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Didn't realize how Bush's No Child Left Behind destroyed public school forever.

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He was easily the worst President America has ever had. Now...
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Our public schools were amazing and churning out millions of...
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Everyone on PR was from TJ is Va.
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I don't know how Bush fits in, but the rise of charter schoo...
Stirring Flatulent Center Turdskin
  02/19/18
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/07/21/wrong-answer ...
adventurous abode
  02/19/18
No it's not It's cruel to force blacks to conform to white ...
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  02/19/18
Super credited If we were living in a world where the ave...
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  02/20/18
Charter Schools are mostly $cams that savvy minorities have ...
hyperventilating internet-worthy pit son of senegal
  02/19/18
Meanwhile, professionals in Scottsdale are sending their kid...
Stirring Flatulent Center Turdskin
  02/19/18
So disapppointed you’re a charter school shill like Chait. X...
adventurous abode
  02/19/18
My claims are descriptive, not normative.
Stirring Flatulent Center Turdskin
  02/19/18
What did it do? "Soft bigotry of low expectations"...
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  02/19/18
Sold out to GC testing industry. Demoralized teachers and su...
adventurous abode
  02/19/18
or it made teachers have to teach and the liberal shithead...
garnet histrionic site
  02/19/18
Standardized testing is good. The only way to judge fairly.
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  02/19/18
IQ determines fates so don’t stress children. (xo)
adventurous abode
  02/19/18
That line is classic cuckservative. Shift blame to some b...
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  02/19/18
That's based on the lie that race is a social construction. ...
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  02/20/18
US education is fundamentally distorted because its #1 goal,...
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  02/19/18
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That’s not what NCLB is at all though. It’s a pure GC grift...
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  02/19/18
The core of NCLB was the command that schools make progress ...
nubile white elastic band
  02/19/18
so you think schools should just give up?
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Hardly, but the emphasis on achievement gap closure warps pr...
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Any links to scholarship supporting your POV? Curious to lea...
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If you search "detracking" you'll find all kinds o...
nubile white elastic band
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scaling back is stupid. i don't think that was any part of n...
garnet histrionic site
  02/19/18
Abolishing discipline wasn't specifically about NCLB but it ...
nubile white elastic band
  02/19/18
yeah, and the 80s is when shitlibs took over education. rela...
garnet histrionic site
  02/19/18
To be clear, I wasn't saying school discipline is racist; I ...
nubile white elastic band
  02/19/18
okay, but it reads as your opinion i like the idea of nclb ...
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  02/20/18
I agree. Frankly I think military-style discipline might be ...
nubile white elastic band
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Nope that’s your reptard uniformed daddy fetish talking. No...
Magenta ticket booth preventive strike
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Well then they should start rounding up those normal adults ...
nubile white elastic band
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That's top 20% parenting level stuff. I imagine most of your...
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you're a fucking dumbass. it does NOT read as chuck's opinio...
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"the problem kids aren't problem kids because they are ...
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It's not in the school's power to perform social alchemy. ...
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look at you with the white supremacy bullshit look at you d...
garnet histrionic site
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Lol at fanatic free market guy
adventurous abode
  02/20/18
lol @ that shitlib line. The problem with NCLB wasn't that...
orange comical skinny woman
  02/19/18
so what do you think schools should do?
Appetizing affirmative action
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Send low performing students on lower cost vocational school...
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The problems start way earlier than that, but sure. Let’s s...
Magenta ticket booth preventive strike
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so just let everyone run buckwild until age 14
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impossible? bullshit difficult? sure
garnet histrionic site
  02/20/18
A certain percentage of the student population will be 75-90...
orange comical skinny woman
  02/20/18
The problem with NCLB is that it fucks all schools to facili...
Magenta ticket booth preventive strike
  02/20/18
Yes.
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Jfc
Electric trailer park
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You would think the goal would be to maximize the life outco...
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  02/20/18
It's the soft bigotry of low expectations, faggot
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US education system is actually pretty damn impressive. Whit...
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Given the children that are dumped into their classrooms eve...
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U.S. schools and test scores are as good as Finland and Taiw...
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honey-headed theater
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fuck you blaming w for actually doing something right. poor...
garnet histrionic site
  02/19/18
U are, and have always been, a 120 poaster
Electric trailer park
  02/20/18
you, on the other hand, are well, extremely unmemorable or ...
garnet histrionic site
  02/20/18
(Michelle Rhee the cunty turbo-Asian poaster) First of al...
Magenta ticket booth preventive strike
  02/20/18
NCLB and Common Core killed recess and fucked up PE. http...
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Hyperactive senate circlehead
  02/19/18
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  02/20/18
Brown v. Board of Ed.
Tripping unhinged partner brunch
  02/19/18
NCLB was congressionally repealed by bush's own party in 201...
Pea-brained Copper Halford Hall
  02/20/18
Race to the Top is the same thing with a new veneer.
adventurous abode
  02/20/18
bush looked like such a goofball at the signing ceremony for...
Pea-brained Copper Halford Hall
  02/20/18
Race to the Top was a specific grant program from Obama's fi...
nubile white elastic band
  02/20/18
Love these Orwellian bill names.
adventurous abode
  02/20/18
keep talking shit about the Uniting and Strengthening Americ...
Pea-brained Copper Halford Hall
  02/20/18
Ty
adventurous abode
  02/20/18
It's associated with Bush for obvious reasons but it was pas...
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http://www.ets.org/Media/Research/pdf/PICANG14.pdf Testing ...
adventurous abode
  02/20/18
why do you care about education? you're never going to have ...
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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:09 PM
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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:16 PM
Author: Electric trailer park

