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Date: November 22nd, 2017 7:25 AM Author: irradiated outnumbered ticket booth
Xoxo has been very hostile to women lately. A lot of men claiming victim status.
I too have been a part of this. I get personally angry when someone gets divorce owned, or face some fraudulent allegations.
But I’m a firm believer that resentments are unhealthy, and rivalries are counter productive. Especially hatred toward women can impact my future relationship with my spouse. It is unfair that I project some prejudices on my current girlfriend based on the nasty things my soon-to-be ex-wife has done to me.
Thus I propose that we try to understand the opposite sex a little more. In this thread let’s not think about our own difficulties and their short comings, but instead list some of difficulties faced by the opposite sex, and areas where we ourselves can do better.
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 7:36 AM Author: irradiated outnumbered ticket booth
This thread is not about airing your own grievances. We have 1000 other threads that does it.
It’s about trying to understand the grievances the opposite sex might have.
Womenfolk poasters are welcomes to participate too.
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 7:59 AM Author: Primrose deep institution
contempt for childrearing and homemaking, primarily. but more broadly, just serving in a nurturing or caretaking capacity.
they have a longing for power, responsibility, success, money, credentials, traditional male status symbols. These things don't seem to make women very happy. I think it's a good thing that the women who DO enjoy these things are able to pursue them, but GC and our fraud education system have convinced women that there's a pot of gold at the end of that rainbow for ALL WOMEN and most discover it's nothing but fraud and lies and they had to completely forego a more traditional home/family route to come to that realization.
The difficulty manifests in lots of different ways. Most importantly, women are less happy than they used to be. Some are agitating for a complete reworking of our society and workplaces because they attribute their dissatisfaction to varied and nebulous forces that still need rooting out, not seeming to consider that they may never find happiness in the professional world, even if they could manage to completely feminize it (which they can't). Even still, it seems that these efforts will inevitably make workplaces less fun, less socially cohesive, and even more dreary than they already tend to be. All of this in turn makes men less happy too.
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 8:09 AM Author: startling affirmative action market
American women are in an impossible bind. Like men, but even moreso, they tend to be herd creatures. Second-wave feminism and beyond have not brought them happiness - women's happiness is in secular decline. Yet if a woman bucks the trend and announces she's a happy homewife, she'll reliably face scorn, shame, and exclusion from her social group.
As a perverse consequence, the only women comfortable in a domestic role will be masculine women, because it takes masculine traits to think independently and chase your happiness even as your peers shit on you. Masculine women, however, are the least likely to choose domesticity, or be adept at it.
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 7:43 AM Author: startling affirmative action market
Women display a quicker physiological recovery, and better interoceptive awareness, of heightened emotional states. Women use this status to provoke men into an endless series of petty, but destructive, squabbles. Women score these squabbles like a tournament, and use them to decide who is worth mating with.
This dynamic explains the bulk of the growth, decline, and fall of civilizations. Knowledge of it means little; it is hard-wired and fixed to motivational pathways not subject to top-down control. And even if some control is obtained, say by a long life and hard practice, it will mean little, because by then a new generation of young hotshots will be swaying to that sensuous siren song.
Still, women can be kind, they can be gentle, they can be sensitive and sweet and nurturing. But when a woman is any of those things, she is either spent -- her endless drive to orgasm satisfied for a few moments -- or, far more likely, perceives you as so far removed from being a threat that you've the status of a boy, or pet dog, and not a man.
I write all of this not in the spirit of antipathy, but appreciation. Men think themselves indomitable because they display impressive strength, or devise weapons of destructive force. But it is a woman - or the mirage of one - that ever stands behind the exercise of that strength, the use of those weapons.
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 3:54 PM Author: Free-loading stirring parlour faggot firefighter
do your best to reach your own self-actualization, independent of women
self-actualization for men is the exercise of power to change our surroundings and environment in order to reach our goals
self-actualization for women is attaching herself to a self-actualized man and having his babbys
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 8:32 AM Author: irradiated outnumbered ticket booth
ADVANTAGES of having a good woman (what I look for):
1. Child bearing and nurturing.
2. More restrained budget spending and more saving. I know a lot of women like spending money but some women like my mom have great money saving strategies, and enforced ruthlessly, which resulted in my parents being wealthy.
