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1 month keto + workout every day gained 5 pounds

I have eaten under 1500 low-carb calories a day for the last...
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
welcome to starvation mode
bipolar kitchen
  01/15/18
only thing i can think of is my drinking less caused me to g...
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
According to Dr Jason Fung, there is no starvation mode duri...
Vibrant Domesticated Step-uncle's House Sweet Tailpipe
  01/15/18
it's impossible to eat 1,500 cals/day for a month, exercise ...
canary blathering senate gaming laptop
  01/15/18
I must have been really dehydrated from drinking a lot. Now ...
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
doen't matter, impossible. You're lying to yourself about yo...
canary blathering senate gaming laptop
  01/15/18
I'm not I even pretty religiously use a calorie counter -- I...
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
well you obviously fucked up if you gained 5 lbs or you have...
canary blathering senate gaming laptop
  01/15/18
could both be true
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
Maybe OP built pure muscle, but I doubt it This is bizarr...
sticky magenta really tough guy internal respiration
  01/15/18
I think it's half this and half water weight. I do look and ...
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
2.5lb noob gains is doable in a month
blue marvelous national philosopher-king
  01/15/18
This. Unless OP is like a female midget or something.
blue marvelous national philosopher-king
  01/15/18
How many net carbs are you eating per day, and what are most...
Bull headed nursing home athletic conference
  01/15/18
Easily under 100 carbs a day -- usually under 50. I've cu...
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
The no carb diet is complete flame. Eat whatever you want...
sticky magenta really tough guy internal respiration
  01/15/18
i rarely if ever eat sweets. i do drink diet coke.
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
this obesemo is slamming indian food and another meal every ...
canary blathering senate gaming laptop
  01/15/18
Isn't Tikka like 3000 calories a meal
sticky magenta really tough guy internal respiration
  01/15/18
most Indian food is. LOL @ this guy having 7,000 cals/day an...
canary blathering senate gaming laptop
  01/15/18
The chicken tikka itself isn't horrible (it's pretty bad tho...
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
Just eat more "cleanly" - no heavy sauces, no heav...
sticky magenta really tough guy internal respiration
  01/15/18
I will alter my approach and report back.
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
Fat is fine if you control calories and aren't combining the...
fiercely-loyal property ceo
  01/15/18
I think this is a lot of it. I eat most of my meals out. Whi...
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
This is your problem. You need to make your own food. It's a...
fiercely-loyal property ceo
  01/15/18
Time to break out the Sous Vide!
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
"fritters" LMFAO man, you need to spend a coupl...
fiercely-loyal property ceo
  01/15/18
I know it can't be healthy, but how bad could this be: ht...
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
Seriously, the easiest way to learn about food and nutrition...
fiercely-loyal property ceo
  01/15/18
I already do this.
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
You either let some kind aspirational bias influence what yo...
fiercely-loyal property ceo
  01/15/18
1) I'm 5'11 182 -- hopefully not obese. 2) I eat Indian may...
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
You can eat vegetarian dosas or whatever (much lower caloric...
sticky magenta really tough guy internal respiration
  01/15/18
once a week? Jesus
canary blathering senate gaming laptop
  01/15/18
Look up the calories for OIL and BUTTER
sticky magenta really tough guy internal respiration
  01/15/18
your BMI is overweight but not yet obese
canary blathering senate gaming laptop
  01/15/18
trying to cop dat "HEALTHY" flame bmi level
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
That's not keto, bro. You should not be eating more than 30 ...
Bull headed nursing home athletic conference
  01/15/18
Keto is 100% flame I eat like 80% carbs and have BMI 18 a...
sticky magenta really tough guy internal respiration
  01/15/18
I did it, and it works. I have since jumped ship, since I ha...
Bull headed nursing home athletic conference
  01/15/18
Doesnt keto make your breath and sweat smell disgusting? ...
sticky magenta really tough guy internal respiration
  01/15/18
No effect on breath or sweat. You can basically eat meat, ch...
Bull headed nursing home athletic conference
  01/15/18
Last sentence is so true.
180 flesh turdskin
  01/17/18
today i had Panda Express -- 7 savior chicken with vegetable...
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
Indian food and Panda Express is your diet? lol
canary blathering senate gaming laptop
  01/15/18
I'm a hard worker bro. no time to "meal prep" like...
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
LOL, are you a foreigner or something? Lifting for reps and ...
fiercely-loyal property ceo
  01/15/18
(fat faggot afraid of exercise)
Racy Principal's Office
  01/15/18
I appreciate the nutrition advice but I could literally beat...
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
no person who is actually strong and capable has ever respon...
Hateful Lascivious Chad
  01/15/18
