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Libs: Ancient Greece was not the birthplace of "Western Civilization"
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Date: March 28th, 2018 7:28 AM Author: Saffron nudist university idiot It was Africa, Egypt, and Mesopotamia. Note this was an event honoring Greece
https://twitter.com/sarahebond/status/977893595490504704?s=21
Let me say it again: By falsely making Greece the "birthplace" of "Western Civilization" (As Trump did in his remarks this morning), you exclude the great contributions of Africa, Egypt & Mesopotamia & continue to reify an imagined "West" that never was. whitehouse.gov/briefings-stat… |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:53 AM Author: narrow-minded double fault Reminder: She's Jewish I am a pretty white-looking lady, though I became less so in the eyes of internet trolls who this week found a blog post I wrote earlier in my life, wherein I discussed the fact that my maternal grandmother was indeed Jewish. Thanks for the parentheses treatment, guys, but I am quite okay with my heritage.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/06/19/classicist-finds-herself-target-online-threats-after-article-ancient-statues |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:54 AM Author: narrow-minded double fault every.single.time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707625) |
Date: March 28th, 2018 7:30 AM Author: Snowy codepig dog poop @ModernHermetics 21 hours ago
Even the words Africa, Egypt, and Mesopotamia are Greek. Have fun parsing what existed in the bronze age without the help of greek words and concepts. It's impossible.
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Date: March 28th, 2018 7:32 AM Author: multi-colored legend liquid oxygen YOU WAZ KANGZ WE WAZ KANGZ EVERYBODY WAZ KANGZ
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Date: March 28th, 2018 7:43 PM Author: aphrodisiac metal spot candlestick maker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35712400) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:19 AM Author: Indigo Library Boltzmann spin, ratfucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35714335) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 7:39 AM Author: diverse ceo Really absurd that we've gotten to the point where we need to argue about whether "western civilization" is/was ever a thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707221) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 7:55 AM Author: Saffron nudist university idiot (Bigot) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707293) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:22 AM Author: demanding alpha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707373) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 9:04 AM Author: Fiercely-loyal azn (((we did it!))) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707681) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 9:06 AM Author: narrow-minded double fault (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707691) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 9:45 AM Author: Charcoal big associate resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707890) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:10 AM Author: Bat shit crazy cobalt corn cake It actually was Greece though, and though there certainly were other civilizations predating Greece, or influenced Greece, Greece is considered the foundational civilization of Western Civilization. The line is clear and unbroken and anyone who disputes this is an idiot. The only civilization as influential on the West is Hebraic/Jewish, as the mother religion/philosophical culture of Christianity, the dominant religion of the West. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707327) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:18 AM Author: Saffron nudist university idiot (Bigot) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707353) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:24 AM Author: Painfully honest bateful native Our alphabet is mesopotamian in origin. Our religion is mesopotamian in origin (via kikes). Greek geometry was based on mesopotamian geometry. Even the concepts of 7 days in a week and 360 degrees in a circle, and the very idea of writing down language are mesopotamian. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707384) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:28 AM Author: demanding alpha (Dude who thinks Jerusalem is in between the Tigiris and Euphrates) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707405) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:30 AM Author: Painfully honest bateful native You're an idiot. Where was Abram from before he became Abraham?
Date: March 28th, 2018 8:28 AM Author: RCP90
(Dude who thinks Jerusalem is in between the Tigiris and Euphrates)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=#) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 9:52 AM Author: demanding alpha Abraham was not the founder of "Judaism"
Talmud on which modern Judaism is based was written between 587-538 B.C., and Rabbinic Judaism only starts after the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 A.D. |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 11:50 AM Author: Painfully honest bateful native you seem dense as fuck. i said "Our religion is mesopotamian in origin (via kikes)" which is substantiated by the fact that Abraham was Mesopotamian.
you are fucking retarded as all shit. |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:11 PM Author: demanding alpha you said the religion, Abraham is at least 1,000 years removed from "Judaism"
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:26 PM Author: Painfully honest bateful native Yeah nobody talks about "Abrahamic religions" amirite?
