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America Is Not a Democracy [The Atlantic]
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Date: January 31st, 2018 8:51 AM Author: soul-stirring circlehead theatre The problem goes even deeper than that. In America’s imagined past, members of Congress had a strong sense of place. Democrats might have risen through the ranks of local trade unions or schoolhouses. Republicans might have been local business or community leaders. Members of both parties lived lives intertwined with those of their constituents. But spend some time reading the biographies of your representatives in Congress, and you’ll notice, as I did, that by the time they reach office, many politicians have already been socialized into a cultural, educational, and financial elite that sets them apart from average Americans. While some representatives do have strong roots in their district, for many others the connection is tenuous at best. Even for those members who were born and raised in the part of the country they represent, that place is for many of them not their true home. Educated at expensive colleges, likely on the coasts, they spend their 20s and 30s in the nation’s great metropolitan centers. After stints in law, business, or finance, or on Capitol Hill, they move to the hinterlands out of political ambition. Once they retire from Congress, even if they retain some kind of home in their district, few make it the center of their lives: They seem much more likely than their predecessors to pursue lucrative opportunities in cities such as New York, San Francisco, and, of course, Washington. By just about every metric—from life experience to education to net worth—these politicians are thoroughly disconnected from the rest of the population. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/03/america-is-not-a-democracy/550931/ I didn't think the Atlantic could actually write something good. |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 8:57 AM Author: razzmatazz tanning salon hunting ground it surprises me too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35286423) |
Date: January 31st, 2018 8:51 AM Author: angry forum I wish it were not a democracy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35286409) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:22 AM Author: Rambunctious Carmine Fortuitous Meteor the only reason trump is president right now is because its not a democracy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35286517) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:24 AM Author: insane doobsian box office pisswyrm were the rules not made clear beforehand? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35286527) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:36 AM Author: Rambunctious Carmine Fortuitous Meteor nonresponsive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35286589) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:30 AM Author: Heady hideous trust fund Thank god. Direct democracy is suicide.. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287273) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 12:03 PM Author: laughsome gas station This statement is shamefully fecal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287508) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:51 AM Author: Hairraiser fat ankles (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287432) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:19 AM Author: Multi-colored french pistol "With liberalism now under concerted attack from the Trump administration, which has declared war on independent institutions such as the FBI and has used the president’s pulpit to bully ethnic and religious minorities, it’s perhaps understandable that many thinkers are willing to give up a modicum of democracy to protect the rule of law and the country’s most vulnerable groups."
lol, the FBI is "independent" now? what happened to the old lib "line" that the FBI was run by a cabal of right-wingers to infiltrate and wreck leftist groups? |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:23 AM Author: razzmatazz tanning salon hunting ground they believe that bureaucrats aren't part of the EB but rather are a fourth, independent branch of government. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35286523) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:27 AM Author: Glittery coral theater stage Cr. A 4th branch completely unaccountable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35286542) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:32 AM Author: Shimmering partner it's technocracy, these guys are the "experts" and you need to get out of their way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35286566) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:33 AM Author: Glittery coral theater stage The essence of shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35286575) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:11 AM Author: transparent bat shit crazy macaca pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287149) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:14 AM Author: vigorous bright milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287166) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:18 AM Author: cerise double fault windowlicker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287191) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:34 AM Author: Chestnut confused bbw liquid oxygen It was an independent cabal of right-wingers to infiltrate and wreck leftist groups headed by a cross-dressing closet case. Only blackmail kept it going. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35286581) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:39 AM Author: appetizing cuckold a lecturer at Harvard said this. in the government department.
you people saving money for your kids on some "HYP or bust" shit really need to read the signs of decline. |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:50 PM Author: titillating navy orchestra pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35292169) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 1:08 PM Author: charismatic cordovan set azn "what happened to the old lib "line" that the FBI was run by a cabal of right-wingers to infiltrate and wreck leftist groups?"