yeah but this time it's true edit: or are you talking abo...
carnelian school police squad
  01/21/18
muscle is more dense than fat
Tripping Ticket Booth
  01/15/18
crrrrrr
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
so imagine how much fat you put on since none of it was musc...
canary blathering senate gaming laptop
  01/15/18
Poasting in a 200 poast bro science thread
Coiffed Sanctuary Organic Girlfriend
  01/15/18
bro science has some truth to it. these “scientists” are alw...
Tripping Ticket Booth
  01/15/18
this is not flame
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
op what do you do when you work out
sadistic stain
  01/15/18
generally 45 mins-hour. 15 min jog warm up. 15-25 minutes li...
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
lol that's why you still have tits faggot
sadistic stain
  01/15/18
If you really have put on 5 lbs working out everyday and eat...
lake clown meetinghouse
  01/15/18
god damnit
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
What is xo's consensus on diet coke?
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
cr. his body will show them how to solve the world's energy...
spectacular bright area voyeur
  01/15/18
Could be a pituitary issue
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
poison. Give that swill up asap
shivering piazza
  01/15/18
but it says 0 calories 0 carb
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
aspartame is poison
shivering piazza
  01/15/18
Diet coke tastes gross to me I think the stuff in it caus...
sticky magenta really tough guy internal respiration
  01/15/18
you're def an obesemo
canary blathering senate gaming laptop
  01/15/18
Seems like the majority of scorn on here is aimed towards th...
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
If you made the indian food yourself, you can actually track...
Bull headed nursing home athletic conference
  01/15/18
You eat in restaurants every day and your workouts are chump...
fiercely-loyal property ceo
  01/15/18
If you eat healthy during the week it is absolutely NBD to h...
curious shaky crackhouse crotch
  01/15/18
If you look better, who cares. Maybe you got taller
Self-centered abusive friendly grandma
  01/15/18
This. Plus your 1500 calories per day is wrong. Either way, ...
Rebellious Site Preventive Strike
  01/15/18
1. You miscounted your calories 2. You gained water weight
useless mildly autistic address
  01/15/18
Not even doing "keto" properly - you need to be su...
Odious indian lodge juggernaut
  01/15/18
Sounds like the key is not eating out.
carnelian school police squad
  01/15/18
the key is eating less. eat what you want, eat out, don't be...
Racy Principal's Office
  01/15/18
That's just one - you also have to really educate yourself (...
Odious indian lodge juggernaut
  01/15/18
so a twink gains muscle+strength without putting on fat and ...
irate community account
  01/15/18
he's probably kind of tubby at 5'10"/180 something poun...
Hateful Lascivious Chad
  01/15/18
sure thats mostly water weight but he started at 5'11" ...
irate community account
  01/15/18
he didn't gain that much muscle in a month, even with n00b g...
Hateful Lascivious Chad
  01/15/18
what are you talking about. i assume he gained maybe a pound...
irate community account
  01/15/18
Water weight wouldn't explain it unless he's taking massive ...
sable awkward marketing idea market
  01/15/18
mods! I've been keeping track and will poast every week's...
carnelian school police squad
  01/21/18
this obese faggot just put on more lard. He obviously has no...
canary blathering senate gaming laptop
  01/15/18
low carb diets reek havoc on muscle tissue https://www.nc...
Fluffy school cafeteria idiot
  01/15/18
you are relentless with your bullshit diet. nobody cares.
sable awkward marketing idea market
  01/15/18
by "bullshit diet" you mean a diet that 99% of med...
Fluffy school cafeteria idiot
  01/15/18
kill yourself
Hateful Lascivious Chad
  01/15/18
I come to xo for the substantive responses
Razzmatazz Chest-beating Patrolman Affirmative Action
  01/16/18
Lol at all these insane diets. None of it is necessary to lo...
curious shaky crackhouse crotch
  01/15/18
fine, but you have ketotards saying ad libidum amounts of sa...
Fluffy school cafeteria idiot
  01/15/18
What is the purpose of keto? To get ripped, or do they think...
curious shaky crackhouse crotch
  01/15/18
First, OP is not doing keto at 100 carbs a day and this is l...
Mind-boggling house gay wizard
  01/15/18
the insulin theory of weight loss/weight gain has been thoro...
Fluffy school cafeteria idiot
  01/15/18
also the whole keto myth that well people stopped eating fat...
Fluffy school cafeteria idiot
  01/15/18
some people think it's the "natural" human diet an...
Fluffy school cafeteria idiot
  01/15/18
similar shit happened to me and i decided to strictly eat sh...
bat shit crazy temple generalized bond
  01/15/18
yea weird that after drinking when you're dehydrated you'd h...
Crystalline trailer park
  01/15/18
i thought of dehydration thing, but when you google this iss...
bat shit crazy temple generalized bond
  01/15/18
whole food plant based diet https://nutritionfacts.org/
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  01/16/18
...
Fluffy school cafeteria idiot
  01/17/18
You wouldn't think that "all I eat is tikki masala and ...
chestnut heady hall deer antler
  01/16/18
All of the following could be happening: -you are a nomus...
excitant navy office ape
  01/16/18
if you only did this for a week or two id say water weight /...
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  01/16/18