The traditions of "Israelite Judaism" are connected to the traditions at the time of Abraham, just as the traditions of Christianity and Rabbinical Judaism are connected to the traditions of Israelite Judaism. In actuality Abraham probably never existed, but there is symbolism in the fact that Israelites ascribed Mesopotamian origins to him. Also, the Creation and Flood narratives of Genesis are clearly of Mesopotamian provenance. But keep digging a hole for yourself. |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:28 AM Author: Bat shit crazy cobalt corn cake Mesopotamia was the birthplace of the neolithic revolution and some math, yes. Also the wheel. All hugely influential on not just Western, but world civilization.
In terms of Western civ, the foundational attitudes, culture and philosophy is Ancient Greece. Full stop.
I noted the kike part already. |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:29 AM Author: Painfully honest bateful native Not just math, but writing as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707414) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:31 AM Author: Bat shit crazy cobalt corn cake Yeah and we use so many Mesopotamian words and study so much Mesopotamian literature and tragedy in schoo-- oh wait, we don't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707435) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:32 AM Author: Painfully honest bateful native Right so other than math, writing, and religion, they basically contributed nothing to are culture nbd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707443) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:37 AM Author: Provocative emerald theater Settle down Gilgamesh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707464) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 11:20 AM Author: Heady thirsty national security agency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35708604) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 11:44 AM Author: zombie-like stimulating psychic keepsake machete (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35708781) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:35 PM Author: Walnut center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709172) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 7:41 PM Author: mint school cafeteria dopamine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35712383) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:38 AM Author: Razzle poppy stage mood what part of religion do you think Babylon contributed? there were already bronze age agean civilizations with their own religions that probably continued on. at most, they contributed some basic math which Greeks turned into geometry proper. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707474) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:40 AM Author: Bat shit crazy cobalt corn cake Greek yaya yelling "Greeks took a de lemons and made de lemonada!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707483) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 11:51 AM Author: Painfully honest bateful native you realize that Abrahamic religions are an offshoot of Mesopotamian religion, right? stories like the Noachic flood and the creation myths in Genesis are derived from Mesopotamian myths...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_creation_narrative#Mesopotamian_influence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_flood_narrative#Comparative_mythology
Both sources behind the Genesis creation narrative borrowed themes from Mesopotamian mythology,[19][20] but adapted them to their belief in one God,[2] establishing a monotheistic creation in opposition to the polytheistic creation myth of ancient Israel's neighbors.[21][22]
Genesis 1–11 as a whole is imbued with Mesopotamian myths.[19][23] Genesis 1 bears both striking differences from and striking similarities to Babylon's national creation myth, the Enuma Elish.[20] On the side of similarities, both begin from a stage of chaotic waters before anything is created, in both a fixed dome-shaped "firmament" divides these waters from the habitable Earth, and both conclude with the creation of a human called "man" and the building of a temple for the god (in Genesis 1, this temple is the entire cosmos).[24] On the side of contrasts, Genesis 1 is monotheistic, it makes no attempt to account for the origins of God, and there is no trace of the resistance to the reduction of chaos to order (Gk. theomachy, lit. "God-fighting"), all of which mark the Mesopotamian creation accounts.[2] Still, Genesis 1 bears similarities to the Baal Cycle of Israel's neighbor, Ugarit.[25]
The Enuma Elish has also left traces on Genesis 2. Both begin with a series of statements of what did not exist at the moment when creation began; the Enuma Elish has a spring (in the sea) as the point where creation begins, paralleling the spring (on the land – Genesis 2 is notable for being a "dry" creation story) in Genesis 2:6 that "watered the whole face of the ground"; in both myths, Yahweh/the gods first create a man to serve him/them, then animals and vegetation. At the same time, and as with Genesis 1, the Jewish version has drastically changed its Babylonian model: Eve, for example, seems to fill the role of a mother goddess when, in Genesis 4:1, she says that she has "created a man with Yahweh", but she is not a divine being like her Babylonian counterpart.[26]
