Anti-Semitism, I think, has mainly been a reaction to Jews' refusal to conform
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:27 PM Author: Razzle bat shit crazy electric furnace
Morris Cohen — a Jewish American, "Thanks to Cohen, designers of the Soviet atomic bomb got piles of technical documentation straight from the secret laboratory in Los Alamos," the newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda said. Morris and his wife, Lona, served eight years in prison, less than half of their sentences before being released in a prisoner swap with the Soviet Union. He died without revealing the name of the American scientist who helped pass vital information about the United States atomic bomb project.[13]
Klaus Fuchs — the German-born, Jewish British theoretical physicist who worked with the British delegation at Los Alamos during the Manhattan Project. After Fuchs' confession, there was a trial that lasted less than 90 minutes, Lord Goddard sentenced him to fourteen years' imprisonment, the maximum for violating the Official Secrets Act. He escaped the charge of espionage because of the lack of independent evidence and because, at the time of his activities, the Soviet Union was not an enemy of Great Britain.[14] In December 1950 he was stripped of his British citizenship. He was released on June 23, 1959, after serving nine years and four months of his sentence at Wakefield prison. He was allowed to emigrate to Dresden, then in the German Democratic Republic.[15][16]
Harry Gold — a Jewish American, confessed to acting as a courier for Greenglass and Fuchs. He was sentenced in 1951 to thirty years imprisonment. He was paroled in May 1966, after serving just over half of his sentence.[17]
David Greenglass — a Jewish American machinist at Los Alamos during the Manhattan Project. Greenglass confessed that he gave crude schematics of lab experiments to the Russians during World War II. Some aspects of his testimony against his sister and brother-in-law (the Rosenbergs, see below) are now thought to have been fabricated in an effort to keep his own wife, Ruth, from prosecution. Greenglass was sentenced to 15 years in prison, served 10 years, and later reunited with his wife.[18]
Theodore Hall — a Jewish American, the youngest physicist at Los Alamos who gave a detailed description of the Fat Man plutonium bomb, and of several processes for purifying plutonium, to Soviet intelligence. His identity as a spy was not revealed until very late in the 20th century. He was never tried for his espionage work, though he admitted to it in later years to reporters and to his family.[19]
George Koval — the Jewish, American-born son of a Belorussian emigrant family that returned to the Soviet Union where he was inducted into the Red Army and recruited into the Main Intelligence Directorate, GRU. He infiltrated the United States Army and became a radiation health officer in the Special Engineer Detachment. Acting under the code name Delmar he obtained information from Oak Ridge National Laboratory and the Dayton Project about the Urchin detonator used on the Fat Man plutonium bomb. His work was not known to the west until he was posthumously recognized as a hero of the Russian Federation by Vladimir Putin in 2007.
Irving Lerner — a Jewish American film director, he was caught photographing the cyclotron at the University of California, Berkeley in 1944.[20] After the war he was blacklisted.
Alan Nunn May — a British citizen, he was one of the first Soviet spies uncovered during the Cold War. He worked on the Manhattan Project and was betrayed by a Soviet defector in Canada. He was uncovered in 1946 and it led the United States to restrict the sharing of atomic secrets with Britain. On May 1, 1946, he was sentenced to ten years hard labour. He was released in 1952, after serving six and a half years.[21]
Julius and Ethel Rosenberg — Jewish Americans who were involved in coordinating and recruiting an espionage network that included Ethel's brother, David Greenglass. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were tried for conspiracy to commit espionage, since the prosecution seemed to feel that there was not enough evidence to convict on espionage. Treason charges were not applicable, since the United States and the Soviet Union were allies at the time. The Rosenbergs denied all the charges but were convicted in a trial in which the prosecutor Roy Cohn said he was in daily secret contact with the judge, Irving Kaufman. Despite an international movement demanding clemency, and appeals to President Dwight D. Eisenhower by leading European intellectuals and the Pope, the Rosenbergs were executed at the height of the Korean War. President Eisenhower wrote to his son, serving in Korea, that if he spared Ethel (presumably for the sake of her children), then the Soviets would simply recruit their spies from among women.[22][23][24]
Saville Sax — a Jewish American, acted as the courier for Klaus Fuchs and Theodore Hall.[19]
Morton Sobell — the Jewish American engineer tried and convicted along with the Rosenbergs who was sentenced to 30 years imprisonment, but released in 1969, after serving 17 years and 9 months.[25] After proclaiming his innocence for over half a century, Sobell admitted spying for the Soviets, and implicated Julius Rosenberg, in an interview with The New York Times published on September 11, 2008.[26]
Melita Norwood -- A Jewish, British Communist, an active Russian spy from at least 1938 and never detected. Employed as a secretary in the British Non-Ferrous Metals Research Association since 1932, she was linked to the Woolwich Arsenal spy ring of 1938 and in wartime was seconded to "Tube Alloys", the secret British nuclear research project, thus later considered "the most important female agent ever recruited by the USSR". She was first suspected as a security risk in 1965 but never prosecuted. Her spying career was revealed by Vasili Mitrokhin in 1999 when she was still alive but long retired.
