
maybe schools should stop inflating tuition prices
rose narrow-minded theater
  11/21/17
lmao @ xo nerds being this obsessed with fucking colleges an...
Mint stage
  11/21/17
xo ryan
Deranged partner
  11/21/17
as a former EE grad student who got $$$$ and never had to pa...
Impressive Voyeur
  11/21/17
...
Vigorous trailer park
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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:48 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

Nbd just one less mechanism for moving up in the world. These UNCbrats need to pay their fair share

https://www.wired.com/story/grad-students-are-freaking-out-about-the-gops-tax-plan-they-should-be/

Grad Students Are Freaking Out About the GOP Tax Plan. They Should Be

Donald Trump speaks with reporters about his proposed tax reform plan.

Alex Edelman/Alamy

Amanda Coston was preparing for a meeting with her advisor Monday afternoon when her friend, another first-year PhD student in Carnegie Mellon's machine learning department, knocked on her door. Had she seen the email? A few minutes earlier, the university's Graduate Student Assembly had sent a Google Doc to department representatives across the university, and those reps had forwarded the document to their grad students.

That document, which you can see for yourself here, details the devastating impact the GOP's recently unveiled tax-reform plan could have on the university's PhD candidates. Buried in that plan is a proposed repeal that would cause graduate students' tuition waivers to be counted as income—making them subject to taxes. The document analyzes how the repeal would affect graduate students in colleges across Carnegie Mellon.

It's pretty bleak.

The annual stipend for a PhD student in Carnegie Mellon's school of computer science is about $32,400. The university covers the student's $43,000 tuition, in exchange for the research she conducts and the courses she teaches. Under current law, the government taxes only a student’s stipend; the waived tuition is not taken into account. But under the GOP bill, her annual taxable income would rise from $32,400 to $76,234. Even factoring in new deductions also included in the proposal, the CMU document estimates her taxes would amount to $10,209 per year—nearly four times the amount under current law. That would slash her net annual stipend by 25 percent, from $29,566 to $22,191.

"It was just such a shock," says Coston, who expects her degree will take another five years to complete. If the repeal were to become law, it would take effect in 2018–2019. "It really changes the calculus on my finances. This suddenly makes a lot of things like rent, car payments, groceries, all that stuff, no longer affordable."

And not just for her. Current and would-be graduate students fear that, were the bill to pass, getting a PhD in the US could become financially impossible. "I monitor all legislation at the state and federal levels that could affect graduate and professional students, and this is just—this would have the greatest negative impact of anything I've seen," says Samantha Hernandez, legislative director of the National Association of Graduate-Professional Students. "It would be devastating."

For years, PhD candidates have "paid" for their educations almost exclusively through research and teaching—working in labs, TAing courses, hosting office hours. It works like an apprenticeship: Trade five years of your life learning and working in a field that interests you in exchange for a meager, but livable, salary. "The point is to be stressed about class work and research—not finances," Coston says. Fewer than 10 percent of PhD candidates in STEM fields rely primarily on their own money to pay for grad school; and in 2015, more than three-quarters graduated with no debt. (At least from their graduate programs; plenty of graduate students complete their PhDs burdened with debt from their undergrad years.)

But removing the promise of a living wage would dramatically affect people's ability to pursue a graduate degree. "I think we'd see a shift in who even starts such a program," says UT Austin computational biologist Claus Wilke, who also blogs on the subject of professional development in academia. A graduate education would quickly become something you pursue only if you can pay for it.

That's a bad message to send to anyone driven to learn and innovate. You want talented people to study and contribute to what they're passionate about—not what they can afford. "The people who were doing it for the love of science, or who were excited about going into teaching, or even because they have a lucrative career in mind—they may just decide they can't do it," Wilke says.

The GOP's plan would also affect what PhDs do once they leave their graduate programs. PhDs are already less likely to go into academia than they once were, and a tax burden could compound the trend. Academic gigs can't compete with industry jobs on salary, and they have a reputation for being less stable, Hernandez says, which leads people to pursue what she calls "alternative academic routes."

In other words: The more debt students graduate with, the less likely they are to pursue relatively low-paying or financially risky jobs—in academia and elsewhere. That means fewer educated people teaching, experimenting, and innovating at research institutions, sure, but in other places, too. "Right now you can graduate debt free and work for the government, non profits, start your own company—you get to choose. But if you’ve accumulated a lot of debt, most students are going to look at high paying jobs that’ll let them pay off debt," Coston says.

Many academics fear the tax burden would waylay efforts to increase social and intellectual diversity at their institutions. "You have to advocate for folks who are coming down the pipeline," says UCLA neuroscientist Astra Bryant. She says that's especially true of women and underrepresented minorities. "I mentor two underprivileged undergraduate women, and my concern for them is that an increased tax burden would make it financially impossible for them to afford to pursue a PhD."

And what's bad for grad students is bad for universities. PhD students are a linchpin of the undergraduate education model. When they're not conducting research, they're teaching classes, grading tests, and holding office hours. "And to be frank, at this point, they're cheaper than adjunct professors," Hernandez says. "You start removing them, and innovation, research, education—all of those things start to slow down. So there's a huge impact on higher education as a whole."