Genesis 2 has close parallels with a second Mesopotamian myth, the Atra-Hasis epic – parallels that in fact extend throughout Genesis 2–11, from the Creation to the Flood and its aftermath. The two share numerous plot-details (e.g. the divine garden and the role of the first man in the garden, the creation of the man from a mixture of earth and divine substance, the chance of immortality, etc.), and have a similar overall theme: the gradual clarification of man's relationship with God(s) and animals.[16] |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:08 PM Author: Razzle poppy stage mood ok now do a European religion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35708953) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 1:14 PM Author: dull regret persian and both conclude with the creation of a human called "man" and the building of a temple for the god (in Genesis 1, this temple is the entire cosmos)
LJL at trying to compare creation of cosmos to some temple in babylon. jfc, are libs even trying. |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:37 PM Author: Hilarious lascivious garrison There are hundreds of writing systems all over the world. Doesn't really matter that much which one you use as long as it's not too complicated for people to learn easily. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709183) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:39 PM Author: Painfully honest bateful native Writing was only independently invented two or three times in the history of humanity: mesopotamia/egypt, mesoamerica, and possibly china. One of those, the mesopotamian/egyptian invention of writing, is the basis for 99% of the world's writing systems. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709199) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:46 PM Author: Hilarious lascivious garrison So what? The point still stands: the particular writing system a society uses doesn't have much meaningful impact on its cultural trajectory. Vietnam and Indonesia use the Roman alphabet but culturally they owe almost nothing to Rome.
Cambodia uses a retarded alphabet that takes forever to learn so 80% of their population is barely literate enough to ride the bus. Meanwhile Vietnam's writing system can be learned by 6 year-olds in a matter of months. That is the only sense it which it truly matters what writing system you use. |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 1:08 PM Author: Painfully honest bateful native The entire notion of "civilization" (as opposed to "culture") depends on the possession of a writing system. They invented civilization itself, and all its cultural entailments. I grant your point, however, that the particular writing system implementation doesn't matter culturally all that much.
I still maintain that there are still plenty of Mesopotamian elements in Western Civ, which are egregiously overlooked. Again, the Mesopotamians decided there would be 60 minutes in an hour and 24 hours in a day and 7 days in a week, and came up with the idea of associating the days of the week with the celestial objects/gods (as we do to this day). They decided there would be 360 degrees in a circle. The flood myth and the creation myth of our civilization are Babylonian. Zodiacs and constellations are Babylonian in origin too. |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 3:46 PM Author: gay state so what? that's like saying china is heavily-influenced by french culture because china today uses a lot of computer technology which organizes bytes into units of thousands (kilo, mega, giga, etc.), which was in turn based on the metric system, which itself derived from the french mètre des archives...
it's too attenuated to count as a "cultural" influence. western CULTURE is obviously divergent from anything merely mesopotamian or abrahamic, because we have examples of abrahamic non-western systems like arab and ethiopian christians and so on, and they aren't western. |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 10:00 AM Author: Trip blue son of senegal There were Greek settlements in Mesopotamia, Anatolia, Africa from the beginning. Greek culture was understood to be separate from the non Greek cultures. Ideas likely were exchanged routinely between the geeek settlements and the non Greek cultures-ie Jews worshipping Baal in the Bible.
Just because Greeks borrowed some concepts from Mesopotamian cultures, it does not mean Greek culture is Mesopotamian in its nature. |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:18 PM Author: Obsidian Puppy "Just because Greeks borrowed some concepts from Mesopotamian cultures, it does not mean Greek culture is Mesopotamian in its nature."
But this is the argument that Classicists make - Western Civ borrowed some concepts from Greece and Rome ergo it is Greek and Roman in its nature.
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:46 PM Author: Medicated aromatic kitty cat this guy wakes up every morning in a world where the pope is on the front page of the paper and goes to work in an industry still influenced by justinian's code
but wants to pretend we have 'borrowed some concepts' from rome in the same way we borrow from the akkadians
shitlib is mental illness
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:50 PM Author: Obsidian Puppy Hmmm, the Soviet Union, the People's Republic of China, and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea all categorized political disagreement as 'mental illness' (which by and large does not exist).
