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The shrew poasts really got to me. The notion of the shrew i...
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people used to post fake links to tubgirl. thought that was...
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Chestnut Appetizing Station Athletic Conference
  03/24/18
repulsed glee
Peach Frum Dog Poop
  03/23/18
been here since 04. never felt a shock. just felt at home.
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Massive mexican
  03/23/18
Mostly just the shame of being so unprestigious
Purple Aggressive Senate Tank
  03/23/18
no shock. immediately thought "this is who i am now&quo...
Dull reading party
  03/23/18
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Passionate useless brakes
  03/23/18
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Stimulating gaping
  03/24/18
No shock. I posted on PR first.
Motley home
  03/23/18
I was linked here from a law school thread on 4chan's busine...
beady-eyed alcoholic philosopher-king market
  03/23/18
Lmao how olde are you
Provocative feces
  03/23/18
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Some of my early posting was on "phd in teenage Inuit s...
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  03/23/18
i was offended by the constant use of the world "proles...
Vivacious house
  03/23/18
Confusion about how no one was posting about anything relate...
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  03/23/18
prole tell. prestigious law schools don't teach the law a...
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  03/24/18
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thriller cyan cumskin
  03/24/18
I was terrified of expert mode
excitant fat ankles giraffe
  03/23/18
The shittiness of the format. The first time I clicked on a ...
Mind-boggling Infuriating Factory Reset Button Toaster
  03/23/18
It held no shock for me since I spent my formative years was...
Fragrant Ratface Affirmative Action
  03/23/18
I've literally been posting here for over a decade.
Abusive bossy skinny woman
  03/23/18
xo is the most niche thing i've posted on, but honestly i th...
Stubborn Hominid Forum
  03/24/18
SA had like 100,000 members at one time
Vivacious house
  03/24/18
There actually used to be threads on the LSAT. Hilarious. ...
vibrant hall
  03/23/18
lingo was weird but i was captivated by the discussion of la...
Histrionic scourge upon the earth
  03/23/18
Like The Paper Chase, but about the Asian Pacific American L...
Fragrant Ratface Affirmative Action
  03/23/18
Lol i was actually surprised at the high level of discussion...
Histrionic scourge upon the earth
  03/23/18
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Razzle-dazzle Medicated Space
  03/24/18
didn't know why everyone was so obsessed with "niggers....
Stubborn Hominid Forum
  03/23/18
I was in shock at how vulgar and nasty very intelligent peop...
Provocative feces
  03/23/18
Found this place by hate-googling "strivers" and h...
Pink fortuitous meteor pit
  03/23/18
Tame, b/c I didn't click EXPERT MODE until very recently. I ...
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  03/23/18
i had no clue what the fuck i was looking at. huge strings ...
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Fragrant Ratface Affirmative Action
  03/23/18
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Histrionic scourge upon the earth
  03/23/18
that sounds accurate to me
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  03/24/18
haha did not understand the blank bumps at first - kept thin...
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Vengeful Drunken School Cafeteria
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Fragrant Ratface Affirmative Action
  03/24/18
2007 or 2008. I was looking for law school application advic...
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  03/24/18
i think i asked a legit question about my background and get...
ultramarine plaza
  03/24/18
reading threw a turd at a nigger is when i realized xo is my...
Amber Big Candlestick Maker Parlor
  03/24/18
Go back to europe, pilgrim
Provocative feces
  03/24/18
"Wow maybe these guys who openly say nigger can tell me...
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excitant fat ankles giraffe
  03/24/18
entered right before ITE hit; first thought “why does this p...
Talented gold menage
  03/24/18
Shock? What shock?
Vengeful Drunken School Cafeteria
  03/24/18
This post sums it up nicely http://www.xoxohth.com/thread...
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  03/24/18
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Vengeful Drunken School Cafeteria
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Fragrant Ratface Affirmative Action
  03/24/18
I recall that as I intended to graduate in the top 10% perce...
Demanding irradiated business firm
  03/24/18
Reminded me of an old forum I used to post on that was slowl...
Diverse regret
  03/24/18
I wanted to offer sage advice here. I tried a couple times,...
contagious chapel
  03/24/18
Summer of 2001-- was the PR bort back then. Was looking for ...
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  03/24/18
"Law students are the fucking worst, these people are r...
contagious chapel
  03/24/18
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  03/24/18
did not understand what "180" meant for months (I'...
blue federal indian lodge
  03/24/18
Tasted like roadkill.
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  03/24/18
We need more OldHLSDude stories/poasts
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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:13 PM
Author: Bronze galvanic box office

The shrew poasts really got to me. The notion of the shrew is so deeply ingrained and treated as so self-evident here that it's an axiom at the core of bort's collective consciousness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35674931)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:15 PM
Author: Razzle cordovan milk native

people used to post fake links to tubgirl. thought that was kooky.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35674937)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:16 PM
Author: lake anal laser beams masturbator

