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Collingsworth still being a catty fag about the TD calls jfc
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:26 PM Author: Stirring mahogany personal credit line kitty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35324977) |
Date: February 4th, 2018 10:27 PM Author: cerebral market Those weren’t even close calls he’s such a bitch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35324987) |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:28 PM Author: mentally impaired autistic filthpig set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35325004) |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:28 PM Author: Puce zippy whorehouse 1st one was close. Second one wasn't (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35325010) |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:30 PM Author: Stirring mahogany personal credit line kitty cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35325030) |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:31 PM Author: Topaz Wagecucks Theater cr but call on the field (for both, but especially the 1st) was a TD, so would've been really gay to overturn it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35325037) |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:42 PM Author: Multi-colored apoplectic plaza fat ankles They’ve been overturning on the field calls all year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35325215) |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:43 PM Author: Lime Location Cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35325228) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 9:29 AM Author: Comical turquoise stead weird how commentators either forcememe the fuck or completely ignore the "indisputable evidence" rule when pulling these replay analyses out of their assholes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35327861) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 9:47 AM Author: elite rehab Tbf the indisputable evidence rule sucks since the refs tend to just make the easy call on the field since they know it will be reviewed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35327962) |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:33 PM Author: rusted party of the first part If it was the regular season neither would have stood, NFL lost their nerve to stand up for their dumb rules with everyone watching (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35325055) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:44 AM Author: Vibrant pervert Wrong. You don't understand the rule on the Ertz call. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328388) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:21 AM Author: rusted party of the first part nobody understands the rule unless it goes for the team they want to win, then they're all experts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328673) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:25 AM Author: rusted party of the first part not the TV guys never get stuff wrong, but its laughable that everyone here is an expert, and Collinsworth, who basically researches this stuff full time (and isn't a dumb guy in general), had no idea on either of those calls live
if you've been watching these calls all year, both of those rulings went against the established precedent set all year, NFL is just making up the rules as it goes along based on what it caught flack on last week |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:25 AM Author: sinister office shitlib National Fraud League (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328708) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:30 AM Author: Vibrant pervert Compare the Ertz catch with the Jesse James catch. It isn't close. Ertz takes three steps and dives for the end zone. He is a runner there. Look, I get it, it is obviously NOT clear cut if Collinsworth sees it differently -- he watches more football than I do. But being as objective as I can be, this is not a call similar to the James one or the Dez Bryant one. People keep saying they "called it the opposite way all year" and I just want to see some proof of that because I don't think it is true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328739) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:33 AM Author: sinister office shitlib I am an unbiased observer since I'm a non-NFL guy. I can't believe anyone would think the Ertz play was not a catch. If that's not a catch, idk what a catch is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328759) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:34 AM Author: Copper odious gaming laptop roommate Well yea, the catch rule is idiotic, but it's still a rule. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328766) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:35 AM Author: Vibrant pervert And it was applied correctly to the Ertz touchdown (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328781) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:36 AM Author: sinister office shitlib *catches it*
*runs 3 steps*
*dives*
*breaks plane*
and this is somehow supposed to NOT be a catch? you could show this to literally 100 people off the street outside the US, ask them whether the athlete caught the ball, and every single person would say yes. |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:36 AM Author: Comical turquoise stead weird how it was called correctly on the field and upheld upon review. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328794) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:37 AM Author: sinister office shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328798) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:41 AM Author: Comical turquoise stead *shits on the nfl anyways* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328827) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:42 AM Author: Copper odious gaming laptop roommate https://youtu.be/1khK6is-Bfs?t=96 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328831) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:44 AM Author: Comical turquoise stead yea that obv isn't a catch. also dex bryant is a little bitch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328841) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:44 AM Author: sinister office shitlib I'm not shitting on the NFL for the Ertz play. I can't believe anyone would think that wasn't a catch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328842) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:45 AM Author: Comical turquoise stead http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35327960 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328857) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:46 AM Author: sinister office shitlib yes, the NFL is fucked because fans can't even determine what a catch is.
the fact that people are arguing over that play is a bad sign, at least imo. |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:47 AM Author: Comical turquoise stead yep, ppl caring enough about the outcome to argue over catches is indeed a bad sign for the nfl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328872) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:40 AM Author: Copper odious gaming laptop roommate https://youtu.be/1khK6is-Bfs?t=96 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328823) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:43 AM Author: sinister office shitlib I think both are catches, but the Dez catch could be argued that was just falling down.
