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Court orders full restoration of DACA program
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:11 PM Author: blue hospital https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/13/court-orders-full-restoration-daca-program/?utm_source=onesignal&utm_campaign=pushnotify&utm_medium=push (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35394895) |
Date: February 13th, 2018 4:13 PM Author: Gay vibrant office associate How does the POTUS not have the power to end it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35394916) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:16 PM Author: Shimmering talking public bath boltzmann They're saying that it's a violation of the APA.
Not an admin law guy, but using the APA to attack the renunciation of a executive rule seems very weird |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 5:00 PM Author: bespoke yellow tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395353) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:14 PM Author: Impertinent orange jap LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35394922) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:14 PM Author: Impertinent orange jap these fucking "judges" have no shame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35394925) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:14 PM Author: Demanding skinny woman mother If only Trump wanted to become the permanent Defender of the Constitution... ugh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35394927) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:15 PM Author: filthy thriller lodge LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBSSSSSSSSS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35394928) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:15 PM Author: Olive Institution Boistinker we have to get rid of 'judges' what a silly convention to have 'judges' in a society |
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Date: February 14th, 2018 1:54 PM Author: Cerise stubborn church building we have to get rid of (((judges))) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35401939) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:15 PM Author: big milky hissy fit insane (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35394933) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:17 PM Author: Hairraiser Theater Stage Therapy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35394958) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:18 PM Author: Ocher crawly clown Making it impossible to take them seriously (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35394963) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:18 PM Author: razzmatazz bistre main people property so "this program that aims to flout immigration law via executive order is illegal" = not a good enough reason to end DACA not right away, not in a week, not in a month, but several months after the announcement date fuck it, martial law |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:20 PM Author: Impertinent orange jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35394983) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 7:09 PM Author: Demanding skinny woman mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396548) |
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Date: February 14th, 2018 4:15 AM Author: Obsidian church I’ve been dating this for FUCKING YEARS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35399374) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:21 PM Author: Razzle underhanded ladyboy That's what Trump gets for being pure shit at actually governing. Unforced errors all over. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35394998) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:52 PM Author: soul-stirring pearly windowlicker yep this is all on Trump. really great point you made there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395288) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 6:25 PM Author: Razzle underhanded ladyboy You know he's sloppy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396246) |
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Date: February 14th, 2018 12:35 AM Author: Orchid bateful spot Sounds like he's right in this case. You can do things in a way that's likely to withstand legal scrutiny, or you can do it sloppy. Which has Trump done time after time? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35398740) |
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Date: February 14th, 2018 4:16 AM Author: Obsidian church You’re a fucking moron
Give me back my worthless draggies |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:24 PM Author: Kink-friendly Stirring Senate Not a surprising result given the judge. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395022) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:24 PM Author: Excitant Prole Can someone link to the opinion? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395024) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:28 PM Author: Shimmering talking public bath boltzmann One link I found:
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2018/images/02/13/orderdaca.pdf |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:37 PM Author: Excitant Prole Thanks.
Wow, just wow, on this opinion. |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 7:10 PM Author: Vivacious domesticated pit Trump: DACA is over.
Judge: You didn't use the magic words. |
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Date: February 14th, 2018 12:37 AM Author: low-t well-lubricated yarmulke [Scalia skyhooking an infinite can of Ragu towards a wall it will never reach in hell] (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35398750) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 7:16 PM Author: Impertinent orange jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396594) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:27 PM Author: Floppy alcoholic dilemma so the president needs more "sound legal reasons" than "it's illegal".
got it. |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:29 PM Author: jet-lagged gaping At what point does this wander into constitutional crisis territory? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395063) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:38 PM Author: blue hospital (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395154) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 6:09 PM Author: Floppy alcoholic dilemma We're in loony tunes now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396125) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 6:14 PM Author: Heady Bull Headed Mad Cow Disease I've poasted about this before, but sooner or later Trump is gonna say fuck it and start ignoring court orders. These judges think they can make shit up to mean whatever they want, and they're gonna put us all in a bad spot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396183) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 6:39 PM Author: Impertinent orange jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396345) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 7:16 PM Author: Impertinent orange jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396595) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 7:17 PM Author: Impertinent orange jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396596) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:41 PM Author: Galvanic ivory set hunting ground (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397656) |
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Date: February 14th, 2018 4:17 AM Author: Obsidian church Months ago
Congress needs to impeach this nigger |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:29 PM Author: Sooty vigorous kitchen newt Isnt DACA based on Executive’s authority to exercise discretion in what to prosecute? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395059) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:32 PM Author: Shimmering talking public bath boltzmann Yes, but if they want to end it they need to have a sound legal reason, according to the judge. And since their legal reason wasn't sound, ending DACA violates the APA.