Therefore, Trumpcuckery = neoliberal totalitarianism |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:35 PM Author: Medicated aromatic kitty cat i agree that it is quite likely that other societies have suffered from dumb mentally ill shitlibs
is that the point you are making?
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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:59 PM Author: Painfully honest bateful native the Pope, you mean the head of a church whose holy book's first 11 chapters are modified versions of akkadian and ugaritic myths? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35710349) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:49 PM Author: Hilarious lascivious garrison And none of those things define Western culture. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709279) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 1:29 PM Author: Swashbuckling patrolman abode Our alphabet is ultimately based on Egyptian hieroglyphs, not cuneiform, fucktard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709638) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:30 AM Author: Razzle poppy stage mood even Christianity ended up being Roman ritual and Greek philosophy with Jewish myths (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707417) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:39 PM Author: Hilarious lascivious garrison cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709197) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 7:47 PM Author: concupiscible sapphire faggotry famous landscape painting Cr. It's basically an appollian cult in sentiment m (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35712422) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 3:38 PM Author: white ape One cannot neatly separate Christianity from Roman ritual and Greek philosophy but it went into a different tangent than the Greek philosophy would have you think.
Most people who sprout on about Greek philosophy really don't grasp it or what it means. Greek philosophy and Roman laws are essential to western civilization, of course, but to think of Christianity as just hopping along for the ride is misleading. Christianity is also fundamentally different from Judaism despite sharing the Old Testament in common (hint, Christianity is far more about the NT than the OT and the NT is not Judaism).
The best way to describe western civilization is a marriage of Christian, particularly New Testament, theology with Greco-Roman political thought. |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:28 AM Author: Pontificating shrine pistol fuck ancient greece. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707407) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:29 AM Author: Bat shit crazy cobalt corn cake (ancient Persian) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707410) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:32 AM Author: Razzle poppy stage mood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707441) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:36 AM Author: Provocative emerald theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707458) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:56 AM Author: narrow-minded double fault he's jewish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707634) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 9:53 AM Author: mind-boggling boistinker We Jews love dat Persian liberation from the Babylonian captivity (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707949) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 9:45 AM Author: Charcoal big associate resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707897) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:32 PM Author: Hilarious lascivious garrison Persians didn't actually care that much about Greeks. They mostly just employed them as doctors and mercenaries. Persian civilization was way more advanced at the time and Greeks routinely aped Persian culture like chinks wearing knockoff designer brands. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709143) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 1:19 PM Author: dull regret persian lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709576) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 3:28 PM Author: Hilarious lascivious garrison Alexander the Great thought very highly of Xerxes and paid respect to his destroyed statue after he conquered Susa. He also got pissed off when Darius was killed by one of his own satraps. He gave Darius a full ceremonial burial in persepolis and had the killer rounded up and executed the next year. This was all done after he had effectively conquered and controlled Persia, at the same time that Darius was preparing a counter attack, and seems to have been motivated by genuine admiration and respect for Persian kings, even the ones who had previously pwned greeks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35710511) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:29 AM Author: buff mischievous business firm dingle berry _\ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707411) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:35 AM Author: exhilarant dark multi-billionaire Whites can't keep getting away with this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707451) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:38 AM Author: Thriller maize main people becky Racist to separate Egypt from Africa. Egyptians were black. I mean all of Africa is black, you want to tell me Egypt wasn't? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707470) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 9:01 AM Author: Saffron nudist university idiot Egypt reached her zenith under the Ptolemies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707670) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 1:31 PM Author: Swashbuckling patrolman abode The zenith of Egypt as a great power was under Rameses II about a thousand years earlier, retard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709653) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 1:34 PM Author: Hilarious lascivious garrison Then they slid into decline and had to be revived by alpha as fuck Cambyses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709674) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 9:06 AM Author: Snowy codepig dog poop Liz Taylor bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707689) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 9:57 AM Author: demanding alpha (Fatceps) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707972) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 1:19 PM Author: dull regret persian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709580) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:38 AM Author: Outnumbered Talented Brunch Sweet Tailpipe we were eight years in power (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35707475) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 10:15 AM Author: Obsidian Puppy Western Civilization is a product of the Middle Ages. The Greeks and Romans were different people with different values and a different outlook. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35708082) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 10:19 AM Author: Snowy codepig dog poop The Gospels were written in...Greek! Greek was common IN ROME. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35708122) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 11:35 AM Author: Obsidian Puppy Thanks for this trivial observation, MFE. (Unfortunately, it isn't entirely correct - the Gospels were written in the poor Greek of Syria and Roman Palestine, and following your flawed reasoning this must mean that Western Civilization is Middle Eastern in origin)
BTW, how did your prediction about the Iran protests turn out? I trust they have a secular government now? |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 11:37 AM Author: Snowy codepig dog poop jfc quit smearing gospels jfc they are closer than ever |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 11:39 AM Author: Obsidian Puppy How can the truth smear the Gospels?
