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The US needs a Grande Ecole system
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Date: January 17th, 2018 4:06 PM Author: Aphrodisiac ultramarine son of senegal The majority of Harvard's class this year is non-white. Many of the whites are likely the beneficiary of being the children of wealthy donors. They will spend four years being indoctrinated with leftist nonsense. These are our future leaders. How much sense of responsibility and patriotic feeling will these people have? They certainly won't be exposed to it in their formative years in college.
We desperately need something like the French Grandes Ecoles model. There is no bump for dumb alumni kids. They don't give a fuck about diversity. It is purely merit based and free and inculcates an elite attitude that prioritizes France and the French. They are not creating collages on the topic of the evils of French imperialism.
http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2008/02/les-grandes-ecoles.html
The École Polytechnique was founded in 1794, during the French Revolution, to train the country’s military engineers, and it officially remains under the umbrella of the French ministry of defense. Not only is the school free, but students also receive a stipend from the government to cover their expenses.
“We call it l’élitisme démocratique,” says Pierre Tapie, dean of Essec, a leading French business school. “These are places where you meet extraordinary people who are there because they worked hard and are among the most brilliant of a generation.”
Although the school teaches high-end fare like physics, engineering, and computer sciences, its broader goal is to create a leadership cadre that shares an ordered, prioritized view of the world, says Xavier Michel, the president of the École Polytechnique and an active-duty general in the French armed forces.
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Date: January 17th, 2018 4:17 PM Author: Aphrodisiac ultramarine son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862941&forum_id=2#35177799) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 4:21 PM Author: 180 theatre rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862941&forum_id=2#35177843) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 4:21 PM Author: crawly principal's office stock car france doesnt technically recognize race, so they can't do AA. otherwise, we do have that, it's called are top ~10 universities. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862941&forum_id=2#35177847) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 4:27 PM Author: Aphrodisiac ultramarine son of senegal Our top ten aren't truly merit based. Harvard's class of 50+ percent minorities and children of the wealthy prove that. Also, the curriculum at a place like Harvard is very different than a Grande Ecole. The only real comparable schools are probably CalTech/MIT and the University of Chicago. And even they aren't close, because they don't try to inculcate a sense of patriotism and duty. Their best engineering school is a cross between CalTech and West Point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862941&forum_id=2#35177887) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 4:28 PM Author: fear-inspiring passionate base we lost the idea that a college is meant to educate citizens. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862941&forum_id=2#35177893) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 4:33 PM Author: Aphrodisiac ultramarine son of senegal It is all about multiculturalism and "progressive" values now. Many of the students aren't even American now at elite schools. There is no place outside of the service academies that are dedicated to creating an American elite.
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Date: January 17th, 2018 4:41 PM Author: underhanded whorehouse generalized bond A cross between Caltech and West Point sounds like it wouldn’t be very much fun. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862941&forum_id=2#35177990) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 4:44 PM Author: Aphrodisiac ultramarine son of senegal It is not as extreme as that description implies. But yeah, it probably is not anywhere near as much fun as going to a Big Ten school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862941&forum_id=2#35178009) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 4:45 PM Author: underhanded whorehouse generalized bond The students get paid and get uniforms at least, that’s kind of fun. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862941&forum_id=2#35178017) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 4:49 PM Author: glassy useless gas station Would be way more than 50% minorities if merit-based (see e.g. Stuyvesant 72%% Asian). And the Grandes Ecoles are dominated by wealthy families. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862941&forum_id=2#35178039) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 4:52 PM Author: Aphrodisiac ultramarine son of senegal Yeah, it would probably have a lot of Jews/Asians. That is fine. Not trying to create an all-white college. And realistically wealthy kids are going to get better exam prep opportunities. Which is fine. Having smart connected kids in the class is good for everyone. The only way you are going to avoid having a lot of wealthy kids in a class would be to actively discriminate against them - which is stupid. There is no way to truly level the playing field 100% and it is fruitless and counterproductive to try. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862941&forum_id=2#35178066) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 4:31 PM Author: Adventurous mustard plaza friendly grandma will be closed down as racist after 5 years when 95% of the class is white/jew/turd and 5% hispanic who look like innaritu/cameron diaz. maybe 2 or 3 blacks would get in assuming a class size of 5000~6000 spread across 4 geographically distributed institutions (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862941&forum_id=2#35177908) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 4:35 PM Author: Aphrodisiac ultramarine son of senegal It would be like the exam high schools in NYC - there would be a huge push to be more "holistic" in admissions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862941&forum_id=2#35177937) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 4:32 PM Author: glassy useless gas station It would look a lot like the Chinese, Korean, or Japanese systems, an arms race of stress, including the fact that 80% would be Asian. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862941&forum_id=2#35177917) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 4:40 PM Author: Aphrodisiac ultramarine son of senegal Work is stressful and hard. Why should an elite education be any different? Kids can still go to an SEC school, join a frat and major in finance if they want.
Their admission process sounds fair to me. Much better than our system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandes_écoles
To be admitted into most of the French Grandes Écoles, most students study in a two-year preparatory program in one of the CPGE (see below) before taking a set of competitive national exams. Different exams are required by groups (called "banques") of different schools. The national exams are sets of written tests, given over the course of several weeks, that challenge the student on the intensive studies of the previous two years. During the summer, those students who succeed in the written exams then take a further set of exams, usually one-hour oral exams, during which they are given a problem to solve. After 20 minutes of preparation, the candidate presents the solution to a professor, who challenges the candidate on the answer and the assumptions being made. Afterwards, candidates receive a final national ranking which determines admission to their Grandes Écoles of choice. |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 4:38 PM Author: sable office But the average HYPSM undergrad is still smarter than average at Grande Ecole. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862941&forum_id=2#35177967) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 4:40 PM Author: Adventurous mustard plaza friendly grandma relevance? its about optimizing the admissions process not about beating grand ecole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862941&forum_id=2#35177986) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 4:44 PM Author: Aphrodisiac ultramarine son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862941&forum_id=2#35178012) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 4:43 PM Author: Aphrodisiac ultramarine son of senegal If you separate out the merit based students, this is almost certainly correct. We have a much bigger population and also international students to draw from.
This is about teaching values, such as patriotism/duty to country, and having a purely merit-based system.
In many ways it would be a stress relief for those aspiring to an elite education. No need to worry about BS activities and volunteer work. |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 4:45 PM Author: underhanded whorehouse generalized bond (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862941&forum_id=2#35178020) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 4:44 PM Author: underhanded whorehouse generalized bond My guess is that the “average” is actually pulled down heavily by AA and athletics at HYPS. Less at MC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862941&forum_id=2#35178010) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 7:19 PM Author: Big circlehead Isn't this what the service academies are supposed to be? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862941&forum_id=2#35179081) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 7:25 PM Author: Aphrodisiac ultramarine son of senegal No, the service academies are strictly training military leaders. The Ecoles are for elite civilian students. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3862941&forum_id=2#35179111) |
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Date: January 17th, 2018 8:04 PM Author: disturbing curious brethren +1 on need for civics. -1 on need for rigor.
People don't need to be human computers or databases anymore. |