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Date: March 9th, 2018 1:45 AM Author: Red Roast Beef
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https://abovethelaw.com/2018/03/professor-declares-black-students-rarely-graduate-in-the-top-half-of-law-school-class/?rf=1
Professor Declares Black Students ‘Rarely’ Graduate In The Top Half Of Law School Class
By Joe Patrice
5-7 minutes
Comedian Cristela Alonzo has this bit about walking through a racist locale and facing shouts of “Mexicans are lazy” and that “Mexicans are taking all our jobs,” forcing her to wonder “well, which one is it?”
Professor Amy Wax of Penn Law would do well to remember this little life lesson in racist contradiction before she makes any more public statements. In September, Wax appeared on Brown University economics professor Glenn Loury’s Skypecast and rambled about her unorthodox (read: lazy) views on race and sex. But toward the end of the show, Professor Wax found herself flummoxed by an interviewer applying basic logic and that’s landed her in more hot water.
The full interview is below, but it’s cued up to the most important point. Right after she’s finished explaining how black people would be better off if they understood that they’re better at menial tasks — yes, that’s actually part of the discussion that precedes this clip — Professor Wax claims that a black student has never finished in the top quarter of a graduating class Penn Law as far as she can remember and that they “rarely, rarely” finish in the top half. That prompts this money exchange:
For those unable to watch, here’s a transcript:
Loury: Do you have a racial diversity mandate for law review appointments at Penn?
Wax: Yes. Yes.
Loury: So you’re telling me that students of color who have served on law review are pretty much in the bottom half of their law classes at Penn?
Wax: …
Silence. The audience is just treated to long beats of dead air as she rolls her eyes back into her head to access whatever part of the reptilian brain controls explicit bias and scrambles to put together something to justify her wildly unsupported claim. When everyone came out of the woodwork to carefully and thoroughly undermine her shoddy, baseless claims in that infamous op-ed, she had the luxury of pretending that no one engaged her argument substantively and hoping that no one took the time to look back and discover that it’s an utter falsehood. But when called out in a recorded interview, there’s no way to wave it off.
That’s when Wax, in desperation, ran face first into the wood chipper.
I would have to– What I know– I mean, I haven’t done a survey, I haven’t done a systematic study– I’m talking about who gets the honor– I have a big, I have a class of 89 or 95 students every year. So I see a big chunk of students every year, so I’m going on that because a lot of this data is a closely guarded secret as you can imagine.
So I guess the follow-up question is… which one is it? Did she have absolutely no evidentiary basis for claiming black students “rarely, rarely” finish in the top half of their classes at Penn or does she routinely violate blind grading rules? Because it’s one or the other and neither ends well for Wax. [UPDATE: Someone just pointed out to me a third option — if she grades blind and then seeks out grade information after the fact, then she’s admitting that she goes back and tries to figure out how black students specifically did in her course. That’s also disturbing.]
This double-bind is the basis of an alumni and student letter to Penn Law’s Dean Ruger:
Setting aside the false and slanderous nature of these statements, Professor Wax’s actions are in clear violation of the terms and spirit of Penn Law’s anonymous grading policy, and compromise the law school’s assurance that grades are maintained by the Registrar under strict scrutiny. In light of this policy, we would like to know upon what data Professor Wax relies, and whether such race-based data is even collected by the Law School. We are particularly sensitive to the cavalierly offensive remarks given that professors do not have access to name or race-based grades.
The truth is, almost certainly, that Professor Wax has no idea what grades black students are getting at Penn Law and just made it all up to support laughable and discredited UCLA Law Professor Richard Sander’s Mismatch theory just like she made up all those “facts” to support her white cultural supremacy op-ed with Larry Alexander.
But this is the struggle for the clutch of academics searching for the Grand Unifying Theory of Justifiable Racism. There are only a finite number of facts that can be cherry-picked to back up this worldview and relying on out of context data usually creates a host of contradictions.
Will this be the event that finally gets Dean Ruger to pull Wax from 1L teaching duties? Ruger has already passed on a call to do so and likes to elide the subject of Professor Wax’s demeaning statements, but perhaps intimating that she violates school policy on a talk show will generate some urgency.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3913868&forum_id=2#35567392) |
Date: March 9th, 2018 1:49 AM Author: Hyperactive stimulating bbw box office
She probably was about to violate some nondisclosure deal she had to sign in agreeing to serve as a faculty advisor, or something.
Also, spics and nigs still need to be above median to make LR.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3913868&forum_id=2#35567407) |
Date: March 9th, 2018 2:23 AM Author: frisky cruise ship scourge upon the earth
How does stuff like this get published?
I get the comedian's joke about mexicans working because there is an obvious contradiction there. But how does that apply to law review if law review has AA spots? Am I missing something?
Also, it really bothers me when these people just say things like "she's probably just trying to bolster the discredited mismatch theory paper." How was it discredited and by who? It's bizarre the media has resorted to labeling rather than explaining.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3913868&forum_id=2#35567491) |
Date: March 9th, 2018 3:02 AM Author: 180 quadroon church
"Setting aside the false and slanderous nature of these statements"
This guy actually writes for a law blog?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3913868&forum_id=2#35567539) |
Date: March 9th, 2018 3:41 AM Author: judgmental khaki gunner abode
It seems very strange if faculty is supposed to have no idea how their law students are performing. My guess is that final grades of all students are well known to faculty, as are lists of 'honours' etc etc. So this professor's comment about negroes is most likely well founded.
