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REMINDER: U.S. white gun violence rates are the same as in Western Europe
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 11:55 AM Author: ivory supple new version U.S. gun violence is almost exclusively a black and Hispanic issue (based on FBI and CDC data). The mass-shootings/school shootings are terrible but the same things happen in Norway/etc.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZCtf80ZL7dg/UNSBzGk7yDI/AAAAAAAAAXc/0VdaNN5P1Nw/s1600/Guns_race.png https://voxday.blogspot.com/2012/12/hispanic-firearms-homicide-rate.html
The FBI doesn’t differentiate between “white” and “Hispanic” criminals, but the CDC does differentiate between victims, which can be used to discover the likely race of their attackers.
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:22 PM Author: Aromatic Rose Trailer Park (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460855) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 2:30 PM Author: curious brunch prole *reptiles jacking off to easily disproven “facts”, lol* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35462012) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:38 PM Author: rambunctious maroon lettuce stead Get on it then, you fucking queer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35470274) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 2:37 PM Author: Razzle field fat ankles aka the "hate facts" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35462061) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 11:59 AM Author: ivory supple new version (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460629) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:02 PM Author: Glassy theater If libs had their way with the 1st Amendment, saying this type of stuff would get you arrested (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460653) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:08 PM Author: Ruby spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460729) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:12 PM Author: transparent french chef point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460754) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:25 PM Author: deep state clown it should (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460875) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:31 PM Author: ivory supple new version Report your neighbor!
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:08 PM Author: ivory supple new version (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460716) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:10 PM Author: stirring crimson shrine rigor US whites kids in public schools test the same as Euro whites too. Same with Asian Americans and Asian kids, black Americans and Africans.
This is how I became a former lib. As a good young Obama voter I actually care about these problems. When you see this data, and the prohibition on discussing it, and you realize liberals don’t care |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:32 PM Author: blue erotic yarmulke lol your so full of shit and its completely transparent. and your side has never advanced any policies that suggest you care about this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35470226) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 5:53 PM Author: marvelous pearly center Then he should be easy to disprove (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35472479) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:12 PM Author: Cream electric address Correct. I went on and on about this in another thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460756) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:12 PM Author: mustard heaven mediation These are hate facts NOT protected under the first amendment. The constitution is nothing but a white supremacist tool of oppression against bodies of coloreds (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460760) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:29 PM Author: Puce university CR. Not negotiable! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460922) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:12 PM Author: curious brunch prole Lol@reptiles never not falling for fake facts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460761) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:13 PM Author: stirring crimson shrine rigor link (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460767) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:15 PM Author: Cream electric address I don't like this particular methodology, but the white (and Asian) homicide rate is incredibly low compared to black/hispanic. Other statistics i've seen put it in the upper range of white euro countries, which is fairly impressive considering (i) our gun laws and gun availability and (ii) the fact that almost assuredly some of the white gun violence is a result of being around black/hispanic gun violence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460776) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:21 PM Author: Citrine Famous Landscape Painting Base I think there's a decimal error on the white rate above.
edit: just realized numbers below are limited to males
https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2017/02/20/gun-violence-and-race-conservatives-gun-owners/
"According to a 2015 Brookings Institution study, 77 percent of white gun deaths are from suicide. Only 19 percent are homicides. Even when you combine homicides and suicides, the white-male death rate from guns is approximately 16 per 100,000. For white women, the rate is less than five per 100,000."
white gun homicide rate (male + female) is ~2 per 100,000 ((16 per 100k + 5 per 100k)/2 * 19%)
"A staggering 82 percent of African-American gun deaths are homicides. Only 14 percent are suicides. The overall gun-death rate for black males is roughly double what it is for white males"
black male gun homicide rate is ~26 per 100,000 (32 per 100k * 82%) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:27 PM Author: chrome exhilarant stage jap WTF, never seen this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460903) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:48 PM Author: Self-absorbed hairless friendly grandma A little over 2 per 100k seems about right from the 538 post that broke down homicide victims by race (black, white, and hispanic), assuming about 85%-90% of homicides are not interracial.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/black-americans-are-killed-at-12-times-the-rate-of-people-in-other-developed-countries/ |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 2:22 PM Author: Citrine Famous Landscape Painting Base I'm not certain, but I imagine the ~2 per 100k extrapolated from the above likely includes hispanic as white (overall homicide rate for whites/hispanics around 3.0 per the chart in the 538 article, gun homicide rate around 2.0). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35461953) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:21 PM Author: Ruby spot where are the REAL FACTS on gun crime committed by race? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460839) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 2:24 PM Author: curious brunch prole DOJ.gov. Do your own homework bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35461970) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 6:05 PM Author: Thirsty garrison keepsake machete Pretty sure that's your homework if you're the one saying something isn't true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35472576) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:16 PM Author: fighting up-to-no-good principal's office windowlicker See below: http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35469942