There's a difference between independent from political beliefs and independent from the presidency
edit: fuck my ass i just realized i said i was retiring last night and here i am |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:21 AM Author: Rambunctious Carmine Fortuitous Meteor cop. if it was then Trump would not be president since he got 3 million fewer votes than the other candidate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35286515) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:24 AM Author: Multi-colored french pistol direct democracy =/= all democracies
indirect democracy is still a form of democracy. like how the US is a democratic republic instead of just a council of rulers appointed by some agency or something. which would still be a republic, but not a democratic one. |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:26 AM Author: thriller copper principal's office old irish cottage he knows that he's just drunk and angry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35286534) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:08 AM Author: cerise double fault windowlicker This is an incredibly stupid poast. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287132) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:21 AM Author: Shimmering partner author is CHAD https://scholar.harvard.edu/mounk/home |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:22 AM Author: insane doobsian box office pisswyrm jfc. if he didn't have so many HBS bros to compete with he'd probably be killing it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35286518) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:31 AM Author: Shimmering partner oh just ur average swarthy European Harvard prof with a 5 o clock shadow & moldering bedroom eyes, I'm sure these Wellesly girls don't give him a second thought. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35286561) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 12:23 PM Author: Bespoke beady-eyed bawdyhouse LJL at falling for his most flattering pic. Yep, this is a CHAD alright
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nZyqw2dvd7o/maxresdefault.jpg |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 1:41 PM Author: Shimmering partner no wedding ring- have at it ladies! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35288380) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 2:11 PM Author: scarlet laser beams kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35288617) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:26 AM Author: thriller copper principal's office old irish cottage "While some representatives do have strong roots in their district, for many others the connection is tenuous at best. Even for those members who were born and raised in the part of the country they represent, that place is for many of them not their true home. Educated at expensive colleges, likely on the coasts, they spend their 20s and 30s in the nation’s great metropolitan centers."
Hm I think that's probably just libs |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:28 AM Author: Glittery coral theater stage Rootless Cosmopolitan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35286546) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:39 AM Author: Pale Keepsake Machete Jewess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35286603) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:36 AM Author: Chestnut confused bbw liquid oxygen (JD Vance) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35286587) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:43 AM Author: soul-stirring circlehead theatre Wasn't McConnell's preferred Alabama Senate candidate a K street lobbyist? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35286626) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:30 AM Author: Motley office It's 95% of libs but let's be real, it's well over 50% of GOP also (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287270) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 1:10 PM Author: charismatic cordovan set azn um, Ted Cruz: -> Princeton -> HLS -> DC for job -> Austin for job -> DC for job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35288102) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:50 AM Author: vivacious point sound barrier Hillary Clinton strolling through the Great New York State Fair in Syracuse. "hello, my people" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35286678) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:50 AM Author: Aphrodisiac greedy base (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35286681) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 10:23 AM Author: mahogany vibrant national security agency indian lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35286877) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:04 AM Author: startled balding chad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287100) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:33 AM Author: Irate Dog Poop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287295) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:50 AM Author: vigorous bright milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287422) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 12:24 PM Author: Bespoke beady-eyed bawdyhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287677) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 3:31 PM Author: swashbuckling hyperactive hospital (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35289250) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 10:34 AM Author: Passionate hateful turdskin the USA actually is a democracy, though
our citizens democratically elected trump despite basically every single institution and prominent public figure being vehemently against him
if that's not a democracy, i don't know what is. clearly WE THE PEOPLE do in fact wield the agency to select our own leaders |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 10:40 AM Author: bateful private investor cr on trump but the point is that if you look at the congress of ARE republic its very aristocratic even if we do technically get to for/against these people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35286952) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:05 AM Author: startled balding chad trump is one of the elite, though. joe the plumber would never be president, and all the joe the plumbers of america will never have more than 0 influence on the running of america. (and i guess thats a good thing) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287110) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:08 AM Author: Shimmering partner cr the fact that DONALD TRUMP is seen as the champion of the forgotten American worker shows just how far gone we really are (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287135) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:46 AM Author: Heady hideous trust fund Not really. Trump has always been beloved by proles and hated by most elites. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287403) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:11 AM Author: cerise double fault windowlicker Tbf, whatever you think of Obama he came from nothing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287148) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:20 AM Author: angry forum *kenya (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287195) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:22 AM Author: startled balding chad private school in indondesia or wherever hes from, private school in hawaii, ivy league in new york, harvard law...
