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Does Glenn Greenwald Know More Than Robert Mueller? [NY Mag]

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/glenn-greenwald...
lavender talented spot
  01/21/18
Thanks to this never-ending hot take, Greenwald has been exc...
green temple
  01/21/18
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“Think about one interesting, creative, like, intellectually...
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thats XO Glenn Greenwald to you
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“If you believe the 2016 election was a populist uprising ag...
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  01/21/18
What’s the lie?
Kink-friendly cyan dragon abode
  01/21/18
then you might be a pumo
Marvelous Stain Internal Respiration
  01/21/18
it’s WLMAS
pungent locus regret
  01/21/18
Then you’d be wrong. Trump is his own man and not some Russi...
Black Spectacular Messiness
  01/21/18
then you might be an acloholic bastard child
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Then you’re an intellectually bankrupt tinfoil hat nitwit li...
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  01/23/18
Glad this author captured his utter intellectual dishonesty:...
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huh amazing glen greenwald doesn't see wikileaks asking don ...
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Canary Concupiscible Feces
  01/23/18
lol we've threaded extensively about this. U think u goi...
Canary Concupiscible Feces
  01/21/18
About what? His utter intellectual dishonesty?
Kink-friendly cyan dragon abode
  01/21/18
WLMAS unhinged? Never
Floppy Gaping
  01/21/18
O WHAT A RANDOM PIECE OF BAD REPORTING
drab people who are hurt
  01/21/18
the Don Jr. wikileaks thing has been debunked. The communica...
Dashing abnormal university quadroon
  01/21/18
I think you’re talking about something else. But the point i...
Kink-friendly cyan dragon abode
  01/21/18
what facts
Apoplectic Area Queen Of The Night
  01/21/18
Oh I don’t know. Link to Greenwald writing about the fact th...
Kink-friendly cyan dragon abode
  01/21/18
oh so the stuff that turned out to be a fantasy set-up paid ...
Apoplectic Area Queen Of The Night
  01/21/18
He's dead on about Rachel Maddow. She's basically Alex Jones...
Crimson Newt
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  01/21/18
she's no Alex Jones
Marvelous Stain Internal Respiration
  01/21/18
Cr
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I used to watch her nightly while in law school. ljl at her ...
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  01/21/18
Lol at all you former libs You all make me sick!
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she's destroyed herself. she rambles like one of those evang...
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Why has NY Mag become such a Russia collusion fever swamp? I...
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NYC probably has the highest (by far) proportion of ppl who ...
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  01/21/18
why does the author of this article assume that Robert Muell...
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these people's brains are permanently deranged by their need...
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like half of this thread
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Canary Concupiscible Feces
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He may or may not be honest or knowledgeable about Russia, b...
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Date: January 21st, 2018 2:36 PM
Author: lavender talented spot

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/glenn-greenwald-russia-investigation.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203331)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 2:41 PM
Author: green temple

Thanks to this never-ending hot take, Greenwald has been excommunicated from the liberal salons that celebrated him in the Snowden era; anybody who questions the Russia consensus, he says, “becomes a blasphemer. Becomes a heretic. I think that’s what they see me as.” Greenwald is no longer invited on MSNBC, and he’s portrayed in the Twitter fever swamp as a leading villain of the self-styled Resistance. “I used to be really good friends with Rachel Maddow,” he says. “And I’ve seen her devolution from this really interesting, really smart, independent thinker into this utterly scripted, intellectually dishonest, partisan hack.” His view of the liberal online media is equally charitable. “Think about one interesting, creative, like, intellectually novel thing that [Vox’s] Matt Yglesias or Ezra Klein have said in like ten years,” he says. “In general, they’re just churning out Democratic Party agitprop every single day of the most superficial type.” (Reached for comment, none of these people would respond to Greenwald.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203359)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 7:41 PM
Author: glassy site tattoo

PWNPWNPWN

I used to be really good friends with Rachel Maddow,” he says. “And I’ve seen her devolution from this really interesting, really smart, independent thinker into this utterly scripted, intellectually dishonest, partisan hack.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35205483)



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 5:14 AM
Author: Twinkling Submissive Location



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 4:50 AM
Author: cracking parlour

“Think about one interesting, creative, like, intellectually novel thing that [Vox’s] Matt Yglesias or Ezra Klein have said in like ten years,” he says.

