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Brian Leiter on "the half educated tech elite"
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:33 AM Author: Irradiated pistol On the "half-educated tech elite"
Now mathematics, engineering and computer science are wonderful disciplines – intellectually demanding and fulfilling. And they are economically vital for any advanced society. But mastering them teaches students very little about society or history – or indeed about human nature. As a consequence, the new masters of our universe are people who are essentially only half-educated. They have had no exposure to the humanities or the social sciences, the academic disciplines that aim to provide some understanding of how society works, of history and of the roles that beliefs, philosophies, laws, norms, religion and customs play in the evolution of human culture.
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:35 AM Author: multi-colored house-broken business firm spin, ratfucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35592647) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:44 AM Author: chocolate mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35592698) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:48 AM Author: Well-lubricated Psychic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35592721) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 11:18 PM Author: Dashing emerald immigrant Eh I kind of agree with him, but reach a different conclusion. Remember: google employs yellow-scaled, wingless dragon kin. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35658333) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:37 AM Author: mint stead goyim this would carry more weight if most people educated in the humanities and social sciences knew anything about society or history – or indeed about human nature. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35592658) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 9:12 AM Author: Brindle big rigor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35651442) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 9:14 AM Author: flatulent primrose goal in life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35651459) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 9:53 AM Author: glittery frum box office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35651627) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 12:11 PM Author: histrionic knife (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35652477) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 12:12 PM Author: motley lay kitty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35652484) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 12:16 PM Author: shaky out-of-control roommate property so cr. shitlibs led demonstrations at Stanford where they actually chanted "hey hey, ho ho, western civ has got to go!" think about chanting that at a university of all places. anyway, they are getting their wish. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35652517) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 12:28 PM Author: Disrespectful Heaven my comment no longer makes sense considering OP is fake news (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35652604) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 12:29 PM Author: mewling den keepsake machete (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35652608) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 12:29 PM Author: passionate jet-lagged address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35652614) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 11:15 PM Author: Gaped lascivious national absolutely devastating (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35658320) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 11:17 PM Author: Spruce balding shitlib reading party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35658329) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 11:18 PM Author: Bateful pontificating hell windowlicker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35658335) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:39 AM Author: Domesticated pit hmm this dude is a giant faggit but he makes sense here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35592674) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:40 AM Author: Irradiated pistol do you have a link to that other quote by him from a while ago about how its a "scandal" that people are allowed to study things like engineering and business at america's top universities? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35592681) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 12:12 PM Author: motley lay kitty it is, those are professions, not SCHOLARSHIP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35652489) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:40 AM Author: Excitant bistre theatre alpha this is not by leiter
he's not wrong but this could have been written by a high school student |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:42 AM Author: Irradiated pistol its from an opinion piece by john naughton in the guardian, but leiter quotes it in his blog and it makes for better xo content to present it as leiter's view (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35592688) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 12:29 PM Author: Disrespectful Heaven well that's fake news and you just lost some credibility. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35652607) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:41 AM Author: mustard nursing home This guy is fat as fuck and has brown teeth. What the fuck does he know about anything that’s worth knowing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35592684) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:43 AM Author: crystalline mood mother Engineering shit seems so fuckin complicated that by my reckoning these nerds could absorb the received wisdom of a poli sci shithead in like an afternoon. They teach themselves entire programming languages for no reason rather quickly like it's nbd and make really complicated message board posts that make like no sense. On jdu, the best political debaters are Engineers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35592690) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:44 AM Author: Buck-toothed thriller gay wizard karate take this stem circle jerk to reddit you neckbeard queer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35592697) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 9:17 AM Author: electric charcoal market quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35651475) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 12:15 PM Author: Soul-stirring Navy Toaster Headpube (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35652512) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 11:18 PM Author: Slate dilemma regret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35658334) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 9:12 AM Author: Rough-skinned Spot Circlehead Well if the debates are between Cooley grads who can’t manage to get a job paying more than 45k and stem bros, this is hardly surprising (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35651444) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:44 AM Author: Arrogant Orchid Institution Organic Girlfriend utterly retarded. people who are great leaders and change history do so by a combination of accident, drive, personality, leadership and vision all of which has zero correlation to education be it STEM or humanities
the fatal flaw is not that he thinks humanities is needed but that he thinks that education of any type matters to what makes great leaders
