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Date: December 13th, 2017 10:56 AM Author: dashing house tattoo We had a lunch date. She was very enthusiastic and friendly, but went on and on about her ex-boyfriend. He's a Chad and about three times my size. And apparently there are several other guys after her, too. I straight up told her she was beautiful at one point, but she laughed it off. I'm fairly certain I'm just a "nice guy" she wants to hang out with every now and then. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34907997) |
Date: December 13th, 2017 10:57 AM Author: Flesh old irish cottage lol, playing the ultra long game here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908008) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 10:57 AM Author: dashing house tattoo There's nothing I can do to fix this. She just wants Chad. Don't we all? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908015) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 10:58 AM Author: Flesh old irish cottage I'm talking about this flame, bro. this is master level ultra long flame. it's like a crockpot at this point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908017) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 10:58 AM Author: dashing house tattoo It's not flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908024) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 10:59 AM Author: Flesh old irish cottage (crockpot bubbles slightly) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908029) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:43 AM Author: Aromatic alcoholic gunner ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908451) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 12:46 PM Author: Green cuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908925) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 1:11 PM Author: Transparent blathering location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34909161) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 6:35 PM Author: exciting skinny woman alpha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34912023) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 9:22 PM Author: dashing house tattoo Whatever (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34913255) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 12:48 PM Author: Obsidian stirring rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908941) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 10:57 AM Author: Fragrant orchid parlor dingle berry Sad! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908010) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 10:57 AM Author: Slate provocative kitty property Evan I am confused. Usually once you make the big leap to dick, women and their sick games & tricks can be totally ignored. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908012) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 10:58 AM Author: dashing house tattoo I'm in uncharted territory here. She actually asked me out for lunch and I was totally blown away. But my ex-boyfriend blah blah blah haha :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908023) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 7:39 PM Author: curious trump supporter home (Emotional tampon) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34912403) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 10:59 AM Author: chrome aphrodisiac legal warrant heaven (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908032) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 10:59 AM Author: brindle cruise ship You have to cut to it, Evan.
ENTIRELY MANUFACTURE a role for yourself as a don juan player, and then act as if you are that character. MAke eye contact, and hold it, and suggest that you like her and would like to get to know her better over drinks. DO NOT tell her she's pretty or any of that crap.
Do the roleplay thing. Trust me, it will work. |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 10:59 AM Author: brindle cruise ship Also, tell her to stop talking about another dude. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908036) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:03 AM Author: dashing house tattoo I told her he sounded like a big dumb idiot but she said he's like SO NICE and also VERY SWEET
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:03 AM Author: brindle cruise ship tell her to stop talking about another dude. She knows shes not supposed to do that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908079) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 10:59 AM Author: soul-stirring stage :/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908030) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 10:59 AM Author: Underhanded seedy idea he suggested state some women are dumb enough to think games like that work go for a drink next, then you will know |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:00 AM Author: dashing house tattoo Oh, and she has daddy issues. Likes "older guys" and so on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908041) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:01 AM Author: brindle cruise ship Stop. Getting. Friendzoned!
Why should you care about any of that until AFTER you've at least made a move. Aint nobody paying you for that shit. |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:44 AM Author: Aromatic alcoholic gunner ceo Her digits? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908466) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 6:34 PM Author: Copper useless brakes *ahem*
Who predicted this exactly, even using the term "daddy issues," in your first thread about her?
*raises hand*
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3816751&forum_id=2#34847242 |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:06 AM Author: Ruddy theatre private investor don’t let her talk about him anymore. you gotta grab her hand and look sternly into her eyes next time and say “baby there’s only one faggot you should be thinking about right now, and it’s not him.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908095) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:06 AM Author: dashing house tattoo Yeah, it was pretty surreal at times. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908108) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:08 AM Author: soul-stirring stage oooooooooooof (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908117) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:44 AM Author: Ocher antidepressant drug point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908463) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:45 AM Author: Aromatic alcoholic gunner ceo 180
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Date: December 13th, 2017 12:49 PM Author: Obsidian stirring rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908949) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 5:45 PM Author: apoplectic travel guidebook plaza meeeeow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34911601) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 6:37 PM Author: exciting skinny woman alpha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34912033) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:07 AM Author: Diverse Confused Crotch Resort Protip: She knows you're homo. The prancing gave it away.
She's a fag hag who wants you to paint her nails and go shopping with her. |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:09 AM Author: brindle cruise ship too early to tell.
But if that's what she thinks, all the more reason to dispel any such notions.
MAke the move--it will be really good for you on all sorts of levels. |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 6:37 PM Author: exciting skinny woman alpha (guy who has been in a coma the last few weeks) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34912037) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:09 AM Author: dashing house tattoo There was no prancing of any kind. I wanted to rail this chick, and instead we're sitting there talking about some guy who has been texting her all night. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908128) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:12 AM Author: brindle cruise ship do what I told you.
Look, I have every reason in the world to hold back and although I'm not gay I frequently found my interactions with women to tart to go down the same road. You have to get off the road, re-set. play a character until you get things where they need to be. |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 7:42 PM Author: Ocher antidepressant drug point Unduly harsh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34912427) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:10 AM Author: Flesh old irish cottage so, playing along with crockpot flame, you're a skinny twink groceryfaggot living in the pacific northwest and meet this chick for lunch, not drinks, and you're surprised she rants about her ex boyfriend the whole time?
shitlib women in today's cultural hellscape all want a gay "ZOMG BESTIE" to listen to them rant and function as their emotional cum dumpster. it's a trendier fashion accessory than the Cayenne their 70 year old SA daddy bought them last week.
sorry bro, you are nothing more than an emotional Coach bag to her.
