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Ironside & Tennis Fans Pls RATE #tennis
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:13 PM Author: Citrine Library https://i.imgur.com/HvcmaTZ.jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438526) |
Date: February 19th, 2018 4:13 PM Author: aromatic house-broken partner round eye lazy poasting bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438530) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:15 PM Author: Citrine Library pls respond itt:
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897519&mc=2&forum_id=2 |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:19 PM Author: aromatic house-broken partner round eye did you hit your head this weekend? that's the opposite of what i said. i said nadal wasn't going to be able to do that anyway, rotterdam or not. and to be honest, neither should "care" about weeks at #1 at this point anyway. just tournament titles. you take care of #1 via titles. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438594) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:21 PM Author: Citrine Library lance needs as much #1 as possible so he can fend off any future challenge from djoker so he can secure goat#2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438614) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:22 PM Author: aromatic house-broken partner round eye i've already responded many times as to why that position is a loser. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438625) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:29 PM Author: Mahogany seedy ticket booth coldplay fan he's the goat #2 but djoker is ahead of him on the overall GOAT list already (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438674) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:48 PM Author: ruddy razzle-dazzle roast beef reading party lance could retire today and novak would never eclipse him
novak is done being a serious slam contender year in year out
he'll never tie lance in slam titles, you seriously think he can do a 25% bump in slam count in his 30s just to TIE lance |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:49 PM Author: aromatic house-broken partner round eye cr.
at this point i feel the same about fed and nadal as well. |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:50 PM Author: ruddy razzle-dazzle roast beef reading party oh no doubt, we're talking lance needing a 33% increase in slams to pass fed, and he's in his 30s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438812) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:52 PM Author: aromatic house-broken partner round eye and even if he DID do that, i'd think the competition was so weak that it wouldn't make a difference. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438815) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:56 PM Author: Mahogany seedy ticket booth coldplay fan already has more majors+ titles, weeks at #1, arguably the most dominant season in history (against prime lance), and a 17 set consecutive streak of dominance over lance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438853) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:56 PM Author: Citrine Library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438857) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 5:02 PM Author: aromatic house-broken partner round eye oh, so you're just relying on treating the WTF as a major. got it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438910) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 5:04 PM Author: Mahogany seedy ticket booth coldplay fan 5th most important tournament there is bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438918) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 5:06 PM Author: Citrine Library *3rd. ljl at RG/USO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438930) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 5:09 PM Author: Mahogany seedy ticket booth coldplay fan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438945) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 5:12 PM Author: aromatic house-broken partner round eye lol i love this tacit admission that i'm winning the argument. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438965) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 5:52 PM Author: Appetizing adulterous casino (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35439174) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 5:07 PM Author: aromatic house-broken partner round eye LJL, sorry Novak (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438933) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 5:09 PM Author: Mahogany seedy ticket booth coldplay fan <><><><><><> (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438943) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 5:11 PM Author: Citrine Library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438959) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:22 PM Author: Appetizing adulterous casino You seem mad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438632) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:24 PM Author: aromatic house-broken partner round eye i specifically said i don't care. all these guys have enough weeks at #1. titles are the only thing that matters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438645) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:28 PM Author: Citrine Library #1 matters too
and finals/SFs still matter. if fed's not able to win majors at 40, him getting to a SF at 40 would be incredible |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:29 PM Author: aromatic house-broken partner round eye i disagree. these guys have so much "black ink" on their resumes at this point that it's not that big of a deal. it'd be like barry bonds coming back and getting a few top-15s in MVP balloting. objectively, it would be impressive, but it would add next to nothing to his resume.
also, these weeks at #1 are weak. |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:32 PM Author: Citrine Library any late 30's accolades that fed achieves are in a different category. a wimbledon semi at 40 is just another semi on his resume, but you have to look beyond the paper and imagine how incredible that would be (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438688) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:39 PM Author: Appetizing adulterous casino (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438735) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:40 PM Author: aromatic house-broken partner round eye we're not disagreeing though.
objectively it's a good achievement. it does nothing for his resume. when people are comparing him to future champions, they're not gonna be mentioning some old age wimby semi.
it's the exact same with connors. everyone loved his USO semi at 39, but nobody mentions that (or some of his other obscure longevity records) when discussing the all-time greats. |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:42 PM Author: Citrine Library connors' overall longevity stats are part of his ATG legacy.
fed's already at 30 slam finals. if fed manages to maybe win 1 more and gets to a total of 35 finals, that hugely makes his legacy even better. |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:44 PM Author: aromatic house-broken partner round eye yes but read any discussion on all time greats -- no one mentions those stats for connors.
now your back to tournament titles (and major finals) and i've always agreed that adds to a resume. |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:46 PM Author: Citrine Library also slam SFs. he's at 43. imagine if he gets to 50 slam semis.
how many guys could even qualify to play 50 slams? that's 12.5 yrs of slams. |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:49 PM Author: aromatic house-broken partner round eye i'm less impressed by semis.
for example, i think you can make the argument that someone with 2 majors and 8 total major finals is better than someone with 3 majors and 4 total major finals.
i don't think semis ever enter into the equation. |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:54 PM Author: Citrine Library semis are relevant, especially on specific surfaces. sf vs. final might be a function of luck of the draw, in terms of when you run into the champion. e.g.,
fed's lost 4 finals and 2 sf's at RG
djoker's lost 3 finals and 4 sf's at RG
fed is the goat#2 on clay, but it's hard to say that djoker's RG resume is any less impressive than fed's.
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:52 PM Author: ruddy razzle-dazzle roast beef reading party "everyone loved his USO semi at 39, but nobody mentions that (or some of his other obscure longevity records) when discussing the all-time greats."
normally i think ur smart but this is fucking retarded, his run at 39 is one of the first things anyone brings up when discussing ATGs
what they tend to bring up after that was connors has a lot of titles that are bogus because they were these "two top guys paid to play amateurs at expensive country clubs" things that were popular in the 70s |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:54 PM Author: aromatic house-broken partner round eye >> normally i think ur smart but this is fucking retarded, his run at 39 is one of the first things anyone brings up when discussing ATGs <<
link?
i've never seen it.
people always make the consistency argument (titles, weeks at no. 1), the won majors on 3 surfaces argument, and the argument that he skipped RG in his prime bc of WTT and he skipped the AO a lot because no one really cared about it. |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:56 PM Author: ruddy razzle-dazzle roast beef reading party *links to conversations I have in real life with former touring pros and tennis journos* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438852) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 5:02 PM Author: aromatic house-broken partner round eye to be clear, they bring up his run to the semis at the 1991 USO -- a run where he got a bit lucky by not playing a seed in either the 4R or QF (and by getting Haarhuis in the QF, which was the best he did in a major EVER) -- as evidence that he should be ahead of certain players in the ATG rakings? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438907) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:33 PM Author: Mahogany seedy ticket booth coldplay fan weeks at #2 is more prethtigiouth no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438702) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:36 PM Author: Citrine Library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438721) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:39 PM Author: Appetizing adulterous casino (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438736) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:42 PM Author: aromatic house-broken partner round eye weeks at #2 behind prime fed (and ahead of prime djoker) is 100% better than weeks at #1 over an old nadal and an almost 30 cilic. i don't know how you can argue otherwise.
nadal was definitely a better player in 2009 than he was in 2017. same with fed. same with djoker. |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:43 PM Author: Citrine Library * PEAK CILIC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438761) |
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Date: February 19th, 2018 4:26 PM Author: Mahogany seedy ticket booth coldplay fan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897678&forum_id=2#35438653) |