He was easily the worst President America has ever had. Now his minions are out in the media as "Republican" voices bashing Trump. Sick.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441445)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:17 PM
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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:54 PM
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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:06 PM
Author: jade impertinent hell

PREACH

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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:16 PM
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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:29 PM
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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:45 PM
Author: cracking amethyst nibblets



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:17 PM
Author: Thriller brilliant kitchen water buffalo

Our public schools were amazing and churning out millions of scholars every year until GWB started that "No Child Left Behind" program and destroyed them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441461)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:20 PM
Author: Stubborn green idea he suggested



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:22 PM
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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:40 PM
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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:46 PM
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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:47 PM
Author: adventurous abode

Everyone on PR was from TJ is Va.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441728)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:55 PM
Author: Mildly autistic rehab coldplay fan



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:23 PM
Author: garnet histrionic site

nice

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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:23 PM
Author: Stirring Flatulent Center Turdskin

I don't know how Bush fits in, but the rise of charter schools has given conscientious and savvy MC and UMC parents another way to take a lead over the poors.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441507)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:25 PM
Author: adventurous abode

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/07/21/wrong-answer

This is just soul crushing to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441533)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:49 PM
Author: hyperventilating internet-worthy pit son of senegal

No it's not

It's cruel to force blacks to conform to white intellectual society and then punish them when they inevitably fail.

They would be much happier roaming the plains of the serengeti

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441759)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:47 PM
Author: cracking amethyst nibblets

Super credited

If we were living in a world where the average IQ was 180, and we were being taught calculus in second grade, don't you think we would end up feeling very discouraged and pissed off? And then even more pissed off when all that work we did to try to figure out calculus did nothing for us economically?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35445420)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:51 PM
Author: hyperventilating internet-worthy pit son of senegal

Charter Schools are mostly $cams that savvy minorities have infiltrated to get big education $$$$ in exchange for babysitting kids in an "afrocentric learning environment" and shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441767)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:59 PM
Author: Stirring Flatulent Center Turdskin

Meanwhile, professionals in Scottsdale are sending their kids here https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/arizona/districts/basis-school-inc/basis-scottsdale-871

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441837)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:05 PM
Author: adventurous abode

So disapppointed you’re a charter school shill like Chait. Xo endorses IQ determining your fate regardless of teachers. So they need welfare public salaries to fight GC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441878)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:52 PM
Author: Stirring Flatulent Center Turdskin

My claims are descriptive, not normative.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442252)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:25 PM
Author: mind-boggling degenerate telephone

What did it do? "Soft bigotry of low expectations" is one of the goat lines of modern politics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441529)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:43 PM
Author: adventurous abode

Sold out to GC testing industry. Demoralized teachers and sucked all fun out of learning for children.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441697)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:24 PM
Author: garnet histrionic site

or

it made teachers have to teach and the liberal shitheads failed

miserably

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442027)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:32 PM
Author: racy lemon casino private investor

Standardized testing is good. The only way to judge fairly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442099)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:37 PM
Author: adventurous abode

IQ determines fates so don’t stress children. (xo)

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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:27 PM
Author: Big-titted olive school cafeteria mad-dog skullcap

That line is classic cuckservative.

