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Should the Browns fire Hue Jackson?
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:11 PM Author: vivacious people who are hurt hell Should they fire the GM? Fire both? If so who should they hire?
couple links for consideration:
http://archive.advancedfootballanalytics.com/2009/02/fighter-pilots-and-firing-coaches.html
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21317473/sabotage-aj-mccarron-trade-cleveland-browns |
Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:13 PM Author: cobalt federal university The owner and gm need to go. They'll never get it right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748303) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:37 PM Author: Sick whorehouse fortuitous meteor Ridiculous answer but ridiculous incompetence calls for ridiculous answers.
They should not fire him, but they should fire him after next season if they don't wildly overachieve - I.e. make the playoffs. They already won't be able to find a coach. He was an idiot to go there in the first place because the absolute CEILING for these two years was two wins a season. If they let him go now, they will have to replace him with a defensive assistant from a community college in New Mexico. Remember, even before this - I don't know what, calling it a debacle is an insult to debacles - they were able to attract such stellar unknowns as Mike Pettine and Rob Chudzinzki. Imagine their pool of candidates now. |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:55 PM Author: vivacious people who are hurt hell I generally agree with this
they've had too much churn already
moreover, the roster hasn't been built to win right now anyways, its been built to win 2-3 years down the road, its silly to judge Jackson on their current W's and L's
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that said, you wonder what the process is like inside the building, and whether Jackson has let the constant L's turn the environment toxic
couple things make me wonder this
1st, has he handled Kizor well? Did they throw him into an impossible situation by starting him before he was ready? and then mess him up by jerking him in and out of the lineup?
2nd the McCarron trade? If they had done that, would that have actually been a good trade for them? Is there any rational argument for thinking McCarron would have been the long term answer there? Were they just trying to salvage a couple extra wins in a lost season, and paying a long term premium to do it? Why did they try and make that trade? Was it because Jackson was being pissy about his short term prospects and they were just trying to do something to make him happy (because that's dysfunctional long term situation if that's what it was)
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ultimately these are questions that as outsiders its hard to know, but as an insider, the owner needs to make an assessment about
they've dicked around at the QB position for a few years now, they're probably going to have the #1 pick, its probably time to quit dicking around about it, and invest in a QB of the future
has their experience with Jackson the last 2 years led them to think he's the guy they want to trust with the development of that QB? idk
its also a situation where they need to not keep tearing down the foundation every 2 years
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suggestion
either stick with Jackson
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if they think that he's not the guy they want to trust with their next QB
keep the GM, keep the defensive coordinator, pick Baker Mayfield #1 overall, hire Lincoln Riley as new head coach
invest in Mayfield with the idea that he doesn't need to learn a whole new system, or work with a whole new coach, he just needs to do what he's already done, at a graduate level, against a higher level of competition |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:58 PM Author: racy big-titted kitty location lol they've been dicking around with their QB since Testaverde. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748625) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:45 PM Author: coral stirring box office boltzmann Tbf that team is now in Baltimore and has won the super bowl a few times (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34749093) |
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Date: September 21st, 2018 11:02 AM Author: vivacious people who are hurt hell chalk one up for the Mayfield era (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#36856580) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 2:00 PM Author: Nighttime dopamine hunting ground not a ridiculous answer at all, pretty reasonable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34749265) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:01 PM Author: Concupiscible Chapel it depends on the availability of good replacements and their willingness to take the Browns job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748645) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:05 PM Author: vivacious people who are hurt hell Like the idea of making Lincoln Riley an NFL HC? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748688) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:11 PM Author: Concupiscible Chapel not really. most of the time the cfb -> nfl transition doesn't work out. they'd be better off hiring someone with instant nfl credibility to deal with young players and Josh Gordon. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748757) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:17 PM Author: vivacious people who are hurt hell fair enough
seems like most of the better offenses over the last decade have been aping college concepts
seems like might be useful to go right to the source
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I can see the risk though, I'd try and surround him with veteran NFL assistants if they did it though (start with trying to keep Gregg Williams as the DC, to give half the building some continuity)
also only like it if they think Mayfield's is definitely the guy they want to bet on
and if, after being in the same building as Mayfield for the last three years, Riley seems gung-ho about attaching the next 10 years of his career to Mayfield |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:18 PM Author: Concupiscible Chapel are you a Browns fan? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748820) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:19 PM Author: vivacious people who are hurt hell no
