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Mauve heady national sound barrier
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I go to church in my best clothes. It makes me feel like a m...
beady-eyed school
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apoplectic place of business
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I'm sure you need reminding.
infuriating thirsty locale feces
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lold
Brilliant fortuitous meteor university
  11/24/17
christians are the most gullible people on earth. thats not ...
Azure vibrant toaster
  11/24/17
Never said most of them weren't
apoplectic place of business
  11/24/17
*leans into mic* Mormons and Muzzies
Charcoal cracking address trump supporter
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Muslims literally kill themselves thinking they're getting 7...
Autistic kitty wagecucks
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ive been an atheist since i was 7.
Green Really Tough Guy Athletic Conference
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Can I be atheist but just go to church once in a while and g...
lilac lascivious faggotry preventive strike
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(richard spencer)
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Razzle submissive kitchen
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i'm an atheist but I go from time to time just to sing hymns...
Vivacious Haunting Den
  11/24/17
180
jet-lagged philosopher-king
  11/24/17
i have a really flaming gay friend who does this, even sings...
Obsidian Crotch
  11/24/17
My uber driver talked me into being a Mormon. I made an ap...
Irradiated library
  11/24/17
Yeah but Protestantism is kind of gay
Electric lodge
  11/24/17
Russian orthodoxy is very straight. Priests are all married ...
lilac lascivious faggotry preventive strike
  11/24/17
There is nothing hot about Russians. Shut your fucking mout...
Irradiated library
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mustard judgmental point
  11/24/17
slavs are subhuman and age the worst of any race
diverse honey-headed property
  11/24/17
Not remotely true. I know a bunch of hot Russian girls in t...
mustard judgmental point
  11/24/17
Russians are ugly people. they prize beauty to a retarded de...
diverse honey-headed property
  11/24/17
Oh look, a quotemo talking shit.
mustard judgmental point
  11/24/17
that's Reality Winner lol
Hairraiser hominid
  11/24/17
absolutely devastating. nothing is more pathetic than ele...
Brilliant fortuitous meteor university
  11/24/17
You seem gay
Irradiated library
  11/24/17
Compared to Russian Orthodoxy, it is all kind of gay.
mustard judgmental point
  11/24/17
That's why you are one of the ugliest people on the planet.
Irradiated library
  11/24/17
Catholicism - priests, little boys, enough said. Typical ...
mustard judgmental point
  11/24/17
Stop conflating Mandy with women
Irradiated library
  11/24/17
She's a GENETIC female!
mustard judgmental point
  11/24/17
I'll embrace it when I have kids because, well, kids. I've ...
mustard judgmental point
  11/24/17
u are 99 percent probability on the spectrum.
Green Really Tough Guy Athletic Conference
  11/24/17
Thanks captain obvious.
mustard judgmental point
  11/24/17
i thought you were a kike.
Sapphire Domesticated Location
  11/24/17
You’re a middle aged Jew with a barren shrew for a wife. Kid...
chestnut principal's office
  11/24/17
We have 9 frozen embryos and I will have you know that every...
lilac lascivious faggotry preventive strike
  11/24/17
what does AA 4-5 mean? GF I was on marriage track with he...
seedy corner cuckold
  11/25/17
These are frozen embryos, not eggs. Not sure it works the s...
mustard judgmental point
  11/26/17
Christianity is 180 but unfortunately JESUS can't keep this ...
Territorial Chartreuse Sandwich
  11/24/17
Pascal's Wager
costumed forum patrolman
  11/24/17
What's the probability god is a trickster who sends the obed...
sick hell roommate
  11/24/17
Such a universe would collapse.
adventurous brunch
  11/24/17
No man. The rewards in this life are much greater for a Chri...
apoplectic place of business
  11/24/17
Tell me more about the rewards.
Brilliant fortuitous meteor university
  11/24/17
A public forum to discuss free will, the nature of mind/soul...
apoplectic place of business
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I like not being retarded but yeah the masses definitely nee...
Passionate tanning salon
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Bro you must be getting tired of the dead end of secularism....
apoplectic place of business
  11/24/17
What do you expect me to do? Trick myself into believing? Wo...
Passionate tanning salon
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No tricks brother. The possibility that your mind is a non-p...
apoplectic place of business
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oh wow never heard this before
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apoplectic place of business
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"I'm a genius, I know god is fake!" *lives prof...
Brilliant fortuitous meteor university
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lol at this being an argument
Passionate tanning salon
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There are better religions out there. Buddhism is straight ...
red persian state
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While it shares some cr insights it is not without flaws. It...
apoplectic place of business
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Well compared to many of the other leading brands these days...
concupiscible church building regret
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How do you guys actually go about finding a church?
Brilliant fortuitous meteor university
  11/24/17
Find your parish boundaries
adventurous brunch
  11/24/17
lmao so far ITT all the naysaying poasters are literally wel...
Sinister supple temple
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Providence, actually
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Date: November 24th, 2017 3:46 PM
Author: apoplectic place of business