Not all PhDs would be affected equally.1 "Tuition waiver" is not a legal term but a colloquial one used to describe several scenarios outlined in Section 117 of the US tax code. That section treats scholarships and fellowship grants (described in subsections a—c) differently from tuition reductions (described in subsection d). The GOP's tax plan would leave the first three subsections alone but repeal the provision on tuition reductions. An estimated 145,000 graduate students benefit from these reductions, some 60 percent of them in STEM fields.

Furthermore, a document similar to the one circulated by Carnegie Mellon's GSA is making the rounds at UC Berkeley, a public institution. That document estimates that the GOP's proposal would increase tax burdens for students at public schools by 30 to 60 percent, compared to the several-hundred-percent increase seen by private school students who pay higher tuitions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738546)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:49 AM
Author: Gay Jap Ratface

Can't universities like CMU just reduce PhD tuition for everyone to $1? And make TAing or RAing a required part of the program? It's not like anyone's actually paying the tuition price anyway.

Seems like just an accounting issue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738555)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:50 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

The written tuition is so they can scalp foreigners for full freight.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738568)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:51 AM
Author: Gay Jap Ratface

But even foreigners aren't paying tuition for PhDs. They do pay for master's degrees but that could be treated separately.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738573)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:57 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

Makes the tax seems pointless no? How much will they actually be able to collect?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738625)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:06 AM
Author: self-absorbed curious state

Quite a lot if the universities keep the tuition level high even when they give the waiver (which is an in-kind payment and should be taxed like any other). If they're freaking out so hard then they can.lower the tuition.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738694)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:07 AM
Author: Gay Jap Ratface

Probably not much. If it forces universities to bring their sticker prices in line with actual reality, it's a good thing. Or they can pay a higher stipend to make up for it, which would also be a good thing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738703)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:11 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

Most likely students will just take out more loans to pay the tax

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738725)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:12 AM
Author: Gay Jap Ratface

Lol, no CS PhD students are taking out loans.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738731)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:14 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

Most aren’t now, but they’ll probably have to if they’re expected to pay tax on $70k on income they never actually received.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738738)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:18 AM
Author: Gay Jap Ratface

No, schools will either change their tuition structure or raise their stipends so that they can continue to attract top students. Nobody's going to take out a loan for a top CS PhD when they can go cop a SV job for $200k instead.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738764)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:20 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

People make that calculation now and still choose CS phd. We’re taking $1mm in lost earnings for just 5 years. It’s not a hard $$$ calculation for most people. You get a phd because you’re passionate about the scholarship. A career in industry will always be more lucrative than research

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738783)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 3:18 PM
Author: stirring factory reset button base



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34741142)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:03 PM
Author: Excitant theater stage

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34744399)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:56 AM
Author: Infuriating Umber Point Private Investor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738617)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 3:24 PM
Author: stirring factory reset button base



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34741212)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:02 PM
Author: thirsty boyish site psychic

Yeah, make tuition 250k per year but give everyone except rich kids full rides

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34744392)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:06 PM
Author: glittery insecure meetinghouse athletic conference

most people i've talked to think the answer is "no" or at least "not very simply"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34744413)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:49 AM
Author: Cream really tough guy corner

http://100rsns.blogspot.com/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738561)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:51 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

CMU ML phd remains worthwhile

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738575)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:52 AM
Author: beady-eyed kitchen toaster

Grad school has morphed into a Boomer scam so breaking that racket would be a good thing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738590)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:53 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

CS PhDs are a boomer scam?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738595)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:59 AM
Author: beady-eyed kitchen toaster

Well, about half of them have no job or just a shitty post-doc a year after graduating:

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/technology/technology/2014/07/STEM_phd_charts/Spreadsheet_Computer_Science.xls

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738638)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:01 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

It is exceeding easy for someone with that degree to get a programming job. They’re probably holding out for a teaching gig. Most have to settle. I highly doubt these grads are unemployed long-term

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738652)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:04 AM
Author: beady-eyed kitchen toaster

It's easy for literally anybody who knows programming to get a programming job. People get CS Ph.Ds because they want teaching or research gigs, or some kind of big career boost. If most aren't getting that, it's scammy in the same way law is scammy even though thousands of ppl cop biglaw every year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738681)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:06 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

CS Phd increases earning power as a programmer dramatically. The types of jobs the person who flamed our of academia would get pay higher than teaching and research jobs. Not really a “scam”. Silly to compare to law where so many people flame out of the industry completely and are left with enormous debt either way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738696)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:24 AM
Author: beady-eyed kitchen toaster

How much does a CS Ph.D increase earning power compared to a programmer with 4-6 extra years of industry experience? I'd guess it's less than you think (though accurate pay numbers are harder to find than employment stats).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738808)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:28 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

I’ve worked with and hired PhDs and non-phds for programmer jobs, so Im probably more familiar with hiring practices than you are. Even at the startups I worked at, the difference was at least $50 an hour. Someone working at a large company with a background in ML would start at at least $150k+. It’s a big, big difference in expertise especially with more complex topics like ML. Google can’t hire a BSCS JavaScript monkey to do that kind of high end work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738827)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:35 AM
Author: beady-eyed kitchen toaster

So you only have anecdotal information? Okay.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738892)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:39 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

You should thank me for taking the time to explain something basic about an industry you know nothing about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738912)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 11:02 AM
Author: beady-eyed kitchen toaster

"I have absolutely no data but I totally remember that at some places (which I won't name) some Ph.Ds got paid more than non-Ph.Ds."