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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:21 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

I have eaten under 1500 low-carb calories a day for the last 3 or 4 weeks save a cheat day where i get near 2500. Skip breakfast. 400-500 calorie lunch. 600-800 calorie dinner, generally chicken or fish with vegetables.

Worked out 4-5 times a week. Look better. Feel skinnier. Gained 5 pounds.

Wtf? Should I just stop?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161538)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:21 PM
Author: bipolar kitchen

welcome to starvation mode

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161540)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:22 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

only thing i can think of is my drinking less caused me to gain significant hydration pounds.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161544)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 8:37 PM
Author: Vibrant Domesticated Step-uncle's House Sweet Tailpipe

According to Dr Jason Fung, there is no starvation mode during ketosis.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35163779)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:22 PM
Author: canary blathering senate gaming laptop

it's impossible to eat 1,500 cals/day for a month, exercise 4-5 times/week and not lose weight.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161546)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:23 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

I must have been really dehydrated from drinking a lot. Now I'm compulsively chugging like a gallon and a half of water a day.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161551)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:24 PM
Author: canary blathering senate gaming laptop

doen't matter, impossible. You're lying to yourself about your caloric intake.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161555)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:25 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

I'm not I even pretty religiously use a calorie counter -- I changed my "goals" to get started on this kick to make it not register step calories and always attempt to overestimate calories.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161565)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:26 PM
Author: canary blathering senate gaming laptop

well you obviously fucked up if you gained 5 lbs or you have the worst genetics on the planet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161575)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:29 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

could both be true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161600)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:23 PM
Author: sticky magenta really tough guy internal respiration

Maybe OP built pure muscle, but I doubt it

This is bizarre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161553)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:26 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

I think it's half this and half water weight. I do look and feel significantly stronger.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161573)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: blue marvelous national philosopher-king

2.5lb noob gains is doable in a month

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35162207)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: blue marvelous national philosopher-king

This. Unless OP is like a female midget or something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35162203)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:23 PM
Author: Bull headed nursing home athletic conference

How many net carbs are you eating per day, and what are most of the foods you eat?

Edit: It doesn't matter if you're "only" eating 1500 calories per day, unless you are a midget.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161552)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:25 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

Easily under 100 carbs a day -- usually under 50.

I've cut out almost all breads, save for one or two bad meals a week. Lunch almost always chicken, salad, or fish with green vegetables. Dinner generally a little more unhealthy but not terrible -- chili, the above, or the occasional indian dish like chicken tikka.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161560)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:26 PM
Author: sticky magenta really tough guy internal respiration

The no carb diet is complete flame.