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:31 PM Author: green gaming laptop
Again, these are your examples? 13 individuals who did bad things?
What about all the non-Jews who, in vast greater numbers, have done terrible things? For example like, Adolf Hitler, or Stalin or Mao, who murdered tens of millions.
By that logic should we then not trust Germans, Russians or Chinese people?
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Date: March 13th, 2018 8:10 PM Author: Amethyst self-centered center
Take note of the absolutely Talmudic logic going on here^.
We have 2,000+ years of history of Jews being the absolute worst group of people on the planet. But this jew would say, "2,000 years? That's it? The Earth has been around for 1.8 billion years, but for those 2,000 years you're going to condemn us? This is your basis for Anti-Semitism?"
(noticed this jew capitalized "Anti-Semitism" is what motivates him)
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:42 PM Author: cerebral site
It's so much more than refusal to conform, it also includes at least the following:
Willingness to harm the larger society if that harm is perceived to benefit Jews, e.g., Jews have heavily promoted multiculturalism, homosexuality, refugee invasions, and wars that only benefit Israel.
Unethical and dishonest business practices, e.g. Bernie Madoff and Kars 4 Kids.
A tribal clannishness where Jews with hiring authority give preference to fellow Jews or Jewish businessmen try to keep all commerce among themselves.
A general arrogance and abrasiveness, often combined with a sense that the rules do not apply to them.
A petty vindictiveness, not letting go of a small grievance when it would make sense to do so.
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Date: March 13th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: green gaming laptop
Jews pre-dated the earliest Christians by over 1,000 years.
The early Christians were a Jewish sect.
Jews always refused to conform to pagan authorities, and then Christian authorities, to submit to their beliefs. This results in varying levels of persecution over the ages, from low level like taxation or segregation to certain areas of a town, to outright attack and slaughter. They were libeled as christ killers, rumors like "blood libel" spread, and Jews became associated in the Christian mind of being the opposite of "all that is good", aka the Devil. Who else would kill "god" aka Jesus?
Additionally, the fact that Christians were forbid from lending money at interest and this was one of the only lucrative job opportunities available to jews in ancient times, did not help their image as they became seen as greedy blood suckers in addition to the murderers of god.
So, long story short, I do not think if Jews suddenly decided to use horse and buggies and build their own homes and farm, it would change the mulit-thousands year old delusions people have about jews. hth.
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Date: March 13th, 2018 3:19 PM Author: pungent aphrodisiac hunting ground plaza
"lol you seriously think people would hate Jews if they just kept to themselves and churned butter out in the sticks somewhere?"
To be fair, in the Russian Empire they did exactly that and people couldn't stand them. They were still a large minority population that refused to assimilate that wasn't trusted by most of society and didn't have the same values. Figuring out how to "deal with them" has occupied the attention of numerous Tsars, with Catherine the Great getting sick of it and just saying "they have to assimilate or be driven out."
Also, I sense you've never walked through a religious Jewish neighborhood. If you do it, you'll see why if that was a large portion of your country you would get annoyed really fast.
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Date: March 13th, 2018 3:25 PM Author: Lascivious coral locus nibblets
Lol that's not what I'm saying, dumbass
You:
"So, long story short, I do not think if Jews suddenly decided to use horse and buggies and build their own homes and farm, it would change the mulit-thousands year old delusions people have about jews. hth."
If Jews retreated to the woods and stopped meddling with society then they would absolutely be left alone. Newsflash, idiot: opinions regarding Jews are overwhelmingly positive in the the most Christian parts of the country where virtually no Jews live. The negative opinions come from interacting with Jews and observing their impact on society. People don't hate them because they killed Jesus breh
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Date: March 13th, 2018 3:14 PM Author: pungent aphrodisiac hunting ground plaza
I think that is mostly true of most persecutions but actually less true of the holocaust. Most persecutions took the form of "convert or we'll throw you out, hang you, etc." The holocaust didn't give a rat's ass if anyone converted, nor did they care the extent to which someone who was say, 1/4 Jewish, conformed to Christian precepts (the guy could be Christian and have no clue he was part Jewish and it wouldn't save him). I will also note that the the Holocaust is the only real persecution where Europeans/Christians just felt bad about. The persecutions of say, Catherine the Great don't get any apologies/reparations/etc. The response you'd get is "well, you should have converted/assimilated."
"Jews aren't butter churning farmers, never have been."
Actually, in Shtetls in the Russian empire they absolutely were. They mostly did shit menial labor. It is just that those people all died.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917342&forum_id=2#35596457)
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:54 PM Author: green gaming laptop
I love getting the anti-Semites all riled up
*slathers cream cheese on bagel*
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Date: March 13th, 2018 2:02 PM Author: olive candlestick maker
High IQ people are going to be disproportionately represented in the types of bad actions that only high IQ people are capable of doing (white collar crime).
As far as the lack of nationalism, I agree that that's a problem. I think Jews should be very patriotic to the United States because it's been a very good country for us. We've had more opportunity here than anywhere else in the world ever. There's a concern amongst Jews that even if they were to act extremely nationalistic it won't change the fact that some want us wiped off the map.
