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Not enough SCHOLARSHIP on "Titanic" phenomenon as last gasp of USA

The movie, in sum, was about the birth of the American centu...
(O)||||||(O)
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Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
Muscadine wine
  12/13/17
need some time to process this
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Sticky, and still cleaning up the mess!
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reading way too much into this. she just wanted chad cock
Maori woman performing defiant haka
  12/13/17
why was it made when it was made? cameron could have made th...
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scholarship
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hmmm
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Driving back in silence from retirement home
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interesting
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The Manafort Predicament that Angered Trumpmos
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CR. People were making repeated viewings of a 3+ hour movie....
cannon
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not people. just millennial girls
deus vult
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Scholarship
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engineers AND family men!
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Avatar was the death knell imo
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Bin Laden reading this thread: haha wow holy shit even the s...
Poast Malone
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I'd say it was the Civil War. Spanish-American war confirmed...
twins
  12/20/17
Tbf, there has been plenty of scholarship that everything si...
Upset Jew
  12/20/17
hot take but the matrix still takes this
deus vult
  12/20/17
Weird how death of innocence in a country perfectly maps on ...
twins
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legit critique, but akin to saying, "you think hosting ...
(O)||||||(O)
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I agree it is unsound to argue "because others have pre...
twins
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see this is the kind of scholarship I requested in my OP. br...
(O)||||||(O)
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Just to put a cap on things --- I would argue every generati...
twins
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trenachant as ever, but he's referencing the specific death ...
A Jurisprudence is Performed
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Thank you for the compliment of "trenchant as ever.&quo...
twins
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Scholarship. People also forget the African embassy bombings...
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Counterpoint: XO launches in 2004
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Sticky, and still cleaning up the mess!
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god dammit
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1997 was also when they began filming "The Sopranos&quo...
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Date: December 13th, 2017 9:53 PM
Author: (O)||||||(O) (Game of)

The movie, in sum, was about the birth of the American century. This massive feat of modernity sailing from the old world to the new. Rose Dewitt Bukater trapped in the sick and dying 19th century european culture, yearning to break free into the 20th century of midwestern America cock and strength. When she looks back at Europe, from the back of the ship, she is suicidal. When she leans forward towards New York, she is flying. The TWIST of the story, of course, is that the glorious result of striving towards America is that the ship sinks anyway and all is lost. She ends up *back* on the fucking stern as it all sinks.

So it's really about the 20th C as a whole. Why do you think it exploded so spectacularly in 1997 and 1998? People knew. People felt it. Even the fucking Celine Dion song is a dirge. People in 1997 and 1998 already knew that this grand titanic experiment was sinking and dying, just as Europe had before us. If you were too young to know, this was more than a movie, it swallowed all of pop culture.

The planes did not hit until 2001, but already by the time of "Titanic" there was already the feeling in the air that we were all about to die young. It's no wonder there has been no coherent sense of culture or time since the late 90s. Seventeen years have passed?! What has distinguished them? Think of the time between 1980 and "Titanic". Now those were seventeen years. Or from 62 to 80. Holy shit. But since the millennium we are simply in a purgatorial death spiral. Mark the calendar at 2000, or 9/11 if you want. But you could just as easily mark it on the release of "Titanic".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34913570)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 9:55 PM
Author: Muscadine wine

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

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Date: December 13th, 2017 9:56 PM
Author: Sticky, and still cleaning up the mess!

need some time to process this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34913613)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 9:39 AM
Author: Kilns4Kikes



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Date: December 20th, 2017 11:58 AM
Author: cannon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34966371)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 12:06 PM
Author: mulholland drive



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34966427)



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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:50 PM
Author: engineers AND family men! (uspo)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#36331903)



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Date: September 11th, 2019 9:11 AM
Author: Sticky, and still cleaning up the mess!



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#38817344)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 9:57 PM
Author: Maori woman performing defiant haka

reading way too much into this. she just wanted chad cock

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34913626)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 10:00 PM
Author: (O)||||||(O) (Game of)

why was it made when it was made? cameron could have made the alien movie or any fucking thing. and why did it ENGULF culture? can you think of another movie in are lifetimes that proles saw 5 or 6 times, unironically? not just sci-fi nerds. Everyone NEEDED this movie to make sense of something. My op may not get exactly at it, but there was a deep jungian need for this movie at that particular moment

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34913666)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 10:01 PM
Author: engineers AND family men! (uspo)

scholarship

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34913686)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 10:02 PM
Author: Maori woman performing defiant haka

hmmm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34913699)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 10:03 PM
Author: Driving back in silence from retirement home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34913707)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 9:38 AM
Author: ..,..,,,,...,...,,,. (askav)

interesting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34965247)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 9:41 AM
Author: The Manafort Predicament that Angered Trumpmos



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34965265)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 11:56 AM
Author: cannon

CR. People were making repeated viewings of a 3+ hour movie. Now look at Americans' attention spans. And Titanic was number 1 at the box office for 15 weeks. Nothing else has come close.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34966340)



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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:49 PM
Author: deus vult (from constantinople to the stars)

not people. just millennial girls

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#36331890)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 9:58 PM
Author: Driving back in silence from retirement home

