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Wife is 7 months pregnant and wants to drink now, says it's safe. I won't let he

Her. Am I wrong?
Big Fat Ankles National
  03/27/18
Seems unnecessary
Duck-like Ungodly Depressive Stage
  03/27/18
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  03/27/18
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Dashing brunch party of the first part
  03/28/18
spin, ratfucks
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  03/28/18
Why did you marry an alcoholic
rebellious codepig stage
  03/27/18
It's a quotemo fetus, so there's really no more harm to be d...
underhanded ticket booth
  03/27/18
cr. OP push your wife down a stairwell and do the world a fa...
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  03/27/18
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Wonderful turquoise giraffe organic girlfriend
  03/27/18
A glass of wine is fine
Laughsome Meetinghouse
  03/27/18
*poison
Umber Soggy Field
  03/27/18
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  03/27/18
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  03/27/18
Start researching tard schools now for your tard baby. Even ...
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  03/27/18
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Racy masturbator
  03/27/18
flame
Umber Soggy Field
  03/27/18
what do you mean "drink"? a glass of wine is okay ...
Dun exciting location
  03/27/18
Lol a "glass of wine" is not ok you degenerate. Al...
white lascivious space yarmulke
  03/27/18
sure thing, autistic virgin faggot
Dun exciting location
  03/27/18
Lol at letting your wife do this to your baby. You're a piec...
white lascivious space yarmulke
  03/27/18
Jesus
copper whorehouse
  03/27/18
(imbecile)
Umber Soggy Field
  03/27/18
Wtf?
Ultramarine Passionate Gunner Nibblets
  03/27/18
(Nigger)
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  03/27/18
lol libs
bateful well-lubricated immigrant shrine
  03/27/18
babby is nearly formed at 7 mo
Blue 180 State Becky
  03/27/18
*gives alcohol to fully formed infant, no big deal*
Umber Soggy Field
  03/27/18
*gives glass of wine to formed baby*
concupiscible trump supporter casino
  03/27/18
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hairraiser saffron heaven
  03/27/18
*gives glass of poison to newborn*
hyperactive marvelous boistinker
  03/27/18
cr just give the kid some liquor bro
Pearly flatulent filthpig
  03/27/18
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pale beady-eyed dilemma toaster
  03/27/18
That's actually the MOST likely time to give the baby FAS.
Effete jew
  03/27/18
You're dead wrong. https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/developm...
Exhilarant Stain
  03/27/18
I'm getting trolled. not responding
Umber Soggy Field
  03/27/18
Lmao, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Insane Charismatic Point
  03/27/18
A glass of wine here or there is fine. Everyday? No. More th...
mind-boggling hall
  03/27/18
You are an irresponsible parent.
white lascivious space yarmulke
  03/27/18
Cr
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pale beady-eyed dilemma toaster
  03/27/18
every single time
bateful well-lubricated immigrant shrine
  03/27/18
why on earth would that be fine, especially if you acknowled...
Umber Soggy Field
  03/27/18
A small amount isn't harmful.
mind-boggling hall
  03/27/18
...
Racy masturbator
  03/27/18
Flame?
concupiscible trump supporter casino
  03/27/18
It’s simply not harmful. People drank like fishes during th...
Insane Charismatic Point
  03/27/18
Yeah and Gen X is really lighting the world on fire, isn't i...
opaque knife house
  03/28/18
believe this if you want, I guess, but be aware all of the e...
Umber Soggy Field
  03/27/18
https://www.rcog.org.uk/en/news/bjog-release-danish-studies-...
mind-boggling hall
  03/27/18
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2017/10/26/alcohol-safe-pregn...
Umber Soggy Field
  03/27/18
Yes, a study on pregnant rats is the same as a study of actu...
mind-boggling hall
  03/27/18
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/wr/mm6504a6.htm
Umber Soggy Field
  03/27/18
That's the same pregnant rat study. LJL
mind-boggling hall
  03/27/18
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fetal-alcohol-syndrome-more-com...
pale beady-eyed dilemma toaster
  03/27/18
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Insecure set
  03/27/18
“Animal studies are the best we have because we can’t do ran...
Umber Soggy Field
  03/27/18
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Insecure set
  03/27/18
MY wine night with the girls
Supple red reading party cumskin
  03/27/18
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white lascivious space yarmulke
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Umber Soggy Field
  03/27/18
lol cr oops we ordered bottomless mimosas!
hyperactive marvelous boistinker
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Ultramarine Passionate Gunner Nibblets
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Dashing brunch party of the first part
  03/28/18
my wife: scarfing down folic acid to ensure dat alpha asian ...
harsh appetizing international law enforcement agency
  03/27/18
Hmmm, odd mix of words there. Don't think I have heard the p...
Supple red reading party cumskin
  03/27/18
LJL whitey ur FUCKED in 20 years. Baizuo Europeans and Ameri...
harsh appetizing international law enforcement agency
  03/27/18
(r/asianmasculinity megapoaster)
hyperactive marvelous boistinker
  03/27/18
(guy that's with Her)
harsh appetizing international law enforcement agency
  03/27/18
Jokes on you friend. Folic acid in the womb has the effect (...
boyish locus liquid oxygen
  03/27/18
180. Makes my son easier to fit in and exploit whitey.
harsh appetizing international law enforcement agency
  03/27/18
Why even risk it at this point? 1 glass of wine isn't going ...
Histrionic Legend Dopamine
  03/27/18
it's her body you fucking bigot
Umber Soggy Field
  03/27/18
(handmaid's tale patriarch)
hyperactive marvelous boistinker
  03/27/18
Lol
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Histrionic Legend Dopamine
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bateful well-lubricated immigrant shrine
  03/27/18
Of course a glass of wine is fine. All Europeans do this. Th...
Yellow fragrant gay wizard
  03/27/18
It's conclusively not fine
Umber Soggy Field
  03/27/18
It is conclusively fine after the first trimester.
Insane Charismatic Point
  03/27/18
lmao@libs http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=392...
Drab Contagious Parlor
  03/27/18
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bateful well-lubricated immigrant shrine
  03/27/18
A glass of wine is fine. Doctors will tell you this.
Azure aromatic institution
  03/27/18
it is not fine https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/20...
Umber Soggy Field
  03/27/18
A study that published in the Journal of Epidemiology and Co...
Yellow fragrant gay wizard
  03/27/18
damn, past studies with narrow findings, I'm done here and y...
Umber Soggy Field
  03/27/18
statistically, a null result (not finding evidence that it c...
pale beady-eyed dilemma toaster
  03/27/18
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stimulating volcanic crater death wish
  03/28/18
Lol at that junk study you cited.
Yellow fragrant gay wizard
  03/27/18
(wetbrain)
hyperactive marvelous boistinker
  03/27/18
no amount of alcohol has been determined to be safe at any p...
sadistic address juggernaut
  03/27/18
A study that published in the Journal of Epidemiology and Co...
Yellow fragrant gay wizard
  03/27/18
Who cares? One glass of wine a week is literally worthless. ...
Histrionic Legend Dopamine
  03/27/18
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Insecure set
  03/27/18
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Insecure set
  03/27/18
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sapphire fiercely-loyal property
  03/27/18
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Yellow fragrant gay wizard
  03/27/18
Lol at you fags buttering it up with "glass of wine&quo...
Razzle mad cow disease
  03/27/18
LOL has OP made a post since starting this flaming fire?
Narrow-minded elastic band ratface
  03/27/18
this is an easy way to see who's white and who isn't OB/G...
vivacious chad pocket flask
  03/27/18
Asians apparently, too.
boyish locus liquid oxygen
  03/27/18
Asians have a cultural thing against painkillers. You can't ...
Federal Degenerate Son Of Senegal
  03/27/18
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Racy masturbator
  03/27/18
The benefits of red wine are shrew flame. Zero epidemiologic...
Insecure set
  03/27/18
It’s amazing the lengths people will go to convince themselv...
Insecure set
  03/27/18
...
Racy masturbator
  03/27/18
JFC at the childless neckbeards ITT. By the third trimest...
Exhilarant Stain