The Ertz catch was 10000% a catch. Like, it's not close. |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:47 AM Author: elite rehab thats a lot different from the ertz catch. he's falling down as soon as he hits the ground (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328868) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:54 AM Author: rusted party of the first part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328923) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:00 PM Author: rusted party of the first part I'll admit that there is grey area around when you've become a runner and when you're completing the process of the catch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328961) |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:41 PM Author: Lime Location Cumskin Both probably not touchdowns under the rules (first definitely not).
Twist: the rules are kind of stupid in this case, so they decided to ignore them today.
Eh. Same thing judges do. TEH MAJESTY OF THE LAW, ruling on FAIRNESS. |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:41 PM Author: Cheese-eating Headpube Garrison (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35325195) |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:44 PM Author: Multi-colored apoplectic plaza fat ankles I don’t get how the second was not a touchdown. He had control already, took two steps and tried to jump into the end zone. He had full control until he hit the ground, at which point it was already a touch down.
First one was a lot harder, and is a perfect example of why the rule sucks. |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:45 PM Author: fighting business firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35325270) |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:46 PM Author: Doobsian Lavender Hairy Legs also the ground never dislodged the ball from Ertz, by the time it came loose he had already turned over and he caught it again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35325282) |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:48 PM Author: Multi-colored apoplectic plaza fat ankles It looked like the ball hit the ground and popped up
I don’t get why that matters
All the “no catch” calls I’ve seen involve the TE not having control and he ball “moving” while he was still coming down
Ertz could have caught the ball and kneeled it (which tbh might have made more sense given the situation) but instead he jumped for the end zone
You don’t lose a catch by doing that... |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:52 PM Author: Lime Location Cumskin Well, you *shouldn’t* lose a catch for doing that, but... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35325371) |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 11:02 PM Author: Copper odious gaming laptop roommate They literally overturned a Jessie James TD against the pats that was almost the exact same play and the same exact situation in the game a couple months ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35325486) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:43 AM Author: Multi-colored apoplectic plaza fat ankles JJ td “catch” was all in one move. Ertz caught the ball and took at least two steps before diving. Completely different to me, even under the current rule. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35327231) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:53 AM Author: rusted party of the first part No it wasn't, James had complete control, turned and extended the ball
Ertz had contol, but was going to the ground during all his steps and didn't survive the ground, NFL just decided they didn't want the to enforce their rule that situation,
Hawaii judge decided its a TD afterall |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 9:51 AM Author: Multi-colored apoplectic plaza fat ankles You have to be a MAF steelers fan to think that was the same play
James took no steps and just twisted
Ertz caught the ball and ran a few steps before diving
Perhaps they were both catches, but they were completely different |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 9:52 AM Author: elite rehab Cr, ertz td was much more convincing, he took like three steps before diving (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35327985) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:29 AM Author: rusted party of the first part he was going to the ground the entire time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328306) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:07 PM Author: razzmatazz indian lodge lol Ertz was NOT going to the ground the entire time. What are you smoking dude (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35329007) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:15 PM Author: rusted party of the first part you have terrible spatial intelligence if you think he had his balance on any of those steps (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35329086) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:25 PM Author: razzmatazz indian lodge LMAO. Everyone ITT except you thinks he had control of his body on those steps. Dude, go watch the video. I just did again and he was fully in control and had balance when he caught in and took those steps. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35329173) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:31 PM Author: rusted party of the first part I've seen it several times
we're allowed to disagree
I'm right though, because if you think he has his balance, your spatial intelligence isn't as good as if you realize he doesn't |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:34 PM Author: razzmatazz indian lodge No offense, but I think you should have yours checked. And lack of balance, even if true, doesn't mean he didn't make a football move or that he didn't have control. You can be in control of the football and not have complete 100% straight up and down balance. He is slanting when he catches it because he is on a route and trying to avoid the defender. His upper body is pretty upright when he catches it.