There's also the flip side that Jews pay a huge percentage of US taxes and contribute tremendously to our generally fairly well performing financial, legal, and medical institutions (at least when compared to the EU and South America). A lot of stereotypical Jewish traits are laudable, and if adopted by anyone, Jewish or otherwise, they would benefit. A lot of Jewish success does not come at the cost of other people, in fact a lot of Jewish people use their success to "pay it forward" via charity and mitzvah.
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Date: March 13th, 2018 2:11 PM Author: green gaming laptop
Francis was born on April 1, 1973 in Atlanta, Georgia to Raymond Francis, and Maria Francis, who was from Austria.[1][4] According to Francis, when he was seven years old, the family moved to Newport Beach, California, where he attended Our Lady Queen of Angels Catholic Elementary School, and then a series of boarding schools.[5] He then lived in Laguna Beach and attended Laguna Beach High School.[5] His first job was at a computer and video store.[5]
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Date: March 13th, 2018 2:26 PM Author: Lascivious coral locus nibblets
they're not just disproportionate represented among white collar criminals though
They're marxists, feminists, atheists, third world immigrant advocates, gay/tranny right advocates, virtually all trash culture, neoconservatives, the militant anti-white movement, pornography
probably 9 out of 10 of the most damaging elements in US society are created and dominated by them but almost none of the positive. it's amazing
their opposition to nationalism alone is HUGE if you think it's the only thing that can save the US. they have used their power in every sphere of the country to prevent any semblance of nationalism to gain a foothold and the consequences have been devastating.
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Date: March 13th, 2018 2:16 PM Author: pungent aphrodisiac hunting ground plaza
OP is right, of course. A lot of the additions are actually consequences of the OP, rather than refuting the OP. For example, if you have a group that is intentionally separate from the rest of society, then it is almost certain that the group is going to have a different culture and values. That is going to rub a lot of people the wrong way, particularly if they find the culture and values offensive and if the "other" group strongly advocates for their own values to become policy and law.
To put it another way, any "native" group when faced with new people that try to make them change react extremely negatively. Take when Muslims show up in Europe and try to tell Europeans to stop selling alcohol, to gender segregate, etc. Everyone always flips out. In the US, when we see pushes for more Spanish language and less English people go nuts. This is just an example of that.
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Date: March 13th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: supple whorehouse dingle berry
Whenever a small minority amasses a disproportional amount of wealth, they are going to be resented by the majority, especially if that majority is struggling economically.
If the small minority was smart, they would try to spread the wealth around to uplift the larger majority.
But if that small minority just decides to keep amassing and concentrating wealth, while the large majority is suffering, there's gonna be an uprising. Even if the majority are the rightful losers in the game of capitalism, they're still pissed, and they have the numbers.
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Date: March 13th, 2018 3:09 PM Author: pungent aphrodisiac hunting ground plaza
"If the small minority was smart, they would try to spread the wealth around to uplift the larger majority."
I think Jews would argue "oh, but we are! Look, we're all shitlibs and shitlib tax policy does this!"
See the problem here? At the end of the day, you have a group of "others" that have a different culture and values, are super visible and very politically active. I'm not sure sending a check to the Red Cross or whatever is going to fix anything because the issue is more fundamental.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917342&forum_id=2#35596413) |
Date: March 13th, 2018 2:59 PM Author: Histrionic Ultramarine Field Travel Guidebook
Unrelated to this antisemitic thread, I find DBG's lack of a moral compass troubling. He rips on black people all of the time for anti-social behavior, yet he exhibits the same incapacity for self reflection and adherence to the societal contract as the stereotypical "urban" thug he belittles.
Basically he too is always trying to pull a fast one on anyone and everyone to benefit himself, without any consideration for its impact on other people. The difference is that he is capable of impulse control and future time orientation. Which makes it worse.
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Date: March 14th, 2018 11:36 AM Author: Lascivious coral locus nibblets
"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts."- Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b
"The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honor the the dog more than the non-Jew."- Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30
"Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human form. It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therefore he will be served by animals in human form." - Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855
"A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal."- Coschen hamischpat 405
"The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs."- Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b
"Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human."- Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b
"If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog."- Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b
"If a Jew has a non-Jewish servant or maid who dies, one should not express sympathy to the Jew. You should tell the Jew: "God will replace 'your loss', just as if one of his oxen or asses had died"."- Jore dea 377, 1
"Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like intercourse between animals."- Talmud Sanhedrin 74b
"It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile."- Sepher ikkarim III c 25
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"It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah."- Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5
"A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands."- Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b
"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God."- Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772
I could go on
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Date: March 14th, 2018 12:54 PM Author: pungent aphrodisiac hunting ground plaza
These people are all famous exactly because they came from a group, realized it largely sucked, then led their people to a much better path forward and created something fundamentally different (from a monarchy to a democracy for my prior examples).