Eat whatever you want, but count your caloric intake carefully. I would cut out sugar though - that stuff is poison and a cookie could easily be 100 calories.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161569)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:30 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

i rarely if ever eat sweets. i do drink diet coke.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161608)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:26 PM
Author: canary blathering senate gaming laptop

this obesemo is slamming indian food and another meal every day while on a diet? Yea shocking it didn't work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161572)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:26 PM
Author: sticky magenta really tough guy internal respiration

Isn't Tikka like 3000 calories a meal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161574)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:26 PM
Author: canary blathering senate gaming laptop

most Indian food is. LOL @ this guy having 7,000 cals/day and wondering why he isn't losing weight. Must just be all the water he's drinking.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161578)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:29 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

The chicken tikka itself isn't horrible (it's pretty bad tho). It's the naan and shit that people get with it. I usually account 1k calories for my indian meal of tikka + vegetable fritters once a week.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161598)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:33 PM
Author: sticky magenta really tough guy internal respiration

Just eat more "cleanly" - no heavy sauces, no heavy butter, no heavy oils

You can pretty much eat whatever you want and lose weight as long as you avoid eating lots of butter/oil/sweets

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161622)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:33 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

I will alter my approach and report back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161631)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:03 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal property ceo

Fat is fine if you control calories and aren't combining the fat with a lot of net carbs.

The issue is that almost all restaurant food has way more fat in it than people assume. If you have ever been around a restaurant kitchen, they use 2-3 the amount of butter/oil for most everything. Most people are conditioned to expect very strong flavors and heavy fat content when they eat restaurant food. You would think someone is fucking insane if they cooked at home like line chefs do in restaurants.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161845)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:05 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

I think this is a lot of it. I eat most of my meals out. While I try to eat the healthiest shit they have, it is way more oily/buttery than anything I would cook at home.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161854)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:07 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal property ceo

This is your problem. You need to make your own food. It's almost impossible to lose weight if most of your food comes from restaurants and you're truly in the dark about the caloric content. An extra tablespoon of oil splashed in the pan for some shitty vegetable side is another 200 calories down the hatch.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161877)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:08 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

Time to break out the Sous Vide!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161885)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:01 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal property ceo

"fritters"

LMFAO man, you need to spend a couple of days learning about food. you are eating way more calories and carbs than you think and second hearty LMFAO at using some little dipshit calorie counter app to lowball guesstimate your weekly Indian food blowouts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161829)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:03 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

I know it can't be healthy, but how bad could this be:

https://indianhealthyrecipes.com/pakora-recipe-vegetable-pakora-pakoda/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161842)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:05 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal property ceo

Seriously, the easiest way to learn about food and nutrition is to just quickly google the nutritional content of whatever you're eating. Do this for a few weeks and you will start to grasp what you're eating without needing to check.

The point is that you're fucking something up somewhere, and by all indicators it's your diet. You're eating more than you think and that's usually the result of not knowing enough about food. Fix that and you'll lose weight.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161858)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:07 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

I already do this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161876)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:10 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal property ceo

You either let some kind aspirational bias influence what you're learning or you're not looking at this shit closely.

It's impossible to run the kind of caloric deficit you had for that period of time and still gain weight like that. It's not all muscle and water.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161900)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:27 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

1) I'm 5'11 182 -- hopefully not obese.

2) I eat Indian maybe once a week. No naan. Either a chicken tikka or vindaloo with vegetable fritters. I can't give up indian for good.

Drinking wise I've drank half as much and generally just vodka soda (0 carb).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161583)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:27 PM
Author: sticky magenta really tough guy internal respiration

You can eat vegetarian dosas or whatever (much lower caloric intake) than a heavy, sauce filled indian dish

If it looks greasy/oily/filled with butter, then it's probably like 10,000 calories

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161588)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:28 PM
Author: canary blathering senate gaming laptop

once a week? Jesus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161593)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:29 PM
Author: sticky magenta really tough guy internal respiration

Look up the calories for OIL and BUTTER

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161601)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:29 PM
Author: canary blathering senate gaming laptop

your BMI is overweight but not yet obese

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161605)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:32 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

trying to cop dat "HEALTHY" flame bmi level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161619)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:28 PM
Author: Bull headed nursing home athletic conference

That's not keto, bro. You should not be eating more than 30 net carbs per day with a normal exercise regimen. Otherwise, your body is not using fat for energy. The beans in the chili are fucking you. Pick a cheat DAY once per week, instead of trying to spread out cheat MEALS every few days, as each one knocks you out of ketosis and makes it harder for your body to adapt to it - especially in the early stages of keto.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161595)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:30 PM
Author: sticky magenta really tough guy internal respiration

