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on the actual bar, are there ever answer choices that are wrong bc "incomplete"?
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Date: February 17th, 2018 1:43 PM Author: aphrodisiac associate this is what's giving me the most trouble on the practice Qs: choosing what the company says is true, but "incomplete." i'm usually 50/50 between the right and wrong answer, but sometimes go with the wrong "incomplete" choice.
are real bar questions ever wrong because incomplete? or are there 3 truly wrong and 1 truly correct? |
Date: February 17th, 2018 1:53 PM Author: Crystalline Vibrant Range 3 truly wrong. Poast an example (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895928&forum_id=2#35425150) |
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Date: February 17th, 2018 2:02 PM Author: aphrodisiac associate can't think of any right now.
but basically:
A) Obviously incorrect B) Very likely incorrect C) Could be right, seems right, but would require a leap / an assumption D) Correct statement of law relevant to the problem
We're told C is correct |
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Date: February 17th, 2018 2:10 PM Author: Crystalline Vibrant Range Lol you're going to need a real example. But there is always a flaw in three of the answers. One is clearly better than the others. |
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Date: February 17th, 2018 2:12 PM Author: aphrodisiac associate and you noticed a difference between real MBE Qs and fake MBE Qs put out by Barbri/Kaplan, et al.? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895928&forum_id=2#35425276) |
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Date: February 17th, 2018 2:14 PM Author: Sticky parlour not really. barbris are pretty spot on. and who the fuck is dumb enough to use kaplan for bar prep? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895928&forum_id=2#35425285) |
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Date: February 17th, 2018 2:21 PM Author: silver concupiscible address Cr, but on hard questions sometimes that flaw is that it's merely incomplete. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895928&forum_id=2#35425338) |
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Date: February 17th, 2018 2:12 PM Author: Sticky parlour huh? post an example (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895928&forum_id=2#35425278) |
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Date: February 17th, 2018 2:15 PM Author: aphrodisiac associate i've noticed that we're told some answer choices are incorrect because they're "incomplete," and therefore, "not the best answer," in contrast with a choice that may be more complete (but also required a leap of faith / an assumption to draw the conclusion) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895928&forum_id=2#35425290) |
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Date: February 17th, 2018 2:16 PM Author: Sticky parlour post examples dude. dont try to extrapolate shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895928&forum_id=2#35425295) |
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Date: February 17th, 2018 2:19 PM Author: aphrodisiac associate nah man. i'm not going to go through my book to post examples to show you shitheads that some of these Qs suck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895928&forum_id=2#35425324) |
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Date: February 17th, 2018 2:21 PM Author: silver concupiscible address Odd decision for someone asking for help. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895928&forum_id=2#35425332) |
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Date: February 17th, 2018 2:25 PM Author: aphrodisiac associate i'm in the middle of learning myself a state subject, not going to return to MBE book. just wanted to hear thoughts on something i noticed earlier (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895928&forum_id=2#35425361) |
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Date: February 17th, 2018 2:21 PM Author: provocative sweet tailpipe black woman Why the fuck did you make this thread you lazy dipshit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895928&forum_id=2#35425333) |
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Date: February 17th, 2018 2:21 PM Author: Sticky parlour well then youre an idiot who cant figure out a test designed to weed out the bottom of the barrel in IQ. doubt anybody else here struggled with this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895928&forum_id=2#35425336) |
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Date: February 17th, 2018 2:25 PM Author: aphrodisiac associate poorly executed flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895928&forum_id=2#35425364) |
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Date: February 17th, 2018 2:20 PM Author: silver concupiscible address Are you on level 6 difficulty? Those questions are insanely hard. If you can crush 3-4 you'll be fine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895928&forum_id=2#35425330) |
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Date: February 17th, 2018 2:24 PM Author: aphrodisiac associate not doing barbri but i did a set of Qs that, on a scale of 1-3 (3 being most difficult), were all 3s. i got 56% correct. feeling bad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895928&forum_id=2#35425351) |