  03/27/18
Okay but what's the point of having one glass of wine? And d...
hyperactive marvelous boistinker
  03/27/18
A large percentage of people enjoy having just one glass of ...
Yellow fragrant gay wizard
  03/27/18
You are proving my point. Responsible white women who want a...
Exhilarant Stain
  03/27/18
BTW, let's imagine what the board reaction would be if you s...
Exhilarant Stain
  03/27/18
jfc dude I'm not calling for banning alcohol among pregnant ...
hyperactive marvelous boistinker
  03/27/18
Why should it be legal if it provides no benefit?!?! What if...
Exhilarant Stain
  03/27/18
I'm not calling for criminalization of wineshrews. Please st...
hyperactive marvelous boistinker
  03/27/18
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Insecure set
  03/27/18
I am.
Drab Contagious Parlor
  03/27/18
Cr, wineshrews need to get to jail, pregnant or not.
Insane Charismatic Point
  03/27/18
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Trip cobalt market shitlib
  03/27/18
cr for people who constantly bleat about preserving Europ...
vivacious chad pocket flask
  03/27/18
ah yes, the time-honored European cultural norm of pregnant ...
Histrionic Legend Dopamine
  03/27/18
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Insecure set
  03/27/18
lol cr they say a glass of wine on "special occasions&q...
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Racy masturbator
  03/27/18
Who gives a fuck about Europeans dude. Why would you unn...
Insecure set
  03/27/18
Guess you should just stay home during pregnancy and never d...
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Racy masturbator
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  03/27/18
lol what??
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Insecure set
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Dashing brunch party of the first part
  03/28/18
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Racy masturbator
  03/27/18
Have you considered that the risk/reward calculus of transpo...
Insecure set
  03/27/18
Link to the risk of birth defects or any adverse consequence...
Exhilarant Stain
  03/27/18
We have animal models suggesting no dose is safe. Obviou...
Insecure set
  03/27/18
You would advise that because you are a know-nothing retard....
Exhilarant Stain
  03/27/18
Well I’d be concerned more than just the cancer risk (e.g. l...
Insecure set
  03/27/18
Your question was “why cause unnecessary harm to the fetus?”...
Narrow-minded elastic band ratface
  03/27/18
"This should be measured against the reward to women of...
Drab Contagious Parlor
  03/27/18
I have no idea what your background is but I’m almost certai...
Insecure set
  03/27/18
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Swashbuckling range wagecucks
  03/27/18
The methodology for the facial deformity study is garbage. A...
claret mad-dog skullcap
  03/27/18
I agree any effect would be small. I also think it’s sensele...
Insecure set
  03/28/18
Eh, life's about risks, and as you cogently explained down-t...
claret mad-dog skullcap
  03/28/18
So let me stop shitposting for a second and be serious. ...
Insecure set
  03/28/18
Also I looked at the meta-analysis and it does not exactly f...
Insecure set
  03/28/18
Agreed that in the absence of direct evidence, we should loo...
claret mad-dog skullcap
  03/28/18
>> Your question was “why cause unnecessary harm to th...
Histrionic Legend Dopamine
  03/27/18
Exactly. Although I wouldn’t say “at some point it’s bad...
Insecure set
  03/27/18
By this logic, tapping a pregnant woman on the stomach must ...
claret mad-dog skullcap
  03/27/18
I’m pretty sure there’s a threshold effect there homie.
Insecure set
  03/28/18
That's my point.
claret mad-dog skullcap
  03/28/18
Right, but how much do you want to bet the threshold for boo...
Insecure set
  03/28/18
(actually it is even worse, because we have decent evidence ...
claret mad-dog skullcap
  03/27/18
Iirc it may be slightly cardioprotective, but you’re trading...
Insecure set
  03/28/18
I have no idea how you are quantifying any of this. Seems li...
claret mad-dog skullcap
  03/28/18
Are you positing another mechanism for the purported health ...
Insecure set
  03/28/18
No, I was responding to "not a good deal overall."...
claret mad-dog skullcap
  03/28/18
consider the other side of the equation as well. Nutella is ...
Drab Contagious Parlor
  03/27/18
TCR. These toolboxes obviously don't have kids. Crossing the...
Exhilarant Stain
  03/27/18
I’m not sure arguments of the form “here are some risks we c...
Insecure set
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...
hyperactive marvelous boistinker
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Racy masturbator
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Swashbuckling range wagecucks
  03/27/18
My future pregnant wife won't be allowed to eat. The threat ...
Histrionic Legend Dopamine
  03/27/18
lol cmon bro, you can't be serious.
sapphire fiercely-loyal property
  03/27/18
Im normally on your side nutella but haha wow holy shit
crystalline boltzmann base
  03/27/18
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2133639-drinking-small-...
Salmon Provocative Messiness Gaping
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shimmering hospital quadroon
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"Analysing these revealed subtle differences in the fac...
Useless cream stag film
  03/27/18
No need to worry Halliday says women who have drunk a littl...
claret mad-dog skullcap
  03/27/18
Cr.
claret mad-dog skullcap
  03/27/18
It's "probably" fine to let my 5 year old ride in ...
Drab Contagious Parlor
  03/27/18
Health organisations generally recommend that pregnant women...
Insecure set
  03/27/18
lol @ the non-risk averse faggot apologists ITT
sapphire fiercely-loyal property
  03/27/18
Consider also who gets the benefits, and who shoulders the r...
Insecure set
  03/27/18
Lol at this incomprehensible dreck.
Exhilarant Stain
  03/27/18
...
Swashbuckling range wagecucks
  03/27/18
How do you know that moderate alcohol has no benefits for th...
Yellow fragrant gay wizard
  03/27/18
Link to “huge benefits”? There’s some evidence it’s slightly...
Insecure set
  03/28/18
so fucking stupid, cost-benefit analysis clearly weighs in f...
excitant gaming laptop tanning salon
  03/27/18
...
Insecure set
  03/27/18
Wrong
Insane Charismatic Point
  03/27/18
My wife has a friend of a friend who is trashy as hell. We'v...
godawful crackhouse persian
  03/27/18
I just don't understand why you would risk it, as a mother. ...
sapphire fiercely-loyal property
  03/27/18
But but but *inserts 30 white women wine memes*
godawful crackhouse persian
  03/27/18
A single glass of wine or beer consumed slowly is NBD after ...
Insane Charismatic Point
  03/27/18
1. “Analysing these [70K faces] revealed subtle differences ...
Rusted cruise ship
  03/27/18
Volume of alcohol drunk in those studies? Virtually all stud...
Insane Charismatic Point
  03/27/18
Congrats on the 7. How far along is she?
curious amber corner jap
  03/27/18
Dat cancel
Insane Charismatic Point
  03/27/18
Just going to leave this here... https://www.cosmopolitan...
Yellow fragrant gay wizard
  03/27/18
While researching her controversial bookExpecting Better: Wh...
Yellow fragrant gay wizard
  03/27/18
Oster is a hard autist. Like a female Bryan Caplan
Drab Contagious Parlor
  03/27/18
How did xo not read this book when it came out? It got a ny ...
claret mad-dog skullcap
  03/27/18
Lol at all the people in this thread remembering their prole...
Yellow fragrant gay wizard
  03/27/18
ATD
bateful well-lubricated immigrant shrine
  03/27/18
The problem with threads like these is that xo men don't see...
charcoal razzle-dazzle puppy theatre
  03/28/18
spin, ratfucks
Ebony Dingle Berry Patrolman
  03/28/18
...
Racy masturbator
  03/28/18
This is retarded. It's about self control and the desire to ...
godawful crackhouse persian
  03/28/18
Agreed it is silly to suggest men cannot relate, except I su...
claret mad-dog skullcap
  03/28/18
I didn't say men can't relate, I said xo men don't care abou...
charcoal razzle-dazzle puppy theatre
  03/28/18
I literally search high and low for the BIGGEST COCKS to giv...
hyperactive marvelous boistinker
  03/28/18
This is not true at all. It's not like men are saying pre...
Histrionic Legend Dopamine
  03/28/18
cr
hyperactive marvelous boistinker
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Drab Contagious Parlor
  03/28/18
lmfao at this pigeon-brained nonsense
sapphire fiercely-loyal property
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...
motley piazza dysfunction
  03/28/18
This is stupid. Would the same apply to eating raw soft chee...
Wonderful turquoise giraffe organic girlfriend
  03/28/18
spin, ratfucks
Ebony Dingle Berry Patrolman
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Date: March 27th, 2018 8:37 AM
Author: Big Fat Ankles National