I guess the refs and the reviewers and everyone ITT except you is wrong though. |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 1:03 PM Author: rusted party of the first part the precedent is that football move isn't relevant
its all good |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:46 AM Author: Vibrant pervert No. He takes a couple of steps and then dives (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328404) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:41 AM Author: Vibrant pervert I watched the James play again last night to respond to this retarded argument and you are all fucking wrong! The James play is clearly different. He took no steps. He caught the ball and fell across the goal line. Ertz play he takes three steps. He caught the ball. Jesus Christ with you Pats fans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328369) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:42 AM Author: elite rehab tbf i dont think war machine is a pats fan. only pats fans i recognize here are pederastrian and myself, and we both agree ertz was a td. the other one, on the other hand, super suspect (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328377) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:54 PM Author: Multi-colored apoplectic plaza fat ankles the only people making this argument appear to be MAF steelers fans (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35329389) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:08 PM Author: razzmatazz indian lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35329019) |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 11:00 PM Author: elite rehab First one was 100% not a completion.
Second one looked like a TD to me |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 9:42 AM Author: Spruce cruel-hearted station CR
but oh well. defense sucked huge hairy donkey cock today and we didn’t deserve to win |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 9:45 AM Author: elite rehab Yeah. Could have used butler. Fuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35327952) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:43 AM Author: Vibrant pervert This is a little more defensible but on the first one it is too close to overturn. What they were calling a bobble could have been a shift-- what the fuck is the difference? On slow motion the ball moves -- I mean it would be dumb to overturn that because of a small movement. But then again, the NFL... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328385) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:44 AM Author: elite rehab it comes down to control, he never had control until after the bobble in my view (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328394) |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:29 PM Author: fighting business firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35325026) |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:46 PM Author: Stimulating Ebony Home *repeatedly watches dude take three strides with perfect control of ball* "did he have it?!? idk it's really really close" what a fucking retard |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:58 PM Author: Internet-worthy Jade Pocket Flask Both were clean touchdowns (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35325456) |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 11:01 PM Author: elite rehab lol at your fraud opinion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35325477) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:42 AM Author: crusty sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35326420) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:46 AM Author: Stimulating Ebony Home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35326448) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 9:43 AM Author: Spruce cruel-hearted station stfu you bald fraud (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35327941) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 9:44 AM Author: cowardly arrogant new version (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35327945) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:12 PM Author: curious field coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35332329) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:54 AM Author: rusted party of the first part He was going to the ground during all those steps, he didn't survive the ground (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35327242) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:26 AM Author: Stubborn Frisky Corn Cake Sandwich cr. guy catches the ball and takes multiple steps. on what planet is that not a "catch"? Because in super slow motion you can see the ball move slightly? jfc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328717) |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 11:38 PM Author: Mauve 180 Gay Wizard To some degree this is on the producer. They should be in his ear telling him to STFU and let it go (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35325834) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 9:45 AM Author: rusted party of the first part lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35327953) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:07 PM Author: buff flickering ticket booth quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35332287) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 9:47 AM Author: sinister office shitlib so the NFL had an exciting championship game, and people are STILL autistically crowing about what should be a "catch", even though that should be an intuitive standard for most people?
lol the National Fraud League is fucked |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 9:49 AM Author: Comical turquoise stead stfu you weird faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35327972) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:06 AM Author: sinister office shitlib it's fucking retarded. there shouldn't be nearly this much bickering about what is and isn't a "catch", especially for something most people feel should be an intuitive standard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328103) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:09 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Adulterous Trailer Park Scourge Upon The Earth If you have an "intuitive standard" you're going to have similar problems. You need an objective rule. They should just drop the maintain control through the ground rule. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328131) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:10 AM Author: sinister office shitlib no, you're missing my point. i'm saying this gets tiring for fans.
people think a "catch" should be intuitive. it becomes a real drag on entertainment value when there is constant arguing about what is and isn't a catch, particularly during crucial moments. |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:12 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Adulterous Trailer Park Scourge Upon The Earth Right but aren't you going to have that issue regardless of what the rule is? There are going to be borderline calls regardless of the standard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328164) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:13 AM Author: sinister office shitlib you might, unless you have a really liberal standard -- or if you get rid of replay.