Shift blame to some boogeyman instead of doing the yeoman's work of deflating equality expectations.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442047)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:49 PM
Author: cracking amethyst nibblets

That's based on the lie that race is a social construction. But if we can't unpack that lie, then we will continue to have consequences that don't match our expectations and not understand what on Earth is going on around us.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35445435)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:49 PM
Author: nubile white elastic band

US education is fundamentally distorted because its #1 goal, above all else, is closing racial achievement gaps. Its #2 goal is closing any gender achievement gap where boys lead girls (but not the opposite). Most of the weird shit in schools makes more sense when you realize these are their goals.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441754)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:53 PM
Author: Hyperactive senate circlehead



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:56 PM
Author: Talking cocky step-uncle's house roommate



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:59 PM
Author: Magenta ticket booth preventive strike

That’s not what NCLB is at all though. It’s a pure GC grift operation to suck taxpayer funds out of the local school districts for Big Testco, and both Bush43 gang and the Arne Duncans are blatantly and proudly corrupt and working the grift as hard as they can.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441835)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:02 PM
Author: nubile white elastic band

The core of NCLB was the command that schools make progress toward universal proficiency, which was an achievement gap-focused venture. Later they tried to push Common Core which was the same idea; kids allegedly weren't learning because they weren't being held to the same standards as kids in nice schools.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441853)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:05 PM
Author: Appetizing affirmative action

so you think schools should just give up?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441879)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:13 PM
Author: nubile white elastic band

Hardly, but the emphasis on achievement gap closure warps priorities. It discourages cultivation of the talented in favor of focusing on the weakest students, often to the detriment of nearly everybody else. Schools routinely scale back gifted programs, accelerated classes, etc while doing disastrous shit like effectively abolishing school discipline in various desperate efforts to make low-performing kids measure up. A lot of the deranged political stuff is also framed as a way to make material "relevant" for poor/minority kids and thereby close the achievement gap.

A more straightforward focus on getting the best achievement we can from everybody while promoting good discipline and citizenship would, imo, have better results in the long run. But the system may already be too toxic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441933)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:16 PM
Author: aphrodisiac brindle internal respiration pozpig

Titcr

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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:27 PM
Author: aquamarine flirting indian lodge knife

Any links to scholarship supporting your POV? Curious to learn more about this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442056)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:58 PM
Author: nubile white elastic band

If you search "detracking" you'll find all kinds of stuff about the need to avoid separating kids by ability. Complaints about scaled-back gifted programs (or overexpanded ones with essentially no entrance criteria) are pretty common too.

I don't have a lot of specific studies on hand; most of this is opinion I've formed from watching education closely for a long time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442280)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:27 PM
Author: garnet histrionic site

scaling back is stupid. i don't think that was any part of nclb, was it? wasn't it just meeting basic standards? in other words, the top can be higher, but the bottom had to be raised?

same with abolishing discipline. i don't think that had anything to do with nclb.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442057)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:41 PM
Author: nubile white elastic band

Abolishing discipline wasn't specifically about NCLB but it is rooted in the achievement gap, imo.

Basically, blacks made huge gains from Brown v Board up through about the early 80s, and since then the gap has been pretty consistent. The stagnation of progress has driven administrators nuts and they basically keep knocking down pillars of education in the name of finding the culprit for the stubbornly-remaining gap. They claim the curriculum is too racist or Eurocentric, the teachers are too white (actually tbh this one may have been accurate; kids learn better from their own race), and yes, school discipline is applied in a racist way and is causing minorities to fall behind. Sabotaging school discipline was justified as a way to stop alleged racism indiscipline from entrenching performance gaps.