Her. Am I wrong?

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Date: March 27th, 2018 8:38 AM
Author: Duck-like Ungodly Depressive Stage

Seems unnecessary

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Date: March 27th, 2018 8:38 AM
Author: Racy masturbator



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Date: March 27th, 2018 8:50 AM
Author: Vibrant offensive queen of the night



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:28 AM
Author: copper whorehouse



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:06 AM
Author: Black Jewess Affirmative Action



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:55 AM
Author: Drab Contagious Parlor



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Date: March 27th, 2018 6:34 PM
Author: bateful well-lubricated immigrant shrine



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Date: March 28th, 2018 4:16 AM
Author: Dashing brunch party of the first part



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Date: March 28th, 2018 4:18 AM
Author: Ebony Dingle Berry Patrolman

spin, ratfucks

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Date: March 27th, 2018 8:39 AM
Author: rebellious codepig stage

Why did you marry an alcoholic

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Date: March 27th, 2018 8:39 AM
Author: underhanded ticket booth

It's a quotemo fetus, so there's really no more harm to be done.

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Date: March 27th, 2018 8:47 AM
Author: hairraiser saffron heaven

cr. OP push your wife down a stairwell and do the world a favor

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Date: March 27th, 2018 8:40 AM
Author: Wonderful turquoise giraffe organic girlfriend

Lmao sorry for your lots

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Date: March 27th, 2018 8:40 AM
Author: Laughsome Meetinghouse

A glass of wine is fine

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Date: March 27th, 2018 8:43 AM
Author: Umber Soggy Field

*poison

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Date: March 27th, 2018 8:48 AM
Author: hairraiser saffron heaven



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:12 PM
Author: chocolate candlestick maker ladyboy



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Date: March 27th, 2018 8:42 AM
Author: Trip cobalt market shitlib

Start researching tard schools now for your tard baby. Even if you disallow her, she's going to drink while you're at work.

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Date: March 27th, 2018 8:43 AM
Author: Racy masturbator



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Date: March 27th, 2018 8:43 AM
Author: Umber Soggy Field

flame

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Date: March 27th, 2018 8:43 AM
Author: Dun exciting location

what do you mean "drink"? a glass of wine is okay but is she trying to put down a six pack or something?

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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:20 AM
Author: white lascivious space yarmulke

Lol a "glass of wine" is not ok you degenerate. Alcohol is bad for a baby.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698416)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:23 AM
Author: Dun exciting location

sure thing, autistic virgin faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698436)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:24 AM
Author: white lascivious space yarmulke

Lol at letting your wife do this to your baby. You're a piece of shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698445)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:29 AM
Author: copper whorehouse

Jesus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698477)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:30 AM
Author: Umber Soggy Field

(imbecile)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698483)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:30 AM
Author: Ultramarine Passionate Gunner Nibblets

Wtf?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698485)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:31 AM
Author: concupiscible trump supporter casino

(Nigger)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698490)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 6:35 PM
Author: bateful well-lubricated immigrant shrine

lol libs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35703417)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:32 AM
Author: Blue 180 State Becky

babby is nearly formed at 7 mo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698495)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:33 AM
Author: Umber Soggy Field

*gives alcohol to fully formed infant, no big deal*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698499)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:33 AM
Author: concupiscible trump supporter casino

*gives glass of wine to formed baby*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698500)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:46 AM
Author: hairraiser saffron heaven



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698612)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:40 AM
Author: hyperactive marvelous boistinker

*gives glass of poison to newborn*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698556)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:19 AM
Author: Pearly flatulent filthpig

cr just give the kid some liquor bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699360)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:49 AM
Author: pale beady-eyed dilemma toaster



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699078)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:16 AM
Author: Effete jew

That's actually the MOST likely time to give the baby FAS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698393)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:17 AM
Author: Exhilarant Stain

You're dead wrong.

https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/developmental-timeline-alcohol-induced-birth-defects

The critical time period is three weeks after fertilization. Baby is fully cooked by 7 months and 1-3 glasses per week is fine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698845)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:20 AM
Author: Umber Soggy Field

I'm getting trolled. not responding

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698872)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:10 PM
Author: Insane Charismatic Point

Lmao, you have no idea what you are talking about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700823)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:18 AM
Author: mind-boggling hall

A glass of wine here or there is fine. Everyday? No. More than one? No.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698403)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:22 AM
Author: white lascivious space yarmulke

You are an irresponsible parent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698427)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:22 AM
Author: gold maniacal garrison

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698432)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:26 AM
Author: Racy masturbator



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698456)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:27 AM
Author: Ultramarine Passionate Gunner Nibblets



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698463)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:28 AM
Author: Lemon coldplay fan



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698471)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:32 AM
Author: concupiscible trump supporter casino



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698494)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:42 AM
Author: sadistic address juggernaut



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698576)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:50 AM
Author: pale beady-eyed dilemma toaster



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699085)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 6:35 PM
Author: bateful well-lubricated immigrant shrine

every single time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35703427)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:30 AM
Author: Umber Soggy Field

why on earth would that be fine, especially if you acknowledge that it's harmful?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698481)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:35 AM
Author: mind-boggling hall

A small amount isn't harmful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698517)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:36 AM
Author: Racy masturbator



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698527)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:37 AM
Author: concupiscible trump supporter casino