i can compare this to wrestling. wrestling is very tough for casual and non-fans to appreciate, and one of the reasons is that, what constitutes a takedown or "control" is VERY tough to define in many situations, and i freely admit things like that are a drag on popularity. |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:15 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Adulterous Trailer Park Scourge Upon The Earth Problem with liberal standards is that NFL officiating is hard enough as it is, without letting them think. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328192) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:15 AM Author: Comical turquoise stead there isn't anyone bickering really outside of south boston. refs let them play which is what they should do. everyone bitches about refs in sports, except for the nba which is just a clown show at this point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328202) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:17 AM Author: sinister office shitlib i don't watch the NFL anymore, but this "catch" issue comes up all the time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328219) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:30 AM Author: Comical turquoise stead yea, it's kind of an ongoing issue in the sport of foosball.
i didn't know you didn't watch the nfl anymore though. thank for letting us know that! |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:32 AM Author: sinister office shitlib yw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328321) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:07 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Adulterous Trailer Park Scourge Upon The Earth I think they got both right. Has the NFL ever made a rule on what they consider control? I feel like I've seen other calls where they allow a slight bobble and still consider it control.
The second one I don't think is particularly close. He took three steps and leapt toward the end zone. People try to compare it to the Jesse James play, but I don't think it's similar. |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:13 AM Author: razzmatazz indian lodge Yeah. Seemed to me first guy had control even though he was shifting it in his hands. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328176) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:47 AM Author: Vibrant pervert This Motherfucker THIS!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328418) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:14 AM Author: Useless vigorous candlestick maker place of business second one was very easy, i thought. he was a runner. he can do the flying leap that halfbacks always do.
the first was pretty easy. the ball did a major shift after the first foot touched. no catch. |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:16 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Adulterous Trailer Park Scourge Upon The Earth But it seems as though the NFL hasn't treated a major shift as dispositive of lack of control. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328214) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:47 AM Author: Vibrant pervert (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328421) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:32 AM Author: elite rehab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328320) |
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Date: February 7th, 2018 2:39 PM Author: Useless vigorous candlestick maker place of business mike perreira agrees on Ertz and was a little ambivalent on the first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEbTtoyA4x8 |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:38 AM Author: rusted party of the first part what do you have to do to be established as a runner and for "going to the ground" to no longer be operative?
At one point it was "make a football move", since I haven't heard that phrase used in years, it seems like they took that out around the time they instituted the "survive the ground" standard
As I watched that play, at no point in the catch/run was Ertz's balance not going to the ground, so its not apparent to me why he didn't need to survive the ground all the way through
Both the Calvin Johnson and Dez Bryant play involved taking steps, so that doesn't seem to be what makes you a runner |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:15 AM Author: Lemon Startled Friendly Grandma I'm with some of the people above, I think in the regular season both calls would have been reversed. The league couldn't, however, look like they were making call for the Pats which they did all season. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328198) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:16 AM Author: Comical turquoise stead ertz call wouldn't have. clement probably would have. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328216) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:35 AM Author: Umber diverse brethren Sounds right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328337) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:43 AM Author: rusted party of the first part fwiw, I thought there were a number of plays in the first half where in the regular season they would have thrown a pass interference, and they just let it go
all in all, the game probably flowed better the way they called it
it just seems off to call a game one way in the regular season, then change how you call it for a championship game |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:44 AM Author: Comical turquoise stead both of the failed 2pt conversions would have drawn flags probably (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328389) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:50 AM Author: Umber diverse brethren There were stores last week about how they throw substantially fewer pi flags in the Superbowl. Can't remember the numbers but they definitely call it differently vs. regular season. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328443) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:32 AM Author: Lemon Startled Friendly Grandma Yes, Bill Barnwell pointed this out in his SB preview. Apparently the average NFL game has a little less than one per game. The average post-season game also has a little less than one per game. But in the SB it drops to like half that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328754) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:39 AM Author: mind-boggling keepsake machete Little doubt in my mind that both calls would have been reversed in the regular season.
