Collingsworth still being a catty fag about the TD calls jfc
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Date: February 5th, 2018 11:36 AM Author: odious silver address elastic band
*catches it*
*runs 3 steps*
*dives*
*breaks plane*
and this is somehow supposed to NOT be a catch? you could show this to literally 100 people off the street outside the US, ask them whether the athlete caught the ball, and every single person would say yes.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328786) |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:41 PM Author: rambunctious digit ratio
Both probably not touchdowns under the rules (first definitely not).
Twist: the rules are kind of stupid in this case, so they decided to ignore them today.
Eh. Same thing judges do. TEH MAJESTY OF THE LAW, ruling on FAIRNESS.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35325189) |
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Date: February 4th, 2018 10:48 PM Author: Insanely Creepy Ivory Haunted Graveyard
It looked like the ball hit the ground and popped up
I don’t get why that matters
All the “no catch” calls I’ve seen involve the TE not having control and he ball “moving” while he was still coming down
Ertz could have caught the ball and kneeled it (which tbh might have made more sense given the situation) but instead he jumped for the end zone
You don’t lose a catch by doing that...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35325319) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 6:53 AM Author: curious bawdyhouse codepig
No it wasn't, James had complete control, turned and extended the ball
Ertz had contol, but was going to the ground during all his steps and didn't survive the ground, NFL just decided they didn't want the to enforce their rule that situation,
Hawaii judge decided its a TD afterall
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35327240) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 9:51 AM Author: Insanely Creepy Ivory Haunted Graveyard
You have to be a MAF steelers fan to think that was the same play
James took no steps and just twisted
Ertz caught the ball and ran a few steps before diving
Perhaps they were both catches, but they were completely different
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35327980) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:31 PM Author: curious bawdyhouse codepig
I've seen it several times
we're allowed to disagree
I'm right though, because if you think he has his balance, your spatial intelligence isn't as good as if you realize he doesn't
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35329224) |
Date: February 4th, 2018 10:46 PM Author: deranged base
*repeatedly watches dude take three strides with perfect control of ball*
"did he have it?!? idk it's really really close"
what a fucking retard
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35325285) |
Date: February 5th, 2018 9:47 AM Author: odious silver address elastic band
so the NFL had an exciting championship game, and people are STILL autistically crowing about what should be a "catch", even though that should be an intuitive standard for most people?
lol the National Fraud League is fucked
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35327960) |
Date: February 5th, 2018 10:07 AM Author: green drunken boistinker hairy legs
I think they got both right. Has the NFL ever made a rule on what they consider control? I feel like I've seen other calls where they allow a slight bobble and still consider it control.
The second one I don't think is particularly close. He took three steps and leapt toward the end zone. People try to compare it to the Jesse James play, but I don't think it's similar.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328115) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:38 AM Author: curious bawdyhouse codepig
what do you have to do to be established as a runner and for "going to the ground" to no longer be operative?
At one point it was "make a football move", since I haven't heard that phrase used in years, it seems like they took that out around the time they instituted the "survive the ground" standard
As I watched that play, at no point in the catch/run was Ertz's balance not going to the ground, so its not apparent to me why he didn't need to survive the ground all the way through
Both the Calvin Johnson and Dez Bryant play involved taking steps, so that doesn't seem to be what makes you a runner
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Date: February 5th, 2018 10:43 AM Author: curious bawdyhouse codepig
fwiw, I thought there were a number of plays in the first half where in the regular season they would have thrown a pass interference, and they just let it go
all in all, the game probably flowed better the way they called it
it just seems off to call a game one way in the regular season, then change how you call it for a championship game
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328379) |
Date: February 5th, 2018 11:39 AM Author: milky comical striped hyena market
Little doubt in my mind that both calls would have been reversed in the regular season.
People saying he "made a football move" or whatever in taking a few steps while lunging toward the ground haven't been watching football the last few seasons. "Surviving the ground" has trumped all up until the Super Bowl.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35328817) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:04 PM Author: curious bawdyhouse codepig
was there ever a point in which Ertz wasn't going to the ground?