Oh what amazing explanation. Anecdotes are useless in this case, because they can always be countered. Google "CS PHD salary" and one of the top results is this guy who basically says a Ph.D has little value in private industry besides a small salary bump over a masters:

http://blog.vivekhaldar.com/post/29296581613/what-is-life-like-for-phds-in-computer-science-who

Of course some Ph.Ds get great jobs. Some become professors, too. What matters is the overall picture, which is that most of them are targeting academia but not getting it (hence the high no-jerb/postdoc stats). With CS they can at least get industry jobs, but it's not obvious they get much better jobs than people with a masters or simply many extra years of work experience.

And keep in mind that if you're smart enough to get into a legit Ph.D program, you're probably smarter than the average undergrad and therefore could expect to beat the average result from simply entering the workforce.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34739094)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 11:08 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

So now you’ve moved from “CS PhD is a scam like law school!” to “the outcomes may not be marginally better than someone who only has an MS”. Except the person with the MS likely paid out the ass and the PhD was free with a stipend. Doesn’t sound like a scam. Sounds like a calculated risk some smart people may make for a shot at academia or some elite high paying industry or finance role (many of these will ONLY hire PhDs) and probably shouldnt be punished for.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34739125)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 11:20 AM
Author: Supple godawful potus community account

Unless they're seeking some very specific skill, most of those industry and finance jobs also hire very bright undergrads.

If you're the kind of person who can get an offer from BIGTECH, a top startup, quant hedge funds, whatever out of undergrad, doing a PhD is pointless.

And if you can't get those jobs then, you won't get one armed with a PhD either. Their interviews are effectively IQ tests.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34739220)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 11:24 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

most hedge funds won’t even talk to non-PhDs because they have the pick. A lot of these quant positions are actually research positions and require the ability to create original research, being a great coder out of UG doesn’t have much to do with that. Other places have regulations that require a PhD in certain roles, research etc.. I agree that’s a pretty small % tho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34739251)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 11:33 AM
Author: Supple godawful potus community account

Don't places like Jane Street hire MIT kids out of undergrad and train them to do research? Maybe it's not that common.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34739330)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 11:35 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

Yeah they are an exception. Most smaller funds need people who are ready to go

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34739344)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 11:22 AM
Author: beady-eyed kitchen toaster

I didn't say it was "a scam like law school." I used law school as an analogy to relate the fact that individual success stories don't prove the whole program is legitimate. Work on your logical reasoning, bub.

Also, literally any scammy academic program, even in the humanities, could be described as a "calculated risk" for "a shot at academia." What matters is that academia is getting more costly (directly or indirectly, via taking longer, etc) while having declining upside. Even you should agree that a CS Ph.D is a worse bet than it was a decade ago.

And to take a step back, I initially just described "grad school" writ large as a scam. You're the one obsessively focusing on CS, which I've already acknowledged as the least scammy Ph.D right now. The fact that even CS shows scammy trends should be extremely worrisome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34739232)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 11:13 AM
Author: Supple godawful potus community account

It's much less than you'd think, especially if you compare cohorts where both could have completed a PhD.

CS PhD probably makes more than some mediocre CS BS from a bad school, but no better than an MIT/Stanford/CMU/etc. BS with experience. In fact I bet the PhD makes even less than his elite BS peers because PhDs tend to scoff at boring "commercial" work that can pay more.

The main reason people do PhDs is so they can work on more interesting research roles like machine learning or creating new programming languages.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34739169)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 11:17 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

I think this is the stronger point tbh. Why discourage the few people who actually enjoy studying CS? It’s kind of important to compete with China. This just seems dumb on many levels to me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34739195)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 11:30 AM
Author: Supple godawful potus community account

Seems like the schools can solve this by reducing graduate school tuition costs for research programs, having grants go directly to departments instead of students, etc.

Also not really sure why someone receiving something of value in exchange for labor shouldn't pay tax in the first place.

I'd rather have this policy and let government subsidize actually useful PhDs later instead of giving a tax cut to Feminist & Queer Theory Studies types.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34739303)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 3:21 PM
Author: stirring factory reset button base



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34741176)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:01 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle arrogant cuck alpha

academia is a scam

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738650)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:04 AM
Author: haunting address lettuce

humanities/social science phds aren't the majority of degrees being awarded

breaking up the humanities scam should be the least of our worries considering how small the problem is. if people want to throw their lives away at an English PhD who cares? making life harder for STEM phds in no way benefits society. It's a monumentally stupid fucking idea.