Regarding scaling back: All the incentives were related to improving the bottom, so that is what most schools have prioritized and that's where the most resources go. At the extreme end you do see achievement gap motivated insanity; Berkeley High School nearly abolished AP science classes because they were too white and Asian. In general, there's a lot of enthusiasm for the idea that you can improve lower-performing kids by having them learning alongside high performers. There's something to that, but I don't think it's the best thing for the high achievers (certainly not when coupled with poor discipline).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442196)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:56 PM
Author: garnet histrionic site

yeah, and the 80s is when shitlibs took over education. relatively shit iq people can learn things like calculus if they are given the proper instruction and have the proper motivation

cue stand and deliver

i respect you as a poster, but i'm always skeptical when people say something like school discipline is applied in a racist way. it might appear to be racist because more minorities get disciplined, but i think that is generally because minority kids are more likely to be kids who deserve to be disciplined. again, it's not like schools are run by racist whites.

if the focus shifted to benefiting the bottom at the expense of the top, then people should have been screaming to get things about nclb changed. i'm not going to blame w for that. good ideas often need tweaking to deal with unforeseen or foreseen consequences.

i doubt lower performing kids benefit from learning aside high performance kids in most cases. the mismatch theory of law schools is demonstrated over and over and over



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442276)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:59 PM
Author: nubile white elastic band

To be clear, I wasn't saying school discipline is racist; I was just listing it off as a claim that was made to justify radical shifts in education policy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442287)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:05 AM
Author: garnet histrionic site

okay, but it reads as your opinion

i like the idea of nclb because it prevents schools from just giving up on the problem kids

giving up is the easy way out and the problem kids aren't problem kids because they are minorities, they are problem kids because they have shit parenting, shit friends, and do shit things. that makes giving up an understandable response. but, i don't think it is the appropriate, best response for the community, state, country

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442327)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:07 AM
Author: nubile white elastic band

I agree. Frankly I think military-style discipline might be the best/only solution for the worst areas, but it's pretty hard to make any progress if parents are totally useless.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442343)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 2:49 AM
Author: Magenta ticket booth preventive strike

Nope that’s your reptard uniformed daddy fetish talking. Normal adults present in their lives 1 on 1 every day, acting decent to them, showing them some cool shit and holding down a job will do it for any kid that’s not being seriously Precious-level abused by their parents at home.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35443029)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 3:01 AM
Author: nubile white elastic band

Well then they should start rounding up those normal adults to act decent to them and show them cool shit because that's certainly not fucking happening in their schools right now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35443061)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 2:43 PM
Author: cracking amethyst nibblets

That's top 20% parenting level stuff. I imagine most of your peers didn't even have that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35445917)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 2:21 AM
Author: sticky sienna office

you're a fucking dumbass. it does NOT read as chuck's opinion

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442948)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 10:34 AM
Author: Wild razzmatazz associate rigor

"the problem kids aren't problem kids because they are minorities"

This is dead fucking wrong. Evidence? look at African schools, Mexicans schools, etc.. and you will see that the problem closely correlates with race. An xo'er should know better than to peddle that shitlib science.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35444129)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:39 PM
Author: Big-titted olive school cafeteria mad-dog skullcap

It's not in the school's power to perform social alchemy.

If the genes and family culture aren't there, the child will almost certainly struggle.

A lot of teachers know this and understand that they are babysitters while mom and sometimes dad works. They have already given up. NCLB upset this with unrealistic expectations.

There are billions of people who will never participate in the knowledge economy no matter how many resources are directed to them. Forget the three Rs, many many people simply lack executive abilities like being able to show up at a predetermined time consistently.

Unfortunately I don't think vo-tech is the answer either. Factories struggle to find qualified candidates.

We are going to work through the bolus of untrainable people for decades.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442169)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:47 PM
Author: garnet histrionic site

look at you with the white supremacy bullshit

look at you dragging teachers down to your level

the answer is not to give up, it's to give teachers the appropriate means to achieve the ends

and, unlike a lot of people who talk shit without backing it up, i can propose the means

1. you let schools/teachers implement many carrots for good performance at all levels

2 you let schools/teachers implement many sticks for bad performance at all levels. and i am talking about sticks that the shitlibs of education have taken away.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442233)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: adventurous abode

Lol at fanatic free market guy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442296)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:05 PM
Author: orange comical skinny woman

lol @ that shitlib line. The problem with NCLB wasn't that it made kids take tests, its that it was impossible to (significantly) improve overall test scores. Shitlibs can't admit that so they attack the idea of testing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441871)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:06 PM
Author: Appetizing affirmative action

so what do you think schools should do?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441887)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:31 PM
Author: aquamarine flirting indian lodge knife