It was fall of 2011. I had just been offered a 2L SA gig at a v10 firm and I thought I had set myself up for a life of prestige and prosperity. Smugly I searched the internet for vindication and validation and somehow stumbled onto this place. BOY WAS I IN FOR A SHOCK.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35674945)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:32 PM
Author: Dull reading party



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675020)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 9:30 AM
Author: Chestnut Appetizing Station Athletic Conference



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676623)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 10:50 AM
Author: grizzly titillating dopamine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676892)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 12:33 PM
Author: blue federal indian lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35677321)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:17 PM
Author: Deranged boyish set

i came over from princeton review it was a smooth transition

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35674952)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 9:22 AM
Author: Vengeful Drunken School Cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676602)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 9:30 AM
Author: Chestnut Appetizing Station Athletic Conference



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676624)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:19 PM
Author: Peach Frum Dog Poop

repulsed glee

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35674961)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:26 PM
Author: autistic corn cake people who are hurt

been here since 04. never felt a shock. just felt at home.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35674994)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:13 PM
Author: Massive mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675319)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:28 PM
Author: Purple Aggressive Senate Tank

Mostly just the shame of being so unprestigious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35674999)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:29 PM
Author: Dull reading party

no shock. immediately thought "this is who i am now"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675001)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:32 PM
Author: Passionate useless brakes



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675025)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 9:34 AM
Author: Stimulating gaping



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676630)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:30 PM
Author: Motley home

No shock. I posted on PR first.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675005)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:31 PM
Author: beady-eyed alcoholic philosopher-king market

I was linked here from a law school thread on 4chan's business & finance board. It was the spring of 2014 and there were lots of apparently nonsensical threads all over the board about "Jillian Beck UCLA" and "Liz Hawryluk UNC." Not sure why I kept coming back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675013)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:45 PM
Author: Provocative feces

Lmao how olde are you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675564)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:33 PM
Author: supple cobalt international law enforcement agency

Zero

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675026)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:34 PM
Author: naked magenta locale

Some of my early posting was on "phd in teenage Inuit suicide prevention", where I was mocking some loser in a coffee shop senior year of ug. Also had some even earlier posts on "Asian watching CNN as if they're American" from a lounge on campus junior year. Guess it all just made sense early on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675033)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:37 PM
Author: Vivacious house

i was offended by the constant use of the world "proles" by what i assumed to be a bunch of rich snooty lawyer types. how extremely wrong i was.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675058)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:12 PM
Author: thriller cyan cumskin

Confusion about how no one was posting about anything related to law; and why are most of the posts empty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675310)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 9:32 AM
Author: poppy university gaming laptop

prole tell.

prestigious law schools don't teach the law and prestigious legal discussion boards don't discuss the law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676626)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 10:51 AM
Author: thriller cyan cumskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676898)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:14 PM
Author: excitant fat ankles giraffe

I was terrified of expert mode

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675325)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:15 PM
Author: Mind-boggling Infuriating Factory Reset Button Toaster

The shittiness of the format. The first time I clicked on a link to AutoAdmit, I thought it was a bad link because a prestigious law board couldn't possibly look that primitive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675336)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:36 PM
Author: Fragrant Ratface Affirmative Action

It held no shock for me since I spent my formative years wasting time on similar forums, boards, groups, etc. They are all gone now. This won't last, either.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675497)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:58 PM
Author: Abusive bossy skinny woman

I've literally been posting here for over a decade.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675634)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 12:00 AM
Author: Stubborn Hominid Forum

xo is the most niche thing i've posted on, but honestly i thought the same thing about 4chan and something awful a decade and a half ago

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675646)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 9:19 AM
Author: Vivacious house

SA had like 100,000 members at one time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676586)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:42 PM
Author: vibrant hall

There actually used to be threads on the LSAT. Hilarious.

The racism was shocking, but the board leaned much more left in the mid-2000's. I remember trying to immigration thread once in 2007 and people asked me if I was serious.

