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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:25 AM Author: Obsidian corner poor minority problem - which manifests itself in the US as gun violence because there happen to be a lot fo guns around"
The author basically takes all of the bullshit fake news graphs pushed by Vox and Motherjones and blows them the fuck out. With graphs.
Basically there is no correlation between gun ownership and gun violence. There is one data point. The US has high gun ownership and high gun violence. There are many MANY variables that contribute to gun violence a lot more than gun ownership.
10 minute or so read. Worth it.
https://medium.com/@bjcampbell/everybodys-lying-about-the-link-between-gun-ownership-and-homicide-1108ed400be5 |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 5:49 PM Author: Fragrant Plum Menage Preventive Strike This is glaringly obvious to any sane person (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35613892) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 6:16 PM Author: arousing impertinent organic girlfriend How is it glaringly obvious that gun ownership rate does not correlate with gun homicide? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35614089) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 6:17 PM Author: Fragrant Plum Menage Preventive Strike I was talking about the minority thing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35614095) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2021 1:49 PM Author: Infuriating metal garrison https://i.imgur.com/4I7VFJ2.png (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#42884322) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 6:00 PM Author: Fragrant Plum Menage Preventive Strike Read it. Fantastic article. The fake news media is so obscenely and disgustingly full of liars it’s sickening. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35613987) |
Date: March 15th, 2018 1:26 AM Author: Frozen kink-friendly fanboi box office guy who lives in a first world country with one of the lowest gun homicide rates in the world here, sup (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35609051) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:28 AM Author: Beady-eyed Awkward Selfie spin, ratfucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35609057) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:29 AM Author: Obsidian corner also no gun ownership - which has little impact on the gun homicide rate. Hows that non-gun suicide rate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35609062) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:46 AM Author: Frozen kink-friendly fanboi box office huge proponent of suicide as a means of population control via self-eugenics
low t depressed off themselves, lowering housing prices and increasing supply of females for high t alpha bros like myself
its great |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 2:15 AM Author: Milky Naked Sneaky Criminal totally healthy, normal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35609245) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 2:51 PM Author: Hairraiser Pungent Institution if nyuug was well adjusted he would have killed himself by now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612380) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:08 PM Author: 180 hyperventilating stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612989) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 6:23 PM Author: emerald really tough guy center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35614147) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:18 AM Author: Frozen kink-friendly fanboi box office indeed. suicide > homicide (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35616858) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 2:13 AM Author: Obsidian corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35609237) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 2:17 PM Author: Obsidian corner spend 10 min reading this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612059) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 2:48 PM Author: Obsidian corner fine don't bother reading this. assholes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612355) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 5:50 PM Author: Fragrant Plum Menage Preventive Strike Only bc it’s you earl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35613898) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 2:49 PM Author: Bisexual Confused Church I’ve already read this, but it is a great article that exposes (((media))) lies made in their pursuit to ban guns. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612365) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 2:50 PM Author: dull resort was anyone saying all the homicides are committed by legal gun owners? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612370) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:10 PM Author: Obsidian corner the point is that more guns does not lead to more gun crime. the existence of guns is obviously a but for necessary factor, but not the driving factor.
Imagine two scenarios:
(A) Gun are legal. I could pick 50 friends and we could each buy 10 AR-15's and keep them in our houses. That's 500 new guns owned by 50 people.
(B) All purchases of new semi auto weapons are banned. Not just "assault weapons", but rifles and hand guns too. But existing guns in circulation are not confiscated. They cannot be bought or sold legally. Instead of me and 50 friends buying 10 guns, I pick 20 inner city black young men at random, sight unseen, and clone them and put them back into society. Not just criminals, 20 kids from inner city Chicago or St Louis at random. They cannot obtain any guns legally.
On a marginal basis scenario B will lead to more gun violence than scenario A.
Poverty and race leads to violent crime, and violent crime when guns happen to be around leads to gun homicides.
