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Rabbi says meat from genetically cloned pig is in fact Kosher (link)
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Date: March 22nd, 2018 12:46 PM Author: Awkward Range https://www.jta.org/2018/03/22/news-opinion/rabbi-says-meat-genetically-cloned-pig-eaten-jews-including-milk
(JTA) — A prominent Orthodox rabbi in Israel said that meat from a genetically cloned pig would be kosher for consumption by Jews, including when eaten with dairy products.
Rabbi Yuval Cherlow told Ynet in an interview published Wednesday that cloned meat is not subject to the rules that apply to the consumption of regular meat.
Cherlow is quoted as saying that “cloned meat produced from a pig shall not be defined as prohibited for consumption – including with milk.”
In the interview, Cherlow of the Tzohar Rabbinical Organization appears to be talking about meat that is grown artificially in a laboratory from the cells of a pig rather than meat produced from a live pig whose genetic material comes from a cell from which the pig was cloned. However, the article does not quote him as making the distinction.
In the interview ahead of a Bar-Ilan University symposium titled “Science and Halacha” featuring a talk by Cherlow, he advocated rabbinic approval of cloned meat “so that people would not starve, to prevent pollution, and to avoid the suffering of animals.”
When the “cell of a pig is used and its genetic material is utilized in the production of food, the cell in fact loses its original identity and therefore cannot be defined as forbidden for consumption,” Cherlow said. “It wouldn’t even be meat, so you can consume it with dairy.”
In 2013, Rabbi Menachem Genack, CEO of the Orthodox Union’s kosher division, said that meat from a lab-grown hamburger could be consumed with dairy products, although halacha, religious Jewish law, forbids it in meat produced from a live animal.
But Genack, who was commenting on the production of an artificial hamburger produced by researchers from Maastricht University in the Netherlands, did not mention pork, whose consumption is one of Judaism’s strongest prohibitions.
“Without prophesizing, clearly there will be a major disagreement,” Cherlow said over the consumption of what he called cloned meat. And while “there is merit” in prohibiting this meat, too, “halachic thought should examine the needs of all humanity, not only one’s own case,” he said. |
Date: March 22nd, 2018 12:47 PM Author: Thirsty slap-happy jewess scientists have been working on kosher hams for decades. it's going to happen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35661343) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2018 12:53 PM Author: Grizzly appetizing gas station nowag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35661399) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2018 12:54 PM Author: duck-like dead marketing idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35661404) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2018 12:52 PM Author: fighting racy shrine As a Jew, I’m appalled that the orthodox union’s kosher division has a “ceo” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35661395) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2018 1:12 PM Author: salmon windowlicker Rabbi here. Two things are undoubtedly true: it is kosher by the letter of the law, and as a practical matter, Orthodox Jews will not eat it. As an example, a hundred years ago, half of orthodox rabbis came up with convoluted machinations to forbid electricity on Shabbat, and half of them still allowed it. Today, an orthodox Jew would no sooner use electricity on Shabbat than build a fire or harvest a field. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35661499) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:40 AM Author: excitant lavender den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35669639) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 4:39 PM Author: motley nudist potus do you actually have smicha, or you just an xo rav? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672330) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:05 PM Author: salmon windowlicker Just an xo rabbi. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672561) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:06 PM Author: blathering pungent hall foreskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672581) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:12 PM Author: motley nudist potus i take it you're ffb and otd? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672632) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:14 PM Author: salmon windowlicker More or less. Been in and out a few times and semi religious now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672642) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:16 PM Author: motley nudist potus what about your parents/siblings?
did you grow up MO or more shtark? |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:20 PM Author: salmon windowlicker Don't want to get into detail but definitely went through some far right phases. Never really MO - it was always either righter or lefter. It occurs to me that maybe now I'd qualify as MO, to a degree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672681) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:30 PM Author: motley nudist potus are you ss/sk? if so, then i think that makes you MO. less, and you're traditional. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672745) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:36 AM Author: amethyst splenetic trailer park Sorry, Yahweh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35669593) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 4:40 PM Author: motley nudist potus isnt this old news? most ortho rabbis agree that it's technically kosher. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672336) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:07 PM Author: blathering pungent hall foreskin Do you agree with the rulings? Would you eat pork from this method? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672585) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:14 PM Author: motley nudist potus i dont have any reason to disagree with the rulings on technical grounds. these scholars know far more than i do.
would i eat cloned kosher pork? i'm more afraid of eating cloned animals than pigs for health reasons, actually. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:10 PM Author: Gay Kitchen Ratface So what happens if you breed that cloned pig? Is the next-generation pig forbidden or does it inherit the kosherness? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672614) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:12 PM Author: salmon windowlicker Cannot imagine the cloned pig part is true. The guy they interviewed may not have drawn a distinction but a live cloned pig would be treif AF. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672631) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:20 PM Author: Primrose point seems like it should be discouraged on the same grounds as eating kitniyot is discouraged/prohibited (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672679) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:37 PM Author: motley nudist potus im not thrilled this analogy bc the kitniyot is a long-established custom for some but not all jews, in the same way different jews have different customs about how long to wait after meat (1 vs 3 vs 6 hours).
rabbis can make halachic rulings, but they cant invent customs overnight. it may become a custom eventually if the rabbis forcememe people into not eating it, but they cant just declare it a custom. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:32 PM Author: irate garrison dragon i looked at thread title quickly and thought it said "kushner", not "kosher"
lulz at me |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:37 PM Author: Primrose point this poast sucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672804) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 5:38 PM Author: irate garrison dragon most of my poasts do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925623&forum_id=2#35672810) |