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Here are a couple poems i wrote in 1995. lol i found them cleaning up.

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Canary Gaping
  02/18/18
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talented cruise ship
  02/18/18
i am embarrassed having read it
Chartreuse boyish haunted graveyard
  02/18/18
you were like 27 back then.
Olive electric church building
  02/18/18
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Supple ivory elastic band travel guidebook
  02/18/18
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Canary Gaping
  02/18/18
you'd be a black great grandfather by now.
Olive electric church building
  02/18/18
cr. I am living like someone in the future w a 200 year lif...
Canary Gaping
  02/18/18
It's word for water is diminishment
laughsome set faggot firefighter
  02/18/18
I remember i really liked that line. something like that was...
Canary Gaping
  02/18/18
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Canary Gaping
  02/18/18
This one is the best. The first one would be good if it star...
appetizing rose organic girlfriend
  02/19/18
haha yeah. I guess so. I have more ... not with me, but at...
Canary Gaping
  02/19/18
I like this one
hyperventilating mind-boggling depressive crackhouse
  02/19/18
Interesting - I didn't mind the first two but this one is a ...
harsh irradiated home
  02/19/18
Yep, lawyer now. I know--its funny that you say that abo...
Canary Gaping
  02/19/18
Trying to make it look like a slug is a little much, but you...
appetizing rose organic girlfriend
  02/19/18
lol yeah. heh. I was intimidated by any strict form but I w...
Canary Gaping
  02/19/18
lol that’s actually pretty good
jade haunting keepsake machete mad-dog skullcap
  02/19/18
i like this one
Copper Senate Sound Barrier
  02/19/18
The others were terrible, this one is 180 (although the jury...
Purple Giraffe
  02/28/18
Eh half of why any poem works is in the end unintentional, f...
Canary Gaping
  02/28/18
okay that one was fine
arousing boistinker resort
  03/02/18
this was good, spaceporn. repoast it, plz.
Comical locale pistol
  04/24/18
I aim to please. imgurs giving me trouble right now but I wi...
Canary Gaping
  04/24/18
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Canary Gaping
  02/19/18
beautiful. thanks for sharing.
Shaky Judgmental Spot
  02/19/18
tyty Maybe I'll put up some more, from when I was in my l...
Canary Gaping
  02/19/18
Great writing for a small child!
demanding bright step-uncle's house tattoo
  02/19/18
I know, rite!
Canary Gaping
  02/19/18
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Canary Gaping
  02/20/18
Wily niggers indeed
Purple Giraffe
  02/28/18
180. I saw that too! Lol I knew what's up
Canary Gaping
  02/28/18
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Canary Gaping
  02/20/18
You published them?
arousing boistinker resort
  03/02/18
yeah, sorry to say--some of them I did, here and there.
Canary Gaping
  03/02/18
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Canary Gaping
  02/20/18
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Canary Gaping
  02/26/18
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Canary Gaping
  02/27/18
is there any money anymore in poetry? like fellowships or g...
cyan roommate lettuce
  02/28/18
I guess. I know a few poets--most of them are hooked up wit...
Canary Gaping
  02/28/18
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Splenetic School Ape
  02/28/18
i get embarrassed reading people's poems about 99% of the ti...
histrionic misunderstood laser beams property
  02/28/18
Yeah, same here.
Canary Gaping
  02/28/18
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Canary Gaping
  02/28/18
man these are bad, but i dont like poetry generally
Geriatric fragrant death wish
  02/28/18
Time well spent...
Canary Gaping
  02/28/18
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Thriller Internal Respiration Dopamine
  02/28/18
Literally shuddered reading these
mischievous office
  02/28/18
Honestly, the average for most people "in" to writ...
Canary Gaping
  02/28/18
Screw the haters. We've seen those clowns struggle to string...
Wine Gas Station
  02/28/18
Thanks man!
Canary Gaping
  02/28/18
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Thriller Internal Respiration Dopamine
  02/28/18
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Geriatric fragrant death wish
  02/28/18
cr. lmao at LathamTouchedMe trying to get some dick.
jet-lagged territorial coldplay fan chapel
  02/28/18
This sounds right. The slug one is ok tho.
Charismatic Federal Skinny Woman
  02/28/18
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Canary Gaping
  02/28/18
Love poem is verbatim third eye blind lyrics
Idiotic patrolman antidepressant drug
  02/28/18
When i was in hs spanish class i told a dude i was an awesom...
Canary Gaping
  02/28/18
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Canary Gaping
  03/01/18
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3907655&mc=2...
Canary Gaping
  03/01/18
after a certain point humanities academics becomes less abou...
Canary Gaping
  03/02/18
It's about a small failure = "you have not failed at an...
arousing boistinker resort
  03/02/18
nah I just cut out the title for obvious reasons and wanted ...
Canary Gaping
  03/02/18
140 IQ, folks
provocative insanely creepy indian lodge background story
  03/02/18
You should use more pronouns.
arousing boistinker resort
  03/02/18
Yeah I was on a "second person" "you" ki...
Canary Gaping
  03/02/18
100% of poetry is faggot. this is no different.
aromatic frisky trump supporter dysfunction
  03/02/18
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arousing boistinker resort
  03/03/18
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Canary Gaping
  03/03/18
GIRLS ARE SMILING FROM ESCALATORS
arousing boistinker resort
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Canary Gaping
  03/03/18
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Canary Gaping
  03/03/18
Ah, poesy!
fear-inspiring razzle mental disorder scourge upon the earth
  03/03/18
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Canary Gaping
  03/05/18
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Canary Gaping
  03/20/18
abandoned this too early--seems like only a start. What a l...
Canary Gaping
  03/20/18
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Canary Gaping
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Canary Gaping
  03/26/18
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Canary Gaping
  03/26/18