Obviously if all guns were confiscated there would be no gun crime, but this weakens arguments that tightening restrictions on legal gun ownership is what is needed to combat gun violence. |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:15 PM Author: crawly telephone Right.
And I poasted at length in another thread about why shit like this is divisive and causes white, law-abiding gun owners to get angry. Because that group's rights are being targeted because of a violence problem essentially among poor blacks. |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 2:51 PM Author: Jet-lagged people who are hurt mexican https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/why-are-white-men-stockpiling-guns/
please see this more important article from scientific american |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 2:52 PM Author: Bisexual Confused Church No, this isn’t more important. It’s race baiting trash.
You should read the OP if you actually cared about the truth regarding whether more guns actually leads to more violent crime. |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 2:53 PM Author: Autistic Diverse House It's backed up by "many, many studies" bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612392) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 2:54 PM Author: Jet-lagged people who are hurt mexican jfc I am flaming you deranged freak (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612400) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 2:56 PM Author: Bisexual Confused Church Like anyone could tell you are flaming, lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612413) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:04 PM Author: Dun curious step-uncle's house azn jfc you squawking autist, this was obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together and I didn't even click the link (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612470) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:04 PM Author: rose startling lay don't be mean 2 lawman8 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612477) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:04 PM Author: rose startling lay it was pretty clear.. leolenin is a chill 180 conservahero (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612473) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:06 PM Author: Bisexual Confused Church You think so? He poasted this earlier today:
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919532&mc=2&forum_id=2#35611957 |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:14 PM Author: Jet-lagged people who are hurt mexican Absolutely devastating (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612568) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 6:01 PM Author: Fragrant Plum Menage Preventive Strike Very doobsian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35613996) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 11:27 PM Author: Bisexual Confused Church Yes, remembering a poast he made earlier today in my own thread is doobsian, moron. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35616528) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 11:28 PM Author: Fragrant Plum Menage Preventive Strike (doobsman8) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35616534) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 11:29 PM Author: Bisexual Confused Church Whatever you say, retard. Also, you must be here 24/7 to have responded so quickly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35616541) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:02 PM Author: crawly telephone Great article, except
>> The reason we don’t go there is very important to understand. The study established correlations, not causality. The results might be explained by saying “black people tend to live disproportionately in poorer, urbanized areas that are more prone to homicide due to environmental factors.” That explanation may be completely reasonable. <<
has been disproven by other studies. when you control for income and urbanization, blacks still have way, way higher homicide rates than Hispanics or whites or asians. |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:02 PM Author: Bisexual Confused Church He knows this. He has to say that, otherwise his life would be ruined by shitlibs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612460) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:04 PM Author: crawly telephone i actually wonder how adding IQ into the mix changes things. if you control for IQ/income/urbanization, would there be more equality among the races? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612478) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:06 PM Author: Dun curious step-uncle's house azn well sure maybe but "controlling for IQ" when you have two (or more) populations with very different IQ distributions is kind of meaningless (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612493) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:11 PM Author: crawly telephone yes and no.
it would certainly be interesting to note whether patterns of violence hold across IQ distributions for blacks.
it's more politically palatable (and possibly more effective) to target young men with low IQs as a way of controlling violence, as opposed to "blacks". |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:13 PM Author: Dun curious step-uncle's house azn Sure, until people realize that "young men with low IQs" is basically a proxy for "blacks" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612557) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:16 PM Author: crawly telephone yeah, libs would just treat disparate impact as de facto evidence of racism. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612585) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:13 PM Author: Bisexual Confused Church How could this ever be implemented, even if you wanted to?
