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REMINDER: U.S. white gun violence rates are the same as in Western Europe
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 11:55 AM Author: fiercely-loyal floppy den ratface U.S. gun violence is almost exclusively a black and Hispanic issue (based on FBI and CDC data). The mass-shootings/school shootings are terrible but the same things happen in Norway/etc.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZCtf80ZL7dg/UNSBzGk7yDI/AAAAAAAAAXc/0VdaNN5P1Nw/s1600/Guns_race.png https://voxday.blogspot.com/2012/12/hispanic-firearms-homicide-rate.html
The FBI doesn’t differentiate between “white” and “Hispanic” criminals, but the CDC does differentiate between victims, which can be used to discover the likely race of their attackers.
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:00 PM Author: Confused shrine really tough guy This is information you are not supposed to have (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460637) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:09 PM Author: histrionic gold box office halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460739) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:22 PM Author: amber talented degenerate volcanic crater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460855) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 2:30 PM Author: Yellow pea-brained university ceo *reptiles jacking off to easily disproven “facts”, lol* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35462012) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:38 PM Author: charcoal slap-happy gas station Get on it then, you fucking queer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35470274) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 6:03 PM Author: bearded blood rage he's hoping enough of the groups mentioned and also willfully illusioned libs are in decision making capacities. This way such facts are ignored, some bullshit excuse is accepted for them or they are made illegal |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 2:37 PM Author: underhanded motley dilemma aka the "hate facts" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35462061) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 6:00 PM Author: bearded blood rage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35472531) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 6:08 PM Author: bearded blood rage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35472612) |
Date: February 22nd, 2018 11:59 AM Author: fiercely-loyal floppy den ratface (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460629) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:02 PM Author: translucent swashbuckling orchestra pit boltzmann If libs had their way with the 1st Amendment, saying this type of stuff would get you arrested (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460653) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:08 PM Author: Drunken friendly grandma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460729) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:12 PM Author: Confused shrine really tough guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460754) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:25 PM Author: nubile library it should (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460875) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:26 PM Author: startled theater stage see e.g. uk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460887) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:31 PM Author: fiercely-loyal floppy den ratface Report your neighbor!
http://report-it.org.uk/reporting_internet_hate_crime |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 6:03 PM Author: bearded blood rage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35472555) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:24 PM Author: unholy khaki indian lodge azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35470176) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:27 PM Author: nighttime location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35470196) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 6:01 PM Author: Titillating Grizzly Depressive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35472538) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 6:03 PM Author: bearded blood rage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35472556) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:08 PM Author: fiercely-loyal floppy den ratface (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460716) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:10 PM Author: Sable plaza US whites kids in public schools test the same as Euro whites too. Same with Asian Americans and Asian kids, black Americans and Africans.
This is how I became a former lib. As a good young Obama voter I actually care about these problems. When you see this data, and the prohibition on discussing it, and you realize liberals don’t care |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:32 PM Author: boyish fishy senate lol your so full of shit and its completely transparent. and your side has never advanced any policies that suggest you care about this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35470226) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 5:53 PM Author: lime background story Then he should be easy to disprove (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35472479) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:12 PM Author: harsh adventurous doctorate Correct. I went on and on about this in another thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460756) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:12 PM Author: embarrassed to the bone abode These are hate facts NOT protected under the first amendment. The constitution is nothing but a white supremacist tool of oppression against bodies of coloreds (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460760) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:29 PM Author: exhilarant dragon business firm CR. Not negotiable! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460922) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:12 PM Author: Yellow pea-brained university ceo Lol@reptiles never not falling for fake facts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460761) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:13 PM Author: Sable plaza link (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460767) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:15 PM Author: harsh adventurous doctorate I don't like this particular methodology, but the white (and Asian) homicide rate is incredibly low compared to black/hispanic. Other statistics i've seen put it in the upper range of white euro countries, which is fairly impressive considering (i) our gun laws and gun availability and (ii) the fact that almost assuredly some of the white gun violence is a result of being around black/hispanic gun violence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460776) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:21 PM Author: mint twisted kitchen trust fund I think there's a decimal error on the white rate above.