Lurked at all of the Leiter and law suit stuff. Board was garbage for long stretches during 2011-2016. Surprisingly decent now. Trump seems to have helped

Edit: it also really helped when Rach came back for a bit and reenergized the place

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675539)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:43 PM
Author: Histrionic scourge upon the earth

lingo was weird but i was captivated by the discussion of law school lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675552)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:45 PM
Author: Fragrant Ratface Affirmative Action

Like The Paper Chase, but about the Asian Pacific American Law Students Association at Fordham Law.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675565)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:47 PM
Author: Histrionic scourge upon the earth

Lol i was actually surprised at the high level of discussion here. i had lurked on TLS before that. the law school advice here was much more cut and dry

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675580)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 10:49 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Medicated Space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676885)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:44 PM
Author: Stubborn Hominid Forum

didn't know why everyone was so obsessed with "niggers." then i moved to new york.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675560)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:50 PM
Author: Provocative feces

I was in shock at how vulgar and nasty very intelligent people in good jobs were. I was in college and i had always grown up trying to be "successful" since i grew up in a poor, mexican immigrant family. But i was captivated at the insight on life the bort had. I learned a lot here about investing, COL analysis, and liberals. I remember a thread called "you cant be more hipster than this chick" and i just laughed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675595)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:51 PM
Author: Pink fortuitous meteor pit

Found this place by hate-googling "strivers" and hitting the HAHAURFUCKED goldmine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675601)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:53 PM
Author: avocado main people death wish

Tame, b/c I didn't click EXPERT MODE until very recently. I thought the threads there were garbage. Now I'm playing in it!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675611)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:53 PM
Author: Marvelous son of senegal famous landscape painting

i had no clue what the fuck i was looking at. huge strings of blank bumps and also some unhinged spammer google bomb shit made me think that it was a dead bort that had been overrun by bots.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675612)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:54 PM
Author: Fragrant Ratface Affirmative Action



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675616)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:59 PM
Author: Histrionic scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675636)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 10:03 AM
Author: excitant fat ankles giraffe

that sounds accurate to me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676724)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 10:42 AM
Author: blue federal indian lodge

haha did not understand the blank bumps at first - kept thinking "why can't I see what these posts say???". After I figure it out, I started making my own blank bumps by writing "..." lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676854)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 10:42 AM
Author: Fragrant Ratface Affirmative Action



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676856)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 10:45 AM
Author: blue federal indian lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676869)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 10:53 AM
Author: thriller cyan cumskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676905)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 11:03 AM
Author: blue federal indian lodge

...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676928)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 10:52 AM
Author: Vengeful Drunken School Cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676903)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 12:34 PM
Author: Fragrant Ratface Affirmative Action



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35677324)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: Heady stag film

2007 or 2008. I was looking for law school application advice I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675652)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 12:54 AM
Author: ultramarine plaza

i think i asked a legit question about my background and getting into LS. the bort took it as a joke and was the first time I learned what "flame" was. It was all downhill from there

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675849)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 12:05 AM
Author: Amber Big Candlestick Maker Parlor

reading threw a turd at a nigger is when i realized xo is my spiritual home.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675675)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 12:12 AM
Author: Provocative feces

Go back to europe, pilgrim

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675710)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 12:18 AM
Author: Laughsome White Idiot

"Wow maybe these guys who openly say nigger can tell me something valuable about law school."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675730)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 10:05 AM
Author: excitant fat ankles giraffe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676731)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 12:47 AM
Author: Talented gold menage

entered right before ITE hit; first thought “why does this place look like such shit?”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35675823)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 9:22 AM
Author: Vengeful Drunken School Cafeteria

Shock? What shock?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676598)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 9:25 AM
Author: Talking sepia police squad address

This post sums it up nicely

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=934135&forum_id=2#10927848

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676610)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 9:29 AM
Author: Vengeful Drunken School Cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676622)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 9:31 AM
Author: Fragrant Ratface Affirmative Action



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676625)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 10:11 AM
Author: Demanding irradiated business firm

I recall that as I intended to graduate in the top 10% percent of my class that very little advice here applied to me.

I didn't come back until I graduated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676748)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 10:33 AM
Author: Diverse regret

Reminded me of an old forum I used to post on that was slowly dying, made me decide I really liked it here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676816)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 10:54 AM
Author: contagious chapel

I wanted to offer sage advice here. I tried a couple times, like a twat, and everyone told me to fuck off. lol xo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676909)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 11:07 AM
Author: effete plum becky orchestra pit

Summer of 2001-- was the PR bort back then. Was looking for guidance re law school. Was hooked. Showed the bort to my friend who was a lawyer and he said something like, "Law students are the fucking worst, these people are representative of the assholes you will deal with in law school." Didn't stop me from being an xo'er since. Mostly lurked tho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676950)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 11:09 AM
Author: contagious chapel

"Law students are the fucking worst, these people are representative of the assholes you will deal with in law school."

Reminds me of "it is a truth universally acknowledged that a man in possession of a fortune ...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676953)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 11:09 AM
Author: concupiscible internet-worthy coffee pot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676959)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 11:10 AM
Author: blue federal indian lodge

did not understand what "180" meant for months (I'm not a lwyer).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35676962)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 12:31 PM
Author: comical cuck

Tasted like roadkill.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35677309)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 12:34 PM
Author: Bronze galvanic box office

We need more OldHLSDude stories/poasts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3927410&forum_id=2#35677329)