Not like the government has an IQ database of everyone. Many poors probably never take the test period. |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 5:13 PM Author: Up-to-no-good address Going by IQ would be what the founding fathers wanted. The founding fathers limited it to free white men because it was the best proxy available for aptitude the time. They didn't have very good aptitude measuring methodology back then. We do now. The problem with both the anti-racist and the racists is that they refuse to acknowledge that a substantial proportion of each race can exist peacefully and productively in Western Society, but that there's a percentage of each race that cannot and that percentage is not the same for every race. If we focused on maximizing every one's potential instead of trying to turn everyone into some equally neutered version of a human, we could use this information to make a better life for everyone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35613564) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 11:28 PM Author: Bisexual Confused Church I completely agree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35616537) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 8:00 AM Author: Dun curious step-uncle's house azn (hitler) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35617778) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:13 PM Author: Vigorous pit Cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612558) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:08 PM Author: Bisexual Confused Church I know that when you control for income and urbanization, blacks are still the most violent by FAR. See here:
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3912965&mc=73&forum_id=2#35561421
I’m not sure if IQ was included, though, or if such studies have ever been done. |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 5:14 PM Author: Up-to-no-good address The idea that racial differences in crime are solely due to socioeconomic factors is empirically false (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35613575) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 5:10 PM Author: Up-to-no-good address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35613543) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:03 PM Author: Dun curious step-uncle's house azn 180, ty for sharing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612464) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:06 PM Author: dull resort i don't get the state gun ownership part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612490) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:16 PM Author: frisky puppy friendly grandma He's arguing that it shows no correlation between guns per capita and crime. That argument is easily pushed aside considering how weapons in high per capita states are largely the ones used in violent crimes in urban areas with much lower ownership rates and onerous gun control laws (in NYC about 9 out of 10 guns used in violent crimes come from virginia, NC, and southern states with less gun control). The other arguments require a little more of a detailed response but the article is actually not much different from the liberal articles he attacks. Everyone plays games with the stats. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612593) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:19 PM Author: dull resort that part didn't make sense to me but i figured there was something i was missing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612615) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:20 PM Author: crawly telephone i.e., it's a poor minority problem? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612625) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:23 PM Author: Abnormal Cerebral Travel Guidebook "He's arguing"
"That argument"
"The other arguments"
"Everyone plays games"
.. Care to just SAY SOMETHING? Like this:
BLACKS ARE MORE DANGEROUS THAN GUNS. |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 8:01 AM Author: Dark Immigrant Doctorate oh, my god - this is the most boomer post i have read! i am swedish thouw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35617787) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:24 PM Author: Obsidian corner his conclusion is not that the availability of guns is not a facotr in gun violence - it clearlyu is.
But if we aren't confiscating all guns in the US, do you think a better policy is to restrict legal gun purchases or to stop and frisk every minority kid in bad areas? If your goal is to reduce gun violence? |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:28 PM Author: dull resort so there is a gun ownership problem since that's where the guns come from? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612689) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:36 PM Author: Obsidian corner only to the point guns are ubiquitous, which they are. Supply exceeds demand for firearms. Me buying another 10 guns does not move the needle much, even taking into account the chances I get burglarized and all my guns are stolen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612755) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:42 PM Author: dull resort so gun ownership helped originate the problem, but now that we've reached a saturation point, proceeding with gun laws won't do anything. that seems like a separate argument from the one the article was making. is the article right or wrong? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612790) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:05 PM Author: Obsidian corner I think the article is right, that gun ownership is not a strong variable leading to the increase in gun crime. It is of course a but for variable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612952) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:19 PM Author: dull resort he correctly writes that the issue has been written about disingenuously and then after debunking examples disingenuously comes to his own conclusion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35613091) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 5:04 PM Author: Obsidian corner does he really come to conclusions other than - "those articles are bullshit" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35613506) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 5:20 PM Author: Up-to-no-good address All he was saying is that the other articles were bullshit and that we were being lied to about the relationship between gun ownership and the murder rate. That's it. You're attacking conclusions he didn't make. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35613620) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 5:43 PM Author: Obsidian corner i'm not - the other guy did.