Flame?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698530)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:11 PM
Author: Insane Charismatic Point

It’s simply not harmful. People drank like fishes during the 60s and 70s. I don’t think modern kids are ubermenschen.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700841)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:37 AM
Author: opaque knife house

Yeah and Gen X is really lighting the world on fire, isn't it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35707465)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:37 AM
Author: Umber Soggy Field

believe this if you want, I guess, but be aware all of the evidence disagrees

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698531)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:38 AM
Author: mind-boggling hall

https://www.rcog.org.uk/en/news/bjog-release-danish-studies-suggest-low-and-moderate-drinking-in-early-pregnancy-has-no-adverse-effects-on-children-aged-five/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698546)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:39 AM
Author: Umber Soggy Field

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2017/10/26/alcohol-safe-pregnancy/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698552)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:41 AM
Author: mind-boggling hall

Yes, a study on pregnant rats is the same as a study of actual women and their children. LJL at you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698562)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:42 AM
Author: Umber Soggy Field

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/wr/mm6504a6.htm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698574)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:43 AM
Author: mind-boggling hall

That's the same pregnant rat study. LJL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698579)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:52 AM
Author: pale beady-eyed dilemma toaster

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fetal-alcohol-syndrome-more-common-than-previously-thought-study/

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2133639-drinking-small-amounts-while-pregnant-may-affect-the-babys-face/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699104)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:58 AM
Author: Insecure set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699152)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:44 AM
Author: Umber Soggy Field

“Animal studies are the best we have because we can’t do randomized controlled trials on human pregnant women,” he points out. “Ultimately, the rat model is pretty good as far as evidence.”

Women’s health expert Jennifer Wider, MD, agrees. “This study and several others like it, are highlighting the fact that environmental effects on fetal development are important with respect to emotional and behavioral outcomes, not just physical outcomes,”



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698597)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:57 AM
Author: Insecure set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699147)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:24 AM
Author: Supple red reading party cumskin

MY wine night with the girls

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698449)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:25 AM
Author: white lascivious space yarmulke



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698452)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:26 AM
Author: Umber Soggy Field



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698458)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:27 AM
Author: hyperactive marvelous boistinker

lol cr

oops we ordered bottomless mimosas!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698464)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:28 AM
Author: Ultramarine Passionate Gunner Nibblets



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698470)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:34 AM
Author: sapphire fiercely-loyal property



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698507)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 4:18 AM
Author: Dashing brunch party of the first part



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35706940)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:28 AM
Author: harsh appetizing international law enforcement agency

my wife: scarfing down folic acid to ensure dat alpha asian genetics are carried on

u: LJL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698476)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:30 AM
Author: Supple red reading party cumskin

Hmmm, odd mix of words there. Don't think I have heard the phrase "alpha asian genetics" before.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698486)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:31 AM
Author: harsh appetizing international law enforcement agency

LJL whitey ur FUCKED in 20 years. Baizuo Europeans and Americans are gonna get cucked by CHINAMAN

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698489)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:34 AM
Author: hyperactive marvelous boistinker

(r/asianmasculinity megapoaster)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698512)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:03 AM
Author: harsh appetizing international law enforcement agency

(guy that's with Her)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698768)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:14 AM
Author: boyish locus liquid oxygen

Jokes on you friend. Folic acid in the womb has the effect (desired I'm sure on your wife's part) of lightening a baby's skin.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698830)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:49 AM
Author: harsh appetizing international law enforcement agency

180. Makes my son easier to fit in and exploit whitey.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699081)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:32 AM
Author: Histrionic Legend Dopamine

Why even risk it at this point? 1 glass of wine isn't going to do much for the wife anyway. She can drink in 2 months time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698493)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:33 AM
Author: Umber Soggy Field

it's her body you fucking bigot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698501)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:35 AM
Author: hyperactive marvelous boistinker

(handmaid's tale patriarch)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698518)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:36 AM
Author: concupiscible trump supporter casino

Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698523)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:36 AM
Author: Histrionic Legend Dopamine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698525)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:46 AM
Author: Razzle mad cow disease



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698608)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 6:36 PM
Author: bateful well-lubricated immigrant shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35703441)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:37 AM
Author: Yellow fragrant gay wizard

Of course a glass of wine is fine. All Europeans do this. They only tell pregnant women not o drink because if proles have 1 they end up having 10.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698535)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:38 AM
Author: Umber Soggy Field

It's conclusively not fine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698548)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:12 PM
Author: Insane Charismatic Point

It is conclusively fine after the first trimester.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700850)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:59 AM
Author: Drab Contagious Parlor

lmao@libs

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3925654&mc=22&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699161)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: bateful well-lubricated immigrant shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35703445)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:39 AM
Author: Azure aromatic institution

A glass of wine is fine. Doctors will tell you this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698550)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:40 AM
Author: Umber Soggy Field

it is not fine

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-10/bu-tin102417.php

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698558)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:44 AM
Author: Yellow fragrant gay wizard

A study that published in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health in 2010 found that children of mothers who drink one or two glasses of alcoholic beverages per week or per occasion during pregnancy were not at an increased risk of behavioral or cognitive problems by age 5.

In 2013, a study published in the journal BMJ Open found no evidence to indicate that a mother's moderate alcohol consumption during pregnancy had an adverse effect on her child's ability to balance, a sign of neurological development, at age 10.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698596)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:46 AM
Author: Umber Soggy Field

damn, past studies with narrow findings, I'm done here and you are worth it!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698616)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:59 AM
Author: pale beady-eyed dilemma toaster

statistically, a null result (not finding evidence that it causes harm) is not the same as a finding of significance (finding evidence that it doesn't cause harm).

a null result can happen because there is no real effect, or it can happen beause the study is underpowered to detect the effect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699162)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 5:16 AM
Author: stimulating volcanic crater death wish



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35707026)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:45 AM
Author: Yellow fragrant gay wizard

Lol at that junk study you cited.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698604)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:42 AM
Author: hyperactive marvelous boistinker

(wetbrain)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698568)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:44 AM
Author: sadistic address juggernaut

no amount of alcohol has been determined to be safe at any point during pregnancy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698584)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:44 AM
Author: Yellow fragrant gay wizard

A study that published in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health in 2010 found that children of mothers who drink one or two glasses of alcoholic beverages per week or per occasion during pregnancy were not at an increased risk of behavioral or cognitive problems by age 5.

