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Salonen Piano Concerto is ridic
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:04 AM Author: Dashing Infuriating Senate wtf
https://youtu.be/FKEz4UoxXgo?t=59s |
Date: March 15th, 2018 1:15 AM Author: submissive resort community account Wow I really envy classical musicians with this level of talent |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:17 AM Author: swashbuckling cerise mediation kitty how would you identify missed notes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35609007) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:18 AM Author: submissive resort community account I've never played an instrument I have no fucking idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35609012) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:19 AM Author: Dashing Infuriating Senate the composer uses actual scales and tonality (not exclusively traditional classical ones obviously) so anyone "familiar" with the language could tell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35609016) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:24 AM Author: swashbuckling cerise mediation kitty as far as i can tell the first few minutes are the guy doing only scales. which mode is it in? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35609046) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:27 AM Author: Dashing Infuriating Senate I don’t think being able to identify specific theoretical constructs is a precondition to enjoying a piece of music (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35609056) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:35 AM Author: swashbuckling cerise mediation kitty lol how can anyone be familiar with a language only the composer knows? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35609087) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:37 AM Author: Dashing Infuriating Senate be familiar with the composer and the piece. I'm really not. Another composer or someone who studied the piece probably would be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35609095) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:40 AM Author: swashbuckling cerise mediation kitty the power of art is in its ability to communicate. how much value is there in art that a small coterie is capable of understanding, and only after study? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35609105) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:41 AM Author: smoky odious sandwich property Plenty of value for those who are capable of understanding. How many people are capable of really understanding Faust? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35609112) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:43 AM Author: swashbuckling cerise mediation kitty faust is widely performed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35609119) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:48 AM Author: Dashing Infuriating Senate As are Messiaen's works. What percent of even music graduate degree holders do you think have a mastery of their language? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35609145) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:49 AM Author: swashbuckling cerise mediation kitty you don't need any musical training to enjoy oiseaux wtf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35609150) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:50 AM Author: Dashing Infuriating Senate I don't think you need any musical training to enjoy salonen either tbh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35609153) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:46 AM Author: Dashing Infuriating Senate Or even Wagner? What is "understanding"? It sounds like we're setting too high of a bar. You don't need a dissertation in a piece of music to enjoy it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35609139) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:45 AM Author: Dashing Infuriating Senate I agree that this is a problem. And its part of the reason classical music has become less and less popular over the years. You really need a considerable amount of education to even enjoy this, even more the understand and fully appreciate it.
But this is the issue of the art form, it's only going to become increasingly complex. Should we stop making art because it's too exclusive? People thought Beethovens Eroica Symphony was too taxing for "regular" audiences. Now that is pretty much laughable.
Having said all of this, I don't think this is a piece that you need to be able to identify every scale to enjoy. Yes it's modern and challenging, but I'd say its less challenging than the old Modernists (Schoenberg etc.). Even a prole can listen to a Mozart piece and get something out of it, even if he can't fully appreciate the extant of the artistry. |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:52 AM Author: swashbuckling cerise mediation kitty i'm not a prescriptivist, so i don't have much to say on what artists should do. but i think you hit it on the head with your last sentence. there's something in mozart for everyone. can't say the same of most new classical music. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35609164) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:59 AM Author: Dashing Infuriating Senate I think art for its own sake is worthwhile. I doubt proles can understand w/e scale Mozart is using either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35609186) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:06 AM Author: Aquamarine boistinker a standard of "proles need to be able to appreciate this" is retarded tbh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35609449) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:50 AM Author: swashbuckling cerise mediation kitty the fact is that there's no shortage of scholarship on the greatest composers of this tradition, bach, mozart, and beethoven, but they were able to write music that the masses could appreciate. great art isn't about complexity for its own sake. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35609515) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 5:19 PM Author: Dashing Infuriating Senate Ok, so I take it you also don’t consider James Joyce’s Ulysses to be great art bc Joe the Plumber can’t understand it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35613616) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 6:14 PM Author: swashbuckling cerise mediation kitty its impact is certainly nowhere near the consequence of the odyssey, or even caterbury tales. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35614078) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 6:21 PM Author: Dashing Infuriating Senate Lol so it’s not great because The Odyssey is better? What kind of standard is that? It should be evaluated on its own merits. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35614137) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 6:24 PM Author: swashbuckling cerise mediation kitty ulysses doesn't exist without the odyssey. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35614153) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 6:25 PM Author: Dashing Infuriating Senate Ok and Chopin doesn’t exist without Bach.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35614160) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 6:27 PM Author: swashbuckling cerise mediation kitty that's why any discussion of chopin is always grounded in the context in which his music appeared. you strip the context, and there's no basis to evaluate it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35614180) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 7:09 PM Author: Dashing Infuriating Senate Sure, but I don’t think our evaluation should be as crude as, “piece x is less influential than the great piece y, therefore piece x is not great.” Aesthetic evaluations can be still be made with context.