Which seems dumb. Who cares if the President was wrong in his legal conclusion that DACA was unconstitutional? How is that any less rational than just saying "I don't like this program and therefore it's gone"??
Admin is retarded |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:42 PM Author: Sooty vigorous kitchen newt Isnt this fundamentally a poltical question? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395180) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:43 PM Author: Shimmering talking public bath boltzmann Yes. These opinions are dumb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395184) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 5:01 PM Author: bespoke yellow tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395361) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 8:16 PM Author: Deranged foreskin It should violate Due Process, not the APA. What does the APA have to do with an executive order? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396984) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:35 PM Author: Carnelian round eye who cares? Congress will fix this before it matters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395130) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:44 PM Author: Dun Factory Reset Button Address tanks trumps leverage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395205) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:56 PM Author: Carnelian round eye Not really. Republicans have been relying on "March 5 is not a real deadline" much more than Democrats. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395320) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 5:06 PM Author: Dun Factory Reset Button Address yea but now both sides know that theres *really* no deadline. dems cant make any substantial concessions while this is out there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395406) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:52 PM Author: Vivacious domesticated pit who cares??? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395280) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:54 PM Author: Ocher crawly clown Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395308) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:39 PM Author: cowardly field digit ratio Law is fraud
Lol at you lolyers |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 8:16 PM Author: Deranged foreskin Law is not fraud, lawyers are fraud. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396989) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:40 PM Author: Concupiscible Athletic Conference Stain You must have a sound legal reason for enforcing existing laws! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395169) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:45 PM Author: Kink-friendly Stirring Senate This is outrageous. Gaurafis knows it too, but he doesn't care. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395213) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 4:49 PM Author: jet-lagged gaping My guess is that if you're a judge in a shitlibia, and you want to advance your career, this is what is expected of you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395252) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 5:03 PM Author: Shimmering talking public bath boltzmann The only thing a district Court judge cares about is getting on the COA - do politically charged opinions like this even help with that? I would have guessed DCt judges try to be as non-controversial as possible to win Congressional support (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395382) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 6:13 PM Author: jet-lagged gaping I have no idea. Maybe he's hoping his fealty to the cause will be rewarded by a later shitlib president? You know, standing up to facism, etc., whatever these assholes delude themselves into thinking.
You know there's all this hero worship of early civil rights decisions from judges like Julius Warring, maybe he's thinking that his decision puts him in a league with him?
I have no idea why else, most college undergrads could probably point out the flaws in this decision. |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 6:56 PM Author: Duck-like Crimson Twinkling Uncleanness Shrine there have been judges that move into executive branch, law firms, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396447) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 8:17 PM Author: Deranged foreskin I don't think so. Isn't Rakoff a titan? Still, NO2dCirPWNED. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396991) |
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Date: February 14th, 2018 4:18 AM Author: Obsidian church (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35399380) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 7:06 PM Author: Fishy casino isn't he the same judge who lowered standards for minority firemen or something? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396526) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 5:01 PM Author: Purple brunch death wish funny that the whole "sound reason" schtick is a revival of substantive due process, but from the left this time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395356) |
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Date: February 14th, 2018 12:32 AM Author: Godawful magical tanning salon Plz don't be a lawyer who ever took an admin law class. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35398730) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 6:40 PM Author: Impertinent orange jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396348) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 5:03 PM Author: Vivacious domesticated pit though time-consuming, i like the idea of SCOTUS smacking down all these sniveling fags on issues like daca and the travel ban. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395385) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 5:08 PM Author: Hideous exhilarant abode lol @ SCOTUS "smacking down" anything. Nothing will change until Congress grows enough balls to start impeaching these judges. |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 5:10 PM Author: Vivacious domesticated pit Trump will win on both these issues if they get in front of SCOTUS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395462) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 6:10 PM Author: Swashbuckling primrose library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396146) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 6:25 PM Author: Floppy alcoholic dilemma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396247) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 7:27 PM Author: Hideous exhilarant abode of course he will, but these judges are still there and will continue to make insane rulings. Judges have no skin in the game. |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 6:40 PM Author: Impertinent orange jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396349) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 5:05 PM Author: razzle-dazzle telephone university DANCE INTO THE FIRE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35395396) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 6:40 PM Author: Impertinent orange jap This is infuriating. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396352) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 6:53 PM Author: Mentally impaired reading party PWNED!!!!!! Judges to Trump/Trumptards: how's my ass taste? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396424) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 7:26 PM Author: wonderful brilliant faggotry corn cake Just wait til SCOTUS tells judges HOWS ARE ASS TASTE? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396671) |
