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Rabbi says meat from genetically cloned pig is in fact Kosher (link)

https://www.jta.org/2018/03/22/news-opinion/rabbi-says-meat-...
charismatic crackhouse
  03/22/18
scientists have been working on kosher hams for decades. it'...
Adventurous Boltzmann
  03/22/18
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Floppy forum
  03/22/18
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Gold alpha
  03/22/18
As a Jew, I’m appalled that the orthodox union’s kosher divi...
Histrionic sanctuary
  03/22/18
Rabbi here. Two things are undoubtedly true: it is kosher b...
Offensive vibrant set ape
  03/22/18
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mewling famous landscape painting national
  03/23/18
do you actually have smicha, or you just an xo rav?
Soul-stirring stage
  03/23/18
Just an xo rabbi.
Offensive vibrant set ape
  03/23/18
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Concupiscible Community Account Stain
  03/23/18
i take it you're ffb and otd?
Soul-stirring stage
  03/23/18
More or less. Been in and out a few times and semi religiou...
Offensive vibrant set ape
  03/23/18
what about your parents/siblings? did you grow up MO or m...
Soul-stirring stage
  03/23/18
Don't want to get into detail but definitely went through so...
Offensive vibrant set ape
  03/23/18
are you ss/sk? if so, then i think that makes you MO. less, ...
Soul-stirring stage
  03/23/18
Sorry, Yahweh
pale faggot firefighter institution
  03/23/18
isnt this old news? most ortho rabbis agree that it's techni...
Soul-stirring stage
  03/23/18
Do you agree with the rulings? Would you eat pork from this...
Concupiscible Community Account Stain
  03/23/18
i dont have any reason to disagree with the rulings on techn...
Soul-stirring stage
  03/23/18
So what happens if you breed that cloned pig? Is the next-ge...
Vivacious blood rage
  03/23/18
Cannot imagine the cloned pig part is true. The guy they in...
Offensive vibrant set ape
  03/23/18
seems like it should be discouraged on the same grounds as e...
nofapping demanding whorehouse
  03/23/18
im not thrilled this analogy bc the kitniyot is a long-estab...
Soul-stirring stage
  03/23/18
i looked at thread title quickly and thought it said "k...
gaped rigpig
  03/23/18
this poast sucks
nofapping demanding whorehouse
  03/23/18
most of my poasts do
gaped rigpig
  03/23/18


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Date: March 22nd, 2018 12:46 PM
Author: charismatic crackhouse

https://www.jta.org/2018/03/22/news-opinion/rabbi-says-meat-genetically-cloned-pig-eaten-jews-including-milk

(JTA) — A prominent Orthodox rabbi in Israel said that meat from a genetically cloned pig would be kosher for consumption by Jews, including when eaten with dairy products.

Rabbi Yuval Cherlow told Ynet in an interview published Wednesday that cloned meat is not subject to the rules that apply to the consumption of regular meat.

Cherlow is quoted as saying that “cloned meat produced from a pig shall not be defined as prohibited for consumption – including with milk.”

In the interview, Cherlow of the Tzohar Rabbinical Organization appears to be talking about meat that is grown artificially in a laboratory from the cells of a pig rather than meat produced from a live pig whose genetic material comes from a cell from which the pig was cloned. However, the article does not quote him as making the distinction.

In the interview ahead of a Bar-Ilan University symposium titled “Science and Halacha” featuring a talk by Cherlow, he advocated rabbinic approval of cloned meat “so that people would not starve, to prevent pollution, and to avoid the suffering of animals.”

When the “cell of a pig is used and its genetic material is utilized in the production of food, the cell in fact loses its original identity and therefore cannot be defined as forbidden for consumption,” Cherlow said. “It wouldn’t even be meat, so you can consume it with dairy.”

In 2013, Rabbi Menachem Genack, CEO of the Orthodox Union’s kosher division, said that meat from a lab-grown hamburger could be consumed with dairy products, although halacha, religious Jewish law, forbids it in meat produced from a live animal.