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:12 AM Author: dashing house tattoo I know. This is not the outcome I wanted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908164) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:14 AM Author: Flesh old irish cottage hit the escape button. don't be that kind of gay. be the gay all of us want to be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908176) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:36 AM Author: Hyperventilating Principal's Office Kitty Cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908373) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:19 PM Author: Electric chestnut tanning salon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34909784) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 5:52 PM Author: Marvelous Angry Coffee Pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34911670) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 7:18 PM Author: Ocher antidepressant drug point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34912262) |
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Date: December 14th, 2017 7:26 AM Author: Mahogany submissive mental disorder it's the outcome u deserve u fucking queen! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34915864) |
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Date: December 14th, 2017 7:28 AM Author: dashing house tattoo How dare you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34915871) |
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Date: December 14th, 2017 7:30 AM Author: Mahogany submissive mental disorder shut the fuck up u fucking nasty faggot!
u literally couldn't get laid w/ a hot slutty girl who asked YOU out. it's no wonder you fail even to get teh chance to suck off CHAD as a servile BJ-slave.
u must be extremely short, twinky, ugly, and poor given that ur basically incel.
think about that faggot. think abt it. |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 12:46 PM Author: Shaky meetinghouse "emotional Coach bag" is an awful outcome in life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908923) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:16 AM Author: dashing house tattoo And you know what's so weird? I'm not a nice guy. But she thinks I am, and that's enough to send me to the friend zone for life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908191) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:18 AM Author: Thirsty Sinister Indirect Expression youre psyching yourself out. she doesnt think youre a friend, she wants your cock and is wondering when you'll be man enough to take it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908207) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:19 AM Author: dashing house tattoo Explain her behavior and comments. I did not go to lunch to talk about Chad and how he's "so sweet" despite being an abusive loser. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908212) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:21 AM Author: Thirsty Sinister Indirect Expression she's trying to make you jealous, while also giving you a roadmap to her vajajay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908235) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:30 AM Author: dashing house tattoo Hmmm interesting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908309) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:38 AM Author: Vivacious Emerald Juggernaut Lodge Yeah, either that or she wants a MMF threesome. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908397) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 5:44 PM Author: dashing house tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34911594) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 4:28 PM Author: talented lavender new version ape If you want to play emotional Coach bag, you can get gory details about her sex life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34911005) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:34 AM Author: talented lavender new version ape I agree.
And ask her out for a drink |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 12:23 PM Author: domesticated opaque round eye Grab her by the pussy. They let you do it! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34908715) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:21 PM Author: clear disgusting boltzmann send lick msg and let do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34909808) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:39 PM Author: Thirsty Sinister Indirect Expression this might actually be cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34910031) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 5:45 PM Author: Impressive people who are hurt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34911606) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 11:26 PM Author: Ocher antidepressant drug point they work together man! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34914335) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 5:45 PM Author: Sadistic excitant quadroon arent you gay? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34911596) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 5:46 PM Author: dashing house tattoo ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34911613) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 5:46 PM Author: dashing house tattoo What really pissed me off was hearing how all these other guys are constantly hitting on her and trying to defile her. I was getting angry at one point, and actually said I would kill one of them. She was like, "Haha you don't have to do that," but I was serious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34911608) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 5:46 PM Author: soul-stirring stage uhm.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34911614) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 6:39 PM Author: exciting skinny woman alpha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34912045) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 5:52 PM Author: Slate provocative kitty property Evan please abandon this flame you are asking too much of us (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34911673) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 5:53 PM Author: dashing house tattoo It's not flame, faggot. I'm still pissed off about all of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34911686) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 5:55 PM Author: Slate provocative kitty property pls reconsider. thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34911709) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 5:56 PM Author: dashing house tattoo You nerds think everything is "flame" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34911718) |
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Date: December 14th, 2017 10:59 AM Author: Aromatic alcoholic gunner ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34917226) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 5:47 PM Author: Self-centered Twinkling Uncleanness Garrison Jesus fucking Christ. Are you a fagg0t or something?
The chick wanted to make you jealous. Wanted to tell you that she's wanted by others. BUT SHE WAS FUCKING HAVING LUNCH WITH YOU. And she fucking asked YOU out.
No wonder you don't get laid even though you're gay. You're a fucking autist.
WHERE THE FUCK IS THE BEEP BEEP BEEP? |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 5:49 PM Author: dashing house tattoo Let me do it: BEEP BEEP BEEP
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Date: December 14th, 2017 7:28 AM Author: Mahogany submissive mental disorder whoa, CR friend! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34915872) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 6:20 PM Author: dashing house tattoo I still want her unnngh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34911897) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 6:21 PM Author: brindle cruise ship so get in there! *smacks you on your ass* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34911904) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 6:22 PM Author: dashing house tattoo I can do it coach!
*runs through solid wall of Chads to get the girl* |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 6:40 PM Author: Impressive people who are hurt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34912047) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 6:42 PM Author: dashing house tattoo Sounds cr friend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34912064) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 7:15 PM Author: Thirsty Sinister Indirect Expression (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34912245) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 7:25 PM Author: canary stead milk Just tell her the truth. Tell her you're gay, but that you find her so attractive that she's essentially made you straight. Tell her she'd be your first. (other than your sister). I'm guessing some chicks could dig that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34912302) |
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Date: December 13th, 2017 9:31 PM Author: dashing house tattoo I'm debating whether I should text her or not. I don't want her to start babbling about her ex again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827439&forum_id=2#34913317) |
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