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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:40 PM
Author: Canary Gaping



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:41 PM
Author: talented cruise ship



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:41 PM
Author: Chartreuse boyish haunted graveyard

i am embarrassed having read it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35430825)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:41 PM
Author: Olive electric church building

you were like 27 back then.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35430826)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:41 PM
Author: Supple ivory elastic band travel guidebook



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:41 PM
Author: Canary Gaping

22

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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:42 PM
Author: Olive electric church building

you'd be a black great grandfather by now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35430836)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:44 PM
Author: Canary Gaping

cr. I am living like someone in the future w a 200 year lifespan. Gotta cut that shit out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35430852)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:47 PM
Author: laughsome set faggot firefighter

It's word for water is diminishment

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35430866)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:50 PM
Author: Canary Gaping

I remember i really liked that line. something like that was a logical conclusion for the idea that rocks get broken up over time. So what would happen to the key inside. lol at me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35430887)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:59 PM
Author: Canary Gaping



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:32 AM
Author: appetizing rose organic girlfriend

This one is the best. The first one would be good if it started with the word "Olympian"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435803)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:33 AM
Author: Canary Gaping

haha yeah. I guess so. I have more ... not with me, but at home.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435811)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:33 AM
Author: hyperventilating mind-boggling depressive crackhouse

I like this one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435810)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:36 AM
Author: harsh irradiated home

Interesting - I didn't mind the first two but this one is a little too kitschy.

And now you're a shitlawyer?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435821)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:39 AM
Author: Canary Gaping

Yep, lawyer now.

I know--its funny that you say that about this one. Bros who aren't "into" poems generally like this one--which I wrote like I was doing a crossword puzzle, counting out syllables only. It also has some humor, which some of my poems of the time lacked. This was one of my earliest efforts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435837)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:42 AM
Author: appetizing rose organic girlfriend

Trying to make it look like a slug is a little much, but you were 20.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435851)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:45 AM
Author: Canary Gaping

lol yeah. heh. I was intimidated by any strict form but I was drawn to the discipline or puzzle aspect of it so I figured I would try something I thought would be easy. easier than a sonnet at least. Although even w sonnets, the more you practice, the better you get.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435865)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:39 AM
Author: jade haunting keepsake machete mad-dog skullcap

lol that’s actually pretty good

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435839)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:56 AM
Author: Copper Senate Sound Barrier

i like this one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435917)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 4:30 AM
Author: Purple Giraffe

The others were terrible, this one is 180 (although the jury's out on whether the reason it's 180 are unintentional)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504291)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 9:04 AM
Author: Canary Gaping

Eh half of why any poem works is in the end unintentional, fortuitous meteor, etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504634)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 8:58 AM
Author: arousing boistinker resort

okay that one was fine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519367)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 3:59 PM
Author: Comical locale pistol

this was good, spaceporn. repoast it, plz.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35910657)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 5:01 PM
Author: Canary Gaping

I aim to please. imgurs giving me trouble right now but I will

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35911064)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:28 AM
Author: Canary Gaping



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:37 AM
Author: Shaky Judgmental Spot

beautiful. thanks for sharing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435828)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:40 AM
Author: Canary Gaping

tyty

Maybe I'll put up some more, from when I was in my late 20s. I'll keep them in this thread so as not to annoy the fuck out of people who don't care.

I wont put up any I actually published, for fear of getting outted by some doobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435842)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:41 AM
Author: demanding bright step-uncle's house tattoo

Great writing for a small child!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435848)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:45 AM
Author: Canary Gaping

I know, rite!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435866)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 8:54 AM
Author: Canary Gaping



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Date: February 28th, 2018 4:32 AM
Author: Purple Giraffe

Wily niggers indeed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504292)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:57 AM
Author: Canary Gaping

180. I saw that too! Lol I knew what's up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504598)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 8:56 AM
Author: Canary Gaping



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 8:57 AM
Author: arousing boistinker resort

You published them?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519363)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 9:00 AM
Author: Canary Gaping

yeah, sorry to say--some of them I did, here and there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519382)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 2:35 PM
Author: Canary Gaping



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Date: February 26th, 2018 2:21 PM
Author: Canary Gaping



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Date: February 27th, 2018 9:30 AM
Author: Canary Gaping