3. Forces you to have better hygiene and self-care. My first ex-wife wouldn’t let me get in bed unless I’ve showered and blushed my teeth.
4. Can keep the house clean. Women usually have higher standard in tidiness. So she will either clean it herself, or incentivize me to do more cleaning. I have no doubt married men live in more sanitary environments than single men.
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 9:02 AM Author: Overrated clown half-breed
On the surface, it seems absurd that women are so annoyed by their constant, on-demand access to sex to the extent that an unattractive man looking at a woman is "harassment."
But then I think back to when I was in my fifth or sixth year of biglaw, and I was constantly annoyed by recruiters. The legal profession is so small, and recruiters so hungry, that every time there was an opening vaguely related to what I did I would get ten calls pitching me for the same lateral job. I'm sure to a prole, "too many people trying to get me into a $250K job" would seem like an absurd complaint. And yet it was a real nuisance and would tie up my phone.
That's what men must seem like to women; sure, women like sex too, but the tenth person to hit on them that day generates negative utility.
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 9:19 AM Author: razzle harsh generalized bond headpube
I know a lot of women who have to take on almost all of the infant and early childhood responsibilities (e.g. bedtime stuff, feeding, diapers etc...). There are many, many men who think they should have nothing to do with any of this and lots of women just accept it. This happens in families where both the husband and wife work too.
This is obviously not typical somewhere like NYC but if you get out to are country, this is almost the norm.
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 11:29 AM Author: 180 mauve whorehouse elastic band
They, along with men are in a bind, the root of which is the stagnation of income and a decline in wealth for most households. You guys bitch about how educated women aren't "traditional" but you know where you find the vast majority of traditional households (dad working and mom raising the kids, taking care of the house, and setting the social calendar)? Among rich, educated households. Income and wealth are correlated with stable traditional families, not religiosity and social conservatism.
It's difficult for one income earner to make enough to provide a quality of life for his household that meets or exceeds the life that he and his wife enjoyed growing up. Only a major redistribution of wealth and the abandonment of thoroughly discredited conservative tax and budgetary policies can restore stable, traditional families.
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:33 PM Author: Know-it-all hospital
Wait, what?
I don't think you can make a blanket statement that religion and social conservatism don't correlate with stable traditional families. For one thing because they promote stable traditional families, while social liberals do not.
But just look in this country at groups like Orthodox Jews, Mormons, Amish, traditional Catholic families, etc. You are really suggesting that their belief systems do not correlate AT ALL with those groups having stable, traditional families?
I don't disagree that income and wealth will certainly help (and I'd also add income and wealth STABILITY to that), but if you're going to go down that route, then you have to at least acknowledge that the UMC and Upper Classes in this country are a very self-selected group, and posses (and pass on) traits such as intelligence, hard work, attractiveness, delayed gratification, lower levels of mental illness, etc. that help them earn higher levels of income and wealth and also help them form stable, traditional families.
I think the UMC and the Upper Class have the genes and breeding to get away with spurning religion and social conservatism -- and it's not like those groups were less likely to form stable traditional families when they were more religious and conservative (i'll bet even these groups have lost ground over the last 50-100 years as well). Whereas among the middle and lower classes, the loss of religion and social conservatism, and the values they impart, may indeed be doing a number on stable traditional families.
I also think feminism has been a disaster for this as well.
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:37 PM Author: Submissive Glittery Stag Film Indirect Expression
Why is this even so unreasonable?
Like you're posting this thread, and you're saying something that it sounds like people should be saying a lot.
But they don't. The claim this thread makes is, as far as I can tell, barely heard in the media.
But this doesn't work. You can't promote divisiveness on (gender especially) and hope your conscience doesn't nail you for it. If you work in these industries that make money off feminism and MRA, you're literally profiting by essentially making people fear the opposite sex. You're profiting from making people too scared to form relationships. It's so evil I honestly think you probably deserve Gulag if you're in these industries.
Anyway, here's just a few women's issues that are obviously real:
1. Men not caring or paying attention generally. It's ridiculous the attention gap between men and women; women read articles about "guy this" "guy that" 24/7 while men think about only male competitors and female body parts, they hardly think about womens' thoughts at all. This results in conclusions that are outrageously stupid, sometimes to the point of being offensive, like men still denying female masturbation in 2017. If you made it to 30 without realizing that women are fappin' on the daily, and several times a day, you aren't talking to your partners enough.