Keto is 100% flame

I eat like 80% carbs and have BMI 18 and lost 10 pounds last year eating a high carb diet/whatever I want

OP should actually count the calories* and he will be fine. He is grossly underestimating his caloric intake.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161607)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:34 PM
Author: Bull headed nursing home athletic conference

I did it, and it works. I have since jumped ship, since I hated feeling like an alien to anyone I ate out with asking me why I always get meat and salad. Keto is just one way to not be a fat piece of shit and have energy throughout the day, but it's cult following is annoying. I agree the issue here is he is underestimating his caloric intake. If he recently started working out, I think he is eating more because his body is not used to burning more calories.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161633)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:37 PM
Author: sticky magenta really tough guy internal respiration

Doesnt keto make your breath and sweat smell disgusting?

I have never been a huge meat eater, so don't think I could do it.

I am like 80% carbs, some veggies, some meat eater. I should up my veggie intake though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161656)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:44 PM
Author: Bull headed nursing home athletic conference

No effect on breath or sweat. You can basically eat meat, cheese, nuts, oils, and greens. That covers a lot of shit, but most often these foods are served with carbs that get stored as fat (bread, sugar, fries, fruits, etc.). Carbs slow everyone down unless you train like Michael Phelps. You'll notice not having "that 2:30 feeling" if you have a steak salad for lunch without bread on the side.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161702)



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Date: January 17th, 2018 10:29 PM
Author: 180 flesh turdskin

Last sentence is so true.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35180510)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:28 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

today i had Panda Express -- 7 savior chicken with vegetables. According to them around 400 calories all in for lunch. Probably going to have grilled chicken and vegetables for dinner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161591)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:28 PM
Author: canary blathering senate gaming laptop

Indian food and Panda Express is your diet? lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161596)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:33 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

I'm a hard worker bro. no time to "meal prep" like a woman or fag.

This is the #s according to them. I added an extra 100 calories.

https://www.pandaexpress.com/menu/entrees/8-treasure-chicken-breast

Also worked out an hour -- running, light lifting for reps, then fucking around hitting the bag and jumping rope for 10 minutes cool down.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161629)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:12 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal property ceo

LOL, are you a foreigner or something? Lifting for reps and skipping rope?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161918)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:39 PM
Author: Racy Principal's Office

(fat faggot afraid of exercise)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35162140)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

I appreciate the nutrition advice but I could literally beat and/or choke you to death in under a minute fat or not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35162148)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 7:55 PM
Author: Hateful Lascivious Chad

no person who is actually strong and capable has ever responded this way on the internet. it's inevitably some skinnyfat turd who clawed his way up to a 225 bench junior year of college and has gone to seed ever since.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35163554)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 4:02 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

yeah but this time it's true

edit: or are you talking about watchmen

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35203782)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:28 PM
Author: Tripping Ticket Booth

muscle is more dense than fat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161592)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:34 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

crrrrrr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161632)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 9:07 PM
Author: canary blathering senate gaming laptop

so imagine how much fat you put on since none of it was muscle.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35163987)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:35 PM
Author: Coiffed Sanctuary Organic Girlfriend

Poasting in a 200 poast bro science thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161640)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:37 PM
Author: Tripping Ticket Booth

bro science has some truth to it. these “scientists” are always experimenting on mice and don’t know shit.

for ex: Carbs are healthy for you. LJLoooooolll

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161655)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:37 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

this is not flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161657)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:51 PM
Author: sadistic stain

op what do you do when you work out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161748)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:59 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

generally 45 mins-hour. 15 min jog warm up. 15-25 minutes lifts -- generally lower weight for higher reps. 10-15 minute cool down either jumping rope, hitting a heavy bag, or back on the treadmill.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161819)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 8:11 PM
Author: sadistic stain

lol that's why you still have tits faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35163663)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:55 PM
Author: lake clown meetinghouse

If you really have put on 5 lbs working out everyday and eating 1500 calories, time to check yourself into Livermore National Laboratory.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161784)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 3:58 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

god damnit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161816)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:02 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

What is xo's consensus on diet coke?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161836)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:03 PM
Author: spectacular bright area voyeur

cr. his body will show them how to solve the world's energy problems.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161849)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:05 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

Could be a pituitary issue

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161860)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:05 PM
Author: shivering piazza

poison. Give that swill up asap

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161864)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:06 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

but it says 0 calories 0 carb

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161871)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:08 PM
Author: shivering piazza

aspartame is poison

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161883)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:06 PM
Author: sticky magenta really tough guy internal respiration

Diet coke tastes gross to me

I think the stuff in it causes liver cancer..