Plus this would deter the more savvy students, not the idiots willing to take out loans

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738679)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:08 AM
Author: beady-eyed kitchen toaster

Ph.D job prospects in every STEM field have gotten substantially worse in the past 15 years. There is a clear Ph.D glut and, just like the lawyer oversupply, that's a bad use of human capital.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738704)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:11 AM
Author: haunting address lettuce

Again: who fucking cares? The overabundance of PhDs does not mean that we should make it harder for people in ANY field to get one (or really be involved in legislating it at all). I have plenty of STEM PhD friends and while they wouldn't all do it again most would, and most are doing things that benefit society more than anyone here (to varying degrees). Favoring something that will reduce the amount of smart people getting STEM PhDs just because of the "academia scam hehe" PhD market in some fields is a pretty petty fucking way to look at things. STEM PhDs is one of our last holdouts for legitimately stealing foreign talent as well.

Plus the policy itself makes no goddamn sense. Should undergrad scholarships be taxed as well? Financial aid?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738727)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:13 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738732)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:15 AM
Author: Gay Jap Ratface

Yes, actually.

Tuition should be lowered across the board for everyone and this will put pressure on schools to do that, rather than giving out tax-free waivers to certain people for this and that and charging everyone else $50k a year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738745)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:22 AM
Author: haunting address lettuce

Yeah, that's not what would happen (nor does it even really make sense). Kids on financial aid would just ignore schools if they cost 30k instead of 50k. And enough kids pay 50k that schools would rather take a marginal hit in enrollment than to drastically lower tuition.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738796)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:29 AM
Author: Gay Jap Ratface

That's fine, they should ignore them and attend public schools they can actually afford.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738832)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:30 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

It’s the tax that’s the problem

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738842)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:33 AM
Author: haunting address lettuce

Except it's still cheaper to go to an Ivy at full finaid even being taxed than a state school. It would change nothing in the case of undergrad beyond taxing college students on scholarships.

This is literally nothing but a money grab in an area he thought would go unnoticed.

LOL at your pipe dream that this tax is what lowers the cost of education. It won't, at all, it will only spike the cost for people receiving tuition assistance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738869)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:34 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738884)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:35 AM
Author: Gay Jap Ratface

If Ivies want to give out more aid to cover the tax, they're free to do so. They can certainly afford it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738890)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:38 AM
Author: haunting address lettuce

You realize that would very likely result in *higher* base tuition to offset even greater financial aid?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738907)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:50 AM
Author: Gay Jap Ratface

I think would more likely just result in proportionally fewer people getting aid at private colleges.

I'm just not seeing the problem here. We have an income tax. If you agree to receive some money, for whatever reason, that money gets taxed.

The only reason this is an issue is because we have a stupid system where colleges are inflating their prices for some people, while for others, pretending to charge them inflated prices and then paying it right back to them tax-free due to the current loophole. If they want to price-discriminate, there at least shouldn't be tax incentives for it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738994)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:07 PM
Author: haunting address lettuce

If I get a discount from a friend at his furniture store because I'm a chill bro, should that be taxed? It isn't a "tax incentive" not collect income tax on discounted tuition. The way it is done in the first place (you get a charge, then the grant pays for X amount charge) is presumably primarily for accounting purposes and because it's easier to track than adjusting the price for each individual student.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34740511)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:19 PM
Author: Gay Jap Ratface

Then it should be no big deal to bring their accounting in line with reality. We have computers now.

But maybe there is some law against colleges charging different prices for the same program. If so, they'll need to figure out something else.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34740586)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:32 AM
Author: beady-eyed kitchen toaster

Anecdotes about your friends are worthless compared to hard data, which makes it clear that Ph.D programs are increasingly scams run by universities that do not give students good prospects for achieving the jobs they entered the programs hoping to get. There is a vast oversupply of Ph.Ds compared to vacant academic jobs, and the salary gains in private industry are not as clear.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738861)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:36 AM
Author: haunting address lettuce

Again, what is not clear is that TAXING PHDS MAKES ANY FUCKING SENSE. Having STEM PhDs in general is a net good for America and one of the few things were still good at. Plus, it's a hilariously dumb solution in that it discourages the *smart* kids willing to take up loans from going in the first place.

You have some passionate boner about the PhD scam and see anything that affects PhDs negatively in a positive light instead of making any reasonable consideration of the policy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738898)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:41 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

This guy literally thinks CS PhDs are unemployable “scams” comparable to JDs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738926)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 11:10 AM
Author: beady-eyed kitchen toaster

I never said they were unemployable. I just pointed out they have a substantial unemployment rate a year after graduating, just like law grads. CS Ph.Ds are less of a scam than JDs simply because they're less likely to destroy your life, but it doesn't seem obvious that they dramatically boost lifetime earnings, and the shot at academia is a coin-flip at best. That's getting into scammy territory, and that's bad when CS is the best STEM program (all the other fields are worse).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34739141)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 11:15 AM
Author: Trip bull headed bawdyhouse becky

lol, so we should have a glut instead of sorely unprepared people doing "just start a business!!!"?

unlike a JD a STEM PhD actually is a door opener. you can do finance, VC, law, all kinds of shit. and when the boomers finally die off, academic and research jobs will return.

deterring this is just pandering to the dumb, white base. "AHM NOT SMART ENUFFF FOR THIS SSSO U CANT DO IT EIVER!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34739182)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 11:33 AM
Author: beady-eyed kitchen toaster

Flawed in several respects:

1. There's no obvious reason to believe people are "sorely unprepared" with only a BA, or well-prepared because they have a Ph.D. If UG education is that useless it's a crisis in its own right, because expecting ppl to attend school until they're 30 to have a good career is absurd.

