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Lib here: Democrats lost this shutdown

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most Americans don't support DACA
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Probably depends how it's phrased "pollsters" c...
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You really don't know wtf you are talking about.
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They have a bad bargaining position since federal workers vo...
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agreed, shut down is 180
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i think they did an excellent job explaining how they put il...
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Schumer literally right now on the Senate floor pleading w t...
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i dont get this at all. i get the STRATEGY behind it, but i...
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Trump forced their true intentions out in the open. THAT'...
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yeah...pretty much. but don't you still have to try and hid...
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schumer is smart and cynical and probably hates what is goin...
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yeah. they're acting on marching orders. and the leadershi...
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@AdamSerwer Republicans fear their base, and Democrats fe...
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@JuddLegum The argument, as I understand it, is that Trum...
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lol good.
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i'm thinking of a word that starts with the letter L
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@MEPFuller How this plays out: -Senate and House vote ...
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:_( Shutting down the government over DACA doesn’t make m...
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you make me sick
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(Guy who doesn’t live in a majority minority neighborhood)
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Russian Twitter-bots winning!
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@ComfortablySmug FACTS: - Dems got no policy changes ...
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Durbin stood on the Senate floor a few minutes ago and calle...
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civil = civis = citizen.
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They didn't win anything but they didn't lose either. Pollin...
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so why force a shutdown last friday shithead?
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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:19 PM
Author: out-of-control galvanic dopamine

:_(

I don’t think it means much, but the Dems didn’t do a good job explaining the shutdown. Plus, the shutdown barely even matters - people visited parks, DC, etc, employees miss a half day of work, stock markets are still up, etc. Plus, most Americans support DACA but it’s simply not top of mind for a majority of Americans, and not top of mind for a big portion of Dem voters. Negotiate a DACA fix in immigration negotiations with Trump regarding the wall and other stuff.

Looks like the shutdown will end today, but Dems messed this one up a bit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209586)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:20 PM
Author: lake exhilarant mexican parlor

most Americans don't support DACA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209590)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:20 PM
Author: Henna stag film ratface



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209596)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:25 PM
Author: concupiscible home tattoo

Probably depends how it's phrased

"pollsters" can influence this very easily

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209643)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 1:00 PM
Author: Azure potus karate

You really don't know wtf you are talking about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209988)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 7:26 PM
Author: Bearded aphrodisiac twinkling uncleanness property

Most do but if push came to shove most supporters don’t give a fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35213012)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 8:27 PM
Author: Razzmatazz set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35213527)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 8:57 PM
Author: supple autistic mad-dog skullcap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35213811)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:21 PM
Author: pungent prole temple

They have a bad bargaining position since federal workers vote Dem and reptiles have hostility toward government. So shutting is down is not a bug, but a feature!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209609)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:23 PM
Author: dark theatre

agreed, shut down is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209621)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:24 PM
Author: twinkling orchestra pit sound barrier



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209635)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:25 PM
Author: sickened pisswyrm

Independents are like "wtf, why are we doing this? So illegals can stay in the country? Seriously?" Everyone understands when Republicans shut it down because we can't borrow forever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209650)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:33 PM
Author: canary round eye jap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209719)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:24 PM
Author: Magenta ticket booth

i think they did an excellent job explaining how they put illegal aliens ahead of american citizens

odd that wasnt a winner for them



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209632)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:25 PM
Author: greedy jet patrolman puppy

Schumer literally right now on the Senate floor pleading w the President to "save the Dreamers"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209647)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:26 PM
Author: twinkling orchestra pit sound barrier

i dont get this at all. i get the STRATEGY behind it, but i don't get putting it "out on Front Street". this is one of those classic "we have to hide our true intentions because NO ONE will accept this" things.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209663)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:27 PM
Author: big ivory hell pocket flask

Trump forced their true intentions out in the open.

THAT's why they constantly portray him as Hitler/unhinged.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209671)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:29 PM
Author: twinkling orchestra pit sound barrier

yeah...pretty much. but don't you still have to try and hide? lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209688)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:34 PM
Author: Magenta ticket booth

schumer is smart and cynical and probably hates what is going on

but i get the vibe that a large part of the DNC actually believe catlady twitter is 65% of the population, trump won because of a Russian scam, and there is no need to hide this crazy anymore



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209734)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:47 PM
Author: twinkling orchestra pit sound barrier

yeah. they're acting on marching orders. and the leadership is miscalculating huge. i thought 2018 was going to be a blue house because of polling/libmedia. and that only a CALAMITOUS mistake would mess up this putt for them.

well...here it is. lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209866)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:31 PM
Author: sickened pisswyrm

Right. "This position is unacceptable, Trump is a Nazi and if you support him you're a Nazi too and deserve to be fired."