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763172)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 3:46 PM
Author: Mauve heady national sound barrier



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763174)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 3:59 PM
Author: beady-eyed school

I go to church in my best clothes. It makes me feel like a man.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763213)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 3:59 PM
Author: Mauve heady national sound barrier



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763216)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:30 PM
Author: apoplectic place of business



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763451)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 6:15 PM
Author: infuriating thirsty locale feces

I'm sure you need reminding.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763946)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:27 PM
Author: Brilliant fortuitous meteor university

lold

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765359)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:00 PM
Author: Azure vibrant toaster

christians are the most gullible people on earth. thats not an exaggeration

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763224)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:30 PM
Author: apoplectic place of business

Never said most of them weren't

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763453)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:42 PM
Author: Charcoal cracking address trump supporter

*leans into mic*

Mormons and Muzzies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763527)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 12:11 PM
Author: Autistic kitty wagecucks

Muslims literally kill themselves thinking they're getting 72 virgins after they die because some Sheik on a yacht fucking porn stars and little boys tells them to.

Orthodox Jews spend their entire lives focusing on following a bunch of pointless, bullshit rules that essentially destroys their lives. Non-orthodox Jews still have their shitty religion run their entire lives (see DBG).

Christians are mostly chill, normal people. Yeah, I guess we're gullible because sometimes we send $1k to charity that actually gets misused or whatever, but Muslim and Jewish charity scams are just as bad or worse.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34908656)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:37 PM
Author: Green Really Tough Guy Athletic Conference

ive been an atheist since i was 7.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763498)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:40 PM
Author: lilac lascivious faggotry preventive strike

Can I be atheist but just go to church once in a while and get my kids baptized and generally just go through the motions as long as it takes minimal effort?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763516)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:45 PM
Author: Obsidian Crotch

(richard spencer)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763540)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 5:43 PM
Author: Territorial Chartreuse Sandwich



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763807)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 12:40 PM
Author: Razzle submissive kitchen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34908873)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:41 PM
Author: Vivacious Haunting Den

i'm an atheist but I go from time to time just to sing hymns.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763522)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:44 PM
Author: jet-lagged philosopher-king

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763536)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:45 PM
Author: Obsidian Crotch

i have a really flaming gay friend who does this, even sings in the church choir, but he's an avowed atheist

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763542)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:41 PM
Author: Irradiated library

My uber driver talked me into being a Mormon. I made an appointment with a Bishop for next week. I don't think they are Christian though.

I like the part about the Native Americans being fried in Hell though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763523)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:43 PM
Author: Electric lodge

Yeah but Protestantism is kind of gay

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763529)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:45 PM
Author: lilac lascivious faggotry preventive strike

Russian orthodoxy is very straight. Priests are all married and tons of hot chicks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763543)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:47 PM
Author: Irradiated library

There is nothing hot about Russians. Shut your fucking mouth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763550)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:54 PM
Author: mustard judgmental point

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7e/99/b8/7e99b8886acfa5182d96f0791af8026f.jpg

You lose.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763591)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 5:00 PM
Author: diverse honey-headed property

slavs are subhuman and age the worst of any race

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763614)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 5:02 PM
Author: mustard judgmental point

Not remotely true. I know a bunch of hot Russian girls in their 30s and 40s. You're thinking of the old USSR where there were no gyms and everyone lived a horrible lifestyle.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763621)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 5:12 PM
Author: diverse honey-headed property

Russians are ugly people. they prize beauty to a retarded degree because they are largely ugly, run down, and they live in ugly, run down places.

a typical Russian 'babe' looks something like this

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/usa-trump_russia-leaks.jpg?quality=90&strip=all

your brainless dedication to a nation you don't belong to is hilarious. you don't fit in here so you obsess over the idea that Russia is not a degenerate shitshow that horrifies most people. you have a genetic craving to fall in line like a good little slav.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763644)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 5:34 PM
Author: mustard judgmental point

Oh look, a quotemo talking shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763763)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 5:35 PM
Author: Hairraiser hominid

that's Reality Winner lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763772)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:28 PM
Author: Brilliant fortuitous meteor university

absolutely devastating.

nothing is more pathetic than elevating a foreign culture or people like some kind of sad tiny-dicked Benedict Arnold.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765368)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:46 PM
Author: Irradiated library

You seem gay

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763547)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:48 PM
Author: mustard judgmental point

Compared to Russian Orthodoxy, it is all kind of gay.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763556)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:49 PM
Author: Irradiated library

That's why you are one of the ugliest people on the planet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763562)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:51 PM
Author: mustard judgmental point

Catholicism - priests, little boys, enough said.

Typical lutherans/anglicans/whatever - full of shitlibs these days. Ergo, kinda gay.

