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What was molecular tipping point from great ape to human with free will?

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comical genital piercing nursing home
  11/21/17
I don't see conscious free will as having "injected&quo...
bespoke lemon internal respiration stage
  11/21/17
probably when social learning allowed complex behaviors to b...
Bronze sticky liquid oxygen international law enforcement agency
  11/21/17
Wow so could we freeze frame this .00001 second in time? See...
comical genital piercing nursing home
  11/21/17
i don't think thats the right framework to think about it. y...
Bronze sticky liquid oxygen international law enforcement agency
  11/21/17
It may not be a category mistake, depending on your premises
federal blood rage bawdyhouse
  11/21/17
what premises might those be? you could define a model wh...
Bronze sticky liquid oxygen international law enforcement agency
  11/21/17
Why are you assuming apes don't have free will?
federal blood rage bawdyhouse
  11/21/17
Why is he assuming humans do?
embarrassed to the bone theater stage clown
  11/21/17
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Trip Cyan Box Office Jap
  11/21/17
fair enough but point still stands....just from whatever org...
comical genital piercing nursing home
  11/21/17
stoned ape hypothesis: it happened via rapid neurogenesis wh...
Narrow-minded Mind-boggling Kitty Cat Stag Film
  11/21/17
Mckenna didn't get the message that lamarck was wrong
federal blood rage bawdyhouse
  11/21/17
BOMB THE US GOVERNMENT BOMB THE US GOVERNMENT BOMB THE US GO...
copper thriller boiling water
  11/21/17
The jump wasn’t “great ape”—>huma...
Boyish Senate
  06/01/23


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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:33 PM
Author: comical genital piercing nursing home



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:35 PM
Author: bespoke lemon internal respiration stage

I don't see conscious free will as having "injected" itself in to, or molecularly built up over time. Rather, conscious free will was always there, but the apparatus by which it interfaced with reality was still primitive. And this is true of the great apes as much as it is true for all living creatures. My belief is in consciousness as an immutable, indestructable, eternal entity that transmigrates through various life forms.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743720)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:33 PM
Author: Bronze sticky liquid oxygen international law enforcement agency

probably when social learning allowed complex behaviors to be taught, shared, and learned

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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:34 PM
Author: comical genital piercing nursing home

Wow so could we freeze frame this .00001 second in time? Seems likr there has to be an incremental, marginal moment where this change happened.

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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:36 PM
Author: Bronze sticky liquid oxygen international law enforcement agency

i don't think thats the right framework to think about it. you might say it's a category error

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743732)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:37 PM
Author: federal blood rage bawdyhouse

It may not be a category mistake, depending on your premises

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743759)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:49 PM
Author: Bronze sticky liquid oxygen international law enforcement agency

what premises might those be?

you could define a model where the tipping point was defined to be some arbitrary % of humans had some capacity, but that would be mostly meaningless

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743886)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:35 PM
Author: federal blood rage bawdyhouse

Why are you assuming apes don't have free will?

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Date: November 21st, 2017 8:21 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone theater stage clown

Why is he assuming humans do?

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Date: November 21st, 2017 8:24 PM
Author: Trip Cyan Box Office Jap



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Date: November 21st, 2017 8:23 PM
Author: comical genital piercing nursing home

fair enough but point still stands....just from whatever organism did not have free will to that which did

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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:35 PM
Author: Narrow-minded Mind-boggling Kitty Cat Stag Film

stoned ape hypothesis: it happened via rapid neurogenesis when proto-humans started eating psychedelic mushrooms (which are very common in Africa, grow out of animal shit)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743727)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:38 PM
Author: federal blood rage bawdyhouse

Mckenna didn't get the message that lamarck was wrong

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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:39 PM
Author: copper thriller boiling water

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Date: June 1st, 2023 4:22 PM
Author: Boyish Senate

The jump wasn’t “great ape”—>human. Apes and humans share a common ancestor, but humans aren’t descended from apes. There were millions of years between that common ancestor and what we are today.

Also free will is total flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#46379973)