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Fun Legal Hypo (Receiving Duplicate Shipment) - From Talmud Law Class

moishe buys a book online. the vendor says it's supposed to ...
wine really tough guy
  01/12/18
"what are moishe's obligations with respect to the two ...
apoplectic messiness pit
  01/12/18
so if the seller says nothing, he can keep the book?
wine really tough guy
  01/12/18
Sure.
apoplectic messiness pit
  01/12/18
He should encourage open borders and race mixing in the US w...
Crusty immigrant
  01/12/18
lmao
Wild property philosopher-king
  01/12/18
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self-absorbed goyim school
  01/12/18
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comical slate parlor internal respiration
  01/12/18
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Clear Costumed Hall Goal In Life
  01/24/18
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Thriller mischievous telephone
  01/27/18
Assuming that it would cost him money to send it back, and h...
fiercely-loyal racy candlestick maker locus
  01/24/18
without the company asking for the first book back one shoul...
Provocative Cuckoldry Step-uncle's House
  01/24/18
This is much more nuanced then at first glance
fiercely-loyal racy candlestick maker locus
  01/24/18
At no point does he demand another book, he checks status wi...
Clear Costumed Hall Goal In Life
  01/24/18
SOLUTION: the first book is considered a lost object. ...
wine really tough guy
  01/26/18
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Clear Costumed Hall Goal In Life
  01/26/18
This is the most obvious one - but there is also Deut 24:19 ...
fiercely-loyal racy candlestick maker locus
  01/27/18
Lulz I came in here to make a joke that the answer depend...
elite french chef
  01/27/18
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wine really tough guy
  01/27/18
no wonder Jesus was so flippant to the pharisees.
multi-colored coldplay fan sex offender
  01/28/18
"it will make jews look like fools and suckers" ...
apoplectic messiness pit
  01/28/18
they bend on the shit till it break
Clear Costumed Hall Goal In Life
  01/28/18
"We should look insular and greedy." "Yeah...
apoplectic messiness pit
  01/28/18


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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:10 PM
Author: wine really tough guy

moishe buys a book online. the vendor says it's supposed to arrive in a week, but it doesnt. he contacts them and they say to wait another week. he contacts them after another week, and they tell him that they've gone ahead and sent him out a second book. within a week, both books arrive.

what are moishe's obligations with respect to the two books?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35140498)



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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:22 PM
Author: apoplectic messiness pit

"what are moishe's obligations with respect to the two books?"

If requested by seller within a reasonable time, must return one book if not materially inconvenient.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35140602)



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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:42 PM
Author: wine really tough guy

so if the seller says nothing, he can keep the book?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35140777)



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Date: January 12th, 2018 11:13 PM
Author: apoplectic messiness pit

Sure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35144762)



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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:13 PM
Author: Crusty immigrant

He should encourage open borders and race mixing in the US while denying those same human rights causes for Israel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35140525)



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Date: January 12th, 2018 1:23 PM
Author: Wild property philosopher-king

lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35140604)



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Date: January 12th, 2018 11:16 PM
Author: self-absorbed goyim school



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35144792)



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Date: January 12th, 2018 11:57 PM
Author: comical slate parlor internal respiration



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35145070)



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Date: January 24th, 2018 11:07 PM
Author: Clear Costumed Hall Goal In Life



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35231437)



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Date: January 27th, 2018 12:36 AM
Author: Thriller mischievous telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35250383)



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Date: January 24th, 2018 11:02 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal racy candlestick maker locus

Assuming that it would cost him money to send it back, and he can't drop it into a free return kind of thing, he can keep the book.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35231379)



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Date: January 24th, 2018 11:03 PM
Author: Provocative Cuckoldry Step-uncle's House

without the company asking for the first book back one should assume they knew he would get two books and that's to boost him coming back which they've calculated as being more profitable than him getting one late book then shopping elsewhere. this is an economic behavioral issue and outside morality at this juncture.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35231399)



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Date: January 24th, 2018 11:04 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal racy candlestick maker locus

This is much more nuanced then at first glance

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35231409)



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Date: January 24th, 2018 11:10 PM
Author: Clear Costumed Hall Goal In Life

At no point does he demand another book, he checks status with them in these calls as a normal buyer would.

They send a second as good business practice almost certainly knowing that things do not get lost in transit in the modern age. They chose the shipping company and they chose this action.

How can they create an obligation on him to ship a book back to them? What is the basis?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35231471)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 4:47 PM
Author: wine really tough guy

SOLUTION:

the first book is considered a lost object.

the threshold question is whether the vendor is a jew.

a jew must return lost objects to another jew. so, if the vendor is a jew, moishe needs to make a reasonable effort to notify the vendor and ask them how to proceed. the vendor needs to mitigate any loss by moishe, i.e. arrange for the return shipping and not inconvenience him.

a jew generally has no obligation to return a lost object to a non-jew, and in most cases he is specifically FORBIDDEN from doing so for various reasons (eg it will make jews look like fools and suckers). the only time a jew is even permitted to return a lost object to a goy is if it will make the jewish nation look good.

if the vendor isn't jewish, there's no evidence that moishe would get goodwill for the jews out of sending the book back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35246975)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 4:52 PM
Author: Clear Costumed Hall Goal In Life



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35247041)



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Date: January 27th, 2018 12:29 AM
Author: fiercely-loyal racy candlestick maker locus

This is the most obvious one - but there is also Deut 24:19 to consider which is why I posted about this being much more nuanced than it appears from the first glance (most plain interpretation)

Under this vein of reasoning the book company shouldn't ask for it back if they are Jewish owned.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35250322)



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Date: January 27th, 2018 12:38 AM
Author: elite french chef

Lulz

I came in here to make a joke that the answer depends on whether the seller is a Jew or not

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35250390)



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Date: January 27th, 2018 8:59 PM
Author: wine really tough guy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35256369)



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Date: January 28th, 2018 12:37 AM
Author: multi-colored coldplay fan sex offender

no wonder Jesus was so flippant to the pharisees.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35257931)



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Date: January 28th, 2018 1:06 AM
Author: apoplectic messiness pit

"it will make jews look like fools and suckers"

That isn't even close to what has historically caused Jews trouble.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35258132)



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Date: January 28th, 2018 1:07 AM
Author: Clear Costumed Hall Goal In Life

they bend on the shit till it break

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35258141)



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Date: January 28th, 2018 1:09 AM
Author: apoplectic messiness pit

"We should look insular and greedy."

"Yeah, that should work."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3857363&forum_id=2#35258150)