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What was molecular tipping point from great ape to human with free will?
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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:33 PM Author: lascivious cyan reading party circlehead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743683) |
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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:35 PM Author: cerise spectacular becky pisswyrm I don't see conscious free will as having "injected" itself in to, or molecularly built up over time. Rather, conscious free will was always there, but the apparatus by which it interfaced with reality was still primitive. And this is true of the great apes as much as it is true for all living creatures. My belief is in consciousness as an immutable, indestructable, eternal entity that transmigrates through various life forms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743720) |
Date: November 21st, 2017 7:33 PM Author: Dull Meetinghouse Masturbator probably when social learning allowed complex behaviors to be taught, shared, and learned (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743691) |
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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:34 PM Author: lascivious cyan reading party circlehead Wow so could we freeze frame this .00001 second in time? Seems likr there has to be an incremental, marginal moment where this change happened. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743706) |
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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:36 PM Author: Dull Meetinghouse Masturbator i don't think thats the right framework to think about it. you might say it's a category error (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743732) |
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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:37 PM Author: Useless big patrolman It may not be a category mistake, depending on your premises (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743759) |
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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:49 PM Author: Dull Meetinghouse Masturbator what premises might those be?
you could define a model where the tipping point was defined to be some arbitrary % of humans had some capacity, but that would be mostly meaningless |
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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:35 PM Author: Useless big patrolman Why are you assuming apes don't have free will? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743719) |
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Date: November 21st, 2017 8:21 PM Author: curious native voyeur Why is he assuming humans do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34744104) |
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Date: November 21st, 2017 8:24 PM Author: Medicated senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34744118) |
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Date: November 21st, 2017 8:23 PM Author: lascivious cyan reading party circlehead fair enough but point still stands....just from whatever organism did not have free will to that which did (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34744114) |
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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:35 PM Author: Mentally impaired multi-colored nursing home selfie stoned ape hypothesis: it happened via rapid neurogenesis when proto-humans started eating psychedelic mushrooms (which are very common in Africa, grow out of animal shit) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743727) |
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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:38 PM Author: Useless big patrolman Mckenna didn't get the message that lamarck was wrong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743765) |
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Date: June 1st, 2023 4:22 PM Author: plum elastic band The jump wasn’t “great ape”—>human. Apes and humans share a common ancestor, but humans aren’t descended from apes. There were millions of years between that common ancestor and what we are today. Also free will is total flame. |