2. Not getting a Ph.D does not imply the only alternative is "just start a business."

3. The Boomers are dying off right now, and thanks to the glut of Ph.Ds they are being replaced by low-paid contingent faculty, many of whom work only part time: https://www.aaup.org/sites/default/files/Faculty_Trends_0.pdf

4. Of course a STEM Ph.D can get jobs in various fields. But so can a smart BA holder who actually plans out what he wants to do.

Generically promoting "more education" in all cases is how we created this preposterous inefficient system in the first place.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34739336)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:48 PM
Author: Cream really tough guy corner

College dropout millionaire lecturing you on the importance of graduate school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34740864)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:54 AM
Author: Slimy Emerald Cruise Ship Masturbator

Grad school is a much bigger scam than law, so this kind of deterrent will help rebalance supply and demand for phds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738602)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:55 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

So making it impossible for middle class Americans to pursue a CS phd is a good thing? Why not just pull funding from non-stem phd programs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738612)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:59 AM
Author: Slimy Emerald Cruise Ship Masturbator

Yes, because the government “access to education” free money machine has inflated college tuition to a point that stopped making sense even 15 years ago. It’s a government backed bubble which won’t pop until government stops funneling them the juice

The idea that education is the ticket to upward mobility stopped being true several years ago. We need a correction, and a correction always hurts.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738639)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:03 AM
Author: Orange pocket flask station

100% cr. also don't forget the HILARIOUS juxtaposition of "we're just trying to pay our grad students a living wage!" (of $32,000) with "grad students are cheaper even than dogshit adjuncts, so who will teach our courses?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738672)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:03 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

Social engineering through regressive tax policy. Definitely not what I voted R for.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738675)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:05 AM
Author: Slimy Emerald Cruise Ship Masturbator

(Asian manlet getting his PHD in Public Administration)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738685)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:07 AM
Author: self-absorbed curious state

Shitlib usury, that's REAL conservatism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738702)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:19 AM
Author: mind-boggling kitty



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738774)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:20 AM
Author: mind-boggling kitty

No one believes you voted R

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738780)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:23 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

because I don’t support tax increases? Lol ok. I have a much longer history as a Trumpmo here than you do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738802)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:38 AM
Author: Vibrant fantasy-prone telephone school

stop whining

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738910)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:44 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

“Stop whining! We just want to increase your taxes by a little bit!!!”

Lol reptiles are socialists now. Libs are puritans. Cartoon world

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738946)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 8:55 PM
Author: Light Stubborn Library



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34744349)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 9:15 AM
Author: Primrose mad-dog skullcap orchestra pit

Why should tuition waivers be exempt from income tax? Should income for lawyers also be exempt? You are asking for the special rule, so try to justify it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34747061)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:15 AM
Author: haunting address lettuce

"Yes, because the government “access to education” free money machine has inflated college tuition to a point that stopped making sense even 15 years ago."

How does PhD funding inflate college tuition?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738746)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:02 AM
Author: beady-eyed kitchen toaster

STEM programs are less of a scam than humanities but still very scammy.

Also, you ignore an alternative option, which is that schools should sack up and pay a higher stipend to offset. This would be a good development because a major issue is a general oversupply of Ph.Ds and this would counteract that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738661)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:09 AM
Author: Gay Jap Ratface



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738713)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:12 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

STudents will just take out loans to pay the tax

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738729)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 11:06 AM
Author: beady-eyed kitchen toaster

Your OP is that the tax bill makes grad school "impossible" so I'm not sure how that squares with this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34739120)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:03 AM
Author: Lascivious Out-of-control Old Irish Cottage

Science PhD tuition is flame. They’ll just stop charging it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738670)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:18 AM
Author: Nofapping hall

Yeah. I have no idea why everyone in my program was 'gifted' $40k/year in tuition to attend no classes, but it's how it was set up.

I think this is more a tax/accounting issue than anything else.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738763)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:30 AM
Author: Lascivious Out-of-control Old Irish Cottage

It allows them to collect more NIH/NSF training grant money. Those cover tuition often times, the institutional ones are big but not big enough to offset the negative of massive tax fuckery.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738839)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 11:17 AM
Author: Trip bull headed bawdyhouse becky

so making this stipend tax move in parallel with slashing NIH/NSF funding and while state legislatures remove virtually all funding for public schools seems like a great idea

oh, and donations to schools to fund endowments won't be deductible now either

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34739198)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 12:08 PM
Author: beady-eyed kitchen toaster

Maybe these schools should try cutting back diversity departments to save money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34739599)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 12:13 PM
Author: Trip bull headed bawdyhouse becky

nice to see the "BBBUT..BBUTT..BUT>..CHICAGO!!111!!!" argument has morphed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34739624)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:08 AM
Author: startling plaza affirmative action