Saying "well, Jesus was just a Jewish dude that was just arguing about the Talmud the way DBG does" is disingenuous bullshit. The first thing he did was throw out the entire approach to the Jewish texts, completely modifying the covenant, etc. Everything that was fundamental to Judaism was entirely thrown out.
Which, of course, is exactly why Jesus was crucified.
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Date: March 14th, 2018 2:17 PM Author: pungent aphrodisiac hunting ground plaza
"Why does being a Christian presuppose you would know more about Christian theology necessarily than someone who is not?"
Probably because I've had years of Christian theological education. And someone like say, Phineasgage has had years of Talmudic education. I would assume he could kill me in any debate on Jewish religion and that I would win on any debate on Christian theology. Even if you have someone who didn't have years of formal religious education, I assume their parents at least sent them to Sunday school for the religion they grew up in for your religion, but not for others.
Perfect example: you. You don't understand even the basics of Christianity. Like seriously, you don't know what the religion is or where it came from or what it is based on. You don't know what is important and what isn't.
As to my understanding of Jewish theology, Phineasgage and others have agreed that I'm on point. And you haven't actually provided evidence that I'm wrong. As to my understanding of Christian theology, like I said, I've had formal schooling on this topic.
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Date: March 14th, 2018 2:09 PM Author: pungent aphrodisiac hunting ground plaza
"Yeah except none of it was, and half the "christian" bible is the jewish bible."
Except the role of that text is entirely different. You're trying to imply "half of the Christian religion comes from Judiasm" which is just wrong. In reality, it is a fundamentally different religion that isn't oriented towards following rules, a gift of land from God, being "the chosen people", etc. Judaism is an inherently middle-eastern religion. Christianity is an inherently European religion, but more on that later.
"Additionally, christian religion's track record is utter bull shit. They've killed millions of people in the name of their "religion" and abused hundreds of thousands of children across the world (catholic pedophilia)"
Is this really the path you want to go down? The OT has actual genocide baked into the text (even slaughtering their animals!). In reality, Judaism doesn't have a better track record, they just were always terribly weak and constantly conquered, destined to live as tiny minorities in other countries. Even there, I really could show you examples of individuals involved in the Red Terror during the Russian Civil War where some individuals took particular pleasure in murdering Russian Christians. If you want to start listing criminals, including with respect to sexual abuse, Jews aren't going to come out looking great.
By the way, the world has many Christian countries and one Jewish country. In the one Jewish country there are a bunch of rules that explicitly favor Jews over everyone else including Christians. Oddly, this is considered totally unacceptable in every single Christian country I can think of. Even a Christian conservative country like Russia doesn't have a rule stating that the government can only sell land to a Christian, for example. Israel has exactly that law. In Israel, they wouldn't even marry a Jew and a Christian.
"nothing about Christianity is "improved" upon Judaism, it is an equally retarded"
Oh man, I don't even know where to begin with this, so I'll start with this: I understand why so many Jews reject religion as having nothing to offer them. Truly, the Jewish religion is 100% pointless. A series of rules and customs that exist only to separate, along with a horrible culture based on victimhood that dares everyone to "take some bait." It doesn't invite others to join, which isn't surprising since it has nothing to offer. Christianity is the polar opposite of that. It offers hope and salvation and welcomes everyone. It acknowledges the rules of the Jews and explicitly casts them away. Even if you're not a religious person, Christianity has a social function that is a positive. As a result, Western Civ is built on Christian nations, which in turn run on Christian philosophy.
"concept of a tri-partite "god" with an emissary on "earth", i.e the Pope if your Catholic"
I don't have the patience to explain these concepts to you, but suffice to say that for Christians totally buying into this is entirely optional. Whereas believing that Jews are God's "chosen people" is actually more preposterous than either, yet is embraced as a given.
"Outside of Catholicism it gets even weirder, i.e Mormons, etc."
Serious q - what sort of a place do you live where "outside of Catholicism" goes to Mormons instead of say, Protestants, Eastern Orthodoxy, etc.? I get it, you don't understand a single thing about Christinity, but then why did you think it would be a good idea to talk about it?
"The only foundational concepts of Christianity were the moral ideas taken from Judaism/jewish philosophy."
That's exactly wrong. The foundational concepts of Christianity are based on European paganism and Greco-Roman philosophy, which was further developed by Christian philsophers such as Augustine and Aquinas. Judaism is purely "historical" and the one concept that we can say is "borrowed" is a singular diety instead of multiple Gods. And I note that Judaism didn't even start with that, nor is it the only religion with a singular diety.
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Date: April 10th, 2018 8:21 PM Author: green gaming laptop
"Except the role of that text is entirely different. You're trying to imply "half of the Christian religion comes from Judiasm" which is just wrong. In reality, it is a fundamentally different religion that isn't oriented towards following rules, a gift of land from God, being "the chosen people", etc. Judaism is an inherently middle-eastern religion. Christianity is an inherently European religion, but more on that later."
