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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:11 PM Author: Beady-eyed Tattoo https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/13/court-orders-full-restoration-daca-program/?utm_source=onesignal&utm_campaign=pushnotify&utm_medium=push (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35394895) |
Date: February 13th, 2018 4:13 PM Author: Chrome floppy national mood How does the POTUS not have the power to end it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35394916) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:16 PM Author: Overrated public bath roast beef They're saying that it's a violation of the APA.
Not an admin law guy, but using the APA to attack the renunciation of a executive rule seems very weird |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 5:00 PM Author: Dashing place of business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395353) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:14 PM Author: Vivacious Private Investor Whorehouse LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35394922) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:14 PM Author: Vivacious Private Investor Whorehouse these fucking "judges" have no shame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35394925) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:14 PM Author: galvanic canary idiot If only Trump wanted to become the permanent Defender of the Constitution... ugh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35394927) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:15 PM Author: Sapphire useless brakes LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBSSSSSSSSS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35394928) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:15 PM Author: flatulent green parlor yarmulke we have to get rid of 'judges' what a silly convention to have 'judges' in a society |
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Date: February 14th, 2018 1:54 PM Author: citrine foreskin we have to get rid of (((judges))) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35401939) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:15 PM Author: khaki bipolar philosopher-king ticket booth insane (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35394933) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:17 PM Author: Cyan harsh casino liquid oxygen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35394958) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:18 PM Author: Up-to-no-good Aphrodisiac Shitlib Plaza Making it impossible to take them seriously (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35394963) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:18 PM Author: Irradiated Ruby Indirect Expression so "this program that aims to flout immigration law via executive order is illegal" = not a good enough reason to end DACA not right away, not in a week, not in a month, but several months after the announcement date fuck it, martial law |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:20 PM Author: Vivacious Private Investor Whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35394983) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 7:09 PM Author: galvanic canary idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396548) |
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Date: February 14th, 2018 4:15 AM Author: Concupiscible nighttime hissy fit hospital I’ve been dating this for FUCKING YEARS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35399374) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:21 PM Author: Cerebral big-titted range That's what Trump gets for being pure shit at actually governing. Unforced errors all over. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35394998) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:52 PM Author: pearl beta newt yep this is all on Trump. really great point you made there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395288) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 6:25 PM Author: Cerebral big-titted range You know he's sloppy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396246) |
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Date: February 14th, 2018 12:35 AM Author: ultramarine halford school cafeteria Sounds like he's right in this case. You can do things in a way that's likely to withstand legal scrutiny, or you can do it sloppy. Which has Trump done time after time? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35398740) |
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Date: February 14th, 2018 4:16 AM Author: Concupiscible nighttime hissy fit hospital You’re a fucking moron
Give me back my worthless draggies |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:24 PM Author: Abusive Principal's Office Really Tough Guy Not a surprising result given the judge. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395022) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:24 PM Author: lascivious aqua abode Can someone link to the opinion? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395024) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:28 PM Author: Overrated public bath roast beef One link I found:
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2018/images/02/13/orderdaca.pdf |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:37 PM Author: lascivious aqua abode Thanks.
Wow, just wow, on this opinion. |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 7:10 PM Author: blathering hell Trump: DACA is over.
Judge: You didn't use the magic words. |
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Date: February 14th, 2018 12:37 AM Author: Supple purple azn lodge [Scalia skyhooking an infinite can of Ragu towards a wall it will never reach in hell] (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35398750) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 7:16 PM Author: Vivacious Private Investor Whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396594) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:27 PM Author: Well-lubricated university gaming laptop so the president needs more "sound legal reasons" than "it's illegal".
got it. |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:29 PM Author: Offensive location double fault At what point does this wander into constitutional crisis territory? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395063) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:38 PM Author: Beady-eyed Tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395154) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 6:09 PM Author: Well-lubricated university gaming laptop We're in loony tunes now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396125) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 6:14 PM Author: buck-toothed low-t messiness doctorate I've poasted about this before, but sooner or later Trump is gonna say fuck it and start ignoring court orders. These judges think they can make shit up to mean whatever they want, and they're gonna put us all in a bad spot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396183) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 6:39 PM Author: Vivacious Private Investor Whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396345) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 7:16 PM Author: Vivacious Private Investor Whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396595) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 7:17 PM Author: Vivacious Private Investor Whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396596) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:41 PM Author: Cordovan church building mad-dog skullcap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397656) |
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Date: February 14th, 2018 4:17 AM Author: Concupiscible nighttime hissy fit hospital Months ago
Congress needs to impeach this nigger |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:29 PM Author: azure cheese-eating sanctuary preventive strike Isnt DACA based on Executive’s authority to exercise discretion in what to prosecute? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395059) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:32 PM Author: Overrated public bath roast beef Yes, but if they want to end it they need to have a sound legal reason, according to the judge. And since their legal reason wasn't sound, ending DACA violates the APA.