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:28 PM Author: Puce university ... said the guy who repeatedly fell for a black drug addict's lies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460911) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:51 PM Author: multi-colored parlor Lib here. Can you link to real facts so I can refute OP? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35461039) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 1:06 PM Author: Self-absorbed hairless friendly grandma See above for data on victims by race that includes Hispanics. The blog author makes the error of extrapolating homicide rates from youth offenders (10-24 yrs of age). The racial gap between hispanics and whites (and blacks and whites) is likely greatest in those ages and then diminishes significantly with age. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35461143) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:22 PM Author: Aromatic Rose Trailer Park (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460852) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:27 PM Author: excitant plum puppy Yeah, but because of urban crime the govt needs to...take your guns? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460905) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:30 PM Author: Charismatic mental disorder locus Don't give a shit about urban crime. Let's talk about whites shooting up concerts and schools. It seems like a good idea to prevent that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460925) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:32 PM Author: Ruby spot that's extremely rare. also many shooters are not white (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460945) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 2:26 PM Author: indigo startled site have a more credible link? there are a few harvard studies (very easy to google them) indicating otherwise that control for socioeconomic factors (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35461982) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 2:27 PM Author: multi-colored parlor I think from other studies i've seen white rate in US is higher than in Europe but still comparable and relatively low. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35462000) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 2:31 PM Author: Cream electric address cr. and then ask yourself to what degree is that rate affected by the USA having violent minorities? it certainly doesn't lower it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35462030) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 2:32 PM Author: curious brunch prole *an scholar, reviewing studies for statistical validity* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35462032) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 4:12 PM Author: multi-colored parlor Do you have anything meaningful to post in this thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35462893) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 4:24 PM Author: deep state clown you have a small penis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35463005) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 6:08 PM Author: Aphrodisiac lodge organic girlfriend his point is that prestige is regulated and meted out to people who will NOT accept such conclusions (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35472609) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 4:11 PM Author: Nubile stage At least some of those studies lump in hispanics as white. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35462881) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 2:34 PM Author: sooty dashing institution yeah and Europe has like no africans/middle easterners (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35462050) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:49 PM Author: sticky corner Do you have race differentiated gun violence stats for Europe? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35462671) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 4:25 PM Author: Painfully Honest Factory Reset Button Lay you'd have to factor out the nonwhite shootings in europe to get a comparison, though. in a country like the netherlands with a murder rate c. 1.0, a lot of those murders (and seemingly most of the shootings) are done by nonwhites. the actual ethnic dutch murder rate is probably 0.5 or lower. the US seems to have a murder rate "floor" somewhat more than double that, even in very "safe" states. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35463017) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 11:58 AM Author: burgundy wonderful tanning salon hissy fit exactly. we still have a shitload more gun violence.
hardcore shitlibs will also argue that it's a societal issue. reptiles obviously prefer to circle the wagons and say 'this is not something that should concern white people.' |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 12:33 PM Author: Citrine Famous Landscape Painting Base A white murder rate of 2 per 100k instead of 0.5-1 per 100k really shouldn't concern us to greatly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35469804) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 12:50 PM Author: fighting up-to-no-good principal's office windowlicker Couldn't find gun homicide by race that doesn't lump hispanic with white. But did find violent crimes involving firearms by race that separates hispanic from white in Table 7 of https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rhovo1215.pdf
If you take just the firearm data, you get: Total gun violence 100% 385030.8 White gun violence 23% 89157.65 Black gun violence 42% 161878.26 Other gun violence 35% 133994.89
If you extrapolate the gun murder rate from the gun violence rate using: Gun homicide: 11,208 Gun violence: 385,030.80
You get: Population - Gun Violence per 100,000 - Estimated gun homicide per 100,000 White:197,243,423............45.2........................1.3 Black: 39,908,095...........405.6.......................11.8 Other: 79,363,503...........168.8........................4.9 Total:316,515,021...........121.6........................3.5
But we know that black murder rate is actually 52%, not 42%. So if we adjust the white and other proportionally, we get:
Gun Homicide per 100,000: White: 1.088766978 Black:14.61601331 Other: 1.963617242
1/100,000 is still high for a rich white country, but not as crazy as media would have you believe.
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:21 PM Author: Harsh water buffalo giraffe And the overall, absolute number of deaths are still higher because there are more guns here. Instead of blaming blacks, How about just reducing the number if guns in the first place and picking up new hobbies instead of hunting/shooting children at schools? Go enjoy playstation instead of killing others, Trumptard weirdos (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35470161) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:33 PM Author: deep state clown we need guns to have the ability to shoot indians, asians, etc. at will (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35470235) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:35 PM Author: Harsh water buffalo giraffe Careful, you might run out of bullets from shooting up children at schools before you get to that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35470246) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:38 PM Author: deep state clown im a nigger i just shoot potbellied trudskins when they get uppity behind the cash register (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35470275) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 5:59 PM Author: marvelous pearly center Well Mao, because your people genocided themselves in the 20th century and we don’t want that to happen here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35472518) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:25 PM Author: blue erotic yarmulke Why are you arbitrarily limiting it to western europe? What about central and eastern europe? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35470184) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:33 PM Author: awkward theatre coffee pot bc that is where Americans are from (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35470232) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:29 PM Author: blue erotic yarmulke Well you cant constitutionally restrict gun ownership based on race. Libs tried to restrict it based on geography (Chicago, for example) but the rightwing and the NRA wouldnt allow it, so all libs are left with is to restrict it for everyone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35470208) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:52 PM Author: excitant plum puppy What's it take again to pass strict scrutiny? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35470391) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 6:04 PM Author: Aphrodisiac lodge organic girlfriend you also can't base law on facts about racial propensity
thanks libs |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:36 PM Author: Bateful mildly autistic wrinkle https://news.stanford.edu/news/2013/january/test-scores-ranking-011513.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35470262) |