So you were wrong? You always are, MFE. |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 11:41 AM Author: Snowy codepig dog poop it's an opinion like saying poetry sucks who is to say (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35708759) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 11:45 AM Author: Obsidian Puppy You offer an opinion and when it turns out to be wrong you tuck your dick and flee. Grow some balls, MFE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35708786) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 11:48 AM Author: Snowy codepig dog poop i can't read greek but i can appreciate art
i can see myself being frustrated with sadducee corruption and pharisees caught up in kafkaesque rule following |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:30 PM Author: Obsidian Puppy "Pharisees" ie modern Jews deserve a lot of criticism but they are not really to blame for Amerikwa's problems. The arrogance and ineptitude of the Amerikwan Establishment emerge organically from the contemporary Amerikwan people themselves and your poasts always remind me of that.
BTW, how much did ur refusal to cooperate with Kafkaesque rule following cost u? $25,000 from your parents' home insurance policy? |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 10:22 AM Author: Saffron nudist university idiot (Guy ignoring the Platonic influences of St. Augustine and the Aristotelian influences in Thomas Aquinas and how they shaped the Church thus and the west)
The entire Scientific Revolution came about due to the Aristotelian strain of thought in the West |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 11:31 AM Author: Obsidian Puppy Aristotelian and Platonic work entered post-Roman Germanic Europe via converts to Islam, therefore Western Civilization ackshually originates in Muslim culture (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35708681) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:42 PM Author: Hilarious lascivious garrison That's like saying my Samsung TV actually came from UPS because that's who delivered it to my door. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709221) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:45 PM Author: Obsidian Puppy Which is approximately the argument he was making, retard. I was ironically making fun of it, idiot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709242) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 10:34 AM Author: exciting orchestra pit interesting. can u expand on the differences? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35708251) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:16 PM Author: Obsidian Puppy Western Civilization is defined, in part, by a concept of redemption and a concept of infinitely expanding horizons.
These are not parts of Classical Civilization, which saw humans, animals, polities as discrete objects standing in limited space bounded by a blurred concept of time that they understood as Fate. Past events are not subject to detailed scrutiny and outside cultures are seen through rumor and hearsay (two things Spengler subsumes under 'the ambience of myth') NOT as points on a map. There is no prior fall that taints all human actions, there is no possibility of damnation for evil acts (though there is the mechanical working of fortune which is impersonal and above all AMORAL), and the role of human beings in the world is fundamentally different.
The attempt to link Western Civilization to the Classical Mediterranean is motivated by Nordcucks and Germanics who need to cover up the fact that their direct ancestors were rolling around in mud and cooking with human shit before the 8th century AD. |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 4:12 AM Author: Buck-toothed giraffe parlour why would any of the Classical Civilizations bother to explore, expand, and examine foreign things, if they did not care about the outside?
sounds like you describe the ancients as Buddhists without the guidance of dharma |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 10:40 AM Author: 180 Pearl Sanctuary They attempt to refute Greece because that will make it easier to, by extension, refute Rome soon.