-This is not correct and you have misread me. What I am pointing out is that Christianity is a monotheistic (from Judaism), Abrahamic (from Judaism) faith. Christianity emerged directly out of Judaism as a sect in Judea during the time of the second Jewish temple. It spread from there to other areas of the Roman Empire before being adopted as the official state religion. I do not see what you mean by middle Eastern vs Europe, although you could elucidate further, however the line of origin is clearly traceable through history. Christianity emerges directly from Judaism and brings with it some of its most foundational ideas. Now, as Christianity evolves and goes through innumerable transformations and schisms, Christianity of course differs very, very much from Judaism as they believe in totally different theological concepts, however you could say that as much about different Christian denominations as you could about Christianity vs Judaism. Either way it seems you misinterpreted my statement about the connection between the religions and these are basic historical facts.
"Is this really the path you want to go down? The OT has actual genocide baked into the text (even slaughtering their animals!)"
Stop: a genocide of animals? Are you retarded? Animal sacrifice is not "genocide". There cannot be a "genocide" of animals according to the definition of what genocide is. If animal slaughter is genocide, I guess there's a turkey holocaust before every Thanksgiving. Ancient texts, old or New testament, both have strange, untrue, mythological, occasionally horrible things baked into them. No religious text is inherently better or lacks these features. They're all equally ridiculous.
"In reality, Judaism doesn't have a better track record, they just were always terribly weak and constantly conquered, destined to live as tiny minorities in other countries. Even there, I really could show you examples of individuals involved in the Red Terror during the Russian Civil War where some individuals took particular pleasure in murdering Russian Christians."
Absolutely pathetic. Jews, concentrated in Judea, revolted against the Romans and as a result of the wars and revolts, the Romans eventually crushed the Jewish rebellion, destroyed the temple, depopulated Judea and imported the Jewish population as slaves into Rome. The triumphal arch commemorating the defeat of the Jews stands near the Colosseum to this day. This marked the beginning of diasporic Judaism, or Rabbinical Judaism in which Jews were minorities in Roman provinces and in the future, European countries. Since that time, examples of Christian anti-Semitism have been almost innumerable. Your whole argument is pointless - because Jews were minorities they deserved this treatment or were destined for it? Your stupidity is appalling. I'll include a simple pull from Wikipedia on the history of Christian anti-Semitism: Christian religious antisemitism is often expressed as anti-Judaism, i.e., it is argued that the antipathy is to the practices of Judaism. As such, it is argued, antisemitism would cease if Jews stopped practicing or changed their public faith, especially by conversion to Christianity, the official or right religion. However, there have been times when converts were also discriminated against, as in the case of liturgical exclusion of Jewish converts in the case of Christianized Marranos or Iberian Jews in the late 15th century and 16th century accused of secretly practising Judaism or Jewish customs.[3]
New Testament and antisemitism[edit]
Main article: Antisemitism in the New Testament
Frederick Schweitzer and Marvin Perry write that the authors of the gospel accounts sought to place responsibility for the Crucifixion of Jesus and his death on Jews, rather than the Roman emperor or Pontius Pilate.[4] As a result, Christians for centuries viewed Jews as "the Christ Killers".[5] The destruction of the Second Temple was seen as judgment from God to the Jews for that death,[6] and Jews were seen as "a people condemned forever to suffer exile and degradation".[5] According to historian Edward H. Flannery, the Gospel of John in particular contains many verses that refer to Jews in a pejorative manner.[7]
In 1 Thessalonians 2:14–16, Paul states that the Churches in Judea had been persecuted by the Jews who killed Jesus and that such people displease God, oppose all men, and had prevented Paul from speaking to the gentile nations concerning the New Testament message. Described by Hyam Maccoby as "the most explicit outburst against Jews in Paul's Epistles",[8] these verses have repeatedly been employed for antisemitic purposes. Maccoby views it as one of Paul's innovations responsible for creating Christian antisemitism, though he notes that some have argued these particular verses are later interpolations not written by Paul.[8] Craig Blomberg argues that viewing them as antisemitic is a mistake, but "understandable in light of [Paul's] harsh words". In his view, Paul is not condemning all Jews forever, but merely those he believed had specifically persecuted the prophets, Jesus, or the 1st-century church. Blomberg sees Paul's words here as no different in kind than the harsh words the prophets of the Old Testament have for the Jews.[9]
The Codex Sinaiticus contains two extra books in the New Testament – the Shepherd of Hermas and the Epistle of Barnabas.[10] The latter emphasizes the claim that it was the Jews, not the Romans, who killed Jesus, and is full of antisemitism.[10] The Epistle of Barnabas was not accepted as part of the canon; Professor Bart Ehrman has stated "the suffering of Jews in the subsequent centuries would, if possible, have been even worse had the Epistle of Barnabas remained".[10]
Early Christianity[edit]
A number of early and influential Church works — such as the dialogues of Justin Martyr, the homilies of John Chrysostom, and the testimonies of church father Cyprian — are strongly anti-Jewish.