"grad school" is a mechanism for lining the pockets of education-industrial complex participants, not a mechanism for "moving up in the world"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738707)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:09 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

Only if you choose the wrong subject

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738711)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:18 AM
Author: startling plaza affirmative action

people who choose the wrong subject are necessary to fund the scam.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738758)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:19 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

People in the right subject often get industry fellowships etc. I do t think English phd money is funding stem programs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738771)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 12:10 PM
Author: beady-eyed kitchen toaster

Guess those industries can increase stipends to offset the tax hit, then.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34739609)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:16 AM
Author: aromatic electric furnace space

Schools would just need to eliminate PhD tuition or give the student a full scholarship not tied to performing TA/research work. Then give the $30k stipend for TA/Research.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738748)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:17 AM
Author: Gay Jap Ratface

Yeah, this is the real answer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738755)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:18 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

What is the point of the tax if no one is going to pay it? Are they just using this to “balance” the bottom line?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738761)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:22 AM
Author: mind-boggling kitty

It's not a "new tax". They are removing a dumb exclusion which prevents what is otherwise normal income from being taxed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738790)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:22 AM
Author: Gay Jap Ratface



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738795)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:25 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

Call it whatever you like. They say Obamacare isn’t a tax either.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738812)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:29 AM
Author: startling plaza affirmative action

actually they say Obamacare is a tax.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738833)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:31 AM
Author: Lascivious Out-of-control Old Irish Cottage

Depends who they is

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738848)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:25 AM
Author: Bonkers location



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738815)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:19 AM
Author: Odious Gas Station Crotch

1. Lower grad school tuition to something reasonable like 10k.

2. If the labor of your grad students is so essential, use your multibillion dollar hedge fund called an endowment to pay them a salary, out of which they can pay the taxes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738767)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:31 AM
Author: Mint stage

this

College admins are ran by Jews now anyway, fuck em

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738855)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:33 AM
Author: Bonkers location

The are going after he private college endowments as well -‘18000000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738863)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 11:16 AM
Author: Sick Pervert

100% CR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34739184)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 3:26 PM
Author: stirring factory reset button base



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34741227)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:24 AM
Author: passionate business firm blood rage

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738809)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:32 AM
Author: mind-boggling kitty

CR the shitlib menace is being destroyed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738860)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:34 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

*throws out baby with bath water*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738874)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:37 AM
Author: Bonkers location

Twist: there is no baby, Libs aborted it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738904)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:39 AM
Author: startling plaza affirmative action



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738914)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:42 AM
Author: mind-boggling kitty



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738934)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:41 AM
Author: Cowardly jewess

Lol how much of a fucking rube OP is

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738923)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:42 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

Because I’m pushing back against tax increases on the middle class right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738935)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:43 AM
Author: Cowardly jewess

Exactly right--please eat shit, you mediocre dicklicker

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738939)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:45 AM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

Don’t be mean to Paul Ryan!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34738955)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 11:01 AM
Author: Abnormal spruce locale

wow that's a hot take!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34739086)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:55 AM
Author: mind-boggling kitty

ljl.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34739043)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 11:21 AM
Author: federal sneaky criminal

a small step towards a just world

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34739226)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 11:22 AM
Author: smoky cerebral resort sweet tailpipe

Most graduated education is complete bullshit that isn't really needed to do most white collar jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34739231)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 11:31 AM
Author: slap-happy mad cow disease garrison

Post this on the grad bort if you want a more sympathetic audience. Law students don't get jack.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34739312)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:14 PM
Author: shimmering public bath tattoo

lol at grad school as a means for "moving up in the world"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34740547)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:40 PM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

state BSCS->Ivy CS PhD is STILL one of the only viable paths for a normal bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34740782)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:53 PM
Author: Gay Jap Ratface

(guy turning down CMU PhD for Dartmouth for dat IVY prestige)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34740907)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:20 PM
Author: Bright cracking genital piercing

I would be so much better off right now had Law School been "impossible" to finance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34740596)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:39 PM
Author: shimmering public bath tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34740767)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:42 PM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

CS PhD isn’t anything like law school tho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34740798)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:38 PM
Author: Exhilarant Hell Depressive

Lmfao at how MAF Charles is in this thread (because he's taking out his anger at himself for not going to grad school and working a shitty writing job).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34740750)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:45 PM
Author: beady-eyed kitchen toaster

LOL no, not going to grad school is probably the single best decision I made in my life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34740826)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:49 PM
Author: Exhilarant Hell Depressive

You're a miserable, skinnyfat, repressed homosexual. Academia would've been a perfect fit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34740875)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:05 PM
Author: glittery insecure meetinghouse athletic conference

Not really because history departments are batshit crazy shitlibs these days. What's the problem with being a writer for an extremely successful show?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34744407)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 3:32 PM
Author: cobalt razzle property police squad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34741289)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:47 PM
Author: Vigorous trailer park

Doctorates as a vehicle for social mobility are DEMENTED BOOMER FLAME -- at least with respect to Americans. What they're really used for is to circumvent the immigration system and to promote the DEMENTED BOOMER MYTH that Americans are unskilled and should be replaced en masse with cheaper, smarter workers from India (74% literacy rate), Guatemala (75% literacy rate), etc.