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Date: February 17th, 2018 2:31 PM Author: Crystalline Vibrant Range You doing Kaplan? A lot of the Kaplan, Barbri, etc. questions have misstated law. Even some of the videos and outlines have obvious errors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895928&forum_id=2#35425415) |
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Date: February 17th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: Floppy tank I remember one barbri question I got wrong and looked at a flash card I made and was like wtf that should be right. I went back and played the video I made that card off of and compared it to the code and the barbri guy said it totally wrong. Was pissed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895928&forum_id=2#35425512) |
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Date: February 17th, 2018 2:48 PM Author: aphrodisiac associate did you notice any difference between barbri Qs and real Qs? if so, what did you notice? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895928&forum_id=2#35425539) |
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Date: February 17th, 2018 3:00 PM Author: Floppy tank Some of the barbri questions are worded poorly and some try to trick you with ambiguity instead of a hard nuance like the real questions. I suggest doing some real questions before you go in there. I think there's a torrent with real questions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895928&forum_id=2#35425608) |
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Date: February 17th, 2018 3:07 PM Author: aphrodisiac associate what's the difference between hard nuance and ambiguity?
one of the type of Qs I hate are ones that ask, e.g., "if a jury finds Defendant liable, it is most likely because the court applied the
A) Modern approach B) Common law C) English Rule D) American Rule"
C and D could be ruled out because not related to the subject matter, but fuck if I know the difference between a modern approach and common law in some niche area |
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Date: February 17th, 2018 3:28 PM Author: Floppy tank Barbri tries to hide the ball on some questions to make them harder and you'll end up with a maybe between two answers depending on how you read the fact pattern, and the explanation will be like "this obviously meant the one way so B is correct." The real ones will have some exception to an exception that gets triggered by some detail buried in a bunch of other shit that looks like it's testing something else, but if you know the law on it really well you'll have an obvious answer choice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895928&forum_id=2#35425777) |
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Date: February 17th, 2018 3:29 PM Author: amethyst french really tough guy reading party more likely to happen from a test prep company than actual bar question, but still rare. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895928&forum_id=2#35425780) |
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Date: February 17th, 2018 4:19 PM Author: Frum brass area On the MBE, some questions are dumb, and some test prep practice questions are really off. Not sure what company you're using, but I know that some show the breakdown of questions missed - so if you read their explanation and still think the answer is A, and see 50% of people also thought the answer was A, then you're probably okay as long as you understand why minimum wage test prep writer thought it was B.
On the essays, I saw at least one practice essay for my state that was just blatantly incorrect. It was in my practice area and the model answers completely mis-analyzed the issues IMO. I'd be interested to see if real graders would have given my (correct) answer a passing score, but my practice test grader did not.. |
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Date: February 18th, 2018 10:57 AM Author: aphrodisiac associate Subject: OK, here's a good example of a SPS question: https://imgur.com/a/XjuNn
A: Deny the motion, because no search occurred. B: Deny the motion, because fingerprinting is standard booking procedure and no warrant is necessary. C: Grant the motion, because the defendant did not consent. D: Grant the motion, if the defendant objected at the time the prints were taken. |
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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:18 PM Author: Floppy tank A "Fingerprinting involves none of the probing into an individual's private life and thoughts that marks an interrogation or search." See Davis v. Mississippi, 394 U.S. 721, 727 (1969). |
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Date: February 18th, 2018 2:54 PM Author: aphrodisiac associate yes, A is correct, but only 23% of respondents picked it. 73% picked B.
B is also *correct* but just less responsive to the prompt, although the whole thing is made confusing because the prompt says seizure and A only refers to a search |
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Date: February 18th, 2018 6:33 PM Author: amethyst french really tough guy reading party but A implicitly presumes they would need a warrant if they did an actual search but can't you always do a search that is "incident to arrest?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3895928&forum_id=2#35432912) |
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