In 2013, a study published in the journal BMJ Open found no evidence to indicate that a mother's moderate alcohol consumption during pregnancy had an adverse effect on her child's ability to balance, a sign of neurological development, at age 10.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698599)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:06 AM
Author: Histrionic Legend Dopamine

Who cares? One glass of wine a week is literally worthless. Might as well not have it and avoid any potential issues.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698793)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:23 AM
Author: Insecure set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698883)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:20 AM
Author: Insecure set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698871)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:09 AM
Author: sapphire fiercely-loyal property



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699252)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:44 AM
Author: Yellow fragrant gay wizard



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698587)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 9:45 AM
Author: Razzle mad cow disease

Lol at you fags buttering it up with "glass of wine" like a shot of jager would be out of the question

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698603)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:10 AM
Author: Narrow-minded elastic band ratface

LOL has OP made a post since starting this flaming fire?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698817)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:18 AM
Author: vivacious chad pocket flask

this is an easy way to see who's white and who isn't

OB/GYNs tell white pregnant women all the time that 1-2 glasses of red wine a week after the first trimester is not only fine, but could even have some mild benefits

OB/GYNs tell non-white pregnant women that there is a strict prohibition because they don't trust them

this is a known phenomenon. similar reason why blacks don't have problems with the opioid crisis. doctors didn't think their pain was real so they didn't prescribe them opioids.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698852)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:19 AM
Author: boyish locus liquid oxygen

Asians apparently, too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698861)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:22 AM
Author: Federal Degenerate Son Of Senegal

Asians have a cultural thing against painkillers. You can't get painkillers for labor unless your doctor decides you really need it for labor in Japan.

http://scmp.com/lifestyle/health/article/1011419/why-asians-prefer-tough-it-out-resort-painkillers?amp=1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698882)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:21 AM
Author: Racy masturbator



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698876)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:22 AM
Author: Insecure set

The benefits of red wine are shrew flame. Zero epidemiological evidence to suggest drinking during pregnancy has positive effects, as far as I can tell.

People giving this advice are hilariously bad at risk/reward calculus.

Don’t drink during pregnancy you utter morons.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698881)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:25 AM
Author: Insecure set

It’s amazing the lengths people will go to convince themselves that the selfish, hedonistic activities they want to undertake are “healthy.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698894)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:26 AM
Author: Racy masturbator



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698898)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:25 AM
Author: Exhilarant Stain

JFC at the childless neckbeards ITT.

By the third trimester, 1-2--or even THREE--glasses of wine a week is fine. Not every day, and not back to back, but spaced out.

LJL at this boart bucking conventional wisdom on nearly everything, but clutching their pearls when someone suggests it is OK to do what 90% of europeans and Australians do during pregnancy. Of course you can't prove that drinking alcohol during pregnancy is safer than not drinking any, but the risk of light drinking is minimal. The "alcohol is poison" approach is just what you have to tell dumb proles who lie about how much they drink so they don't binge drink during pregnancy. I bet you retards think straight men get HIV from women?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698895)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:28 AM
Author: hyperactive marvelous boistinker

Okay but what's the point of having one glass of wine? And do you think shrews might use this as justification to have more than that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698917)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:42 AM
Author: Yellow fragrant gay wizard

A large percentage of people enjoy having just one glass of wine. They aren’t all alkies like you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699018)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:43 AM
Author: Exhilarant Stain

You are proving my point. Responsible white women who want a glass of wine during pregnancy do stop at one glass. It is proles and alcoholics who don't, which are the reason for the prevailing "NOT ONE DROP" rule in the U.S. Although the two doctors my wife has seen during her pregnancies in MFH have all said light drinking (1-3 drinks per week after the second trimester) is fine. So not sure how "prevailing" this advice is anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699021)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:45 AM
Author: Exhilarant Stain

BTW, let's imagine what the board reaction would be if you said "what's the point of having more than one gun?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699046)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:57 AM
Author: hyperactive marvelous boistinker

jfc dude I'm not calling for banning alcohol among pregnant women

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699139)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:58 AM
Author: Exhilarant Stain

Why should it be legal if it provides no benefit?!?! What if they can't just stop at one?!?!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699155)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:01 AM
Author: hyperactive marvelous boistinker

I'm not calling for criminalization of wineshrews. Please state your IQ.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699185)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:06 AM
Author: Insecure set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699229)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:08 AM
Author: Drab Contagious Parlor

I am.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699241)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:14 PM
Author: Insane Charismatic Point

Cr, wineshrews need to get to jail, pregnant or not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700863)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 6:14 PM
Author: Trip cobalt market shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35703224)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:29 AM
Author: vivacious chad pocket flask

cr

for people who constantly bleat about preserving European cultural norms these tards sure don't like them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698922)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:30 AM
Author: Histrionic Legend Dopamine

ah yes, the time-honored European cultural norm of pregnant women having a glass of Rose once a week at brunch. truly the linchpin that held together the continent for hundreds of years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698934)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:34 AM
Author: Insecure set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698958)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 6:48 PM
Author: amethyst dragon milk

lol cr they say a glass of wine on "special occasions" isn't a big deal not that regular drinking is ok

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35703552)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:30 AM
Author: Racy masturbator



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698933)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:32 AM
Author: Insecure set

Who gives a fuck about Europeans dude.

Why would you unnecessarily risk harm to your child?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35698947)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:41 AM
Author: Narrow-minded elastic band ratface

Guess you should just stay home during pregnancy and never drive to the movies or anywhere non-essential because you might get into a car accident (as I did while pregnant).

Why cause unnecessary risk to the fetus by driving? Because it’s not like stress and unhappiness in the mother has any negative effects on the fetus at all. *blank stare*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699011)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:43 AM
Author: Racy masturbator



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699024)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:45 AM
Author: motley piazza dysfunction



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699052)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:43 AM
Author: Histrionic Legend Dopamine

lol what??

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699030)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:44 AM
Author: Racy masturbator



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699036)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:48 AM
Author: Insecure set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699069)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:04 PM
Author: Swashbuckling range wagecucks



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700764)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 4:21 AM
Author: Dashing brunch party of the first part



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35706950)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:44 AM
Author: Racy masturbator



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699044)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:47 AM
Author: Insecure set

Have you considered that the risk/reward calculus of transportation and booze are different?

Come on, you’re smarter than this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699065)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:50 AM
Author: Exhilarant Stain

Link to the risk of birth defects or any adverse consequences from 1-2 glasses of wine in the third trimester? I'll wait.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699086)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:54 AM
Author: Insecure set

We have animal models suggesting no dose is safe.

Obviously this is hard to study in humans because we can’t do RCTs and the observational studies are going to be underpowered and make detecting causal effects difficult. But the biological mechanisms are pretty well understood. It’s not like alcohol magically stops being poisonous if consumed in only small quantities. It’s just a question of the size of the effect.

I would similarly advise against healthy people smoking a single cigarette per day, despite the lack of any studies showing that such a mild dose is harmful (IIRC).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699119)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:00 AM
Author: Exhilarant Stain

You would advise that because you are a know-nothing retard. A single cigarette a day has never been shown to cause cancer. All your arguments are based on the unwarranted assumption that people don't do what they are saying they do. (i.e., that a mom would have more than one drink)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699173)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:04 AM
Author: Insecure set

Well I’d be concerned more than just the cancer risk (e.g. lung function, addiction).

But yeah I think it’s weird you think a cig a day would be OK just because “it’s never been shown” to be harmful. Turn your brain on.

I’m also not making any behavioral arguments so idk why you think that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699210)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:06 AM
Author: Narrow-minded elastic band ratface

Your question was “why cause unnecessary harm to the fetus?” My point was there are tons of behaviors that could cause harm to the fetus.

If you’re now saying there is a risk/reward calculus, then I’d like to know studies that show a few drinks here and there is more likely than not to cause harm to the fetus in the 3rd trimester. And I’m not talking about generic CDC recommendations aimed at tards with no impulse control. My OBGYN laughs at those guidelines. This should be measured against the reward to women of enjoying a glass of wine with dinner when they’re 7 months pregnant.

Also, if the thread title was: “my 7 month pregnant wife just ate an entire dominos pizza for dinner” there wasn’t be the same handwringing. People would make fun of her being a fat slob but nobody would be saying “omg your fetus is deformed” when in reality eating like shit during pregnancy is far more likely to cause long term effects than having some wine.