During a discussion on the celebration of Easter during the First Council of Nicaea in 325 CE, Roman emperor Constantine said,
...it appeared an unworthy thing that in the celebration of this most holy feast we should follow the practice of the Jews, who have impiously defiled their hands with enormous sin, and are, therefore, deservedly afflicted with blindness of soul. (...) Let us then have nothing in common with the detestable Jewish crowd; for we have received from our Saviour a different way.[11]
Prejudice against Jews in the Roman Empire was formalized in 438, when the Code of Theodosius II established Christianity as the only legal religion in the Roman Empire. The Justinian Code a century later stripped Jews of many of their rights, and Church councils throughout the 6th and 7th century, including the Council of Orleans, further enforced anti-Jewish provisions. These restrictions began as early as 305, when, in Elvira, (now Granada), a Spanish town in Andalucia, the first known laws of any church council against Jews appeared. Christian women were forbidden to marry Jews unless the Jew first converted to Catholicism. Jews were forbidden to extend hospitality to Catholics. Jews could not keep Catholic Christian concubines and were forbidden to bless the fields of Catholics. In 589, in Catholic Iberia, the Third Council of Toledo ordered that children born of marriage between Jews and Catholic be baptized by force. By the Twelfth Council of Toledo (681) a policy of forced conversion of all Jews was initiated (Liber Judicum, II.2 as given in Roth).[12] Thousands fled, and thousands of others converted to Roman Catholicism.
Medieval and Renaissance Europe[edit]
Main articles: Jews in the Middle Ages and Antisemitism in Europe (Middle Ages)
Antisemitism was widespread in Europe during the Middle Ages. In those times, a main cause of prejudice against Jews in Europe was the religious one. Although not part of Roman Catholic dogma, many Christians, including members of the clergy, held the Jewish people collectively responsible for the death of Jesus, a practice originated by Melito of Sardis.
Among socio-economic factors were restrictions by the authorities. Local rulers and church officials closed the doors for many professions to the Jews, pushing them into occupations considered socially inferior such as accounting, rent-collecting and moneylending, which was tolerated then as a "necessary evil".[13] During the Black Death, Jews were accused as being the cause, and were often killed.[14] There were expulsions of Jews from England, France, Germany, Portugal and Spain during the Middle Ages as a result of antisemitism.[15]
18th century Frankfurt Judensau
German for "Jews' sow", Judensau was the derogatory and dehumanizing imagery of Jews that appeared around the 13th century. Its popularity lasted for over 600 years and was revived by the Nazis. The Jews, typically portrayed in obscene contact with unclean animals such as pigs or owls or representing a devil, appeared on cathedral or church ceilings, pillars, utensils, etchings, etc. Often, the images combined several antisemitic motifs and included derisive prose or poetry.
"Dozens of Judensaus... intersect with the portrayal of the Jew as a Christ killer. Various illustrations of the murder of Simon of Trent blended images of Judensau, the devil, the murder of little Simon himself, and the Crucifixion. In the 17th-century engraving from Frankfurt...[16] a well-dressed, very contemporary-looking Jew has mounted the sow backward and holds her tail, while a second Jew sucks at her milk and a third eats her feces. The horned devil, himself wearing a Jewish badge, looks on and the butchered Simon, splayed as if on a cross, appears on a panel above."[17]
In Shakespeare's "Merchant of Venice", considered to be one of the greatest romantic comedies of all time, the villain Shylock was a Jewish moneylender. By the end of the play he is mocked on the streets after his daughter elopes with a Christian. Shylock, then, compulsorily converts to Christianity as a part of a deal gone wrong. This has raised profound implications regarding Shakespeare and antisemitism.[18]
During the Middle Ages, the story of Jephonias,[19] the Jew who tried to overturn Mary's funeral bier, changed from his converting to Christianity into his simply having his hands cut off by an angel.[20]
A 15th-century German woodcut showing an alleged host desecration.
1: the hosts are stolen
2: the hosts bleed when pierced by a Jew
3: the Jews are arrested
4: they are burned alive.
On many occasions, Jews were subjected to blood libels, false accusations of drinking the blood of Christian children in mockery of the Christian Eucharist. Jews were subject to a wide range of legal restrictions throughout the Middle Ages, some of which lasted until the end of the 19th century. Jews were excluded from many trades, the occupations varying with place and time, and determined by the influence of various non-Jewish competing interests. Often Jews were barred from all occupations but money-lending and peddling, with even these at times forbidden.
There is simply no precedent of Jews treating non-Jews or any other group the way the Christian culture has treated them and your measly example of some weird Russia shit, the veracity of which is questionable, not withstanding.
"f you want to start listing criminals, including with respect to sexual abuse, Jews aren't going to come out looking great."
Catholic Church pedophilia scandal. Breadth, scope and cover up. /argument.
"y the way, the world has many Christian countries and one Jewish country. In the one Jewish country there are a bunch of rules that explicitly favor Jews over everyone else including Christians. Oddly, this is considered totally unacceptable in every single Christian country I can think of. Even a Christian conservative country like Russia doesn't have a rule stating that the government can only sell land to a Christian, for example. Israel has exactly that law. In Israel, they wouldn't even marry a Jew and a Christian."