Absolutely Devastating. And it has the added benefit of being true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35215730)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 2:49 PM
Author: Bull headed stirring hall

thats XO Glenn Greenwald to you



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203404)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 2:51 PM
Author: Galvanic Jet Mood Round Eye



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:15 PM
Author: drab people who are hurt



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Date: January 21st, 2018 2:52 PM
Author: Apoplectic Area Queen Of The Night



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Date: January 21st, 2018 2:54 PM
Author: Canary Concupiscible Feces



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Date: January 21st, 2018 2:54 PM
Author: Kink-friendly cyan dragon abode

“If you believe the 2016 election was a populist uprising against complacent elites, the Russia preoccupation can seem like an effort to ignore what Trump voters — and Sanders voters — were trying to say. Alternatively, if you believe Trump’s victory was a Russia-perpetrated fraud, normalcy is restored simply by removing him from office. Which, conveniently, is what many hope Mueller’s Russia probe will do.”

What if you believe it was a popular uprising and that Trump also happens to be compromised by Russia because he spent the last 15 years laundering money for Kremlin-connected oligarchs and criminals ?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203432)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:20 PM
Author: cerise irradiated mad cow disease masturbator



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:22 PM
Author: Kink-friendly cyan dragon abode

What’s the lie?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203547)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:26 PM
Author: Marvelous Stain Internal Respiration

then you might be a pumo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203576)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 5:08 PM
Author: pungent locus regret

it’s WLMAS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35204231)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:27 PM
Author: Black Spectacular Messiness

Then you’d be wrong. Trump is his own man and not some Russian plant.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203582)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 4:20 PM
Author: Soul-stirring psychic parlor

then you might be an acloholic bastard child

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203883)



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 1:00 AM
Author: glassy site tattoo

Then you’re an intellectually bankrupt tinfoil hat nitwit like wlmas

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35215347)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:12 PM
Author: Kink-friendly cyan dragon abode

Glad this author captured his utter intellectual dishonesty:

there’s virtually no revelation in the Russia story that could get Greenwald to change his mind. Which means that while Scahill and other Intercept colleagues tend to evaluate each new revelation at face value, Greenwald focuses disproportionately on debunked or overblown Russia stories. Ever the lawyer, he curates evidence that suits his argument. More than a year ago, the Washington Post published an erroneous story alleging that Russia had hacked into a U.S. electrical grid in Vermont. Greenwald continues to bring this up. To him, it’s not just a random piece of bad reporting but a crucial exhibit in a case he’s building.

Which makes his lack of interest in a report the Intercept itself produced all the more curious. In June, it published an explosive story that Russia had attempted to infiltrate voter-registration systems days before the election by sending phishing emails to more than 100 local election officials.

...

Greenwald’s selective outrage has become habitual. In November, The Atlantic published Twitter correspondence from 2016 in which a WikiLeaks representative gave Donald Trump Jr. campaign advice.

Greenwald pooh-poohed the coordination, implying that Julian Assange was just playing his usual 4-D chess. Barrett Brown — a pro-transparency autodidact who served more than four years in federal prison for spreading hacked data and won a National Magazine Award for Intercept essays he wrote while incarcerated — was livid. “He doesn’t seem to be engaging on the actual revelations that keep coming out on Russia and Trump’s people,” Brown says. “My best guess is he’s just ignoring these things in favor of the less difficult argument that some people who are backing the Trump-Russia narrative are full of shit.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203507)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:17 PM
Author: Apoplectic Area Queen Of The Night

huh amazing glen greenwald doesn't see wikileaks asking don jr for a copy of his dads tax returns as proof of some large russian conspiracy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203531)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:21 PM
Author: Galvanic Jet Mood Round Eye



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 1:14 AM
Author: Canary Concupiscible Feces



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:18 PM
Author: Canary Concupiscible Feces

lol

we've threaded extensively about this. U think u going to get a W here, unhinged pumo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203536)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:20 PM
Author: Kink-friendly cyan dragon abode

About what? His utter intellectual dishonesty?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203541)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:21 PM
Author: Floppy Gaping

WLMAS unhinged? Never

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203544)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:20 PM
Author: drab people who are hurt

O WHAT A RANDOM PIECE OF BAD REPORTING

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203539)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:22 PM
Author: Dashing abnormal university quadroon

the Don Jr. wikileaks thing has been debunked. The communications about wikileaks info occured when the info was already public

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203548)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:24 PM
Author: Kink-friendly cyan dragon abode

I think you’re talking about something else. But the point is that Greenwalds arguments are never honest, he simply ignores facts that get in the way of them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203563)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:29 PM
Author: Apoplectic Area Queen Of The Night

what facts



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203589)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:45 PM
Author: Kink-friendly cyan dragon abode

Oh I don’t know. Link to Greenwald writing about the fact that the Russian lawyer who met with Trumps entire high command, and was accompanied by a handful of intelligence agents, was in town to attend a hearing in a money laundering case in the SDNY against her clients, a group of FSB thugs who did this ( https://m.imgur.com/2lSLFM1?r ) to a Russian lawyer for Sergei Magnitsky, a political prisoner who uncovered their crimes (and was killed in custody)?