I suggest you read the book “expecting better” which is written by an economist which pools the studies regarding various risks during pregnancy. It is telling that this thread is great bait for self righteous childlessmos who can’t get a woman to actually breed with them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699228)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:19 AM
Author: Drab Contagious Parlor

"This should be measured against the reward to women of enjoying a glass of wine with dinner when they’re 7 months pregnant."

I agree wholeheartedly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699358)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:23 AM
Author: Insecure set

I have no idea what your background is but I’m almost certainly more qualified to assess risk and epidemiological evidence in this situation.

Meta-analyzing underpowered observational studies doesn’t impress me for obvious reasons.

The animal models (and also the facial deformity study linked above) make it pretty clear no dose is without adverse effects.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699394)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:05 PM
Author: Swashbuckling range wagecucks



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700769)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:16 PM
Author: claret mad-dog skullcap

The methodology for the facial deformity study is garbage. And in any event it is not specific to parents who actually do controlled drinking.

Animal models are not impressive.

Many people drink during late pregnancy apparently without incident, such that one would think any effect would be small.

Most mothers will of course want to follow the precautionary principle, since that's the nature of motherhood. (Usually...) But it seems doubtful nutella'a kids face some huge risk.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700885)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:44 PM
Author: Insecure set

I agree any effect would be small. I also think it’s senseless to risk that effect.

Also lol at this hate on animal studies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35710239)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:53 PM
Author: claret mad-dog skullcap

Eh, life's about risks, and as you cogently explained down-thread, the risk really falls on someone else, so #YOLO. (Flesh of my flesh but not skin of my game).

I'm not a hater on animal studies generally, but they don't seem super-compelling as to the precise Q at issue here.

Available meta-analyses seem to agree (I don't think this dispute is worth going doing a real lit-review over, just wanted to white-knight nutella as part of a multi-stage plan to get her to hire me inhouse):

https://academic.oup.com/alcalc/article/38/4/295/232265

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35710300)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 3:04 PM
Author: Insecure set

So let me stop shitposting for a second and be serious.

Here’s my problem with concluding booze is safe in limited amounts from current research. I think meta-analysis presents us with a garbage in, garbage out situation. We both agree the effect, if it exists, is going to be small, and these meta-analyses involve observational studies with huge sources of noise from other things. I think they are underpowered to detect a small but potentially practically significant effect. (Although I have not examined them closely and am open to being corrected on this point.)

In absence of good direct evidence, I look to indirect evidence, such as animal studies. And if, In those controlled settings, we can detect an effect from small amounts of booze ... that seems like something to be concerned about. Maybe. Given booze is far from a necessary part of life I see no reason to risk it. Maybe if the mother literally could not function and work without it the calculus would change, but I don’t think most people are like that.

Also as I noted by copy/pasting a Taleb book review below, I think the distribution of risk/reward here skews the decision making.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35710384)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 3:13 PM
Author: Insecure set

Also I looked at the meta-analysis and it does not exactly fill me with confidence that low-volume drinking is safe for the fetus.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35710434)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 6:15 PM
Author: claret mad-dog skullcap

Agreed that in the absence of direct evidence, we should look to indirect evidence. The best indirect evidence here is that many mothers drink, but few notice effects; and many researchers have tried to find an effect of low to moderate drinking in late pregnancy, but they have by and large failed (see, e.g, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4575046/ ; https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17233797/ ; http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/7/7/e015410 ).

What is needed - absent an interventional study - is a larger prospective study in humans, which controls for the various confounds that might be masking an effect.

As things stand, EVEN CONTROLLING FOR SES, meta-analyses suggest leave open the possibility there's a _beneficial_ effect of low-moderate drinking --- I suspect this is due to other confounds not fully captured by SES, but who knows. [Still, it's not like the sign flipped when they only looked at studies controlling for SES].

QUOTE ( source - https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/acer.12214 )

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In a separate meta‐analysis based on 7 studies with NOS scores of 6 or more including approximately 26,100 children, we observed a statistically significant, albeit small, beneficial association between mild‐to‐moderate prenatal alcohol exposure and cognition (Cohen's d 0.04; 95% CI, 0.00, 0.08; p = 0.03; Fig. 2). None of the associations observed in the individual studies in this subanalysis were statistically significant. Although not statistically significant, the direction of 1 study, by Brown and colleagues (2010), was opposite to the others and another, by Kelly and colleagues (2009), was centered at zero among girls, but not boys.

This association between mild‐to‐moderate prenatal alcohol exposure and cognition was of similar magnitude, but no longer significant in a post hoc analysis considering only the 6 studies that controlled for SES (excluding a study by Alati et al. [2008] that accounted for SES in published analyses including individuals with heavy prenatal alcohol exposure, but not in published analyses that met our inclusion criteria; Cohen's d 0.04; 95% CI, −0.01, 0.09; p = 0.08). The association with cognition also was not significant when including only studies that assessed moderate alcohol consumption (Fig. S1), even when limiting these studies to those that were of “high quality.”

When including studies of all quality scores, we observed a significant detrimental association between binge prenatal alcohol exposure and child cognition (Cohen's d &#8722;0.13; 95% CI, &#8722;0.21, &#8722;0.05; p < 0.01; Fig. 2). This analysis used data on children aged 6 months to 14 years from 8 studies (n & 10,000). The results of this meta&#8208;analysis were borderline significant when limited to data from studies of high quality (n & 9,000, p = 0.054).

*******

You propose a precautionary principle, one strengthened by the notion that the mother is acting as (in essence) a fiduciary for someone else who doesn't have a say in the matter. A glib response: it's plausible there's a hormetic effect at low levels, such that the precautionary principle would _mandate_ low levels of alcohol consumption.

A less glib response: my decision principle here would be that you should weigh your utility function from drinking, including the extent (if any) to which you take your offspring into account), against the potential harm to the child. Nobody follows the precautionary principle, in which any potential for harm means you must abstain entirely, in any area of life that's not morally-loaded. Nor is it ever (logically) applied in the obverse, such that it is a positive injunction to do every action which may have some benefit. That is because they are unworkable in reality, on account of there's too much stuff going on.

So while my wife didn't drink during her pregnancies, I'm sanguine about nutella's behavior here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35711748)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:25 AM
Author: Histrionic Legend Dopamine

>> Your question was “why cause unnecessary harm to the fetus?” My point was there are tons of behaviors that could cause harm to the fetus. <<

Sure, but come on your example of a car accident didn't make sense.

We know alcohol is bad for an unborn baby -- the only question it seems is the amount and frequency. At some point it's bad and then at another point it's disastrous.

Driving is not nearly the same thing because some amount of driving is not per se bad for an unborn baby.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699412)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:28 AM
Author: Insecure set

Exactly.