Send low performing students on lower cost vocational school tracks starting in 8th grade and put gifted high scoring kids into rigorous accelerated programs instead of slowing things down for everyone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442081)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:36 PM
Author: Pearly vivacious lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442140)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 9:13 AM
Author: maroon irradiated national new version



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35443703)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 9:34 AM
Author: Magenta ticket booth preventive strike

The problems start way earlier than that, but sure. Let’s start with year round school from 8-5. We have a school schedule/calendar that was designed for farmers in the 19th century. Have teachers work a full year and pay them for the extra time and it immediately becomes a prestige profession with entry level salaries at 70-80k and pushing/going over six figures once you’re a proven teacher with experience. To pay for it, fire like 75% of central office staff including all the redundant cirriculim specialists that exist in local school districts and make all of that a state level function. Even if we raise taxes a bit to pay for it, the savings to parents in not having to figure out child care for 2-3 hours M-Fri will offset.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35443771)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 10:02 AM
Author: coral wonderful field twinkling uncleanness

so just let everyone run buckwild until age 14

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35443953)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: garnet histrionic site

impossible? bullshit

difficult? sure



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442292)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 9:04 AM
Author: orange comical skinny woman

A certain percentage of the student population will be 75-90 IQ dullards. NCLB mandates that literally 100% of students must eventually meet some testing metric. So its either impossible metrics or meaningless metrics, take your pick.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35443667)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 9:29 AM
Author: Magenta ticket booth preventive strike

The problem with NCLB is that it fucks all schools to facilitate testing the fuck out of ghetto blacks and browns and creating justification to close their shit schools and fire teachers and admins and strengthen the case for vouchers, but more than any of that it’s a path to loot the public treasury and create a symbiosis between Testco and cuck and neolib politicians. A thinking trumpmo hates NCLB, Duncan, Testco and Michelle Rhee and recognizes them as the striver cuck/neolib GC shills that they are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35443754)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:06 PM
Author: adventurous abode

Yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441880)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:04 PM
Author: Amber Hairraiser Sweet Tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441869)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:06 PM
Author: honey-headed theater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441889)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:15 PM
Author: aphrodisiac brindle internal respiration pozpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441957)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:16 PM
Author: racy lemon casino private investor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441966)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:06 AM
Author: Electric trailer park

Jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442331)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:52 PM
Author: cracking amethyst nibblets

You would think the goal would be to maximize the life outcomes of the students.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35445452)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:52 PM
Author: Gay therapy locale

It's the soft bigotry of low expectations, faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441770)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:53 PM
Author: Metal arousing shrine

US education system is actually pretty damn impressive. Whites do better here than just about anywhere else, and same is true for Asians and Latinos. We just look bad because of our mix.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441783)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:25 PM
Author: Glittery Fear-inspiring Tank Crackhouse

Given the children that are dumped into their classrooms every year, America's teachers deserve huge respect for getting them to accomplish anything whatsoever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442037)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 10:54 PM
Author: Magenta ticket booth preventive strike

U.S. schools and test scores are as good as Finland and Taiwan or whatever if you just remove ghetto blacks (or maybe all blacks). And if you ever see a ghetto black school you understand why. I have multiple relatives who have taught in urban title 1 schools at the early elementary level and its mind blowing. Literally 5 year olds who don’t know their own names, can’t identify colors or count to 10 coming into kindergarten. Like blatant neglect suggestive of Romanian orphanage levels of damage before they ever set foot in the schools.

But given that context it’s completely shitty that W basically took away half of recess and art, music and/or PE and stole 90% of the happy and fun times from our kids because ghetto blacks treat their toddlers like shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441789)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:06 PM
Author: deep gas station foreskin

(raycess

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441886)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:07 PM
Author: honey-headed theater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35441895)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:41 PM
Author: garnet histrionic site

fuck you blaming w for actually doing something right.

poors should have access to schools that are sufficient to educate children to a proper standard. if that takes away glee club in the burbs, oh well

explain how it took away recess and pe in other places?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442187)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:07 AM
Author: Electric trailer park

U are, and have always been, a 120 poaster

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442339)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:14 AM
Author: garnet histrionic site

you, on the other hand, are

well, extremely unmemorable or using a different moniker

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442389)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 2:42 AM
Author: Magenta ticket booth preventive strike