Of course, while there are a lot of Indians, etc., and some of them are indeed very smart, their numbers and brain advantages aren't enough to explain their DOMINANCE of the TTT STEM Ph.D scene. For example, check out the industrial engineering department at Lehigh:

http://ise.lehigh.edu/phd-students

There is not one single white (or black) American graduate student in the entire Ph.D program. And I'd be willing to be money that 90-100% of the people listed on this page are not US citizens at all. Are they the best that the world has to offer? Well, maybe -- but, as an old boss (an Indian Lehigh engineering Ph.D) told me, US citizens shouldn't bother with a Ph.D the way he had because in his case, it gave him 6 more years to get hired, but it wasn't worth the tiny pink salary bump.

Most STEM Ph.Ds (and after all, 90% are TTT) simply ABUSE cheap foreign graduate students with harsh working conditions, low pay and little mobility. The foreigners are willing to put up with it because they can earn 4-5x more here than they would as engineering grads back home. Meanwhile, American STEMbros correctly calculate that a masters is they most they'll ever need.

Don't fall for REVOLTING BOOMER FLAME about putting MORE AMERICANS IN STEM. Graduate work in STEM is largely FREE LABOR for universities and allows universities and industry to collude in PUSHING DOWN THE MARKET WAGE so that they can capture VIRTUALLY ALL THE VALUE CREATED BY RESEARCH, leaving the share to labor to be a pittance on the level of what a McDonalds manager makes. FUCK BOOMERS AND THE STEM PH.D TROLL IN THIS THREAD.

For another take on this issue from a physics prof, please see here. http://katz.fastmail.us/scientist.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34740846)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:52 PM
Author: Gay Jap Ratface

mfcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34740897)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:53 PM
Author: beady-eyed kitchen toaster



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34740912)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:58 PM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

Those are anecdotes and of course you’re free to disagree. I could find hundreds of examples of stem PhDs happy with their outcome.

But if you really believe this is a “problem” the solution is not to tax 27 yo grad students on $70k worth of income they never received. What about the people already in the program? Just fuck them right? Probably voted for Hillary anyway. It’s ridiculous bootlicking to cheer this on. You just want to watch the world burn.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34740950)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 3:02 PM
Author: Gay Jap Ratface

Nobody will end up actually paying this. Schools will either adjust how they account for PhD tuition or pay an extra stipend to cover it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34741007)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 3:06 PM
Author: Vigorous trailer park

"Those are anecdotes and of course you’re free to disagree. I could find hundreds of examples of stem PhDs happy with their outcome."

You didn't like statistics upthread, now you don't like my links (including to a lengthy essay by a physics prof who's seen it first hand). It seems that no evidence suffices for you. But let's get more systematic about the back-door immigration question:

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/07/12/new-report-shows-dependence-us-graduate-programs-foreign-students

"[F]oreign students make up the majority of enrollments in U.S. graduate programs in many STEM fields, accounting for 70.3 percent of all full-time graduate students in electrical engineering, 63.2 percent in computer science, 60.4 percent in industrial engineering, and more than 50 percent in chemical, materials and mechanical engineering, as well as in economics (a non-STEM field)."

This striking stat calls out for an explanation. In case you're unfamiliar with the pervasive abuse of H-1B visaholders, this has been extensively discussed in mainstream sources (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-h-1b-visas-have-been-abused-since-the-beginning/), and in case you're unfamiliar with the green card system, employment (as a first- or second-priority foreign national) is the main way to get a green card if you don't already have family in the USA.

There is not actually a STEM shortage in the USA (https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/03/the-myth-of-the-science-and-engineering-shortage/284359/) so the prevalence of foreign students can't be explained that way either. It's merely scab intellectual labor.

"But if you really believe this is a “problem” the solution is not to tax 27 yo grad students on $70k worth of income they never received."

Why shouldn't universities true them up if the students' work is so valuable? If universities aren't willing to do so, that shows that the universities just wanted cheap labor, which shouldn't surprise anyone who's been following the systematic shift to part-time, zero-benefits adjuncting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34741037)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 4:15 PM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

When I offer anecdotes they are derided as anecdotes, just trying to keep you honest. All of this has a simple solution, lower the number of foreigners receiving student visas. Ryan and McConnell have the power. Why don’t they do that? The answer is obvious, this has nothing to do with any of the the theories you have posited itt.

As Buck pointed out, this tax will never be collected. So why are they trying to push such a controversial plan? The point is to make it look on paper like they’re making up for the deficit created by the other cuts. This entire thing is incredibly dishonest and the fact that you’re offering some sort of 4d underwater MAGA MAGA chess theory that this is actually a genius plan that will actually *lower* tuition is sophistry of the highest order.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34741730)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 4:45 PM
Author: Vigorous trailer park

"just trying to keep you honest"

Your concern for my honesty is appreciated. As you might imagine I have some concerns about yours also ;) I guess you're just not going to talk about suppression of the market price for researchers, so I'll consider that point conceded.