Although I wouldn’t say “at some point it’s bad” — the effect is probably continuous. It’s just easier to detect in studies at higher drinking volumes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699436)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:18 PM
Author: claret mad-dog skullcap

By this logic, tapping a pregnant woman on the stomach must be harmful because punching her in the stomach would be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700909)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:42 PM
Author: Insecure set

I’m pretty sure there’s a threshold effect there homie.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35710222)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:44 PM
Author: claret mad-dog skullcap

That's my point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35710234)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:46 PM
Author: Insecure set

Right, but how much do you want to bet the threshold for booze is above one glass of wine? Your child’s IQ? That’s my point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35710252)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:20 PM
Author: claret mad-dog skullcap

(actually it is even worse, because we have decent evidence moderate alcohol consumption is hormetic in adults, so why wouldn't the logic translate to fetuses.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700942)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:43 PM
Author: Insecure set

Iirc it may be slightly cardioprotective, but you’re trading that for other risks, so not a good deal overall.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35710231)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:45 PM
Author: claret mad-dog skullcap

I have no idea how you are quantifying any of this. Seems like speculation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35710244)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:47 PM
Author: Insecure set

Are you positing another mechanism for the purported health benefits of booze?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35710262)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 6:29 PM
Author: claret mad-dog skullcap

No, I was responding to "not a good deal overall."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35711868)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 1:33 PM
Author: Drab Contagious Parlor

consider the other side of the equation as well. Nutella is arguing that drinking wine is as important as driving.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700477)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:48 AM
Author: Exhilarant Stain

TCR. These toolboxes obviously don't have kids. Crossing the street is more dangerous than having a glass or two of wine per week during later pregnancy. Fuck, given listeria and norovirus, eating lettuce or hummus is more dangerous.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699068)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:50 AM
Author: Insecure set

I’m not sure arguments of the form “here are some risks we can’t practically eliminate, therefore let’s take even more” are that effective, fyi.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699087)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:58 AM
Author: hyperactive marvelous boistinker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699150)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:58 AM
Author: Racy masturbator



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699153)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:12 PM
Author: Swashbuckling range wagecucks



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700845)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:57 AM
Author: Histrionic Legend Dopamine

My future pregnant wife won't be allowed to eat. The threat of choking to death is all too real

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699142)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:21 AM
Author: sapphire fiercely-loyal property

lol cmon bro, you can't be serious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699378)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:18 PM
Author: crystalline boltzmann base

Im normally on your side nutella but haha wow holy shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700907)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 1:25 PM
Author: Salmon Provocative Messiness Gaping

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2133639-drinking-small-amounts-while-pregnant-may-affect-the-babys-face/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700389)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 1:26 PM
Author: shimmering hospital quadroon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700407)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:21 PM
Author: Useless cream stag film

"Analysing these revealed subtle differences in the faces of babies whose mothers had drunk alcohol compared with those whose mothers hadn’t. These included a slightly shorter, more-upturned nose."

loooll wholly shit drinking makes the baby MORE attractive



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700947)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:26 PM
Author: claret mad-dog skullcap

No need to worry

Halliday says women who have drunk a little when pregnant shouldn’t worry. “At this stage, we have not identified any problems for people to worry about,” she says. Even if the alcohol has had some effect, many other factors have an influence on a baby’s health and development, such as nutrition.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35701022)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:05 PM
Author: claret mad-dog skullcap

Cr.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700771)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:58 AM
Author: Drab Contagious Parlor

It's "probably" fine to let my 5 year old ride in the back seat without a seatbelt - 99% chance she'll never be injured.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699156)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:02 AM
Author: Insecure set

Health organisations generally recommend that pregnant women avoid alcohol entirely, but many women drink before realising they are pregnant – which is often a month or two into a pregnancy.

“We don’t know of a safe lower threshold,” says Chambers. “The recommendation to avoid alcohol in pregnancy is a wise one.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699192)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:11 AM
Author: sapphire fiercely-loyal property

lol @ the non-risk averse faggot apologists ITT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699272)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:16 AM
Author: Insecure set

Consider also who gets the benefits, and who shoulders the risk of this drinking behavior.

Benefit: the mother.

Risk: the child.

The mother has no direct skin in the game. If they were at risk for permanent mental impairment, I’d guess their behavior would be different.

If you have no skin in the game, you shouldn’t be in the game. “If you give an opinion, and someone follows it, you are morally obligated to be, yourself, exposed to its consequences.” Hawks in the White House should not be taking decisions about bombs in Iraq when they will remain in their air-conditioned houses with their 2.2 children whatever the result. Bankers similarly are in the “Bob Rubin trade”, named after the former secretary of the US Treasury, who collected more than $120 million in compensation from Citibank in the decade preceding the banking crash of 2008. When the bank, literally insolvent, was rescued by the taxpayer, he didn’t write any cheque – he invoked uncertainty as an excuse.

Drinking mothers should not be allowed to invoke uncertainty as an excuse.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699331)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:53 AM
Author: Exhilarant Stain

Lol at this incomprehensible dreck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699635)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:11 PM
Author: Swashbuckling range wagecucks



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700839)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:26 PM
Author: Yellow fragrant gay wizard

How do you know that moderate alcohol has no benefits for the child? It has huge benefits for adults...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35701025)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:48 PM
Author: Insecure set

Link to “huge benefits”? There’s some evidence it’s slightly cardioprotective, and that’s all I know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35710269)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:18 AM
Author: excitant gaming laptop tanning salon

so fucking stupid, cost-benefit analysis clearly weighs in favor of abstinence here, wtf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699347)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:18 AM
Author: Insecure set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699349)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:16 PM
Author: Insane Charismatic Point

Wrong

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700880)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:18 AM
Author: godawful crackhouse persian

My wife has a friend of a friend who is trashy as hell. We've only met her a handful of times. She's in her mid 30s and pregnant, so she's already high risk. She's a smoker and told us that her doctor advised against quitting cold turkey and instead to slowly wean off cigarettes when pregnant. She's still smoking as far as I know. 99% sure this selfish retard made up this "doctor's" advice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699351)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:19 AM
Author: sapphire fiercely-loyal property

I just don't understand why you would risk it, as a mother. You want the best possible outcome for your child, and drinking a glass of wine here and there seems pointless by comparison. And the thing is you'll never know whether those glasses of wine had any effect on the fetal development. The best practice is to put the development of the fetus first during the 9 months, and at the end of the day you know you did your best for the child's development.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699365)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:25 AM
Author: godawful crackhouse persian

But but but *inserts 30 white women wine memes*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35699409)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:09 PM
Author: Insane Charismatic Point

A single glass of wine or beer consumed slowly is NBD after first trimester.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700814)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:13 PM
Author: Rusted cruise ship

1. “Analysing these [70K faces] revealed subtle differences in the faces of babies whose mothers had drunk alcohol compared with those whose mothers hadn’t. These included a slightly shorter, more-upturned nose.” Sounds credited for (((whites)))

2. Nutella compares the risk of maternal drinking to pregnant women getting in car accidents. But this isn’t the same thing. Having a glass of wine isn’t taking a drive that has a x% chance of ending in an accident or not, it’s a 100% exposure to a tiny fender bender every time. Now you can say the accumulated fender benders are not meaningful to fetal development, but that’s a separate argument.

3. I sympathize with the kind of geriatric pregnancy high powered career woman who NEEDS her My glass of wine late in her pregnancy, and I’m for giving expectant mothers as much leeway and autonomy as possible. But those high risk geriatric pregnancies also are the ones with the least leeway to play with.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700860)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:15 PM
Author: Insane Charismatic Point

Volume of alcohol drunk in those studies? Virtually all studies are of alcoholic populations.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700869)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:18 PM
Author: curious amber corner jap

Congrats on the 7. How far along is she?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700915)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: Insane Charismatic Point

Dat cancel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35700989)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:29 PM
Author: Yellow fragrant gay wizard

Just going to leave this here...