(Michelle Rhee the cunty turbo-Asian poaster)

First of all Obama (really Duncan) deserves 40% of the blame. Second of all if you study this issue for two minutes you quickly learn that the test are “products” with planned obsolesence and Testco has shareholders so every year or two they scrap the whole test prep curriculum and flush a bunch more taxpayer money on implementing a new curriculum and hiring new consultants to train the teachers on how it works. It sucks just as bad as the last one. There’s no money in the cure. They want schools hooked on the medicine. In fact if test scores pop too high it creates a bunch of extra work because they have to triple check the results and sometimes retest tomconfirm. The entire system is deeply fucktarded and designed to maximize Testco profits and to not improve test scores beyond a range of expected outcomes. My wife taught early childhood grades until six years ago and of the 12 teachers that were on her team at her last school only two are still teaching now. Everyone hates it—students, teachers, parenfs and there’s now a huge backlash growing in rural Texas that will eventually wash it out.

Third, there’s nothing a school is going to do to make a kid not fucked up if his parents don’t give a shit about him. They are literally Grandma = mommy | mommy = Pam | going to jail pwn3d. The notion that a magic kindergarten teacher is going to have little Darnell do the special fingerpainting picture that will overcome all his life’s other shitty circumstances is profoundly stupid. My wife left her title 1 school to work at a non profit that was basically just mentoring dedicated to these kids from early childhood through grade 12. Her program had a 100% graduation rate and 0% pregnancy rate dealing with these same fucked up kids. They were still barely reading by 6th grade and never had a chance to go to college, but having a responsible adult present in their lives made a difference in them not wanting to hurt themselves or others or wreck their futures. They lived 10 minutes from the ocean and had never seen it, because they spent all their time watching TV while their moms spent all their time drinking (and probably shooting, smoking and whoring) on the corner. If you don’t fix that you are leaving the root cause error in place. Again, remove these ghetto black kids from the numbers and US schools are as good as any other country in the world.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35443004)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 10:18 AM
Author: Magenta ticket booth preventive strike

NCLB and Common Core killed recess and fucked up PE.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/leeigel/2015/01/15/the-common-core-is-taking-away-kids-recess-and-that-makes-no-sense/

http://www.slate.com/blogs/schooled/2014/11/11/common_core_comes_to_gym_class_worksheets_and_word_walls_in_pe.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35444030)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:51 PM
Author: Hyperactive senate circlehead



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442247)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:05 AM
Author: gaped pisswyrm organic girlfriend



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442326)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:31 PM
Author: Tripping unhinged partner brunch

Brown v. Board of Ed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442082)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:22 AM
Author: Pea-brained Copper Halford Hall

NCLB was congressionally repealed by bush's own party in 2015, lol. that's how much of a failure it was - not even its own past proponents were willing to stand by it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442447)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:39 AM
Author: adventurous abode

Race to the Top is the same thing with a new veneer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442518)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:44 AM
Author: Pea-brained Copper Halford Hall

bush looked like such a goofball at the signing ceremony for NCLB:

https://i.imgur.com/lXo0X0D.jpg

you can see john boehner, ted kennedy, bush's education secretary rod paige, a couple other dudes, and some random black kids.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442537)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 12:46 AM
Author: nubile white elastic band

Race to the Top was a specific grant program from Obama's first term (and wasn't too bad as far as those things go). The new law in 2015 was the Every Student Succeeds Act and imo is better than NCLB, mostly because it actually scaled back the federal role in schools.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442543)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:00 AM
Author: adventurous abode

Love these Orwellian bill names.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442609)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 1:03 AM
Author: Pea-brained Copper Halford Hall

keep talking shit about the Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442618)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 2:33 AM
Author: adventurous abode

Ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35442987)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 9:09 AM
Author: Dashing Address

It's associated with Bush for obvious reasons but it was passed near unanimously in both houses of congress. People realized it was a disaster right from the start, too, so it's not like there were unexpected consequences.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35443685)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 3:29 AM
Author: adventurous abode

http://www.ets.org/Media/Research/pdf/PICANG14.pdf

Testing is diaper.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35443141)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 8:19 PM
Author: sticky sienna office

why do you care about education? you're never going to have kids.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3898029&forum_id=2#35448191)