law professor at uchicago.
thats not joe the plumber. |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 12:08 PM Author: cerise double fault windowlicker I don't know how the guy got from one to the other but he had a single mom with, at best, middle class income and no political or other useful family connections. If you're point is that we aren't going to elect a literal plumber, ok. I thought it was more about the beginning class of people we elect. I'm not gonna spend all day defending Obama but I think he's an effective rebuttal to the argument that we only elect people from elite backgrounds. He was the first elite dood in his family, that's impressive to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287539) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 12:14 PM Author: laughsome gas station The point of the article isn't that none of our politicians came from shitty/normal/difficult backgrounds or aren't self made people--it's that once they're in office they enter this elite bubble and never leave it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287588) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 12:15 PM Author: cerise double fault windowlicker That's not the point of the subthread, friend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287595) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 12:24 PM Author: laughsome gas station I know im just saying (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287674) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 1:45 PM Author: Glittery coral theater stage Obamas white side were extremely wealthy land owners from the south. Fun fact: they actually owned Al Sharptons family at one point!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/mar/04/uselections2008.barackobama |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:32 AM Author: sapphire school cafeteria cr. it is very impressive that managed to convince ppl that he came from south side chicago (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287288) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:51 AM Author: Irate Dog Poop but he had "privileges" the white plumber, or the white plumbers son dont have. Affirmitive action opens doors for blacks that are locked shut for whites. That, coupled with the soft bigotry of low expectations, allowed him to seduce the white democrate electorate.
Also, ljl at growing up in Hawaii being hard. Brother, let me show you a hollowed out rustbelt town. |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 12:04 PM Author: laughsome gas station This is absolutely retarded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287511) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 12:20 PM Author: Irate Dog Poop cogent analysis. This guys got a lot of potential. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287644) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 12:21 PM Author: laughsome gas station was your dad a plumber or something (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287655) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 12:28 PM Author: Irate Dog Poop explain to me how growing up poor, white, prole in some are country shit town in meth infected kentucky, is some how preferable to growing up in private schools in hawaii and then getting AA'd in columbia, then harvard, all while having a supportive white mother. Riddle me that... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287723) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 12:29 PM Author: laughsome gas station first one is white and has white privilege in a white country--the other is black (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287742) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 12:33 PM Author: Irate Dog Poop fuck, your trolling me. okay you got me brother. thought you were shitlibbing me. well played. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287774) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 12:34 PM Author: laughsome gas station im not trolling you dude im being 100% serious
a white boozebag can drunk drive for years and be fine--a law abiding educated black person is going to get pulled over for no reason |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 12:37 PM Author: Irate Dog Poop holy shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287804) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 12:44 PM Author: Irate Dog Poop alright I'm not going to get into some subthread wasteland with you. Blacks are not capable of living in an advanced society - do you dispute that? Do you find it just a little odd that whites have invented the modern world at a time when blacks still ran around with spears. Why do you think they were made slaves in the first place? the only thing blacks ever invented was aids. Now, "white privilege" is actually majority privilege. Does an asian guy have "asian privilege" in tokyo? Now, to the extent that blacks are here we attempt to give them programs and aid, like AA, congressional black caucus, diversity initiatives, etc.. to help them out. But, their failures are not a result of white privilege, they are a result of their low iq, poor discipline, and lack of evolutionary pressure - this brings us back to my point about blacks running around with spears at a time when whites invented the fucking submarine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287863) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 2:51 PM Author: topaz church (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35288883) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 3:33 PM Author: laughsome gas station This is a lot of insane nonsense dude. Pick one point that you give a shit about and I'll engage it but I'm not going to try and argue this wall of retardation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35289261) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:45 PM Author: startled balding chad top 10 response of all time, imo.