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/news/a32292/why-i-drank-while-i-was-pregnant/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35701074)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:31 PM
Author: Yellow fragrant gay wizard

While researching her controversial bookExpecting Better: Why the Conventional Pregnancy Wisdom Is Wrong and What You Really Need to Know, Oster said that many doctors seemed to agree that a random glass of wine on a weekly basis probably isn't harmful, based on anecdotal experience and perhaps the foreign research too. But she also said she got the impression from doctors that they trust older, professional, more educated women with this inside information because doctors assume those women will actually keep pregnant drinking under wraps, whereas the general population might interpret the OK to have one glass of wine as a slippery slope to have more.

This is the drumbeat of many pregnant drinkers (admittedly, myself included) — that they're privy to the inside info that doctors only tell their friends. For this reason, I never asked my doctor to sign off on my occasional drink during pregnancy. Writing that smacks as irresponsible, but the truth is that if my doctor told me I couldn't, I'd believe she was just telling me what she's supposed to. I asked an ob-gyn friend instead, because I knew that, in private, friend to friend, she would give me the truth. She said a drink here or there is completely fine.

"I remember a nurse friend telling me, 'We can't trust most people to drink in moderation, so they tell them not to do it at all,'" Josie Ortega, a 30-year-old mom from Nashville, Tennessee, told me. She drank lightly — at cocktail parties or after dinners with her husband — during pregnancy with her two daughters, now 8 months and 2 years old. ("I'm officially pregnant, drinking wine and unashamed," Ortega tweeted last year, linking to a preview of Oster's book in the Wall Street Journal.)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35701096)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:32 PM
Author: Drab Contagious Parlor

Oster is a hard autist. Like a female Bryan Caplan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35701111)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:33 PM
Author: claret mad-dog skullcap

How did xo not read this book when it came out? It got a ny times article.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35701112)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 2:34 PM
Author: Yellow fragrant gay wizard

Lol at all the people in this thread remembering their proletown medical advice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35701124)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: bateful well-lubricated immigrant shrine

ATD

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35703451)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 4:07 AM
Author: charcoal razzle-dazzle puppy theatre

The problem with threads like these is that xo men don't see any value in things that are intrinsically rewarding to women, they just see women as vessels for pushing out babies.

Which is why you have all the "Why would you risk ift for one glass?" Questions. Someone said the risk of the alcohol should be weighed against the reward a glass of wine offers a pregnant woman - the problem is, they don't care about the mother's reward.

If this were something that prevented men from doing something enjoyable the responses would be a lot different.

And as Nutella was saying, why ever do anything for pleasure's sake that isn't 100% safe?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35706916)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 4:19 AM
Author: Ebony Dingle Berry Patrolman

spin, ratfucks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35706945)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 5:13 AM
Author: Racy masturbator



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Date: March 28th, 2018 7:16 AM
Author: godawful crackhouse persian

This is retarded. It's about self control and the desire to do everything possible to give your kids the absolute best shot in life. If there's a chance that light drinking has even a very mild impact on the IQ or health of the baby, it isn't worth it.

It's also asinine to assume that men can't relate. I forego hedonistic pleasure every single day for the betterment of my family. You think I work 60 hours a week as a miserable lawyer for fun? No, I do it so my children can have a good life. This is same reason I don't go the bar and drink during the week. If I didn't have kids, I'd be bumming around doing something fun instead.

The willingness to sacrifice important things, let alone some stupid hedonistic pleasures, for helping our kids used to be instinctive in our culture. That has changed and it's indicative of a larger problem. Then again, I wouldn't expect a heroin addict to understand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35707173)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 7:27 AM
Author: claret mad-dog skullcap

Agreed it is silly to suggest men cannot relate, except I suppose to women's selfishness.

Some critiques, though:

1) People drink far less during pregnancy now than they ever have (since alcohol became readily available). Smoke less, too. That would seem a problem for your larger thesis.

2) Re: giving kids the absolute best shot in life, two responses --

a. There's very weak to nonexistent evidence limited alcohol in the third trimesters is at all harmful. The reason it's fixated on, as opposed to other dangers (say, living in a city where the air is worse) is that there's a moral panic over it, and Americans like to quail.

b. The metric of "giving kids the absolute best shot in life" leads to worse kids. Here's how (vox title). When you expend too much energy on any one kid, you'll not have the energy to have more. Yet your kids' success or failure is almost entirely genetically determined, such that the proper course to give your kids the best shot is to (i) select their parents well; and, (ii) have MORE kids.

Making having kids unpleasant means (ii) is less likely, and I've seen nobody urging against alcohol here focus on (i), even though, if giving kids "the best shot" is the metric, it should be near paramount.

* * *

My wife didn't drink during her pregnancies. She also gave up coffee and a range of other things which may be bad for the child. She exercised, took those stupid omega-3 pills, all that stuff. As RSF pumos are fond of pointing out, it profited us little. On the other hand, there are mothers who drink and smoke and use drugs freely who have kids who reach the summum bonum of society.

It is always tempting, as a parent, to wish to have more power than you do; as a child, to assign more power to parents than is warranted. The world seems more sensible when we're in control. But we are, by and large, not. Doing the modern equivalent of wiping away the labor blood and signing against the Evil Eye won't stop the jaws of tragedy from taking you and your family whenever they fancy a guttle.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35707189)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:40 AM
Author: charcoal razzle-dazzle puppy theatre

I didn't say men can't relate, I said xo men don't care about this because they don't care about women's pleasure.

If it were men who had to give up drinking you'd better believe ey'd be a lot more sympathetic to people who wants to drink during pregnancy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35707484)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:50 AM
Author: hyperactive marvelous boistinker

I literally search high and low for the BIGGEST COCKS to give my girlfriend ultimate pleasure and I think this is utterly batshit retarded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35707582)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 10:20 AM
Author: Histrionic Legend Dopamine

This is not true at all.

It's not like men are saying pregnant women should have no pleasure. Nobody ITT would say a pregnant woman shouldn't go and get a massage if it would make her aching body feel better, or shouldn't have some pizza if she's craving it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35708129)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 10:24 AM
Author: hyperactive marvelous boistinker

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35708166)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 10:41 AM
Author: Drab Contagious Parlor



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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:48 PM
Author: sapphire fiercely-loyal property

lmfao at this pigeon-brained nonsense

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35710267)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:50 PM
Author: motley piazza dysfunction



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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:53 PM
Author: Wonderful turquoise giraffe organic girlfriend

This is stupid. Would the same apply to eating raw soft cheeses? Cigarettes? Drugs? Not wearing a seatbelt because it makes her "slightly uncomfortable" with the big belly?

She could have had an abortion or not gotten pregnant. No one forced her into this. She chose to maintain the pregnancy. By doing so, she accepts that her body is now shared with the baby until it is weaned, and as such should behave in accordance with that symbiosis. And if she's not willing to, then we are allowed to judge her as selfish. It has nothing to do with male vs female.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35710298)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 4:19 AM
Author: Ebony Dingle Berry Patrolman

spin, ratfucks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3930538&forum_id=2#35706944)



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Date: March 28th, 2018 5:08 PM
Author: Multi-colored Hyperventilating Site Feces



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