edit: I don't hold any ill will towards them, entirely neutral |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:21 PM Author: Concupiscible Chapel ok. was going to say that if Josh Gordon can stay clean, they will have an excellent 1-2 punch at WR position for years to come. I try to keep Browns fans optimistic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748855) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:23 PM Author: vivacious people who are hurt hell at some point they should be able to harvest all their draft picks into something reasonable
they need make sure they're not injecting picks into a toxic situation though
I'm not a believer that laundry equals destiny generally |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:27 PM Author: Concupiscible Chapel they keep fucking up the most important position in the draft and in the game. picking QB busts some years, passing on QB studs other years. they've truly been running a clinic in drafting failure. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748930) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:40 PM Author: vivacious people who are hurt hell lol, tbf when all the QBs you draft bust, and all the QBs pass turn into studs, you should at least consider the possibility that its you, not them
need to make sure they're creating a good environment for a young QB to do well in |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:29 PM Author: gay overrated lay voyeur Their defense has been OK. Real problem is Kizer is TTT (even for a rookie) and their o-line blows. Their receiving situation should improve with experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748953) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 4:33 PM Author: Sick whorehouse fortuitous meteor Josh Gordon can't stay clean. It would be absurd to expect an average 26 hr old alcoholic to stay clean forever in a stable environment, let alone to expect a guy who was literally coked up during games to stay clean in the NFL. I'd be shocked if he lasts the season, TBH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34750698) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:01 PM Author: gay overrated lay voyeur Even with a TTT roster, Jackson hasn't been a great coach and clearly isn't on the same page as the front office. Since the FO probably gets one more shot with two top-10 picks in '18, Jackson likely goes. Decent QB draft though no Manning/Luck type superprospects. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748647) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:45 PM Author: coral stirring box office boltzmann Sup andrew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34749099) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:04 PM Author: swollen aphrodisiac gaming laptop party of the first part yes, he was a cancer in Oakland and is a cancer in Cleveland and has a historically bad record (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748669) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:17 PM Author: Motley Flesh Menage Clown Hugh is 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748809) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:28 PM Author: Know-it-all office Sashi should go. The AJ McCarron stuff was insane but trading of Haden was180.
It’s a mess as usual in Cleveland but changing head coaches won’t do shit. It’s a toxic environment for coaches and they need to ride out Hue a little longer. At least give him a decent roster before making a decision. |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:45 PM Author: vivacious people who are hurt hell fair enough
what should they do with the #1 pick?
You a Mayfield fan as a pro? |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 4:34 PM Author: Sick whorehouse fortuitous meteor Iunno if Mayfield would maek it but I think Rosen is a legit #1 pick. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34750717) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:46 PM Author: coral stirring box office boltzmann Team would be .500 with manziel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34749106) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:55 PM Author: Concupiscible Chapel and undefeated with tebow, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34749212) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 2:05 PM Author: alcoholic really tough guy Tebow guarantees 6 mins a year and puts a ceiling at 9 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34749311) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 2:15 PM Author: coral stirring box office boltzmann Manziel a better passer than tebow, who is a better qb than deshone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34749389) |
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Date: November 22nd, 2017 2:06 PM Author: Up-to-no-good green parlor You know, I've always felt that ownership is vastly underrated as it relates to the success of a team.
I think a lot of this shit is just retards scuffling until you deal with the people at the top (i.e., the owners). |
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Date: December 7th, 2017 2:06 PM Author: vivacious people who are hurt hell trying to win Process style
not the recipe for long term career stability
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21699936/cleveland-browns-fire-personnel-czar-sashi-brown |
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Date: December 7th, 2017 2:07 PM Author: coral stirring box office boltzmann wtf why do this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34861688) |
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Date: December 7th, 2017 2:10 PM Author: insecure home coffee pot browns front office seemed like fags
jackson is just there until they can win a game |
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Date: December 7th, 2017 2:13 PM Author: vivacious people who are hurt hell chalk one up to Ironside's theory of 'it starts at the top' (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34861746) |
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Date: December 7th, 2017 2:29 PM Author: Up-to-no-good green parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34861917) |
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Date: December 7th, 2017 2:40 PM Author: coral stirring box office boltzmann Peyton Manning on a plane to cleveland at least (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34861998) |