Academia has been gradually trying to remove, cheapen and alienate the Classical world from the mind of the regular person because it alienates Citizens of this Republic from what Rome was.
Despite this fact, our Republic is CLEARLY founded on a Roman template - and the wisdom, guidance and teachings contained in the Classics is critical to achieving a balanced, prosperous and socially engaged life on a high level - all of these contravene the liberal "ideal" of a person in this current society - that is to say an atomized, ignorant and largely disconnected individual at the mercy of global capitalism and his overlords. |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 11:59 AM Author: Snowy codepig dog poop Common Core is essentially founded on being the antithesis of a classical education. The results, as expected, are cataclysmic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35708895) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:00 PM Author: infuriating stirring whorehouse generalized bond Greek and Roman philosophers do seem to have had the eminent pleasure of thinking without modern distractions. Reading their works seem like they would shut out the noise of the modern age and offer some clarity Gimme reading recs |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:20 PM Author: Obsidian Puppy The Classical world has never been a part of the mind of the regular person in America and never will be.
"that is to say an atomized, ignorant and largely disconnected individual at the mercy of global capitalism and his overlords."
How does 'the Roman template' oppose this? |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:24 PM Author: Snowy codepig dog poop https://www.amazon.com/dp/0393253627/?coliid=IX8AMXRK58NOO&colid=EZK5JSRFXE6M (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709096) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:26 PM Author: Obsidian Puppy Don't offer me a (dead) link to a book, ignoramus. Stand and defend your beliefs.
Or are you a cuck? |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:31 PM Author: Snowy codepig dog poop I'm in favor of homeschooled classical education. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709137) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:32 PM Author: Obsidian Puppy So you are opposed to Christianity? Why venerate the work of pagans and infidels? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709153) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:41 PM Author: Snowy codepig dog poop Yea Christianity cucked the West and was horrible. How could anyone argue the results 30-1400 AD were not awful? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709215) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:47 PM Author: Obsidian Puppy Do you believe that the majority of significant Western figures from AD 1400 to the early 20th century did not see themselves as Christians? What has the been result of the decline of Christianity since then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709264) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:52 PM Author: Hilarious lascivious garrison Those "significant figures" included plenty of fuckfaces who committed literal genocide in the name of Christianity. The Spanish in the Americas were just as destructive as the Mongols in the near east, if not more so. The figures who truly advanced Western civilization were people like Newton and Darwin, who accomplished their achievements DESPITE being Christian, certainly not because of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709317) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:58 PM Author: Obsidian Puppy Lol okay. Newton was a devout person whose Christian occult beliefs MOTIVATED ALL OF HIS WORK.
As for being murderous, the explicitly atheist regimes of the 20th century are the worst of all and all of them have committed and are committing genocide and ethnic cleansing in the name of atheism (the Chinese versus Tibetans and Uighurs, for example). |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 1:02 PM Author: Hilarious lascivious garrison What Spain did in Mexico eclipses the Holocaust and the USSR by a longshot, both in the sheer numbers killed and the total destruction of the cultures they encountered. There are still Ukrainian and Hebrew speakers today and they still carry on much the same as they did before WWII. You cannot say the same about most of the societies that once inhabited the Americas. Mayans were still getting genocided (in the literal sense of that term) in Guatemala in as recently as the 1980s. Their libraries were destroyed in the 16th century so they have no way of knowing 99% of their own history. Very few of them are even full blooded anymore because the Spanish essentially created their own race of half breeds that eventually came to dominate the continent. Modern day Mexicans can't really have any sort of racial pride because they can't even figure out what race they are. All they know is they have brownish skin, speak Spanish, and worship Jesus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709415) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 1:21 PM Author: Obsidian Puppy Simmer down, Jose. What the Spanish did was awful but the truth is that they were genocidal DESPITE their Christianity not because of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709592) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 1:30 PM Author: Hilarious lascivious garrison A good chunk of it was precisely because of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709650) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 1:08 PM Author: Rebellious crystalline area lol stfu (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709473) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 1:08 PM Author: Hilarious lascivious garrison Why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709479) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 1:09 PM Author: Snowy codepig dog poop Before the printing press GDP growth was like 0.1% per year or less. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709489) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 1:25 PM Author: Obsidian Puppy This is a highly ideological understanding of human well-being and frankly laughable if you compare the QOLof a 19th century factory worker to an ancient Scythian pastoralist. The former lived in a society with higher GDP growth though! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709610) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 1:34 PM Author: Snowy codepig dog poop You're right, I would take the factory worker. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709677) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 1:18 PM Author: Snowy codepig dog poop Have any of the Christian philosophers stood the test of time? I don't keep up with the subject. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709568) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 1:22 PM Author: Obsidian Puppy The work of Classical philosophers and Christian theologians is dead outside narrow bands of specialists and enthusiasts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709599) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 1:24 PM Author: Snowy codepig dog poop seems like i'm right then (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709607) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 1:26 PM Author: Obsidian Puppy Neither group has stood the test of time, but the theologians are more relevant to the life and impending death of Western Civilization.