To me, it looks like he was stumbling to the ground the whole way
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I'll agree that its a grey area
prior to seeing the James catch, it wouldn't have occurred to me that the Ertz play wasn't a catch
after seeing the James catch, I assumed that the same rule was in effect until being told by the ref that it wasn't
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:53 PM Author: curious bawdyhouse codepig
ok, we can disagree on whether or not he his balance, I don't think he's so far off of balance that its impossible that he might regain his balance (though, considering his size and the body angle he was at, I don't he was, but whatever)
as for what the standard could possible be ...
I agree that that shouldn't be the standard,
but the James play shows that making a football move or diving for the endzone doesn't change the standard, the Bryant play showed getting hit or diving for the endzone didn't change the standard, the Johnson play showed that taking steps didn't change the standard
I guess the concurrency of all three does?
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upon reflection, I can accept that there is a grey area where you become a runner, and they determined he was a runner ...
watching live, I expected that to come back, Collinsworth expected to come back, going on twitter after the game I saw several of the people whose opinions I respect expected to come back
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35329375)
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:46 PM Author: vermilion rebellious toilet seat ceo
And on top of that there's supposed to be "clear and obvious evidence” to overturn the call on the field.
So even if these guys are right that it wasn't a catch (they're not), they'd have to argue that the video was "clear and obvious evidence" to say it was a bad decision.
The video isn't anywhere close to meeting that standard.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35329331) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 12:59 PM Author: curious bawdyhouse codepig
I think we're close to arguing this to death, (so lets keep going!)
he DOES actually go to the ground though
The Bryant call makes the same argument about balance, (ie he dives, so you have no idea whether he was off balance or not [he obviously was, but following your logic, that's not something you can take into account])
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35329421) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 1:07 PM Author: Stimulating area pistol
The Bryant non-catch was a shit call, but it is also different from the Ertz catch. Bryant goes up, is hit immediately and is falling from the get-go. I just don't think the same thing can be said of the Ertz catch. Ertz pushes off and launches into the endzone. Bryant falls to the ground.
BRyant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt5d9FoSXIA
Ertz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cqhUvawoL0
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35329506) |
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Date: February 5th, 2018 5:40 PM Author: odious silver address elastic band
I don't think Ertz is going to the ground. At the very least, you can't conclude that with any certainty.
I think part of the issue is that you are viewing it from the non-catch lens, whereas I am viewing it from the catch lens. The Ertz play skews even more towards catch, regardless of whether you think any of them are catches or not.
So to me, I see the Ertz catch as -- how could anyone think that's not a catch, and then I see the other examples you poasted and want someone to explain to me why those aren't catches, not the other way around.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35332074) |
Date: February 5th, 2018 3:30 PM Author: umber wonderful theater stage
Obviously I'm biased, but I didn't think these were that hard to call as TDs.
On the Clement one, he 1) caught the ball in the end zone and 2) took two steps with control of the ball BEFORE 3) he readjusted the ball and never lost "control" of it as the NFL defines control. Even if he had lost control I think it was a TD after 1 and 2 happened and it didn't matter what he did after that. Could have spiked it and it'd still be a TD.
On the Ertz one, it was much more clear I thought. He caught it at the 6, took 2-3 steps and then lunged forward with the ball. He became a runner before he reached the end zone so the ball only had to cross the plane for it to be a TD by rule.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35330862) |
Date: February 5th, 2018 5:50 PM Author: Henna box office personal credit line
the ertz play, after multiple replays, i thought was properly ruled a td. it would make no sense to give a rb or qb a td just for breaking the plane on a dive or sneak and not rule the ertz play a touchdown.
the clement catch -- the way the league has been calling things this season, i'm with collingsworth. every other game this season the NFL has been ruling that incomplete because of the movement of the football. and i think all collingsworth was pointing out was the inconsistency. he's a logical guy and a tremendously quick analyst (i never understood all the hate he gets, other than he doesn't sugarcoat his opinions).
i'm glad they ruled it a catch, but collingsworth's point was completely valid.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3882889&forum_id=2#35332146) |
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