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Anyone know about Dentons (the biggest law firm in the world)

Just curious... I have an associate who is going to leave my...
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Date: January 4th, 2018 7:48 PM
Author: pontificating macaca lodge

Just curious... I have an associate who is going to leave my firm (immigration) to start with Dentons. Her hours are a stable 40-50/week here, and the pay is $80K + with bonuses, about $90K. So pretty solid work/life balance. She's got about 1.5 years of experience (if you count the 1 year of experience at my firm).

I understand most big firms work you 60-70 hours, so even though they are paying her $120K, relatively speaking they are paying as much, if not less than what I'm paying on an hourly basis. Plus, the collegiality of a small firm is lost at a big firm.

Anyway, back to the question, what's Dentons like, anyone know?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083026)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 7:59 PM
Author: pontificating macaca lodge

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083103)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 8:00 PM
Author: hairless sweet tailpipe brunch

is it like slaughter & may?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083105)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 8:36 PM
Author: pearly ticket booth jewess

*spits Pimm's all over desk*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083390)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 8:36 PM
Author: Impertinent twinkling office tank



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Date: January 4th, 2018 8:50 PM
Author: disrespectful giraffe property



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Date: January 4th, 2018 8:00 PM
Author: big-titted gunner stock car

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083108)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 8:03 PM
Author: pontificating macaca lodge

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Date: January 4th, 2018 8:06 PM
Author: big-titted gunner stock car

its like a much worse dla piper

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083149)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:18 PM
Author: pontificating macaca lodge

I guess I'll try to make a final pitch to see if she might be convinced to stay, she might not realize what big law entails

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083735)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:29 PM
Author: Free-loading Coffee Pot

doesn't dla piper pay market? 120k for a 3rd year is not close to market

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083807)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:42 PM
Author: big-titted gunner stock car

i doubt they pay market across the board

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083916)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 2:43 AM
Author: lemon crotch



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Date: January 4th, 2018 8:06 PM
Author: Sooty forum

how is she only making 120k? I'm paying my second year associates 200+ all in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083150)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 8:22 PM
Author: pontificating macaca lodge

IDK, that's what she told me. It's corporate immigration. Immigration might be a lower paying practice area, or maybe Dentons is a lower paying firm in general. I've seen an article that indicates top big law firms are paying $180K now to start, but Dentons is instead just offering more bonuses, but keeping their starting salary at like $120K.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083271)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 8:43 PM
Author: Pale gas station



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Date: January 4th, 2018 8:35 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal hissy fit telephone

LOL, I used the equivalent of a deputy managing partner there haha

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083380)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 8:36 PM
Author: pontificating macaca lodge

go on...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083387)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 8:39 PM
Author: pearly ticket booth jewess

That's not enough of a salary bump in post-tax $ to put up with big firm bullshit, although I suppose she sees this as a huge prestige bump. She'll likely look to come back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083407)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 8:40 PM
Author: Histrionic bronze heaven

lol fucking lol @ thinking 40~50 hrs is *good* work life balance. you have stockholm syndrome bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083415)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 8:44 PM
Author: pontificating macaca lodge

no billable hour requirement, breh. can work anytime as long as she's in the office by 10am. Not sure you can get that at big law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083444)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:21 PM
Author: spectacular fluffy theatre affirmative action

of course that's good. how can you do better at a salaried job?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083748)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:21 PM
Author: pontificating macaca lodge

right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083752)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:19 PM
Author: multi-colored kitchen

120K for 60-70 hour work weeks? Why not just work at Target during the day and as a bartender at night?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083739)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:21 PM
Author: Lascivious pistol

Hell on earth. Gross feeling. Nice view.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083756)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:22 PM
Author: pontificating macaca lodge

go on

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083762)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:24 PM
Author: territorial halford casino

1) it sounds like "your" firm is an absolute fucking TTT shithole. 50 hrs a week for $80k in one of the most TTT practice areas is complete shit so i can see why she'd jump ship.

2) Dentons is far from a prestigious shop, but it is at least biglaw by any reasonable definition. i don't know what $120k is like compared to actual good firms in your area (if there are any) but in major markets Dentons pay is not *too* far off market.

3) why would you say she has X years of work experience (IF you count the time she's been at your firm)? why on earth wouldn't that count as work experience esp if she's spent the majority if her time post graduating law school working there? what a dumb thing to say.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083772)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:26 PM
Author: pontificating macaca lodge

80K base the posted prevailing wage at wage level 1 posted by the DOL for all attorneys in this county, and 50 is on the high end, she's usually putting in 40-45 hours.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083788)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:33 PM
Author: Free-loading Coffee Pot

50 hours/week is a lot of time to spend in some rank little solo attorney office that probably smells like b.o. don't misunderstand; $35/hour for 60 hours/week sounds like absolute dogshit. but can you really not grasp why she has one foot out the door?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083846)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:37 PM
Author: pontificating macaca lodge

Well, she really seems to indicate she is attracted by the prospect of being the "biggest law firm in the world," and said it's not so much about the money, but she believes it will open a lot of doors. I think she doesn't realize she'll likely be an expable cog there, whereas, continuing at a small firm, she could even build up a book of business of her own which would lead her to either being a partner here or for her to setup her own practice. Successful corporate-based immigration attorneys easily clear $250K, working pretty chill hours.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083880)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:42 PM
Author: Free-loading Coffee Pot

I mean she could easily be making a horrible decision here but you haven't exactly presented it that way. your premise seems to be that she is worthless on her own, that you did her a favor hiring her, and that she's a fool for leaving for more $ because you gave her some amazing lifestyle job which in reality is $30-something per hour with no ascertainable upside in experience or knowledge gained. you seem like a nice guy and a typical solo who is unpleasant to work for and generally lacks empathy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083909)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:48 PM
Author: pontificating macaca lodge