Israel is the only democratic country in the middle east. It has the gamut of Jews, from completely irreligious/secular, to ultra-orthodox haredim and Hasidim. It is home to Muslim, Ba'hai, Jain and Christian minorities. Nowhere else in the Middle East does this kind of religious plurality and tolerance exist. Israel is a bulwark of the west, both physically and ideologically against some of the most backward thinking, retrograde religious (mainly Islamic) fanatacists in the world. It is a highly developed economy, with a diverse workforce. It is the only middle eastern country approaching equality for women and protection for gays and sexual minorities. Israel is not perfect and I am totally open to criticism of Israeli policies. However as the only homeland in the world for Jewish people and as the national homeland of the Jewish people, as well the climate of hate Israel endures from many of its neighbors, it must adjust its policies in some cases accordingly. If Mexico was firing rockets across the border all the time into Laredo, what do you estimate the U.S. response would be?
"Oh man, I don't even know where to begin with this, so I'll start with this: I understand why so many Jews reject religion as having nothing to offer them. Truly, the Jewish religion is 100% pointless."
Lol. All religion. But then again, you're an idiot. You just called the origin religion of the religion you subscribe to, pointless.
"A series of rules and customs that exist only to separate, along with a horrible culture based on victimhood that dares everyone to "take some bait." It doesn't invite others to join, which isn't surprising since it has nothing to offer."
Jews do not believe in proselytizing. Again you offer no content or reasoning here other than opinion. I could just as well say the same thing about Christianity, a religion about a story of a made up resurrection of a messiah they claim will "return" one day. If he was/is the Messiah, why would he need to return? Christianity is as ludicrous, stupid and childish as any religion would seem to be, if not even more so.
"Christianity is the polar opposite of that. It offers hope and salvation and welcomes everyone. It acknowledges the rules of the Jews and explicitly casts them away."
It casts away old testament commandments. It offers "salvation" if you believe in Jesus, that a man is actually the son of god who was resurrected and will return one day. Question: if someone spends their life raping children but right before they die, says they love Jesus and begs for forgiveness, would they go to heaven while a non-Christian who lived a moral life would be condemned to hell?
"Even if you're not a religious person, Christianity has a social function that is a positive. As a result, Western Civ is built on Christian nations, which in turn run on Christian philosophy."
Western civ is run on Christianity because Western civ came out of the remnants of the Roman Empire which adopted Christianity as the official religion of Rome. All had to comply with this. Every social function you say has utility (charity, faith, community) has a corollary in Judaism. Again, you're appallingly dumb.
"I don't have the patience to explain these concepts to you, but suffice to say that for Christians totally buying into this is entirely optional. Whereas believing that Jews are God's "chosen people" is actually more preposterous than either, yet is embraced as a given."
LOL - it is not optional. Asserting that saying Jews are the "chosen people" (meaning, the people chosen for the original convenant with god) takes more of a leap of faith than believing a village ranter who rose from the dead is savior of humanity, we can agree to disagree. By the way, I'm not saying both ideas aren't dumb - they both are, like most religious content. But belief in that story about Jesus is not optional.
"Serious q - what sort of a place do you live where "outside of Catholicism" goes to Mormons instead of say, Protestants, Eastern Orthodoxy, etc.? I get it, you don't understand a single thing about Christinity, but then why did you think it would be a good idea to talk about it?"
It seems like you don't understand much about Christianity or Judaism, or religion generally.
"That's exactly wrong. The foundational concepts of Christianity are based on European paganism and Greco-Roman philosophy, which was further developed by Christian philsophers such as Augustine and Aquinas. Judaism is purely "historical" and the one concept that we can say is "borrowed" is a singular diety instead of multiple Gods. And I note that Judaism didn't even start with that, nor is it the only religion with a singular diety."
You're insanely off base. I've delineated the history of the connection between the religions earlier. Augustine and Aquinas were both CHRISTIAN philosophers, and come after the connection I discussed. Any Christian philosopher can impact Christian discourse - it's totally irrelevant to the topic at hand. The fact that you would say Christian philosophy has more to do with the pagan culture it completely disavowed and associated with evil than with its mother religion is an unjustifiable level of retardation on your part.
Consider never poasting again, you sad, confused, misinformed incel. Your moniker is forever associated in my mind with the worst aspects of this place.
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Date: April 11th, 2018 10:50 AM Author: pungent aphrodisiac hunting ground plaza
I'm going to try to be brief here because my time is limited and this is fairly pointless.
"What I am pointing out is that Christianity is a monotheistic (from Judaism)"
While Judaism was one of the earliest monotheistic religions, it wasn't truly even the source of monotheism. ("Quasi-monotheistic claims of the existence of a universal deity date to the Late Bronze Age, with Akhenaten's Great Hymn to the Aten. A possible inclination towards monotheism emerged during the Vedic period[14] in Iron-Age South Asia.", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotheism).
"Christianity emerged directly out of Judaism as a sect in Judea during the time of the second Jewish temple. It spread from there to other areas of the Roman Empire before being adopted as the official state religion"
At which point it changed to the religion we know today.