I am making my own conclusions which are maybe not completely supported. |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:58 AM Author: idiotic hospital that's a fucking understatement (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35617060) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:33 PM Author: arousing impertinent organic girlfriend If you can point to data showing correlation between gun ownership rates and gun homicide, please do so. okthxbye (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612732) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 5:17 PM Author: Up-to-no-good address And what pushes your argument aside is him doing the comparisons internationally (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35613595) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 6:23 PM Author: arousing impertinent organic girlfriend I don't even understand what LTM's argument is. More crime happens in urban areas with lower ownership rates, therefore...what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35614148) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 6:22 PM Author: arousing impertinent organic girlfriend "That argument is easily pushed aside considering how weapons in high per capita states are largely the ones used in violent crimes in urban areas with much lower ownership rates and onerous gun control laws"
Wait, how does a higher rate of gun crime in areas with lower rates of gun ownership *support* the supposed correlation between ownership and crime rates? |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:10 PM Author: Frum unhinged church building once again, at the bottom of everything that sucks in america is niggers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612532) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:14 PM Author: Dun curious step-uncle's house azn As I keep harping on, the fucking slave traders/plantation owners are really the root of the issue here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612571) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:16 PM Author: Obsidian corner libs and reptiles agree that african slavery is the worst thing to ever happen in america. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612584) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:20 PM Author: Dun curious step-uncle's house azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612618) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:12 PM Author: Obsidian corner From my comment above:
Imagine two scenarios:
(A) Gun are legal. I could pick 50 friends and we could each buy 10 AR-15's and keep them in our houses. That's 500 new guns owned by 50 people.
(B) All purchases of new semi auto weapons are banned. Not just "assault weapons", but rifles and hand guns too. But existing guns in circulation are not confiscated. They cannot be bought or sold legally. Instead of me and 50 friends buying 10 guns, I pick 20 inner city black young men at random, sight unseen, and clone them and put them back into society. Not just criminals, 20 kids from inner city Chicago or St Louis at random. They cannot obtain any guns legally.
On a marginal basis scenario B will lead to more gun violence than scenario A.
Poverty and race leads to violent crime, and violent crime when guns happen to be around leads to gun homicides.
Obviously if all guns were confiscated there would be no gun crime, but this weakens arguments that tightening restrictions on legal gun ownership is what is needed to combat gun violence. |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:12 PM Author: Vigorous pit 170. Article gapes intellectually dishonest lib media but falsely asserts without evidence that poverty and not race is the cause of nigger gun violence. Jared Taylor has scholarship showing that when income is controlled for, nigs still commit violent crime at far greater rates than whites (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612545) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:16 PM Author: Obsidian corner there are studies you can share in polite company which infer what everyone is thinking. You share the data which is clear as day and then add a fake disclaimer: "No homo, but a dick in the ass feels good" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612590) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 5:26 PM Author: Up-to-no-good address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35613669) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:34 PM Author: arousing impertinent organic girlfriend It does not make that assertion. It merely states that it might be a plausible explanation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612743) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:21 PM Author: Obsidian corner And here is a further conclusion you can draw from the data:
if you have to violate constitutional rights to prevent gun violence are you better off:
1) keeping people from buying guns, or
2) stop and frisking every other young black man in shitty areas?
The gun violence rates in NYC versus Chicago or DC speak for themselves. |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:23 PM Author: crawly telephone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612650) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:24 PM Author: Bistre exhilarant community account hall It's not a surprise where most of the gun violence occurs-- it's the same few hundred square miles every year. Rather than try to nab every gun, you could just install surveillance everywhere. No 4th amendment concerns because libs don't care about constitutional rights when it saves lives, right libs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612663) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 5:29 PM Author: Provocative karate libs? Your response? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35613687) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:17 AM Author: Fiercely-loyal odious lodge half-breed Systematic stop and frisk was ended four years ago in NYC.
Would you be ok with NYC style gun laws Nationwide? |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:31 AM Author: Obsidian corner no, NYC gun laws are not responsible for the reduction in crime. The massive police force in shitty areas is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35616935) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:22 PM Author: Abnormal Cerebral Travel Guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612637) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:30 PM Author: arousing impertinent organic girlfriend This is a great article, but would be even greater if it analyzed overall suicide rates by gun ownership (i.e., do more people actually kill themselves in high-gun-ownership societies, or does it merely change the method). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612706) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:34 PM Author: Obsidian corner it makes suicides a lot more successful - even though overall attempts are driven by culture (japan and korea) rather than gun availability.