Post removed by moderator for violating The Law of The Land.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35497325)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 4:51 AM
Author: cyan roommate lettuce

is there any money anymore in poetry? like fellowships or grants or prizes and so on?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504306)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 9:33 AM
Author: Canary Gaping

I guess. I know a few poets--most of them are hooked up with universities as teachers, or the spouse makes the money, or there's a trust fund, or some combination of all three. There's usually $5K here and there in prize money those guys occasionally pick up every couple of years. Def not something you can raise a family on though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504729)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 4:25 AM
Author: Splenetic School Ape



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Date: February 28th, 2018 5:33 AM
Author: histrionic misunderstood laser beams property

i get embarrassed reading people's poems about 99% of the time.

this is no exception.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504320)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:37 AM
Author: Canary Gaping

Yeah, same here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504548)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:29 AM
Author: Canary Gaping



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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:40 AM
Author: Geriatric fragrant death wish

man these are bad, but i dont like poetry generally

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504559)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:58 AM
Author: Canary Gaping

Time well spent...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504601)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:42 AM
Author: Thriller Internal Respiration Dopamine



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Date: February 28th, 2018 9:00 AM
Author: mischievous office

Literally shuddered reading these

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504605)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 9:12 AM
Author: Canary Gaping

Honestly, the average for most people "in" to writing poetry is WAY worse. Not praising myself, just keeping it real. Go to any open mic night. Holy fuck. Bunch of retards. Same goes for most schools lit mags.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504667)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 9:25 AM
Author: Wine Gas Station

Screw the haters. We've seen those clowns struggle to string together a few coherent sentences. These are really good for an amateur writer. Great command of language, nice imagery, fun rhythm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504698)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 9:31 AM
Author: Canary Gaping

Thanks man!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504714)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 9:32 AM
Author: Thriller Internal Respiration Dopamine



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Date: February 28th, 2018 9:32 AM
Author: Geriatric fragrant death wish



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Date: February 28th, 2018 7:54 PM
Author: jet-lagged territorial coldplay fan chapel

cr. lmao at LathamTouchedMe trying to get some dick.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35509625)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 7:59 PM
Author: Charismatic Federal Skinny Woman

This sounds right. The slug one is ok tho.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35509649)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 7:51 PM
Author: Canary Gaping

Post removed by moderator for violating The Law of The Land.

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Date: February 28th, 2018 7:59 PM
Author: Idiotic patrolman antidepressant drug

Love poem is verbatim third eye blind lyrics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35509651)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:07 PM
Author: Canary Gaping

When i was in hs spanish class i told a dude i was an awesome poet and i wrote out the lyrics to john lennon's images of broken light song and passed it to him and he read it and nodded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35509707)



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Date: March 1st, 2018 6:54 PM
Author: Canary Gaping



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35516814)



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Date: March 1st, 2018 7:02 PM
Author: Canary Gaping

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3907655&mc=2&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35516854)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 8:54 AM
Author: Canary Gaping

after a certain point humanities academics becomes less about how much you know or how talented you are and more about how gay-sexy you can be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519351)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 9:03 AM
Author: arousing boistinker resort

It's about a small failure = "you have not failed at anything colossal"

Way to turn text into subtext, spaceporn.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519400)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 9:05 AM
Author: Canary Gaping

nah I just cut out the title for obvious reasons and wanted to be clear what the poem was about, notwitstanding

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519413)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 8:56 AM
Author: provocative insanely creepy indian lodge background story

140 IQ, folks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519355)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 8:57 AM
Author: arousing boistinker resort

You should use more pronouns.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519358)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 8:58 AM
Author: Canary Gaping

Yeah I was on a "second person" "you" kick for a long time. I don't know--it just had that "talking to myself" quality that I liked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519369)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 9:55 AM
Author: aromatic frisky trump supporter dysfunction

100% of poetry is faggot. this is no different.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519645)



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Date: March 3rd, 2018 11:58 AM
Author: arousing boistinker resort



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Date: March 3rd, 2018 12:08 PM
Author: Canary Gaping



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Date: March 3rd, 2018 12:10 PM
Author: arousing boistinker resort

GIRLS ARE SMILING FROM ESCALATORS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35526551)



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Date: March 3rd, 2018 12:12 PM
Author: Canary Gaping



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Date: March 3rd, 2018 12:16 PM
Author: Canary Gaping



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Date: March 3rd, 2018 12:19 PM
Author: fear-inspiring razzle mental disorder scourge upon the earth

Ah, poesy!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35526583)



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Date: March 5th, 2018 9:59 AM
Author: Canary Gaping



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Date: March 20th, 2018 9:12 AM
Author: Canary Gaping



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35643966)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 9:23 AM
Author: Canary Gaping

abandoned this too early--seems like only a start. What a lazy bastard I was.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35643994)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 9:14 AM
Author: Canary Gaping



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35643971)



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Date: March 26th, 2018 12:48 PM
Author: Canary Gaping



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35691483)



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Date: March 26th, 2018 12:52 PM
Author: Canary Gaping



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35691528)