People saying he "made a football move" or whatever in taking a few steps while lunging toward the ground haven't been watching football the last few seasons. "Surviving the ground" has trumped all up until the Super Bowl. |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:43 AM Author: Comical turquoise stead there is so much questionable "breaking the plane" shit that gets called a TD in the reg season. The Ertz play would have been upheld. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328835) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:43 AM Author: Copper odious gaming laptop roommate https://youtu.be/1khK6is-Bfs?t=96 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328840) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:44 AM Author: Comical turquoise stead stfu dillweed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328847) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:44 AM Author: Indecent floppy site LMAO that's not near the same (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328848) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:45 AM Author: mind-boggling keepsake machete I don't think the fact that this was near the end zone makes any difference in the way the rules have been applied. If he was in the middle of the end zone when he caught it and the same thing happened, it wouldn't have been a catch either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328855) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:46 AM Author: Indecent floppy site If he had been in the middle of the endzone he wouldn't have dove you idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328866) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:50 AM Author: Vibrant pervert (football masterman) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328899) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:55 AM Author: elite rehab this is wrong. see golden tate rule
https://youtu.be/U8vCCsddtvs |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:26 PM Author: mind-boggling keepsake machete he didn't hit the ground. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35329179) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:06 PM Author: Comical turquoise stead (expert of sport) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35329000) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:47 PM Author: crimson offensive forum irl loling at the image of guy catching a ball in the end zone before running around and diving like a spaz (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35329342) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:43 AM Author: razzmatazz indian lodge dood Ertz took a couple steps and THEN dove toward the endzone. It wasn't all in one fluid uncontrolled motion like in other cases (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328838) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:44 AM Author: Indecent floppy site yeah people saying this should have been overturned are just being Patriots fans or being intentionally difficult (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328843) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:50 AM Author: mind-boggling keepsake machete I'm not disagreeing with the concept, I'm just saying any even remotely comprable play that happened in the last few years would have been incomplete. A couple steps wouldn't have changed that. Maybe if he dove like 3 seconds and 5 yards later or something (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328895) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:51 AM Author: Vibrant pervert Name one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328903) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:51 AM Author: Indecent floppy site And what you are "just saying" is wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328905) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:09 PM Author: razzmatazz indian lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35329022) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:43 AM Author: Indecent floppy site Yes, but the surviving the ground thing only applies if he hasn't become a runner. You can't just say he had to survive the ground because he fell to the ground.
Link to a similar play that hasn't been called a td? He ran 5 fucking yards over 3 steps. |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:45 AM Author: sinister office shitlib agreed. can't see how someone would view this any other way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328856) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:48 AM Author: Vibrant pervert the most frustrating thing is that these guys keep saying, "It has been called this way all year." But can't provide an example. This is NOT the James catch. It is NOT the Bryant catch (which was back in 2014). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328881) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:50 AM Author: razzmatazz indian lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328891) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:51 AM Author: Indecent floppy site (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328902) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 1:00 PM Author: Multi-colored apoplectic plaza fat ankles they are steelers fans. they think this IS the james catch, and they are trying to logic there way back into them being the same, even though they clearly are not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35329437) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:45 AM Author: Vibrant pervert Can you provide examples? Dez catch comes closest but it is clear he is on his way to the ground. Not so with Ertz who makes steps towards the end zone and deliberately dives. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328859) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:48 AM Author: Indecent floppy site Difference with Dez catch is he wasn't running with control while he caught the ball like Ertz. Ertz caught it while running and continued running while diving into the endzone. He was in control of his steps the entire time and the dive towards end zone was intentional and controlled.
Dez was way in the air, then landed on his feet while going towards the end zone and never ran with the ball. He didn't have control of his body like Ertz. |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:49 AM Author: Vibrant pervert I agree. But that is the ONLY catch these guys have to hang their hat on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328889) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:57 AM Author: elite rehab calvin johnson rule is probably more egregious but ive never seen a call get overturned after three steps, cant say ertz wasnt a runner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328946) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:04 PM Author: rusted party of the first part was there ever a point in which Ertz wasn't going to the ground?