2. No feminine role models. Womens' pinnacle of success and achievement, as promoted by media, is identical to the male one. But obviously that's wrong because women can't keep competing in male spaces for long if she wants kids, and a lot of women do. What's the goal, the standard, the target that women should be aiming for? It's not easy to say, but why's it not being talked about? And it's ridiculously obvious that motherhood and child-rearing is a part of it, and that it's obviously a comendable if a woman can avoid having a full time job past 30.
3. Street harassment is real. Protip: if you deny this, you outself as never having had a decent looking GF. That said I don't think it should be illegal and the controversy was overblown.
4. Our society's sexual mores are wrong and cancerous. There is a kernel of truth to 'rape culture,' although it's not actually a rape culture, just an all around culture of sexual debauchery that has some rape sometimes. Unfortunately this issue can't be resolved without some element of female agency and a lifting of the ban on the word 'modesty.' Until we bring back those old evil Nazi concepts the rape rate will continue being higher than it has to be.
5. Women can have problems. This sounds crazy but if you've been to the murkier corners of the MRA-sphere, you know what I'm talking about. They basically think that all women live like royalty and can't feel emotional pain. This is obviously insane, but milder versions of the thesis occasionally get closer to mainstream hearing. A classic example is the claim that women all have tons of dating options because they are spammed with dick pics on Tinder. Yes, people believe this. While people with average-to-above IQs generally recognize that buckets of spam fucks up your message-sending as much as no matches, and that dick pics and 'wanna fuk' when you're a member of the smaller gender with the baby factory IS NOT A GOOD THING, many men think that because women don't have to do tons of hard labor, they have no problems. Newsflash for the autistic: there's a category of problems that has to do with the world intruding on your space instead of you having to work so hard to intrude on the world. It's in this "space" that many of women's problems lie. Common issues encountered in this space include pains associated with human beings growing inside you, menstruation, menopause, getting sent dick pics, etc.
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:14 PM Author: adventurous puppy
There are a significant number of guys who can't accept that a woman they work with is better than they are. If I was a woman and had to work with a guy like that who clearly just had a problem dealing with his own insecurity about his masculinity it would drive me crazy.
There are a lot of women who are terrible at quantitative reasoning, and it often leads to them underappreciating the most significant aspects of a project or contributions of a team member, and so they just look clueless and it's very hard to explain to them what they aren't getting. The worst is when they get empowered by a male superior who is also stupid at quantitative reasoning, and they can really make a mess of things. This is why a woman who is quantitatively capable, and has other traditionally female traits in terms of emotional intelligence and patience for instructing others is a hugely important resource in the modern workplace. If I was this type of woman and was not properly appreciated in my job I would also find that maddening, especially because this entire line of thought is too redpillish to openly discuss at work.
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 3:11 PM Author: white bawdyhouse
1. Most women want to have children but current life-scripts make this harder and harder to do responsibly. This is made worse by the very real biological time pressure women face, which was mentioned above.
2. I think the average woman is hurt a lot by the sexual revolution. Sure, it gives them "power" or w/e if they're hot and still young, but it creates harmful effects for any woman who prefers to reserve sex for serious relationship or who doesn't want to do degrading sexual stuff. It strikes me as rather unpleasant that many women can't go on a dinner date with a guy without wondering whether he expects them to blow him later. XO is full of guys who will drop a woman if she won't fuck after 3-4 dates; I don't think this trend is good for anybody, but I think it's worse for women.
3. GC + feminism combine to put pressure on women to do a "have it all" career + home life script that, at a minimum, is very psychologically stressful to pursue.
4. Women are probably more vulnerable to workplace drama, which is typically initiated by other women (despite harassment and the like, surveys indicate women strongly prefer male bosses overall).
5. Women are, overall, more dependent on good norms and institutions, and suffer more when these decline or become hostile. They're more likely to pursue low-value graduate degrees, more likely to have student loans (they repay them slower, too), etc. In general, I think women are more vulnerable to the many informal "scams" and life traps society sets these days.
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 3:46 PM Author: trip sooty point
When you think about it, being straight is gay. I mean, how gay is it being attracted to a woman, all pink and perfumey.
But, if you wanna be straight, shove it up another guy’s ass.
That’s straight.
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