edit: just realized numbers below are limited to males
https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2017/02/20/gun-violence-and-race-conservatives-gun-owners/
"According to a 2015 Brookings Institution study, 77 percent of white gun deaths are from suicide. Only 19 percent are homicides. Even when you combine homicides and suicides, the white-male death rate from guns is approximately 16 per 100,000. For white women, the rate is less than five per 100,000."
white gun homicide rate (male + female) is ~2 per 100,000 ((16 per 100k + 5 per 100k)/2 * 19%)
"A staggering 82 percent of African-American gun deaths are homicides. Only 14 percent are suicides. The overall gun-death rate for black males is roughly double what it is for white males"
black male gun homicide rate is ~26 per 100,000 (32 per 100k * 82%) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:27 PM Author: Cyan idiot WTF, never seen this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460903) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:48 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle nibblets A little over 2 per 100k seems about right from the 538 post that broke down homicide victims by race (black, white, and hispanic), assuming about 85%-90% of homicides are not interracial.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/black-americans-are-killed-at-12-times-the-rate-of-people-in-other-developed-countries/ |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 2:22 PM Author: mint twisted kitchen trust fund I'm not certain, but I imagine the ~2 per 100k extrapolated from the above likely includes hispanic as white (overall homicide rate for whites/hispanics around 3.0 per the chart in the 538 article, gun homicide rate around 2.0). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35461953) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:21 PM Author: Drunken friendly grandma where are the REAL FACTS on gun crime committed by race? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460839) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 2:24 PM Author: Yellow pea-brained university ceo DOJ.gov. Do your own homework bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35461970) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 6:05 PM Author: orange mad-dog skullcap organic girlfriend Pretty sure that's your homework if you're the one saying something isn't true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35472576) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:16 PM Author: Aggressive national prole See below: http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35469942
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:28 PM Author: exhilarant dragon business firm ... said the guy who repeatedly fell for a black drug addict's lies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460911) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:51 PM Author: Canary odious ticket booth wrinkle Lib here. Can you link to real facts so I can refute OP? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35461039) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 1:06 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle nibblets See above for data on victims by race that includes Hispanics. The blog author makes the error of extrapolating homicide rates from youth offenders (10-24 yrs of age). The racial gap between hispanics and whites (and blacks and whites) is likely greatest in those ages and then diminishes significantly with age. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35461143) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:22 PM Author: amber talented degenerate volcanic crater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460852) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:27 PM Author: self-absorbed diverse gunner theatre Yeah, but because of urban crime the govt needs to...take your guns? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460905) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:30 PM Author: pearl sandwich Don't give a shit about urban crime. Let's talk about whites shooting up concerts and schools. It seems like a good idea to prevent that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460925) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:32 PM Author: Drunken friendly grandma that's extremely rare. also many shooters are not white (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35460945) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 2:26 PM Author: violent white temple queen of the night have a more credible link? there are a few harvard studies (very easy to google them) indicating otherwise that control for socioeconomic factors (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35461982) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 2:27 PM Author: Canary odious ticket booth wrinkle I think from other studies i've seen white rate in US is higher than in Europe but still comparable and relatively low. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35462000) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 2:31 PM Author: harsh adventurous doctorate cr. and then ask yourself to what degree is that rate affected by the USA having violent minorities? it certainly doesn't lower it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35462030) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 2:32 PM Author: Yellow pea-brained university ceo *an scholar, reviewing studies for statistical validity* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35462032) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 4:12 PM Author: Canary odious ticket booth wrinkle Do you have anything meaningful to post in this thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35462893) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 4:24 PM Author: nubile library you have a small penis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35463005) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 6:08 PM Author: bearded blood rage his point is that prestige is regulated and meted out to people who will NOT accept such conclusions (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35472609) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 4:11 PM Author: Apoplectic Jap Locale At least some of those studies lump in hispanics as white. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35462881) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 2:34 PM Author: Puce Pozpig Stage yeah and Europe has like no africans/middle easterners (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35462050) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:49 PM Author: Shimmering racy native Do you have race differentiated gun violence stats for Europe? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35462671) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 4:21 PM Author: Submissive sneaky criminal dopamine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35462971) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 4:25 PM Author: out-of-control overrated tanning salon you'd have to factor out the nonwhite shootings in europe to get a comparison, though. in a country like the netherlands with a murder rate c. 1.0, a lot of those murders (and seemingly most of the shootings) are done by nonwhites. the actual ethnic dutch murder rate is probably 0.5 or lower. the US seems to have a murder rate "floor" somewhat more than double that, even in very "safe" states. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35463017) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 11:58 AM Author: Crystalline house-broken hell deer antler exactly. we still have a shitload more gun violence.