To me, it looks like he was stumbling to the ground the whole way
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I'll agree that its a grey area
prior to seeing the James catch, it wouldn't have occurred to me that the Ertz play wasn't a catch
after seeing the James catch, I assumed that the same rule was in effect until being told by the ref that it wasn't |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:07 PM Author: Vibrant pervert I am an Eagles fan, so I see it differently. I think he takes a couple steps, gets hit in the legs and simultaneously dives for the end zone. I don't think he was going down as soon as he catches it-- nobody was on him or hit him. https://twitter.com/NFL/status/960347266459537409?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fnfl%2F2018%2F02%2F04%2Fzach-ertz-touchdown-catch-philadelphia-eagles-super-bowl-lead |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:11 PM Author: rusted party of the first part we have a difference of opinion on that then, I think he's going to the ground before he gets hit in the legs,
or at least he hasn't established his balance, if you say "freeze", he's falling over |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:23 PM Author: sinister office shitlib usually we are in agreement, but i think you're wrong here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35329158) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:25 PM Author: rusted party of the first part that's ok, we can respectfully disagree
when Ertz catches the ball and takes his steps, do you think he has his balance, or do you think it doesn't matter? |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:35 PM Author: sinister office shitlib i think he has balance. i don't think he has enough balance to say with 100% certainty that he won't fall down at any point during that run, but that can't possibly be the standard, and it certainly can't be the standard when he's taking steps, making a football move, and then gets hit and dives for the endzone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35329256) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:53 PM Author: rusted party of the first part ok, we can disagree on whether or not he his balance, I don't think he's so far off of balance that its impossible that he might regain his balance (though, considering his size and the body angle he was at, I don't he was, but whatever)
as for what the standard could possible be ...
I agree that that shouldn't be the standard,
but the James play shows that making a football move or diving for the endzone doesn't change the standard, the Bryant play showed getting hit or diving for the endzone didn't change the standard, the Johnson play showed that taking steps didn't change the standard
I guess the concurrency of all three does?
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upon reflection, I can accept that there is a grey area where you become a runner, and they determined he was a runner ...
watching live, I expected that to come back, Collinsworth expected to come back, going on twitter after the game I saw several of the people whose opinions I respect expected to come back
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:42 PM Author: Vibrant pervert I think if the end zone isn't there he gets hit and maybe goes down, maybe not. He dives because the end zone is there. If you are arguing balance when he catches the ball, then you already lost. There is just too much you have to argue to say it wasn't a TD. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35329305) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:46 PM Author: Indecent floppy site And on top of that there's supposed to be "clear and obvious evidence” to overturn the call on the field.
So even if these guys are right that it wasn't a catch (they're not), they'd have to argue that the video was "clear and obvious evidence" to say it was a bad decision.
The video isn't anywhere close to meeting that standard. |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:59 PM Author: rusted party of the first part I think we're close to arguing this to death, (so lets keep going!)
he DOES actually go to the ground though
The Bryant call makes the same argument about balance, (ie he dives, so you have no idea whether he was off balance or not [he obviously was, but following your logic, that's not something you can take into account]) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 1:07 PM Author: Vibrant pervert The Bryant non-catch was a shit call, but it is also different from the Ertz catch. Bryant goes up, is hit immediately and is falling from the get-go. I just don't think the same thing can be said of the Ertz catch. Ertz pushes off and launches into the endzone. Bryant falls to the ground. BRyant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt5d9FoSXIA Ertz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cqhUvawoL0 |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 5:17 PM Author: rusted party of the first part https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=581KtOt-q58
3:07 not a catch |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 5:19 PM Author: sinister office shitlib see, imo it's a literal joke to call that not a catch. like, wtf is the NFL thinking? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35331886) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 5:20 PM Author: Stimulating Ebony Home ertz took took 3 strides and covered six yards with the ball under control. does he need to run 20 yards with it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35331896) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 5:36 PM Author: rusted party of the first part He should have to 'not be going to the ground'
Or they should change the rule to if you 'make a football move' after controlling the ball it's a catch, then both Ertz and the James have plays are catches, which we all intuitively understand them both to be |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 5:39 PM Author: Vibrant pervert We discussed this. He is not going to the ground. He catches and runs and makes a decision to dive into the end zone while being hit. You made the argument that he is off-balance when he catches the ball, which is, just, like your opinion man but it obviously can't form the basis for overturning a called TD on the field. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35332072) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:13 PM Author: razzmatazz indian lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35332349) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 5:40 PM Author: sinister office shitlib I don't think Ertz is going to the ground. At the very least, you can't conclude that with any certainty.