Did Greenwald tweet about the fact that while meeting with the Trump campaigns entire high command--including his idiot son, his now indicted campaign manager, and his soon-to-be indicted son in law--this Russian FSB lawyer lobbied for the elimination of the Magnitzky Act, a great law that is reviled by Russia's kleptocratic leaders, who are drawn from the worst elements of the legacy Soviet security apparatus?

Did Greenwald write any lengthy screeds about the meeting on AF1 the day news of the Don Jr meeting broke? The one in which the compromised “president” crafted his idiot son's response, saying the meeting was about "adoptions," which revealed that it was actually about the Mangitzky Act?

Has Greenwald ever tweeted about the fact that Trumps national security adviser visited GRU headquarters, or that a campaign advisers energy issues met with literal SVR recruiters on multiple occasions over several years? Or about the email Trumps campaign manager sent to Putin lackey / oligarch Oleg Deripaska, offering private briefings about the presidential campaign?

Has Glenn ever mentioned the real estate conference in Moscow in which Don Jr said “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia" and that "Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets."? Has he ever retweeted the Reuters story about Trump Tower Panama being a huge money laundering vehicle for Russian criminals?

Has he ever expressed any interest about the $96 million sale of a Trump mansion to a Russian oligarch who bought that property at the height of the housing crash and paid 2x as much for it as Trump did at the height of the housing bubble? Ever retweet Palm Beach Post stories noting that the Russian oligarch did zero due diligence, never occupied the home and then razed it without setting foot in it? Ever retweet subsequent articles citing FAA records that showed that on multiple occasions during the campaign, the Russian oligarchs private jet randomly touched down in airports that Trump had just touched down in?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203689)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 4:15 PM
Author: Apoplectic Area Queen Of The Night

oh so the stuff that turned out to be a fantasy set-up paid for by GPS Fusion and the Clinton campaign?

no dont understand why he doesnt obsess over those 'facts'



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203852)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:25 PM
Author: Crimson Newt

He's dead on about Rachel Maddow. She's basically Alex Jones at this time. I watched her Trump thing and it was insane Russia conspiracy mongering. Then I stumbled across her show last week and she was drawing equally insane dots between Trump and Kazahkhstan or some other hellhole. It reminded me of Glenn Beck when he had the chalkboard and went insane.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203564)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:28 PM
Author: adventurous liquid oxygen center



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:29 PM
Author: Marvelous Stain Internal Respiration

she's no Alex Jones

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203593)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:30 PM
Author: sexy cuckold

Cr

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Date: January 21st, 2018 4:23 PM
Author: Soul-stirring psychic parlor

I used to watch her nightly while in law school. ljl at her decline into full-blown mental illness

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203922)



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 1:03 AM
Author: glassy site tattoo

Lol at all you former libs

You all make me sick!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35215352)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 4:31 PM
Author: Citrine Whorehouse

she's destroyed herself. she rambles like one of those evangelical radio preachers who just go on and on and on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203986)



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 3:58 AM
Author: curious flesh ceo theater



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:35 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring sex offender

Why has NY Mag become such a Russia collusion fever swamp? Is this really an article of faith among the wannabe Hamptons set?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203621)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:58 PM
Author: Kink-friendly cyan dragon abode

NYC probably has the highest (by far) proportion of ppl who (correctly) believe that Trump is a compromised Russian stooge.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203764)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 4:21 PM
Author: Soul-stirring psychic parlor

why does the author of this article assume that Robert Mueller knows anything? it's a far safer assumption that anything Mueller knows that's damaging to Trump was leaked to the msm the instant it was found

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203898)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: drab people who are hurt

these people's brains are permanently deranged by their need to believe this nonsense. just read any unhinged wlmas rant

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203931)



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 1:03 AM
Author: glassy site tattoo



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 4:00 AM
Author: racy saffron hospital

like half of this thread

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Date: January 23rd, 2018 4:25 AM
Author: Canary Concupiscible Feces



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Date: January 21st, 2018 4:58 PM
Author: Fuchsia Violent Filthpig Keepsake Machete

He may or may not be honest or knowledgeable about Russia, but I think we can all agree with this take on Klein/Yglesias. There was a brief period in the 2000s where they sort of tried and they were young enough to think that they might develop into good thinkers/writers. Oh well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35204175)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 5:10 PM
Author: green temple



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 12:59 AM
Author: glassy site tattoo



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