I made a lot less at her stage in her career, and worked my way up to grossing $300K for myself in 2016 (took a bit of a cut since I hired her), and think she could take a similar trajectory continuing at a small firm (she's never once complained about that pay, and in fact said it's reasonable for the hours and flexibility). That's what I did, and it's paid off. I see that we could build something here, since she's part of a different community that has a lot of potential, which she could further grow. At some point, I'd then have to make her a partner or she would easily be able to setup her own firm and do well for herself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083945)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:50 PM
Author: Free-loading Coffee Pot

you should take her to lunch and tell her that. she's not going to read your mind, bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083959)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:57 PM
Author: pontificating macaca lodge

Think I will

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35084026)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 10:51 PM
Author: Sepia box office pisswyrm

completely correct. make the case that she can expect more upside from you. then, if she doesn't listen, it's on her and there was nothing you could do.

IDK about your market, but they're a market-rate firm. if biglaw market is $120 in your town, that's what they pay, but if bigtex sets the market, she'll make $180+, depending on seniority and bonus. to get her to leave $100k on the table, you'll have to make her really believe in your upside.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35084466)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:53 PM
Author: Stirring startled spot genital piercing

"I see that we could build something here"

She obviously doesn't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083979)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 10:20 PM
Author: Outnumbered Peach Gaping

CR fuck this boomer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35084226)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: territorial halford casino

she was just trying to be diplomatic on her way out the door. in 5-6 months you're going to be hit with a #metoo lawsuit where she alleges you whipped your little pissclit out on the reg and harassed her.

you'll end up spending whatever shitmoney you make doing immigration shitlaw on your own legal fees and even if you win at the MSJ stage your reputation will probably be ruined in the community.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083938)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:49 PM
Author: pontificating macaca lodge

$300K without any billable hours is shit money? ok

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083948)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:53 PM
Author: territorial halford casino

omg i take it all back you "make" $300k oh wowwwwwwwwwwww. what a big shot calling faggot you are!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083980)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:54 PM
Author: pontificating macaca lodge

lol, calm down

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083991)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:53 PM
Author: Indigo contagious rigpig

Why did you sexually harass your associate?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083983)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 10:03 PM
Author: talking gay wizard orchestra pit

People bitch about billing hours, but billing hours is just putting numbers in a system. It’s annoying but I wouldn’t take a pay cut to stop doing it.

I also love when 300k a year solos talk about how great they are because they have ownership and a book of business. 5th year associates make that. It’s not something to write mom about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35084080)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 10:14 PM
Author: pontificating macaca lodge

It's nothing special, you're right, but it's not terrible either.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35084175)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 10:24 PM
Author: talking gay wizard orchestra pit

Fine. At least you admit it. I know a bunch of boomers who act like they’re curing cancer and look down their noses at biglaw associates because they’re not out building some shitlaw book of business. Fuck you. I don’t want your shitty clients. They don’t have money. That’s why they hired you, the old man that makes the same amount as a 5th year associate

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35084257)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 10:32 PM
Author: geriatric faggot firefighter skinny woman

Cr dude fuck shitlawyers they're fucking idiots

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35084314)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 10:47 PM
Author: pontificating macaca lodge

I'm a millennial, fwiw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35084438)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 10:10 AM
Author: talking gay wizard orchestra pit

The “you” referred to the clowns I meet at the courthouse. Not actually you. I come here to vent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35086945)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:47 PM
Author: Comical pocket flask

Immigration is surprisingly ignored by this crowd, but it’s a credited moneymaker if you run your own shop (for reference, one Chinese family amnesty gig can net $40k).

But to answer your question bro, I didn’t know Dentons even had associates because I’ve only seen various levels of partners on my cases; they’re competent, generally good talkers, but not astoundingly bright. My guess is that she woke up and realized that if she’s going to be a wage slave, she’s going to be a prestigious wage slave.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083940)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:49 PM
Author: Free-loading Coffee Pot

the client acquisition costs seem like they'd be insane for a new immigration solo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083950)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:53 PM
Author: Comical pocket flask

Probably why this crowd prefers chasing ambulances. As with many things in life, it is who you know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35083978)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:57 PM
Author: Adulterous lay knife

she will probably be doing the us visa work for the family of the chinese guy who is laundering his money out of the country through an australian coal mine

dentons seems to do a lot of vertical cross border vomitlaw



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35084021)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 9:59 PM
Author: Free-loading Coffee Pot

you need a friend who owns a company that hires a bunch of H1-Bs. or rich family members in asia who market your investor visa services to multi-millionaires. I don't see any other way for a new solo to make it as an immigpig

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35084043)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 10:15 PM
Author: Coiffed Embarrassed To The Bone Garrison

Employees there get the privilege of saying they work in BIGGEST law.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35084186)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 2:02 AM
Author: Stirring startled spot genital piercing



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Date: January 4th, 2018 10:28 PM
Author: Dashing insecure boltzmann

She’s making $200k, not $120k. She didn’t want to be mean to your shitlaw practice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35084285)



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Date: January 4th, 2018 10:55 PM
Author: Sepia box office pisswyrm

looks like their TX offices are houston and dallas. lol @ getting away with paying $120k in either. maybe for a contract attorney

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3849650&forum_id=2#35084489)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 2:05 PM
Author: Comical pocket flask



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Date: January 8th, 2018 4:50 AM
Author: citrine motley home

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Date: December 14th, 2018 2:46 PM
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