Which seems dumb. Who cares if the President was wrong in his legal conclusion that DACA was unconstitutional? How is that any less rational than just saying "I don't like this program and therefore it's gone"??
Admin is retarded |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:42 PM Author: azure cheese-eating sanctuary preventive strike Isnt this fundamentally a poltical question? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395180) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:43 PM Author: Overrated public bath roast beef Yes. These opinions are dumb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395184) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 5:01 PM Author: Dashing place of business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395361) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 8:16 PM Author: shimmering unholy church lettuce It should violate Due Process, not the APA. What does the APA have to do with an executive order? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396984) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:35 PM Author: flirting boistinker resort who cares? Congress will fix this before it matters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395130) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:44 PM Author: diverse naked factory reset button tanks trumps leverage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395205) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:56 PM Author: flirting boistinker resort Not really. Republicans have been relying on "March 5 is not a real deadline" much more than Democrats. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395320) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 5:06 PM Author: diverse naked factory reset button yea but now both sides know that theres *really* no deadline. dems cant make any substantial concessions while this is out there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395406) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:52 PM Author: blathering hell who cares??? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395280) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:54 PM Author: Up-to-no-good Aphrodisiac Shitlib Plaza Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395308) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:39 PM Author: aromatic brindle dragon dingle berry Law is fraud
Lol at you lolyers |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 8:16 PM Author: shimmering unholy church lettuce Law is not fraud, lawyers are fraud. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396989) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:40 PM Author: glittery ladyboy potus You must have a sound legal reason for enforcing existing laws! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395169) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:45 PM Author: Abusive Principal's Office Really Tough Guy This is outrageous. Gaurafis knows it too, but he doesn't care. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395213) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:49 PM Author: Offensive location double fault My guess is that if you're a judge in a shitlibia, and you want to advance your career, this is what is expected of you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395252) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 5:03 PM Author: Overrated public bath roast beef The only thing a district Court judge cares about is getting on the COA - do politically charged opinions like this even help with that? I would have guessed DCt judges try to be as non-controversial as possible to win Congressional support (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395382) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 6:13 PM Author: Offensive location double fault I have no idea. Maybe he's hoping his fealty to the cause will be rewarded by a later shitlib president? You know, standing up to facism, etc., whatever these assholes delude themselves into thinking.
You know there's all this hero worship of early civil rights decisions from judges like Julius Warring, maybe he's thinking that his decision puts him in a league with him?
I have no idea why else, most college undergrads could probably point out the flaws in this decision. |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 6:56 PM Author: Grizzly gaping there have been judges that move into executive branch, law firms, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396447) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 8:17 PM Author: shimmering unholy church lettuce I don't think so. Isn't Rakoff a titan? Still, NO2dCirPWNED. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396991) |
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Date: February 14th, 2018 4:18 AM Author: Concupiscible nighttime hissy fit hospital (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35399380) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 7:06 PM Author: doobsian marvelous property isn't he the same judge who lowered standards for minority firemen or something? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396526) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 5:01 PM Author: vigorous mischievous haunted graveyard funny that the whole "sound reason" schtick is a revival of substantive due process, but from the left this time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395356) |
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Date: February 14th, 2018 12:32 AM Author: Snowy razzle-dazzle persian Plz don't be a lawyer who ever took an admin law class. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35398730) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 6:40 PM Author: Vivacious Private Investor Whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396348) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 5:03 PM Author: blathering hell though time-consuming, i like the idea of SCOTUS smacking down all these sniveling fags on issues like daca and the travel ban. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395385) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 5:08 PM Author: thriller violent juggernaut office lol @ SCOTUS "smacking down" anything. Nothing will change until Congress grows enough balls to start impeaching these judges. |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 5:10 PM Author: blathering hell Trump will win on both these issues if they get in front of SCOTUS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395462) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 6:10 PM Author: fantasy-prone electric furnace (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396146) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 6:25 PM Author: Well-lubricated university gaming laptop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396247) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 7:27 PM Author: thriller violent juggernaut office of course he will, but these judges are still there and will continue to make insane rulings. Judges have no skin in the game. |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 6:40 PM Author: Vivacious Private Investor Whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396349) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 5:05 PM Author: twinkling electric point DANCE INTO THE FIRE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395396) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 6:40 PM Author: Vivacious Private Investor Whorehouse This is infuriating. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396352) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 6:53 PM Author: Curious Lay PWNED!!!!!! Judges to Trump/Trumptards: how's my ass taste? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396424) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 7:26 PM Author: sooty exciting cuck Just wait til SCOTUS tells judges HOWS ARE ASS TASTE? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396671) |