Which is a problem, but you dont have people protesting because they are scared of gun suicides. I will not give up my rights to ostensibly make it a little harder for someone else to end their lives if they choose to. |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:37 PM Author: crawly telephone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612764) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:33 PM Author: electric plaza kitty Does this mean that we can reduce firearm homicide by getting rid of black people?
No.
No it does not.
Don’t even go there.
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:36 PM Author: Dun curious step-uncle's house azn lol cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612752) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:37 PM Author: Obsidian corner whatever, he doth protest too much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612763) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:56 PM Author: indigo party of the first part theatre ...what he actually means is "maybe," because the fact that a correlation does not prove causality also means that it doesn't disprove causality either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612877) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:40 PM Author: Ruby Messiness National this is well-known. firearms establish a floor below which a murder rate is unlikely to drop due to impulse murders, but that floor is probably around 1 per 100,000, while the actual US rate is 5.3. the gap is primarily due to ultraviolent urban black areas across the country. STL's murder rate is over 60 per 100K, and STL is still something like 40% white. the black rate in STL by itself is over 100, and the rate for black men aged 14-40 or so is probably c. 250-300. that's fucking nuts. that's a civil war level of violence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612774) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:45 PM Author: Dun curious step-uncle's house azn Are they still killing each other over drugs or is it now like instagram beefs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612808) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:53 PM Author: Ruby Messiness National they don't even need "reasons" anymore; it's just something to do. it's just part of the culture. roll down into enemy territory and shoot up the corner - that's a fun wednesday night. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612856) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:54 PM Author: crawly telephone YU AINT C'N MY NEXT IG POST (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612870) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 6:04 PM Author: Fragrant Plum Menage Preventive Strike Tbqh 250-300 per 100k doesn’t seem so high (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35614025) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 6:24 PM Author: Ruby Messiness National the developed-world norm is around 0.3 on the low end (japan, singapore) to 1.5 on the higher-end (canada). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35614152) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 6:18 PM Author: Up-to-no-good address Turning contract issues related to drug transactions or property issues wrt territory into a criminal issues doesn't help either (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35614108) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:50 PM Author: Lake misanthropic trump supporter filthpig I think everyone already knows this though. At least everyone older than millennial age. It seems to be millenial faggots that don't actually know or understand shit and believe media narratives. Even gen Z has critical thinking skills. Why are we so shit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612843) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:54 PM Author: dull resort people are as dumb as they've always been (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612864) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:00 PM Author: Saffron Main People Sanctuary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612906) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:00 PM Author: Saffron Main People Sanctuary https://imgur.com/QePQ08B
does the math on this check out? |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:05 PM Author: crawly telephone what math? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612955) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:07 PM Author: Obsidian corner not sure how strict gun control is in St. Louis. But that is also the same type of lazy stats that the article objects to, from the other side.
If you want to be up front just compare white gun homicide rates to white gun ownership in the US and europe. |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:09 PM Author: Saffron Main People Sanctuary these are all lib strongholds with strong gun control, claims the pic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35613003) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:11 PM Author: Ruby Messiness National that's incorrect. missouri even has "constitutional carry" for anyone 19 or older, meaning you don't even need a concealed-carry permit to carry a firearm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35613024) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:05 PM Author: sadistic haunted graveyard home heard America similar murder rate to Europe if u factor out blacks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612953) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:06 PM Author: Saffron Main People Sanctuary https://imgur.com/QePQ08B (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612965) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:09 PM Author: Ruby Messiness National meme images like that do more harm than good, because it's just flat-out wrong that STL, detroit, or new orleans have "strict gun control laws." they have the laws of their respective states. i also don't think it's true anyway, since the US also has cities like baltimore that single-handedly contribute almost 350 murders/year to the national total. it also elides the fact that stricter effective (not just statutory) gun control (a la NYC) is probably the only way to bring down murder rates in american black areas in particular. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35613006) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:15 PM Author: Saffron Main People Sanctuary yeah i wish the pic listed a source or some actual numbers of some kind but i saw it on The_Donald so what do you expect.
EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
so just based off this, in 2015 the US was 8th in absolute number of numbers (holy shit brazil #1 with 55,000 murders!!!), but only 98th if you sort per 100,000 inhabitants. so this pic is just flat out wrong and i'm not even gonna try to dive into the individual city numbers |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:06 PM Author: Ruby Messiness National not really; it's somewhat higher. you'd also have to factor out the nonwhite murder rate for european nations themselves, which would widen the gap. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35612968) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:08 PM Author: crawly telephone but you might also have to factor in the increased murders by whites because of proximity to, and involvement with, violent minorities.
in any event, it would certainly be in the ballpark with a lot of other European nations. |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:19 PM Author: comical ocher persian faggotry This reinforces the correct message: America's real problem is mental illness.
Whether it's suicides, mass shootings, gender issues, or having a mental breakdown over a fucking election |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:19 PM Author: concupiscible shimmering locus clown So we looked at the data. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35613101) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:21 PM Author: Fluffy hell associate who is the author? i want to send this to ppl but dont want ad homs on the author. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35613116) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:54 PM Author: Obsidian corner based on his overenthusiastic fake qualification on the racial issue, I am guess he has no stormfront background that will get you in trouble. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35613433) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 5:01 PM Author: crawly telephone Don't even go there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35613487) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 6:06 PM Author: Fragrant Plum Menage Preventive Strike (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35614033) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 5:02 PM Author: Fluffy hell associate it's more that if i send it to pddj she's gonna wonder if this is just some internet hack from what's a medium dot com. if he had some sort of credentials, she'd be more persuaded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35613494) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 5:04 PM Author: crawly telephone pea-brained women always looking for proxies.
why doesn't she just read the article and then see if there are flaws? |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 6:00 PM Author: Fluffy hell associate pddj is open minded and can be persuaded by reason. in this day and age, i think it's reasonable to question the source of anything one reads. why does it have to be ONLY a pre-brained woman thing?
the world is too complicated for us to always be able to spot flaws if someone is passing a load of bullcrap on us. that's the whole thing about global warming 'science.' none of us on xo know enough to dissect some fraud scientist's global warming study. we have to rely on proxies who we trust to spot some of the bullshit. |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 5:06 PM Author: concupiscible shimmering locus clown I mean, throwing some data in excel and running a linear regression isn't exactly Moneyball shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35613514) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 5:01 PM Author: Balding duck-like sound barrier chapel Lol wow holy shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35613489) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 5:07 PM Author: Balding duck-like sound barrier chapel Actually idk
He says the way they measure gun ownership rate is fucked, but then doesn’t seem to point to a better way to measure it.
Makes me wonder what gun ownership rate actually is |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 6:07 PM Author: Fragrant Plum Menage Preventive Strike The big thing is how the media adds suicides to homicide totals (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35614037) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 6:08 PM Author: Talented walnut turdskin volcanic crater Let me guess the jews are responsible for gun violence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35614044) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 6:17 PM Author: Ruby Messiness National only to the extent that they support soft-on-crime policies that let criminals run fucking rampant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35614097) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 6:18 PM Author: Obsidian corner only to the extent they fight stop and frisk policies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35614109) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 6:32 PM Author: Talented walnut turdskin volcanic crater what the fuck do you mean by "they"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35614214) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 7:05 PM Author: Black Thriller Office This is hate speech. This man should be arrested, tortured, and killed for his crimes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35614489) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 7:23 PM Author: Soul-stirring indian lodge If libs were genuine abut lowering gun deaths from homicide they would support drastically increased penalties for violent crimes and unlawful gun ownership. I'm on board. Libs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35614619) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 12:51 AM Author: Swashbuckling French Property good post, although of course the problem is blacks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35617026) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:46 PM Author: Obsidian corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3919161&forum_id=2#35709255) |
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