Russian Orthodox - a bunch of conservaheros that get married to women.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763572)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 5:13 PM
Author: Irradiated library

Stop conflating Mandy with women

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763648)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 5:34 PM
Author: mustard judgmental point

She's a GENETIC female!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763766)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:47 PM
Author: mustard judgmental point

I'll embrace it when I have kids because, well, kids. I've realized ultimately that religion is ultimately cultural and that for 99% of members of whatever faith they're all the same ("we believe in a God that loves us and did stuff for us and thinks we're better than everyone else because we're part of this religion. And after we die we go to the special happy place and our relatives are there too..."). But the cultural differences are the difference between western civ and the clusterfuck that the clusterfuck of the middle east.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763551)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:50 PM
Author: Green Really Tough Guy Athletic Conference

u are 99 percent probability on the spectrum.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763566)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:51 PM
Author: mustard judgmental point

Thanks captain obvious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763574)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 6:03 PM
Author: Sapphire Domesticated Location

i thought you were a kike.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763901)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 6:12 PM
Author: chestnut principal's office

You’re a middle aged Jew with a barren shrew for a wife. Kids? Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763934)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:03 PM
Author: lilac lascivious faggotry preventive strike

We have 9 frozen embryos and I will have you know that every SINGLE one of them is AA 4-5 expansion. Our results were top notch.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765586)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 1:06 AM
Author: seedy corner cuckold

what does AA 4-5 mean?

GF I was on marriage track with her I wanted her to freeze her eggs. Pls elaborate on everything egg freezing related

1. price

2. dyanamics with S/O

3. ratings? AA 4-5?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34766353)



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Date: November 26th, 2017 7:22 PM
Author: mustard judgmental point

These are frozen embryos, not eggs. Not sure it works the same. Costs are definitely different.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34776920)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 5:44 PM
Author: Territorial Chartreuse Sandwich

Christianity is 180 but unfortunately JESUS can't keep this bad boy from GAKKING and SUCKING lol 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763811)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 6:10 PM
Author: costumed forum patrolman

Pascal's Wager

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763925)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:11 PM
Author: sick hell roommate

What's the probability god is a trickster who sends the obedient and faithful to hell?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765204)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:21 PM
Author: adventurous brunch

Such a universe would collapse.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765685)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:12 PM
Author: apoplectic place of business

No man. The rewards in this life are much greater for a Christian. Even though this is a continent fact of our world. It could have been a different religion. But being Christian will get you places.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765214)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:29 PM
Author: Brilliant fortuitous meteor university

Tell me more about the rewards.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765375)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:03 PM
Author: apoplectic place of business

A public forum to discuss free will, the nature of mind/soul and the relationships between people

Structured communities with a group of elders and peers including girls

...

Soda and refreshments?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765583)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:03 PM
Author: Passionate tanning salon

I like not being retarded but yeah the masses definitely need this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765584)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:05 PM
Author: apoplectic place of business

Bro you must be getting tired of the dead end of secularism. They literally think your mind is identical to your brain. They refuse to speak of pain because it's "supernatural" and instead refer to "c-fiber stimulation". Secular philosophy is not good man, it's a Vulcan nightmare.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765591)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:10 PM
Author: Passionate tanning salon

What do you expect me to do? Trick myself into believing? Won't happen man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765613)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:12 PM
Author: apoplectic place of business

No tricks brother. The possibility that your mind is a non-physical substance is very real. If true this has monumental, one might say spiritual or religious, implications.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765630)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:16 PM
Author: Passionate tanning salon

oh wow never heard this before

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765664)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:17 PM
Author: apoplectic place of business



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765667)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:22 PM
Author: Brilliant fortuitous meteor university

"I'm a genius, I know god is fake!"

*lives profoundly substandard life*

"See what I mean!?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765689)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:45 PM
Author: Passionate tanning salon

lol at this being an argument

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765865)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:11 PM
Author: red persian state

There are better religions out there. Buddhism is straight up superior to all Abrahamic ones.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765619)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:15 PM
Author: apoplectic place of business

While it shares some cr insights it is not without flaws. It is more focused on denial in this life than Abrahamic traditions, for example

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765656)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:12 PM
Author: concupiscible church building regret

Well compared to many of the other leading brands these days, could a cr statement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765631)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:15 PM
Author: Brilliant fortuitous meteor university

How do you guys actually go about finding a church?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765652)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:23 PM
Author: adventurous brunch

Find your parish boundaries

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765693)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:26 PM
Author: Sinister supple temple

lmao so far ITT all the naysaying poasters are literally well-known insane ppl. did the OP just get lucky... or.... ?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765715)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:27 PM
Author: adventurous brunch

Providence, actually

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765730)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:32 PM
Author: apoplectic place of business



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765768)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 12:07 PM
Author: Sinister supple temple



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34908636)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 12:08 PM
Author: Electric lodge



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