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Date: February 14th, 2018 4:19 AM Author: Concupiscible nighttime hissy fit hospital This is what living in India is like so you must love it right pp? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35399383) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 6:57 PM Author: Grizzly gaping can't this admin get a couple of conservaheroes to do this shit right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396452) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 7:14 PM Author: jade charismatic theatre coffee pot This doesn't line up at all with how I learned admin law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396583) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 8:19 PM Author: sienna misanthropic temple Infuriating but not surprising. You have cloistered lib judges who hate Trump, supported by naive 26-year-old lib clerks who hate Trump. Typically judges even if very lib or very conservative have the wisdom and judgment to curb their clerks' ideological excesses and to stay within the bounds of the law. Now it seems like they're mutually enabling each other, ruling against Trump whenever they see a legal rationale for doing so that is less than 100% frivolous.
The ruling here is similar to the travel ban ruling, in that they take presidential decisions where typically POTUS enjoys near absolute deference, and subject them to a test where the judge has to find the justification for action persuasive in order to uphold it.
As someone mentioned earlier, yes, this is moving in the direction of a constitutional crisis. |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:37 PM Author: Well-lubricated university gaming laptop This is very dangerous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397627) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:38 PM Author: Vivacious Private Investor Whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397631) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:46 PM Author: Vivacious Private Investor Whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397693) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:49 PM Author: Cordovan church building mad-dog skullcap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397719) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:34 PM Author: domesticated demanding tanning salon Can’t the administration just give another reason tomorrow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397613) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:36 PM Author: buck-toothed low-t messiness doctorate Do you think Hawaii judge will find that the reason is legally sufficient? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397623) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:38 PM Author: Well-lubricated university gaming laptop Exactly. No reason is sufficient. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397633) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:39 PM Author: Up-to-no-good Aphrodisiac Shitlib Plaza No reason to deport the beautiful dreamers could possibly be sufficient. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397640) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:41 PM Author: Well-lubricated university gaming laptop Unreal. I really hope SCOTUS acts quickly. I really dont put this on DACA applicants. They might as well be like STFU hes actually trying to help us. Thats the fucked up thing here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397655) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:43 PM Author: Up-to-no-good Aphrodisiac Shitlib Plaza That’s another amazing thing here. This judge just basically interfered in the negotiations. If this tanks the bill (which I hoap it does) and SCOTUS overturns the dreamers are completely fucked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397667) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:45 PM Author: shimmering unholy church lettuce 180-D chess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397679) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:45 PM Author: fragrant orange corner 8636446353 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397681) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:50 PM Author: Cordovan church building mad-dog skullcap Amazing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397724) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:42 PM Author: domesticated demanding tanning salon They’d try. This incorrect legal conclusion justification allows them to sidestep other admin case law. Fix the memo and they can’t hide behind it.
SCOTUS won’t allow lower courts to veto the president. |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:50 PM Author: Ruddy Chapel National Security Agency Reminder: libs don't believe in the rule of law (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397726) |
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Date: February 14th, 2018 1:22 AM Author: twinkling electric point It's war pal. Is your precious rule of law going to help you when you're on the train to Andersonville? Ha not likely my friend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35398910) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:52 PM Author: plum nursing home partner I for one welcome the complete delegitimization of the judiciary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397739) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:59 PM Author: Irradiated Ruby Indirect Expression (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397785) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 10:01 PM Author: clear library scourge upon the earth I'm going to begin leaving my clerkship off my resume. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397802) |
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Date: February 14th, 2018 1:19 PM Author: Cerebral big-titted range Look at the Little Eichmann over here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35401620) |
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Date: February 14th, 2018 1:24 AM Author: twinkling electric point WE CAN DANCE IF WE WANT TO WE CAN LEAVE YOUR FRIENDS BEHIND 'CAUSE YOUR FRIENDS DON'T DANCE AND IF THEY DON'T DANCE WELL, THEY'RE NO FRIENDS OF MINE |