So you're wrong again, MFE. |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:29 PM Author: Snowy codepig dog poop Well, Greece had a lot of other things going for it. Christianity has...a philosophy...which has been debunked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35710115) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 1:32 PM Author: Hilarious lascivious garrison St. Augustine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709663) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 1:00 PM Author: gold bipolar quadroon indian lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709407) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:10 PM Author: Dashing crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35712553) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:18 PM Author: dull regret persian the cards are out on the table. its greece, rome vs the rest of these monkeys. two very separate worlds.
pick a side. |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:25 PM Author: cerebral field private investor Her class is called "Ancient and Modern Outcasts" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709104) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:30 PM Author: Hilarious lascivious garrison It was Persia actually. The Achaemenid empire was the culmination of civilizational advancement in the near east and hugely influenced the Greeks, even though they were enemies from time to time. They just aren't appreciated as such because comparatively little archeology has been done on them and most of their history was not written down but transmitted through oral traditions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709133) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 1:53 PM Author: dull regret persian sure, buddy... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709784) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 1:55 PM Author: Hilarious lascivious garrison How much do you actually know about the xo Achaemenid empire? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709808) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 12:33 PM Author: Walnut center Stop reifying it!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35709155) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:28 PM Author: Idiotic milky useless brakes Middle EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35710103) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 2:52 PM Author: Contagious Twisted Gaming Laptop Brethren https://twitter.com/SarahEBond/status/978771688149209088
lol at the idea of being fluent in ancient greek
what a disingenuous fuck
she can read it, maybe, with some help
the only people who could be "fluent in ancient greek" - if anybody could be - would be a handful of old professors of ancient greek in greece who speak ancient greek together. i don't know if anyone actually does this. no one who lives in america could do this with any measure of fluency.
certainly not some young jew bitch in iowa |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 7:47 PM Author: concupiscible sapphire faggotry famous landscape painting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35712426) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:13 AM Author: adventurous stock car wrong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35714326) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 10:29 AM Author: Contagious Twisted Gaming Laptop Brethren what's your opinion? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35715679) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 3:22 PM Author: Outnumbered Talented Brunch Sweet Tailpipe I bet she’s fluent in sarcasm too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35718151) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 3:25 PM Author: cerebral field private investor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35718167) |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 7:49 PM Author: Out-of-control Racy Marketing Idea Site Hey hey ho ho western civ has got to go!
Seriously what are oldest texts that really matter to us today? Greek and Hebrew, that what. Who the fuck reads ancient Egyptian or Meso texts? No one. Who reads Homer, the pre-Socratics and Plato? Anyone who cares about western civ, that's who. |
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Date: March 28th, 2018 8:00 PM Author: mauve slippery coffee pot turkey has the best claim (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35712494) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2018 10:40 AM Author: spectacular stead Where the fuck is Leonidas now, when we need him most? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3931721&forum_id=2#35750982) |