even in tech industry education is practically irrelevant - steve jobs, bill gates, zuckerberg say hi |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:45 AM Author: multi-colored house-broken business firm spin, ratfucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35592702) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 9:06 AM Author: Charismatic Yellow Tattoo I don't know how youre defining mathmo buy this is probably false. Have you ever interacted with a math phd or professor irl? It borders on the obscene. They're all like this:
https://youtu.be/gJ1pYz1k0qM |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:46 AM Author: mildly autistic church David Gelernter makes this point often but better (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35592710) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:47 AM Author: supple tripping field idiot he's not wrong but his point and his prose are so banal that he almost fails to say anything at all
also the notion that mark zuckerberg would have made a "less socially-destructive facebook" had he only received a little more training in kant is comical |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 9:07 AM Author: Heady bat-shit-crazy bbw juggernaut (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35651422) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 9:21 AM Author: Soggy awkward candlestick maker Cr. Probably an expression of the liberal aspiration that college humanities can/should replace religion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35651498) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 9:02 AM Author: Onyx vigorous gunner In all seriousness, high school social studies is all anyone needs if they pay attention and have competent non-shitlib teachers
Anyone bright enough to get a stem degree who reads 4 decent non-fiction books every year through adulthood is going to be much wiser that the average BA-holder |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 9:07 AM Author: Glassy Talented Parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35651424) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 9:13 AM Author: titillating trust fund Most CS programs require Philo and humanties electives. He has a point in that a lot of tech dudes have delusions about human nature. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35651450) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 9:17 AM Author: disgusting brilliant native hairy legs If people just studied Nietzsche they'd appreciate the role of religion in an orderly society! (Leiter) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35651476) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 11:14 PM Author: Lavender diverse private investor dingle berry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35658316) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 9:17 AM Author: transparent trailer park average Silicon Valley programmer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJZU-48dR9Q |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 9:28 AM Author: wonderful cuckoldry this would carry more weight except for the poop thing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35651522) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 9:29 AM Author: mauve judgmental set halford The notion that it's the STEMbros who are "half"-educated is, of course, ludicrous. What are the odds that Lieter (or the guy who came up with this bit of whimsy) can even do something as simple as a do-while loop? Even if we disregard all the shitlibbery and flame that defines the modern academy, there's simply too much knowledge in the world now for one person to know even close to "everything." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35651527) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 9:37 AM Author: laughsome genital piercing Tech people seem to have a very poor understanding of human nature. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35651561) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 9:50 AM Author: spectacular crackhouse turdskin Lol at you fags circling the wagons around STEM degrees which you never got.
The point is SV tech elites have enormous societal influence through social media platforms and the like. The problem is they are half-breed nerds with no meaningful perspective on life outside of their shitlib safeplace bubble in Mountain View.
This is how places like Google develop into breeding grounds for open hostility and discrimination towards white males.
See also Facebook handing over the keys to their platform because Obama was "on their side."
I don't want a fucking math major running my society. We need to get back to the days of well-rounded STATESMEN making wise decisions for the greater good. |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 9:55 AM Author: mauve judgmental set halford You may have accurately diagnosed a problem, but "more humanities courses" is absolutely the wrong prescription. Are you seriously suggesting that more grievance studies courses will make STEM fags less shitlib? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35651637) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 12:14 PM Author: disgusting brilliant native hairy legs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35652509) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 12:25 PM Author: cerebral salmon main people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35652584) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 11:25 PM Author: chocolate mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35658384) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 12:31 PM Author: Charismatic Yellow Tattoo dat noblesse oblige (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35652627) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 9:51 AM Author: Swollen arousing ape I'm sure Musk and Malk and all those dorks took plenty of lib arts courses in college. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35651618) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 9:52 AM Author: stirring fishy hunting ground abode STEM isn't SCHOLARSHIP
We all know this is true |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 12:15 PM Author: Adventurous Antidepressant Drug Temple What are the practical consequences of the phenomenon Leiter is criticizing? Can you point to any concrete events that would have happened differently if tech people read more ARTS AND HUMANITIES OOOOOOHHHH IT'S SO PROFOUND AND BEAUTIFUL AND MAKES YOU MORE HUMAN IT'S SO DEEEP I'M DEEEEEEEEEEP WE'RE HUMANS NOT ROBOTS BEAUTY ART MAGIC WONDER SO DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35652511) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 12:32 PM Author: laughsome genital piercing What about how Facebook autistically suggests you friend everyone with whom you come into contact? Patients of some therapist, whose identities were supposed to be confidential, were shown each others' profiles and told to friend each other by the website. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35652633) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 12:16 PM Author: marvelous self-centered coldplay fan chapel Who cares. The aristocracy is long dead. We're just a society of worker bees. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35652516) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 11:21 PM Author: Aphrodisiac hateful place of business stage Except for ARE billionaire overlords.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35658358) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 11:15 PM Author: Demanding really tough guy meetinghouse the PRANCING SCHOLAR demands that tech reckon with its lack of SCHOLARLY SWEETS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35658322) |
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Date: March 21st, 2018 11:27 PM Author: ebony legend jew i would be 100% on board with this if i didn't already know that when humanities people complain about tech people being ignorant they mean "not sufficiently amenable to SJW bullshit" more than half the time. i would like to some more genuine appreciation for the humanities though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917059&forum_id=2#35658395) |