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Date: February 14th, 2018 4:19 AM Author: Obsidian church This is what living in India is like so you must love it right pp? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35399383) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 6:57 PM Author: Duck-like Crimson Twinkling Uncleanness Shrine can't this admin get a couple of conservaheroes to do this shit right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396452) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 7:14 PM Author: electric deep mexican sex offender This doesn't line up at all with how I learned admin law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35396583) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 8:19 PM Author: Laughsome sanctuary Infuriating but not surprising. You have cloistered lib judges who hate Trump, supported by naive 26-year-old lib clerks who hate Trump. Typically judges even if very lib or very conservative have the wisdom and judgment to curb their clerks' ideological excesses and to stay within the bounds of the law. Now it seems like they're mutually enabling each other, ruling against Trump whenever they see a legal rationale for doing so that is less than 100% frivolous.
The ruling here is similar to the travel ban ruling, in that they take presidential decisions where typically POTUS enjoys near absolute deference, and subject them to a test where the judge has to find the justification for action persuasive in order to uphold it.
As someone mentioned earlier, yes, this is moving in the direction of a constitutional crisis. |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:37 PM Author: Floppy alcoholic dilemma This is very dangerous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397627) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:38 PM Author: Impertinent orange jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397631) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:46 PM Author: Impertinent orange jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397693) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:49 PM Author: Galvanic ivory set hunting ground (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397719) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:34 PM Author: comical soggy striped hyena Can’t the administration just give another reason tomorrow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397613) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:36 PM Author: Heady Bull Headed Mad Cow Disease Do you think Hawaii judge will find that the reason is legally sufficient? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397623) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:38 PM Author: Floppy alcoholic dilemma Exactly. No reason is sufficient. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397633) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:39 PM Author: Ocher crawly clown No reason to deport the beautiful dreamers could possibly be sufficient. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397640) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:41 PM Author: Floppy alcoholic dilemma Unreal. I really hope SCOTUS acts quickly. I really dont put this on DACA applicants. They might as well be like STFU hes actually trying to help us. Thats the fucked up thing here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397655) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:43 PM Author: Ocher crawly clown That’s another amazing thing here. This judge just basically interfered in the negotiations. If this tanks the bill (which I hoap it does) and SCOTUS overturns the dreamers are completely fucked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397667) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:45 PM Author: Deranged foreskin 180-D chess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397679) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:45 PM Author: Drab famous landscape painting 8636446353 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397681) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:50 PM Author: Galvanic ivory set hunting ground Amazing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397724) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:42 PM Author: comical soggy striped hyena They’d try. This incorrect legal conclusion justification allows them to sidestep other admin case law. Fix the memo and they can’t hide behind it.
SCOTUS won’t allow lower courts to veto the president. |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:50 PM Author: Bonkers black woman lettuce Reminder: libs don't believe in the rule of law (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397726) |
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Date: February 14th, 2018 1:22 AM Author: razzle-dazzle telephone university It's war pal. Is your precious rule of law going to help you when you're on the train to Andersonville? Ha not likely my friend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35398910) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:52 PM Author: Nofapping sticky puppy I for one welcome the complete delegitimization of the judiciary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397739) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 9:59 PM Author: razzmatazz bistre main people property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397785) |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 10:01 PM Author: Misunderstood idiot I'm going to begin leaving my clerkship off my resume. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35397802) |
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Date: February 14th, 2018 1:19 PM Author: Razzle underhanded ladyboy Look at the Little Eichmann over here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3892127&forum_id=2#35401620) |
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Date: February 14th, 2018 1:24 AM Author: razzle-dazzle telephone university WE CAN DANCE IF WE WANT TO WE CAN LEAVE YOUR FRIENDS BEHIND 'CAUSE YOUR FRIENDS DON'T DANCE AND IF THEY DON'T DANCE WELL, THEY'RE NO FRIENDS OF MINE |