But Genack, who was commenting on the production of an artificial hamburger produced by researchers from Maastricht University in the Netherlands, did not mention pork, whose consumption is one of Judaism’s strongest prohibitions.

“Without prophesizing, clearly there will be a major disagreement,” Cherlow said over the consumption of what he called cloned meat. And while “there is merit” in prohibiting this meat, too, “halachic thought should examine the needs of all humanity, not only one’s own case,” he said.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35661334)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 12:47 PM
Author: Adventurous Boltzmann

scientists have been working on kosher hams for decades. it's going to happen.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35661343)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 12:53 PM
Author: Floppy forum



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35661399)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 12:54 PM
Author: Gold alpha



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35661404)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 12:52 PM
Author: Histrionic sanctuary

As a Jew, I’m appalled that the orthodox union’s kosher division has a “ceo”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35661395)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 1:12 PM
Author: Offensive vibrant set ape

Rabbi here. Two things are undoubtedly true: it is kosher by the letter of the law, and as a practical matter, Orthodox Jews will not eat it. As an example, a hundred years ago, half of orthodox rabbis came up with convoluted machinations to forbid electricity on Shabbat, and half of them still allowed it. Today, an orthodox Jew would no sooner use electricity on Shabbat than build a fire or harvest a field.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35661499)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:40 AM
Author: mewling famous landscape painting national



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 4:39 PM
Author: Soul-stirring stage

do you actually have smicha, or you just an xo rav?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672330)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:05 PM
Author: Offensive vibrant set ape

Just an xo rabbi.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672561)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:06 PM
Author: Concupiscible Community Account Stain



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:12 PM
Author: Soul-stirring stage

i take it you're ffb and otd?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672632)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:14 PM
Author: Offensive vibrant set ape

More or less. Been in and out a few times and semi religious now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672642)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:16 PM
Author: Soul-stirring stage

what about your parents/siblings?

did you grow up MO or more shtark?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672654)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:20 PM
Author: Offensive vibrant set ape

Don't want to get into detail but definitely went through some far right phases. Never really MO - it was always either righter or lefter. It occurs to me that maybe now I'd qualify as MO, to a degree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672681)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:30 PM
Author: Soul-stirring stage

are you ss/sk? if so, then i think that makes you MO. less, and you're traditional.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672745)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:36 AM
Author: pale faggot firefighter institution

Sorry, Yahweh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35669593)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 4:40 PM
Author: Soul-stirring stage

isnt this old news? most ortho rabbis agree that it's technically kosher.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672336)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:07 PM
Author: Concupiscible Community Account Stain

Do you agree with the rulings? Would you eat pork from this method?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672585)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:14 PM
Author: Soul-stirring stage

i dont have any reason to disagree with the rulings on technical grounds. these scholars know far more than i do.

would i eat cloned kosher pork? i'm more afraid of eating cloned animals than pigs for health reasons, actually.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672640)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:10 PM
Author: Vivacious blood rage

So what happens if you breed that cloned pig? Is the next-generation pig forbidden or does it inherit the kosherness?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672614)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:12 PM
Author: Offensive vibrant set ape

Cannot imagine the cloned pig part is true. The guy they interviewed may not have drawn a distinction but a live cloned pig would be treif AF.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672631)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:20 PM
Author: nofapping demanding whorehouse

seems like it should be discouraged on the same grounds as eating kitniyot is discouraged/prohibited

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672679)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:37 PM
Author: Soul-stirring stage

im not thrilled this analogy bc the kitniyot is a long-established custom for some but not all jews, in the same way different jews have different customs about how long to wait after meat (1 vs 3 vs 6 hours).

rabbis can make halachic rulings, but they cant invent customs overnight. it may become a custom eventually if the rabbis forcememe people into not eating it, but they cant just declare it a custom.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672807)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:32 PM
Author: gaped rigpig

i looked at thread title quickly and thought it said "kushner", not "kosher"

lulz at me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672762)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:37 PM
Author: nofapping demanding whorehouse

this poast sucks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672804)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:38 PM
Author: gaped rigpig

most of my poasts do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672810)