I think part of the issue is that you are viewing it from the non-catch lens, whereas I am viewing it from the catch lens. The Ertz play skews even more towards catch, regardless of whether you think any of them are catches or not.
So to me, I see the Ertz catch as -- how could anyone think that's not a catch, and then I see the other examples you poasted and want someone to explain to me why those aren't catches, not the other way around. |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 5:41 PM Author: Stimulating Ebony Home ljl at your obsessive "going to the ground" shtick. got any links of a guy running six yds, taking at least three steps, making a controlled dive for the goal line, with ball under control at all times, and not be considered an established runner? you're wrong here. get over it faggot |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 5:33 PM Author: Vibrant pervert You are a persistent motherfucker. That is the same play as the Jesse James play-- it is not the Ertz catch. Ertz catches and runs with the ball. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35332012) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 5:41 PM Author: rusted party of the first part Lol, your guy is at a 45 degree angle his entire run, let's just change the rule and call it a day (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35332083) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 5:49 PM Author: Vibrant pervert Freeze frame at :29 secs. He is upright and no defender near him. He is not "going to the ground" https://youtu.be/6cqhUvawoL0?t=29 |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:08 PM Author: rusted party of the first part Lol :34 is the relevant angle, and he's at 45 degree (alright fine, maybe he's at 50 degree, either way a tiny fraction of human can be at that angle and not wind up on the ground, 6'5 250 lb TEs make up roughly 0 percent of those humans) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35332295) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:09 PM Author: sinister office shitlib *xo producer in B. Carcetti tp's earpiece: "LET IT GO BREH, LET IT GO!"* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35332310) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:11 PM Author: Vibrant pervert WHY? I just showed you he was not falling down when he caught the ball. That is the issue. You keep changing the goalpost. The issue is-- did he turn into a runner. He caught the ball and at :29 you can clearly see he is upright and running with the ball. Even at :34 he still doesn't look like he is falling down, but it doesn't matter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35332323) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:14 PM Author: razzmatazz indian lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35332358) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 9:28 PM Author: Comical turquoise stead Keep talking shit about John riggins (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35333819) |
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Date: February 6th, 2018 3:13 AM Author: rusted party of the first part https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nfl/2015/9/28/9409757/nfl-calvin-johnson-rule-tyler-eifert-bengals-touchdown-overturned
3 feet on the ground, turned put a 4th foot on the ground, reached it over the end zone, not a catch
I'm really done in this thread now, sick of arguing this,
Enjoy your Super Bowl win |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 3:30 PM Author: onyx supple degenerate Obviously I'm biased, but I didn't think these were that hard to call as TDs.
On the Clement one, he 1) caught the ball in the end zone and 2) took two steps with control of the ball BEFORE 3) he readjusted the ball and never lost "control" of it as the NFL defines control. Even if he had lost control I think it was a TD after 1 and 2 happened and it didn't matter what he did after that. Could have spiked it and it'd still be a TD.
On the Ertz one, it was much more clear I thought. He caught it at the 6, took 2-3 steps and then lunged forward with the ball. He became a runner before he reached the end zone so the ball only had to cross the plane for it to be a TD by rule. |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 5:50 PM Author: House-broken Dashing Puppy Brunch the ertz play, after multiple replays, i thought was properly ruled a td. it would make no sense to give a rb or qb a td just for breaking the plane on a dive or sneak and not rule the ertz play a touchdown.
the clement catch -- the way the league has been calling things this season, i'm with collingsworth. every other game this season the NFL has been ruling that incomplete because of the movement of the football. and i think all collingsworth was pointing out was the inconsistency. he's a logical guy and a tremendously quick analyst (i never understood all the hate he gets, other than he doesn't sugarcoat his opinions).
i'm glad they ruled it a catch, but collingsworth's point was completely valid. |