This ATL editor seems just a drama queen.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3913868&forum_id=2#35567556) |
Date: March 9th, 2018 4:14 AM Author: rose legal warrant
"Professor Wax’s actions are in clear violation of the terms and spirit of Penn Law’s anonymous grading policy, and compromise the law school’s assurance that grades are maintained by the Registrar under strict scrutiny."
What the fuck does this guy think strict scrutiny means?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3913868&forum_id=2#35567579) |
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3913868&forum_id=2#35567696) |
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Date: March 9th, 2018 8:03 AM Author: rose legal warrant
Yeah, I don't get this.
AA in law school admissions means that minorities are going to, for the most part, be at or near the bottom of the class. A black student who could be top at the class at Penn is going to Harvard on a scholarship-- his 'slot' at the top of Penn will be taken by a white guy paying sticker. To compensate for this, libs also want AA slots in law review.
But you know what libs, fine, you win. We have no idea what the grade distribution is like for minorities but, hey, law school is blind grading. So how about we do law review strictly based on grades? *blank stare*.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3913868&forum_id=2#35567908) |
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Date: March 9th, 2018 8:18 AM Author: talented turdskin shitlib
Well this is the lib shit, we have to have SJW programs like AA, but then we also have to ignore that they're there. I interviewed a kid at my law firm a few years back who had interned with a friend's organization 1L year. Kid gave really shitty answers to the most basic questions.
- Had clear ties to another city and offered desires to go back to that city really without provocation.
- Had pretty shitty grades.
- Spent the whole time talking about the desire to work on pro bono shit and showed no interest in actual work.
- Was generally boring.
So my friend asked how the kid did, because she wasn't even a huge fan of him. I said interview was shitty, but he'll probably get an offer because the firm was making diversity hiring a major priority. She got super annoyed and told me I wasn't allowed to say that. After I laughed and asked why, she started lecturing me about how it's a problem if you think about the fact that this stuff happens and it's going to negatively impact your view on black co-workers.
There's no self-awareness for libs that these are the problems they create.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3913868&forum_id=2#35567946) |
Date: March 9th, 2018 6:36 PM Author: high-end soul-stirring goal in life kitchen
author, who has no data, cites other's "lack" of data as support for his victory.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3913868&forum_id=2#35572278)
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Date: March 10th, 2018 10:10 AM Author: hot razzle step-uncle's house
the black quality at Penn and their performance on the curve must be brutal.
every single one got rejected by HYSCN and there just aren't enough smart blacks to go around. white/asian nittany lions, otoh, will be pretty similar to HYSCN from the zoomed out view (mediocre 168 lsat poli sci shitheads vs. mediocre 172 poli sci shitheads)
consider:
"In 2002, for example, among the 4500 college seniors nationwide with the LSATs and grades to qualify without preferences for a top-ten law school (a GPA of 3.5 and LSAT scores of 165), there were only 29 blacks."
when you miss on the couple dozen obamas who can hang in ls (even if they got an admissions boost) you're quickly into AA admits being totally out of their depth at schools like Penn/duke/northwestern/Cornell.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3913868&forum_id=2#35575321) |
Date: March 10th, 2018 10:34 AM Author: Orange rebellious water buffalo
The blind grading point is incredibly stupid.
A professor receives the grades with a number, the professor submits grades for the exam to the registrar, once that happens the blind portion ends.
Some schools a professor can adjust grades for participation (usually just a 1/3 ie B+ to a B or A-) so they have to look at names. Even if they don’t adjust, professors can look at their grades once submitted for things like recommendations.
Texas released bar passage rates by race if you want some background info. It was posted here years ago. It was not good.
The entire AA system would collapse if there was any real transparency. One proxy for grades that is public is honors (I know some schools have AA or soft factors in that too, but most don’t). Someone with some spare time should go through a school or 14 and see how many AA applicants graduate with honors.
The way to do it, would be to have a hypothesis that AA admits do just as well once admitted and then be shocked at the results and demand more remedial classes or grade inflation to help them.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3913868&forum_id=2#35575396) |
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Date: March 10th, 2018 10:54 AM Author: Emerald underhanded stage
the drop off hits really high. Harvard gets 85% of the top black applicants, Yale about 15%.
most years, there are none left for Stanford.
by the time you get down to the Happy Valley Law School in Pennsylvania, there's not even crumbs.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3913868&forum_id=2#35575520) |
Date: March 10th, 2018 10:57 AM Author: Emerald underhanded stage
lol he added an UPDATE
"[UPDATE: Someone just pointed out to me a third option — if she grades blind and then seeks out grade information after the fact, then she’s admitting that she goes back and tries to figure out how black students specifically did in her course. That’s also disturbing.]"
how can you need that pointed out to you? isn't it obvious as fuck especially for a journalist who writes about this topic all the time?
and once again you have shitlibs saying it's "disturbing" to want to know how black students are faring. that's an admission that shitlibs know what's going on.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3913868&forum_id=2#35575533) |
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