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161866)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 9:07 PM
Author: canary blathering senate gaming laptop

you're def an obesemo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35163989)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:04 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

Seems like the majority of scorn on here is aimed towards the indian food. I'll cut that shit out the next couple weeks and see what happens. I never claimed it was healthy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161852)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:07 PM
Author: Bull headed nursing home athletic conference

If you made the indian food yourself, you can actually track the calories and carbs. On paper, it should be keto friendly. But, in restaurants, they load curries with sugar and carbs so you can't track shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161874)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:13 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal property ceo

You eat in restaurants every day and your workouts are chump shit. That is your problem.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161924)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 8:58 PM
Author: curious shaky crackhouse crotch

If you eat healthy during the week it is absolutely NBD to have a high calorie Indian meal on the weekend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35163922)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:10 PM
Author: Self-centered abusive friendly grandma

If you look better, who cares. Maybe you got taller

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161903)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 5:02 PM
Author: Rebellious Site Preventive Strike

This. Plus your 1500 calories per day is wrong. Either way, don't give up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35162259)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:11 PM
Author: useless mildly autistic address

1. You miscounted your calories

2. You gained water weight

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35161907)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Odious indian lodge juggernaut

Not even doing "keto" properly - you need to be sub 30g of carbs for a couple weeks to see results, not 50-100 (probably more given your lack of accuracy in measuring your diet generally ITT). Been keto for 3 years here...when you're starting out:

Don't eat out - ever. Pick a few basic meals that meet the target macros and stick with it, WITHOUT variation. It might suck for a bit, but it's far easier to control and as you get the hang of it, you can add foods in.

For example, when starting - my day would look something like this:

Breakfast - Two hard-boiled eggs, and 1 piece of turkey sausage (plain shit, none of that maple syrup covered nonsense). Coffee with a bit of full cream.

Snack - 20 almonds

Lunch - Couple slices of turkey breast lunchmeat, a piece of cheese (usually pepper jack), 6 sticks of celery with some bleu cheese dressing (full fat, anything else will be diluted and have higher carb content), and a green heavy salad (think kale, broccoli, spinach - with some cheese and a fat forward dressing; you have to be careful with sugary dressings, or salads with lots of carrots, corn, beans, peanuts, or any other thing that can get you off track for keto).

Dinner - Grilled chicken breast or piece of cod/salmon - small side salad (following the same as above) with cucumber, and a vegetable side - broccoli, asparagus, green beans, or cauliflower.

No snacks. Drink water all day, and give yourself ONE diet drink per day with a meal (I do it with lunch). Yes there are zero cals/carbs, but the fake sugar can make your body crave more sugar and get you off track.

Seriously, follow this for 10 days, and I GUARANTEE you drop 10 lbs. (yes, most will be water weight but you'll see the right results).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35162095)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:43 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

Sounds like the key is not eating out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35162157)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:52 PM
Author: Racy Principal's Office

the key is eating less. eat what you want, eat out, don't be a fag who fusses over their food

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35162213)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:58 PM
Author: Odious indian lodge juggernaut

That's just one - you also have to really educate yourself (as said elsewhere ITT) about the foods you're eating. If you're truly trying to do keto, it's very easy to exceed your ketosis limit with even quite healthy foods at home.

Take kale for instance - let's say you have 2 cups of kale in a salad for lunch. That has a little over 5g of net carbs per cup, so you're already at 10 carbs (i.e., 1/3 of your daily limit) with just that. Between that and any other veggies and dressing, you're at half or beyond.