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Date: January 31st, 2018 12:47 PM Author: costumed ratface He and earl went to the same private high school. Ask earl if going there for high school automatically makes you global elite. My sense is that it does not. |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 12:55 PM Author: Irate Dog Poop "automatically makes you global elite" are you implying that I said that? because thats not the lane you want to be in friend. now, my turn, do you think going to a private school in Hawaii is superior to are country high in rural kentucky? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287977) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 12:04 PM Author: Passionate hateful turdskin lol is this shtick? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287516) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 12:10 PM Author: cerise double fault windowlicker Have you been to Hawaii? I don't know how Obama's family lived there but many of the locals are poor as fuck and live as rough as anywhere in are country. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287563) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 12:21 PM Author: Irate Dog Poop "live as rough as anywhere in are country." this is a good one.
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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:28 AM Author: Passionate hateful turdskin democracy isn't defined by *who* is elected, it's defined by *how* the leaders are selected
the leaders of a country will always be the elite, no matter what the structure of government is, for obvious reasons
the USA is a democracy because we democratically elect our leaders, and our elections are actually quite by-the-book with very little fraud |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:07 AM Author: Shimmering partner dude's twitter is unhinged. Firing federal employees is "undemocratic." Clapping for the SOTU is "undemocratic." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287123) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 2:42 PM Author: Chrome Rigpig Therapy But at least he is consistent and had these same objections when Obama was POTUS, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35288817) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:17 AM Author: Gay chest-beating station voyeur there's tons of reps who went to shitkicker college in bumfuck flyover town and made "big" money in dad's aluminum siding business before outspending their opponent $750,000 to $90,000 to win the primary in an uncontested seat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287189) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 11:22 AM Author: Shimmering partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35287211) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 12:57 PM Author: Stimulating police squad shrine reminds me of this https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/britain-london-problem-brexit-vote-aftermath except in britain, EVERYONE lives in London/southeast, they're not split between coasts or even major cities |
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Date: February 6th, 2018 2:18 PM Author: Razzle Institution Preventive Strike (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35339195) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 1:05 PM Author: Slate territorial mad cow disease lodge The author is wrong. Politicians (at the federal level) in the past exhibited a more elitist, aristocratic, above-it-all tone. They cut deals in smoke-filled rooms and regarded activists and their respective party bases as annoyances. The crafting of legislation and budgets was done largely out of sight. The advent of the 24-hour news cycle and politicized news outlets has increased political activism and party base participation in primaries. Most members of Congress are now activists for their respective tribe, and more moderate members are slowly being culled from the ranks. The Supreme Court reflects this shift. To be approved you need to show that you were loyal to your respective side going as far back as your college days. That wasn't necessarily the case 40+ years ago.
That politicians are more likely to have attended an elite school and live in a major city is indicative of the declining prospects of rural and ex-urban areas. I don't see it necessarily as a decline in "democracy." At the federal level, politicians are actually too responsive to their constituents. Very few are willing to cross their constituents (either out of ideology or fear of a primary) to work on legislation and each continually appears in public to show loyalty to their respective tribe. |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:48 PM Author: vigorous bright milk "At the federal level, politicians are actually too responsive to their constituents."
Um, what? |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:50 PM Author: Spectacular plaza The plebs will never participate meaningfully in government. They don't have the ability to master the details, although I believe they have a lot of common sense.
The best they can hope for is healthy competition between elite factions. |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:50 PM Author: Crawly electric house depressive we need to bring back earmarks, that was the oil that let government run (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35292174) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:52 PM Author: Spectacular plaza As an ideologue, I unfortunately agree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35292188) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:52 PM Author: Contagious buff electric furnace Americans are more adrift than ever? No joke, Sherlock (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35292187) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 9:54 PM Author: Razzle Institution Preventive Strike we never had democracy. founding fathers knew better to avoid that catastrophe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGfFXc0TwhU&t=290s
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Date: January 31st, 2018 10:27 PM Author: Razzle Institution Preventive Strike (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3877434&forum_id=2#35292521) |