Scholarship

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34913640)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 10:01 PM
Author: engineers AND family men! (uspo)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34913682)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 10:02 PM
Author: \'\'\'\'\'\'\'

Avatar was the death knell imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34913696)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 10:04 PM
Author: Poast Malone

Bin Laden reading this thread: haha wow holy shit even the scholarship is shit now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34913711)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 9:40 AM
Author: twins

I'd say it was the Civil War. Spanish-American war confirmed it, FDR shat on the grave, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34965261)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 9:41 AM
Author: Upset Jew

Tbf, there has been plenty of scholarship that everything since 1999 has gone utterly downhill. Smartphones and Kardashians are our mere bread and circuses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34965262)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 9:41 AM
Author: deus vult (from constantinople to the stars)

hot take but the matrix still takes this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34965268)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 9:48 AM
Author: twins

Weird how death of innocence in a country perfectly maps on to the timeframe where my innocence was dying due to the erosive pressures of age. Pity those naive young kids don't realize it. Also, what's with the stupid boomers who think innocence died with the JFK assassination or late-60s riots or whatever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34965318)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 9:51 AM
Author: (O)||||||(O) (Game of)

legit critique, but akin to saying, "you think hosting drag queens at elementary school is corruption. funny, they said the same about heavy metal music, and before that Elvis, and before that comic books, etc."

Well fuck, but it sure seems innocence did die when someone was coming of age. Why not us

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34965345)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 9:59 AM
Author: twins

I agree it is unsound to argue "because others have predicted X before and been wrong/misguided, therefore your prediction of X is wrong." For example, in another thread I noted people always say "even back in Plato's day they were bemoaning the loss of the old way and traditions," but then Plato's civilization did eventually succumb to decadence and collapse.

That said, I see history & the web of events & time as too dynamic and multifactorial to pick out a single moment or event of collapse. It is a bit "all shall have prizes," but it could perfectly well be that Elvis represented the end of one age of innocence, heavy metal another, comic books another -- the passing of the ages is felt qualitatively, for they are constructed by the particular communities who felt them. (We can't resurrect our ancestors, any more than we can speak with a dead friend, but we might hear them in our minds).

As such, perhaps it is enough to say the Titanic was pivotal for US, that OUR generation descended into the deep blue sea, the precious jewel of our youth and innocence 'lost,' but afflicting us as a burden and memento mori, just as the jewel Rose inexplicably did not sell.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34965408)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 10:02 AM
Author: (O)||||||(O) (Game of)

see this is the kind of scholarship I requested in my OP. bravo and nice touch about the jewel as the central symbol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34965426)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 10:07 AM
Author: twins

Just to put a cap on things --- I would argue every generation is dying and being reborn; every age has its Eve who eats the fruit of knowledge of Good & Evil; everyman proceeds from void to innocence to being fallen to a hope of New Jericho. We've been afflicted, not just by evil, but by something far worse: libs are not just death-lovers, they are anti-life, as they wish to break the cycle of life and death, of man bonding with woman and handing his remnants to their child, not with anything like a satisfactory conclusion, but by simply closing the book of life in a fit of pique.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34965450)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 10:08 AM
Author: A Jurisprudence is Performed

trenachant as ever, but he's referencing the specific death of a specific culture/time period, not a generic "loss of innocence" for all times and all seasons.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34965456)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 10:12 AM
Author: twins

Thank you for the compliment of "trenchant as ever." I read OP being about last gasp of the American century & American exceptionalism, arguably 1900-2001 but more realistically post-WW2 to present. My examples (boomers, younger generations) aimed to place in context this view of the significance of Titanic w/r/t the specific loss of innocence described.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34965485)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 9:48 AM
Author: ,.,.,.,..,.,..,:,,:,,.,::,..,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,. (0x7A181Ec3d98daB71e392bbB0a2Dd577B166A2694)


Scholarship. People also forget the African embassy bombings in '98 at the height of Titanic hysteria, which were a huge deal at the time, and a foreshadowing of 9/11.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34965326)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 9:50 AM
Author: Dr. Cool



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34965338)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 9:51 AM
Author: \'\'\'\'\'\'\'\'\"\'\'\'\'




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34965346)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 9:53 AM
Author: screens



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34965358)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 10:08 AM
Author: donny (retired) (when moon)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34965455)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 10:10 AM
Author: gibberish

After seeing titanic I new we needed to immediately build a wall.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34965473)



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Date: December 20th, 2017 10:20 AM
Author: gadotphile

Counterpoint: XO launches in 2004

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#34965552)



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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: Sticky, and still cleaning up the mess!



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#36331870)



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Date: June 28th, 2018 9:50 PM
Author: engineers AND family men! (uspo)

god dammit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#36331902)



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Date: April 30th, 2019 1:55 PM
Author: Sticky, and still cleaning up the mess!



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#38165375)



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Date: September 11th, 2019 9:22 AM
Author: Upset Jew

1997 was also when they began filming "The Sopranos", which was about how absolutely toxic modernity is. Same thing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#38817373)



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Date: September 11th, 2019 8:56 PM
Author: cowgod (web.archive.org/web/20181230045958/http://www.cliquetheory.com)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3828205&forum_id=2#38821074)