I think there’s room for all kinds of art, some more esoteric than others. The avant- garde has always been challenging, that’s kind of the point. |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 11:13 PM Author: swashbuckling cerise mediation kitty i never said avant garde shouldn't exist. again, i'm not a prescriptivist. i'm limiting myself to the observation that art is fundamentally about communicating an experience, and that the greatest works of art seem capable of speaking to a wide swath of society. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35616412) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 7:22 AM Author: Dashing Infuriating Senate Ariana Grande has communicated to a much larger swath of society than any classical composer ever... J. k. Rowling has been read more than James Joyce. I simply disagree that great art must be appreciated by the masses. Today’s masses especially are remarkably ignorant and lazy. They lack the attention span to even enjoy the more easily digestible music of earlier classical eras. If we pegged everything to their limited understanding and taste we’d be dismissing anything of even moderate complexity.
Take Chopin’s sonata #3. Not exactly something Joe the Plumber would be able to enjoy on a meaningful level. |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 8:11 AM Author: swashbuckling cerise mediation kitty arguing that popular appeal is the sole criterion of artistic merit, and saying that greatest works of art seem to speak to everyone are two very different claims on every level.
seems like your idea of the arts is motivated at least in part by a wish to differentiate yourself from the inferior masses. |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 8:16 AM Author: Dashing Infuriating Senate I think using popular appeal as any sort of criterion at all is a misstep, considering that popular appeal is not directly correlated quality. Those works would’ve been great regardless of whether the masses enjoyed them or not. These days I doubt the average person could get much out of a late Beethoven sonata. They’d most likely fall asleep.
I really don’t need to try to differentiate myself because I genuinely do not enjoy Katy Perry or most of pop culture. I just think that using their tastes to inform our opinion of art is pointless. If that makes you think I’m a snob, that’s fine. But pegging high art to the tastes of the unrefined is incredibly limiting, and pointless unless you’re trying to prove something about your reverence for the “common man”. |
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Date: March 17th, 2018 3:34 PM Author: swashbuckling cerise mediation kitty brother this poast says more about you than it does art, or the masses.
this subthread's reached the point where it makes sense to bow out, but i'll leave you with this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/opinion/us-veterans-use-greek-tragedy-to-tell-us-about-war.html |
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Date: March 17th, 2018 3:36 PM Author: Dashing Infuriating Senate Yeah I figured this was done when you admitted you didn’t think Ulysses was great art
I don’t read nyt but ty |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:42 AM Author: lascivious mewling parlor doctorate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35609505) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:46 AM Author: swashbuckling cerise mediation kitty lmao leave this thread and go poast about jason mraz. this kind of ignorant posturing isn't helping you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35609508) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 10:08 AM Author: lascivious mewling parlor doctorate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35610401) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 6:15 PM Author: swashbuckling cerise mediation kitty lol you are a seriously deluded individual (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35614087) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 7:24 AM Author: Thriller brilliant indirect expression mexican I wouldn't tell anybody that if I were you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35617707) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 7:25 AM Author: Titillating Erotic Internal Respiration International Law Enforcement Agency lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35617708) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:24 AM Author: Dashing Infuriating Senate it's amazing how they just keep raising the bar... nothing like this was being written 100 years ago, and a lot of that stuff is still "hard" by any reasonable measure (Gaspard etc) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35609041) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:17 AM Author: swashbuckling cerise mediation kitty what would change in a world in which this piece didn't exist? salonen premiered a piece written by my composition teacher, btw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35609006) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:20 AM Author: Dashing Infuriating Senate probably nothing. but that's the thing about "new music". We won't actually know if posterity has any use for it for a long time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35609021) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:18 AM Author: smoky odious sandwich property 180
I've watched this Ukrainian goddess many times: https://youtu.be/LdH1hSWGFGU |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:22 AM Author: Dashing Infuriating Senate I love Lisitsa. she plays with a lot of flare. has an interesting technical approach. and an interesting background, she was going to be a chess player but became really big from her recordings of the Chopin Etudes on Youtube.
She also had this oddly xo-ish incident
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/10/toronto-orchestra-cancels-ukraine-pianist-valentina-lisitsa-concert |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:25 AM Author: smoky odious sandwich property Yeah I remember that, it could also have been an elaborate ruse to get out of playing Rachmaninoff, which she hates (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35609047) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:32 AM Author: Dashing Infuriating Senate Imagine being in London and just stumbling upon this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn-KEbvCckg |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:38 AM Author: smoky odious sandwich property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35609098) |
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Date: March 26th, 2018 4:09 PM Author: Dashing Infuriating Senate Why did she say she dislikes Rachmaninov btw? Too shmultzy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35693326) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:50 AM Author: swashbuckling cerise mediation kitty lmao she's putting gopro to good use here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KMGcOYHSs0 |
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Date: March 17th, 2018 4:19 PM Author: Dashing Infuriating Senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919156&forum_id=2#35626885) |