"All of this has a simple solution, lower the number of foreigners receiving student visas."

Can't believe this racism here! I'm not saying foreign students shouldn't come -- I love foreigners, they're tremendous! -- I'm just saying that universities should pay market prices for their labor, and neither allow (i) credential purchasing via charging full tuition to overseas students, nor (ii) use of student slave labor in lieu of tuition, nor (iii) back-door deflation of the values of STEM credentials for Americans -- that last, something I'd have thought that someone purporting to be concerned about American STEM students would have cared more about. If the universities are purporting to bestow a credential, they should be taxed on the value transferred. And if they're bestowing something else, like an immigration benefit, let them make that argument.

"The point is to make it look on paper like they’re making up for the deficit created by the other cuts."

Agree, this is political theater. I approve mainly because I think universities' sancrosanct positions should be rattled.

As for your last sentence, I'm going to ignore your lapse into paranoid ranting if you'd like to edit it out ;)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34742033)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 4:50 PM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

Waving your hands around and screaming RACISM doesn't do much for me. it's pretty easy to reduce foreign visas to a point that actually benefits American citizens. That's what I favor. And I don't have a great memory, but I'm pretty darn sure that's what Trump ran on an a big reason why I voted for him, I sure as hell wasn't expecting tax hikes for students and home owners. I don't really care if you consider border controls to be racist or not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34742102)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 4:57 PM
Author: Vigorous trailer park

You have a lot of feelings, it seems, but no links. Thanks for sharing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34742150)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 4:58 PM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

non-responsive

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34742160)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 5:12 PM
Author: Vigorous trailer park

Right. Because you're just ranting about your personal preferences

You haven't addressed:

Most degrees are flame

Back door immigration

Glut of STEM degrees

Use of foreign grad students as scab labor

These are all key to evaluating how STEM salaries are set, the motivating commitments of institutions, the real function of the Ph.D today, the degree to which a Ph.D is beneficial and if so for what and in what tier, etc. That seems more important to me than posting zillions of times about a CMU machine learning masters.

If you want to get responsive yourself, feel free. Otherwise, good talk, later.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34742301)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 5:22 PM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

For the record, I’ve already addressed all this.

1) the solution here seems to be to tax the hell out of all grad students, useless or not. I think that’s retarded.

2) I directly addressed this. Fewer immigrants. Easy

3) the “glut” wouldn’t be a problem if we addressed the immigration issue, but you don’t want to do that directly because it’s “racists”. Lol!

4) already addressed!! But we can’t talk about immigration because of your FEELS.

The root problem of all of this is immigration, which you refuse to discus. Better to just tax grad students and the American stem academy out of existence. Americans don’t need to do stupid shit like “research”. So yeah just buzz off.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34742414)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 3:04 PM
Author: ultramarine windowlicker rehab

*inherits millions tax free with stepped up basis*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34741016)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 4:16 PM
Author: Scarlet Twisted Regret

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34741735)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 4:33 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle arrogant cuck alpha

Where is HAHAURFUCKED when we need him?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34741910)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 4:51 PM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

I don't remember him raging on machine learning PhDs from CMU

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34742109)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 4:56 PM
Author: Lascivious Out-of-control Old Irish Cottage

He raged about academia. Science isn’t exempted from those issues as a general proposition. That some disciplines may fall outside that scorn isn’t material to his message.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34742144)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 5:02 PM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

eh CS phd in ML and other useful disciplines would probably be exempted. not everything is lesbian dance theory

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34742203)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 4:58 PM
Author: well-lubricated ruddy patrolman water buffalo

not fair to the current students



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34742157)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 4:59 PM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

fuck them. they likely voted for Hillary Clinton

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34742170)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 5:15 PM
Author: Harsh Slate Step-uncle's House

wtf is unc? umc? grad school is all umc!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34742338)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 5:27 PM
Author: Provocative Charcoal Fortuitous Meteor

Cr this is a tax on rich UMC yuppie grad school libs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34742465)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 5:26 PM
Author: jet bateful jew

Oh noes! What will we do without all of our Cal State PhD candidates in Organizational Leadership?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34742453)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 5:32 PM
Author: rose narrow-minded theater

maybe schools should stop inflating tuition prices

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34742498)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 5:34 PM
Author: Mint stage

lmao @ xo nerds being this obsessed with fucking colleges and grad school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34742520)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:50 PM
Author: Deranged partner

xo ryan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34743897)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:00 PM
Author: Impressive Voyeur

as a former EE grad student who got $$$$ and never had to pay a single cent for my education (UG + grad school) I am OK with this as long as there is a carve out for real STEM majors

Even if there is no carve out I dont agree with the sky is falling rhetoric. Schools would just adjust the stipend to account for this increased tax burden and this will only fuck up bullshit majors like lib arts anyway. Most STEM grad students should be OK as they are funded by institutions with deep pockets (industry like goog/MS/FB, DARPA, Ford, DoD etc) who should be able to soften the blow by adjusting the stipend

so i rate this as a 170 move by GOP. fuck all the gender/ethnic studies PhD students

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34744378)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:04 PM
Author: Vigorous trailer park



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3804552&forum_id=2#34744402)