hardcore shitlibs will also argue that it's a societal issue. reptiles obviously prefer to circle the wagons and say 'this is not something that should concern white people.' |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 12:33 PM Author: mint twisted kitchen trust fund A white murder rate of 2 per 100k instead of 0.5-1 per 100k really shouldn't concern us to greatly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35469804) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 12:50 PM Author: Aggressive national prole Couldn't find gun homicide by race that doesn't lump hispanic with white. But did find violent crimes involving firearms by race that separates hispanic from white in Table 7 of https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rhovo1215.pdf
If you take just the firearm data, you get: Total gun violence 100% 385030.8 White gun violence 23% 89157.65 Black gun violence 42% 161878.26 Other gun violence 35% 133994.89
If you extrapolate the gun murder rate from the gun violence rate using: Gun homicide: 11,208 Gun violence: 385,030.80
You get: Population - Gun Violence per 100,000 - Estimated gun homicide per 100,000 White:197,243,423............45.2........................1.3 Black: 39,908,095...........405.6.......................11.8 Other: 79,363,503...........168.8........................4.9 Total:316,515,021...........121.6........................3.5
But we know that black murder rate is actually 52%, not 42%. So if we adjust the white and other proportionally, we get:
Gun Homicide per 100,000: White: 1.088766978 Black:14.61601331 Other: 1.963617242
1/100,000 is still high for a rich white country, but not as crazy as media would have you believe.
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:21 PM Author: Sooty Maniacal Locus Selfie And the overall, absolute number of deaths are still higher because there are more guns here. Instead of blaming blacks, How about just reducing the number if guns in the first place and picking up new hobbies instead of hunting/shooting children at schools? Go enjoy playstation instead of killing others, Trumptard weirdos (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35470161) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:33 PM Author: nubile library we need guns to have the ability to shoot indians, asians, etc. at will (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35470235) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:35 PM Author: Sooty Maniacal Locus Selfie Careful, you might run out of bullets from shooting up children at schools before you get to that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35470246) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:38 PM Author: nubile library im a nigger i just shoot potbellied trudskins when they get uppity behind the cash register (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35470275) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 5:59 PM Author: lime background story Well Mao, because your people genocided themselves in the 20th century and we don’t want that to happen here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35472518) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:25 PM Author: boyish fishy senate Why are you arbitrarily limiting it to western europe? What about central and eastern europe? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35470184) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:33 PM Author: Trip lay bc that is where Americans are from (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35470232) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:29 PM Author: boyish fishy senate Well you cant constitutionally restrict gun ownership based on race. Libs tried to restrict it based on geography (Chicago, for example) but the rightwing and the NRA wouldnt allow it, so all libs are left with is to restrict it for everyone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35470208) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:52 PM Author: self-absorbed diverse gunner theatre What's it take again to pass strict scrutiny? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35470391) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 6:04 PM Author: bearded blood rage you also can't base law on facts about racial propensity
thanks libs |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:36 PM Author: nudist brunch alpha https://news.stanford.edu/news/2013/january/test-scores-ranking-011513.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3900460&forum_id=2#35470262) |