That's all they have right now. And they're using the media and "activists" to push that narrative.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209702)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:25 PM
Author: Talking keepsake machete market



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209648)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:25 PM
Author: sickened pisswyrm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209653)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:28 PM
Author: Aquamarine travel guidebook preventive strike



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209672)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 7:29 PM
Author: Passionate state



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35213028)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:28 PM
Author: pungent prole temple

@AdamSerwer

Republicans fear their base, and Democrats fear the GOP base, but Democrats do not fear their base at all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209677)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:30 PM
Author: pungent prole temple

@JuddLegum

The argument, as I understand it, is that Trump was obstinate and wouldn't negotiate and neither would the Republicans so therefore we are caving



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209697)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:31 PM
Author: twinkling orchestra pit sound barrier

lol good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209709)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:32 PM
Author: arousing sienna mediation

i'm thinking of a word that starts with the letter L

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209714)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:31 PM
Author: pungent prole temple

@MEPFuller

How this plays out:

-Senate and House vote to reopen govt thru Feb. 8.

-Another CR passes (either before or after another shutdown).

-Senate passes DACA bill.

-House passes its own DACA bill.

-Standoff between House and Senate.

-Another shutdown until one side caves.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209706)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:33 PM
Author: out-of-control galvanic dopamine

:_(

Shutting down the government over DACA doesn’t make much sense

Illegal immigrants are gonna be harassed until Trump is gone. Focus on things that make him less popular. In the meantime, the country is getting less white regardless of what Trump and Miller do, the demographics will come good for libs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209721)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:34 PM
Author: pungent prole temple

"Illegal immigrants are gonna be harassed until Trump is gone. Focus on things that make him less popular."

LOL lib instinct is to immediately destroy the country.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209733)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:39 PM
Author: lake exhilarant mexican parlor

you make me sick

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209788)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 7:34 PM
Author: Bearded aphrodisiac twinkling uncleanness property

(Guy who doesn’t live in a majority minority neighborhood)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35213061)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:34 PM
Author: Cyan Haunted Graveyard Friendly Grandma

Russian Twitter-bots winning!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209739)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:39 PM
Author: pungent prole temple

@ComfortablySmug

FACTS:

- Dems got no policy changes for this extension

- They could have just done this Friday

- Only votes changing from No on Friday to Yes today are Dems

- Proves this shutdown is on the Dems

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209791)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:41 PM
Author: greedy jet patrolman puppy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209816)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:56 PM
Author: Henna stag film ratface



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209950)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:39 PM
Author: greedy jet patrolman puppy

Durbin stood on the Senate floor a few minutes ago and called DACA the "civil rights issue of our generation."

Didn't they say that about gay marriage? And transgenders? And probably #MeToo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209796)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:42 PM
Author: out-of-control galvanic dopamine

:_(

Civil rights are as American of a traditional as capitalsm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209822)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:47 PM
Author: Magenta ticket booth

civil = civis = citizen.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209865)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 1:04 PM
Author: Provocative Rose Station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35210026)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 7:22 PM
Author: Talented Transparent Trailer Park



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35212989)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 7:26 PM
Author: sickened pisswyrm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35213015)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 8:18 PM
Author: Pearl Trip Nursing Home



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:56 PM
Author: Henna stag film ratface

tyft

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209952)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:59 PM
Author: Black business firm

is this spaceporn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209982)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 1:01 PM
Author: sickened pisswyrm

Let's keep it real here. This is a country freakin' founded by slave owners. Yes, it was a country founded on freedoms and liberties for certain classes of people, but it wasn't founded on the concept of unlimited freedom for absolutely everyone. And until now, the concept of absolute freedoms for illegal immigrants would have been seen as totally insane.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35210001)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 3:29 PM
Author: out-of-control galvanic dopamine

:_(

Yeah, but we also have a holiday for MLK. There is a pretty strong progressive tradition in the US over centuries, which any 9th grader that took history would know

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35211179)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 7:21 PM
Author: sickened pisswyrm

MLK fought so that blacks wouldn't be disallowed from attending normal schools, buy/rent housing, buy food at a restaurant and even using normal bathrooms/drinking fountains. The stuff he was fighting for was extremely basic and frankly, entirely reasonable. This isn't "well yeah, they're here illegally but they're ENTITLED to stay" sort of stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35212982)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 12:54 PM
Author: sickened pisswyrm

Tcr.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35209935)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 1:06 PM
Author: Jet-lagged Sandwich

They didn't win anything but they didn't lose either. Polling showed that most still blamed the GOP for the shutdown, though I'm sure it would have changed had they continued. It was a pointless endeavor. DACA doesn't expire until March and with the injunction in place it might take until the end of the year before the gov't can get their win at the Supreme Court and start deportations of recipients (which they won't do anyway). So it's not pressing enough to get anybody to move on it anytime soon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35210045)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 1:29 PM
Author: seedy fantasy-prone hissy fit den

so why force a shutdown last friday shithead?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35210215)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 1:34 PM
Author: sickened pisswyrm

Because they expected the media to push the narrative that it was the GOP's fault and they figured they would come out ahead.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35210248)



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Date: January 22nd, 2018 7:34 PM
Author: Talking keepsake machete market

Reminder: Trump "leaked" the infrastructure bill right after the Shutdown ended as yet another item tacked onto a DACA deal. Trump's right. He does love the DACA "kids". He's gonna make them carry everything he wants on their backs in exchange for allowing them to stay. They'll be his own personal Atlases, but he's the one who shrugs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3867314&forum_id=2#35213066)



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Date: November 13th, 2020 1:51 PM
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