After being hypervigilant with measuring and accounting for awhile, you'll get the hang of it and you'll be able to go out on occasion- but with greater understanding of what you're actually eating.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35162241)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:43 PM
Author: irate community account

so a twink gains muscle+strength without putting on fat and he's asking if he should stop what he's doing?

then most poasters focus on stupid details of his diet? wtf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35162161)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: Hateful Lascivious Chad

he's probably kind of tubby at 5'10"/180 something pounds. he said he was drinking a shitload and not in good shape, sounds like his diet was pretty shitty too. in reality he's probably more like 5'10 in shoes and goes up to around 190 if he's not paying attention, which is legit beer gut territory.

no way put on five pounds of muscle based on what he has posted about his workouts and diet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35162187)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 5:10 PM
Author: irate community account

sure thats mostly water weight but he started at 5'11" 177 and didnt seem to put on any fat while gaining muscle. no way is that a bad thing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35162307)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 7:56 PM
Author: Hateful Lascivious Chad

he didn't gain that much muscle in a month, even with n00b gains.

assuming his diet was actually correct and he lost a little fat and is carrying more water weight, his still would have gained 3-4 lbs. of lean mass doing really light work at the gym and eating a caloric deficit. there is no gear strong enough on the planet to support that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35163560)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 8:16 PM
Author: irate community account

what are you talking about. i assume he gained maybe a pound of muscle and the rest is water/not taking into account contents of digestive tract before and after

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35163686)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 8:28 PM
Author: sable awkward marketing idea market

Water weight wouldn't explain it unless he's taking massive doses of creatine. Hydration almost always evens out unless you're doing something really strange, and that applies to even heavy drinkers. Virtually nobody is chronically dehydrated or walking around at some weird 'water weight' that can be radically altered in a few weeks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35163733)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:59 PM
Author: carnelian school police squad

mods!

I've been keeping track and will poast every week's meals. Also weighed in at 177 yesterday so weight has dropped. And again I do look significantly better than before I started. About to walk to the gym after I had hangar steak and 2 eggs for a late lunch -- will likely be my only food today.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35203766)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 9:08 PM
Author: canary blathering senate gaming laptop

this obese faggot just put on more lard. He obviously has no idea what he's doing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35163998)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 8:46 PM
Author: Fluffy school cafeteria idiot

low carb diets reek havoc on muscle tissue

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26278052

assuming +/- 2 ;bs in initial weigh in, probably lost a pound of muscle, gained 3 lbs of fat, and slowed down metabolic rate while decreasing total testosterone levels

98% of serious athletes eat a diet high in protein, high in complex carbs, and low in fat; eat lots of oats, potatoes, rice; some whole wheat pasta; lots of fish, egg whites, beans, and tofu/tempeh



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35163827)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 8:50 PM
Author: sable awkward marketing idea market

you are relentless with your bullshit diet. nobody cares.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35163856)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 8:51 PM
Author: Fluffy school cafeteria idiot

by "bullshit diet" you mean a diet that 99% of medical doctors, dietitians and nutritionists are in agreement with?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35163861)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 10:33 PM
Author: Hateful Lascivious Chad

kill yourself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35164796)



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Date: January 16th, 2018 2:13 AM
Author: Razzmatazz Chest-beating Patrolman Affirmative Action

I come to xo for the substantive responses

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35166039)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 8:55 PM
Author: curious shaky crackhouse crotch

Lol at all these insane diets. None of it is necessary to look good.

During the week: skip breakfast, eat two large relatively healthy meals, have some eggs, can of tuna or protein shake at night.

Weekend: eat what you want if you're out, but otherwise eat chicken/rice p/veggies

Most important part: drink only water/black coffee (unless you are out boozing on the weekend)

Combine this with heavy lifting, and you should be good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35163902)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 9:03 PM
Author: Fluffy school cafeteria idiot

fine, but you have ketotards saying ad libidum amounts of saturated fat is healthy when it has been conclusively demonstrated that high LDL causes, and is not just correlated with, heart disease as of 2017

https://www.eas-society.org/page/LDLcausesASCVD

the % of "experts" who say keto is healthy is the same % of "experts" who deny the big bang theory or that the earth is round



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35163955)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 9:11 PM
Author: curious shaky crackhouse crotch

What is the purpose of keto? To get ripped, or do they think it's healthier than eating a moderate a,out of carbs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35164016)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 9:28 PM
Author: Mind-boggling house gay wizard

First, OP is not doing keto at 100 carbs a day and this is likely all flame

In answer to your question, the point of low carb is to keep insulin low, which makes it easier for the body to mobilize fat stores so you are not as hungry when on a calorie restricted diet. The diet is most helpful for pre-diabetics and type 2s whose insulin levels are sky high from insulin resistance.