"Christianity emerges directly from Judaism and brings with it some of its most foundational ideas. Now, as Christianity evolves and goes through innumerable transformations and schisms, Christianity of course differs very, very much from Judaism as they believe in totally different theological concepts, however you could say that as much about different Christian denominations as you could about Christianity vs Judaism"
Ok, so then you agree that as Christianity became an actual religion that nailed down doctrine and belief, that the doctrine and belief ultimately was totally different from Judaism. Then what are we arguing about? And no, Christian denominations do not remotely diverge as much as Judaism vs Christianity.
"Stop: a genocide of animals? Are you retarded?"
Ugh, I don't know what I'm arguing with you when you don't even know Judaism, let alone Christianity.
http://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/20-16.htm
The whole antisemitism sidetrack with pages and pages of cut and paste direct from a single article is so absurd it isn't worth responding to, other than to note that you're not really disputing that the Jews simply had much fewer numbers.
"There is simply no precedent of Jews treating non-Jews or any other group the way the Christian culture has treated them and your measly example of some weird Russia shit, the veracity of which is questionable, not withstanding."
What? The veracity isn't questionable at all.
"Jews do not believe in proselytizing. Again you offer no content or reasoning here other than opinion. "
Uh, Judaism is set up to try to make joining difficult. It goes beyond lack of active preaching.
"It casts away old testament commandments. It offers "salvation" if you believe in Jesus, that a man is actually the son of god who was resurrected and will return one day. Question: if someone spends their life raping children but right before they die, says they love Jesus and begs for forgiveness, would they go to heaven while a non-Christian who lived a moral life would be condemned to hell?"
This is complicated and depends on belief in concepts such as purgatory, etc. Short answer, if they genuinely repent then they will be forgiven.
"LOL - it is not optional. Asserting that saying Jews are the "chosen people" (meaning, the people chosen for the original convenant with god) takes more of a leap of faith than believing a village ranter who rose from the dead is savior of humanity, we can agree to disagree. By the way, I'm not saying both ideas aren't dumb - they both are, like most religious content. But belief in that story about Jesus is not optional"
Weren't you talking about shit like the trinity? I wasn't saying belief in the resurrection or belief that Jesus was the son of God who died for our sins was optional. But even if you're not a religious person generally, Christianity consists of a simple, nice tale of how God loves you and how you obtain forgiveness. Judaism consists of a bunch of stories about rules, rules and more rules and how the only thing that matters is following the rules for Jews (oh, and everyone else can die, thank).
"I've delineated the history of the connection between the religions earlier."
With a few high level concepts that exist in religions around the world. So what.
"Augustine and Aquinas were both CHRISTIAN philosophers, and come after the connection I discussed"
Except, you failed to understand that Christianity shortly after the death of Jesus was a very different religion than modern Christianity. This is where you failed entirely.
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Date: April 11th, 2018 10:14 AM Author: pungent aphrodisiac hunting ground plaza
Not really. Compare the religion as was presented in the Council of Jerusalem vs even the First Council of Nicaea. You'll note that it was basically a totally different religion by Nicaea.
"The foundational concepts of Christianity are based on European paganism and Greco-Roman philosophy????"
Yep. For Paganism, I'll just leave this here, even though this is actually critical of this fact: https://www.ucg.org/vertical-thought/paganism-in-christianity
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Date: March 17th, 2018 1:15 PM Author: Amethyst self-centered center
If you read the Bible, the Jews weren't chosen because they were special or better than everyone else; they were specifically chosen to serve as an example of WHAT NOT TO DO. The entire Old Testament consists of:
1) God lays down a simple rule that he expects the Jews to abide by.
2) The Jews flagrantly violate this rule from day one and act like entitled little shits.
3) God gets pissed and punishes them.
4) Jews cry 'woe is me', but if you notice, none of them ever actually APOLOGIZE for their disobedience, they just whine about how much it sucks.
5) God relents, after making the Jews promise not to do it again.
6) Rinse and repeat for just about EVERY CHAPTER OF EVERY BOOK OF THE OLD TESTAMENT.
Shit, they witnessed the plagues of Egypt, were led by a pillar of fire at night and a pillar of smoke by day, saw the Red Sea part so they could walk across on dry land, etc. and then Moses says he's going to be gone a few days while God gives him some instructions. What's the first thing the Jews do? Make a golden cow to worship instead of the God who just did blatant miracles for them.
Their own holy book is nothing but stories about what evil, ungrateful little shits they are. Then Jesus and the New Testament come along, Jesus clarifies things for everyone, makes the religion all-inclusive, anybody can be saved now, and he specifically calls the Jews out on their bullshit and tells them exactly what he thinks of them. So they have him tortured to death, then spend the next 2,000 years constantly raging over his actions and conspiring against his followers.
Nobody is as petty and spiteful as a Jew, and they collect grudges the way other people collect stamps.
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Date: May 16th, 2018 11:59 AM Author: razzle-dazzle copper theater
Retarded take.
The OT stories you refer to are essentially an explanation for why bad shit happens if God exists. The writers took the position that it was because of religious transgressions. And developed these prophet characters to rail on the unholy.
Same thing could be written now about our world.
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