If you are not hungry, it is easier to eat less - this is why after keto adapted, people are like I can eat whatever I want so long as it is low carb because they stop wanting to eat large portions (unless they start eating carbs again, and then they are back where they were).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35164179)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 9:32 PM
Author: Fluffy school cafeteria idiot

the insulin theory of weight loss/weight gain has been thoroughly disproven

also fats are the least satiating of macronutrients; protein and starches are the most; sugar is less so but actually more than fat

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK53550/

http://sciencedrivennutrition.com/truth-high-fat-diets/

people say stuff like pizza, donuts, and cookies are "carbs" when in reality, all three of those foods derive most of their calories from fats; one and a half tablespoons of butter has the same amount of calories as 1 and a half cup of oats

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35164212)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 9:39 PM
Author: Fluffy school cafeteria idiot

also the whole keto myth that well people stopped eating fat in their diet in the 70s and then they gained weight is bullshit; Americans have never adopted a low-fat diet, they just ate more of everything

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/97/4/848.long

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35164268)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 9:31 PM
Author: Fluffy school cafeteria idiot

some people think it's the "natural" human diet and is thus healthy, these are the people who do actual keto (85% calories from fat, 10% protein, 5% carbs); your body stops using glucose (from carbs/protein) and uses ketones; although not all cells in your body can actually use ketones for energy

then you have bodybuilders who say they're doing "keto" but who are just eating boatloads of protein with no carbs or fat (nothing but chicken breast, tuna, etc.), you're not in ketosis when you do this; your body converts extra protein into glucose; problem is this wrecks your health markers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35164206)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 9:28 PM
Author: bat shit crazy temple generalized bond

similar shit happened to me and i decided to strictly eat shit with published calorie counts. Ended up eating a lot of instant oatmeal and lean cuisine type 300 calorie frozen meals. Not the healthiest choice or stuff that necessarily hit nutritional ideals, but it worked to keep calories down.

Ended up dropping a couple pounds of weight a week. I was sort of similar stats to you starting off--6'0, 200.

i also oddly found that i'd lose more weight on the days after drinking. might be a sort of water weight thing, i dunno.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35164187)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 9:30 PM
Author: Crystalline trailer park

yea weird that after drinking when you're dehydrated you'd have less water weight, lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35164194)



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Date: January 15th, 2018 9:37 PM
Author: bat shit crazy temple generalized bond

i thought of dehydration thing, but when you google this issue it's mostly people complaining about gaining (water) weight after a big night of drinking so i dunno.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35164247)



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Date: January 16th, 2018 2:19 AM
Author: Demanding Hideous Karate Tanning Salon

whole food plant based diet

https://nutritionfacts.org/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35166043)



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Date: January 17th, 2018 10:11 PM
Author: Fluffy school cafeteria idiot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35180364)



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Date: January 16th, 2018 2:26 AM
Author: chestnut heady hall deer antler

You wouldn't think that "all I eat is tikki masala and fritters but I can't lose weight" would get so many replies but op played it pretty slow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35166048)



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Date: January 16th, 2018 2:27 AM
Author: excitant navy office ape

All of the following could be happening:

-you are a nomuscle twink and overestimated your maintenance calories by a few hundred

-it's almost certain that you're underestimating your intake. If you're even off by a few hundred cals per day and alao slip up and overeat on carb load/cheat day by 1000 calories (which is easy-an 8000+ day is possible if you binge and most people's concept of "cheat" day comports with 3500-5000 calories)

-water weight but not likely if you're on a weekly ckd cycle and are comparing same day to same day. In general you should be blowing up from carbs and carrying no water on keto

-keto can make you carry a lot of shit so pay attention to that when taking weight

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35166051)



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Date: January 16th, 2018 12:31 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle rigpig mood

if you only did this for a week or two id say water weight / glycogen stores

but if you truly did 1500 cals/day / worked out 5 times a week over a month there is nooo way you're not losing BF

you are probably fucking up your calorie counts

maybe drink some alcohol and see if you get a 'woosh'

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3860380&forum_id=2#35168094)