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has anyone learned an actual difficult language as an adult (no spanis/italianBS
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Date: March 29th, 2018 9:29 AM Author: Iridescent racy main people temple (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35715293) |
Date: March 29th, 2018 9:37 AM Author: Razzle Brindle Field Ladyboy Don't CIA agents and foreign service doods do this all the time? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35715348) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 9:39 AM Author: Bat-shit-crazy motley macaca double fault I am re-learning German as an adult, though I don't think that's a particularly hard one and I already had a little bit of a base.
I will say the most difficult aspect for me is all the vocabulary and phrases -- it gets harder to remember all that shit when I'm not using it regularly. |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 9:39 AM Author: contagious site Are you using a SRS? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35715367) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 9:43 AM Author: Bat-shit-crazy motley macaca double fault no, though i probably should (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35715381) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 9:44 AM Author: contagious site Yeah -- tremendously inefficient not to, esp. as you'll want to make decks as you go. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35715387) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 9:46 AM Author: Bat-shit-crazy motley macaca double fault can you recommend one? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35715396) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 9:46 AM Author: contagious site Anki. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35715400) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 9:47 AM Author: Bat-shit-crazy motley macaca double fault ty! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35715411) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 9:46 AM Author: Iridescent racy main people temple what is SRS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35715398) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 9:46 AM Author: contagious site Spaced Repetition System. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35715402) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 9:47 AM Author: Iridescent racy main people temple when moon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35715405) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 9:48 AM Author: contagious site right after you sellcuck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35715413) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 9:51 AM Author: Iridescent racy main people temple how od I use this app (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35715435) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 9:53 AM Author: contagious site You need to make an account, set up the desktop version, then you can use the app version (on phone) to do drills. It's most effective if you make your own decks, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35715440) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 2:36 PM Author: sooty fragrant shrine yarmulke woah, just looked this up. 180! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35717681) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 9:50 AM Author: Razzmatazz station electric furnace I don't think this counts for much if you already studied younger. I'm guessing the ops question is whether your brain rots or gets so entracted that you can't pick this up new |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 9:51 AM Author: Bat-shit-crazy motley macaca double fault I totally agree which is why I noted that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35715432) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 9:52 AM Author: Green odious range German isn't hard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35715438) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 8:05 PM Author: Glittery telephone dragon German *is* very hard. There's weird as fuck sounds and words that you can't compare to anything you've heard before. Learning it as an adult is hard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720170) |
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Date: March 30th, 2018 12:08 AM Author: Aggressive white stag film it's a 30-week language per USFS training protocols, vs 24 (spanish) or 44 (russian). not the hardest, not the easiest (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35722030) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 9:47 AM Author: Henna step-uncle's house nowag Fuck yeah. I took Mandarin during law school And got A's and A minuses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35715412) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 9:48 AM Author: crusty clear personal credit line Attempted Japanese, failed.
Is French considered hard? I did okay with French.
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Date: March 29th, 2018 12:39 PM Author: Henna step-uncle's house nowag Japanese is easy except for the kanji. Literally every sound they use is duplicated in the english language, there are only five vowels, and they have helpful particles to designate subject, object, etc. (e.g. ga, wo, ni, de). All words consistent of vowel/consonant pairings with the exception of words that end with the letter n, so it's pretty easy to parse when you hear people speaking.
I actually find Spanish to be harder to understand. |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:01 PM Author: contagious site The grammar in Japanese is much harder than Chinese for a native English speaker. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35716840) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:03 PM Author: brass cruise ship cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35716870) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:09 PM Author: Henna step-uncle's house nowag True, but I would argue that that's a unique comparison because Chinese grammar just happens to be quite similar to English grammar. Japanese grammar is not harder than, say, Indonesian. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35716899) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:11 PM Author: contagious site I agree with that as a general matter, but as a practical matter Americans who want to learn a "hard language" often choose between Japanese and, say, Mandarin. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35716913) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 7:04 PM Author: Slap-happy razzle-dazzle den huh? bahasa indonesian has the most simplified, easy grammar of any language on the planet. it's a step up from grunting and pointing. japanese has to be harder, even if only by a little. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35719792) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 7:06 PM Author: Rose pozpig university japanese is way harder. indonesian is a synthetic language with extremely easy grammar and syntax. japanese is a shitshow with honorifics, but not nearly as insane as korean. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35719807) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 7:12 PM Author: contagious site But Korean has an easy alphabet! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35719828) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 7:15 PM Author: Rose pozpig university that's it's only saving grace. FSI and DLI both treat Arabic, Korean, Japanese and Chinese as cat IV languages, the toughest, most time intensive category, but I've heard that if Korean had an ideographical alphabet like Arabic, Chinese and to some extent Japanese (with Kanji), it would be it's own cat V. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35719838) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:33 PM Author: misunderstood snowy stock car chinese grammar is actually pretty easy for native english speakers - the grammar in these 2 languages is surprisingly similar, and mostly able to be intuitively grasped (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35717099) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:34 PM Author: brass cruise ship English and Mandarin Chinese have pretty similar origin stories. English is old English as spoken by Normans. Mandarin is old Chinese as spoken by Manchu/Mongols. it means they're both languages that are super easy to speak poorly, but hard to master. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35717114) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 10:14 PM Author: wild patrolman "Japanese is easy except for the kanji."
Japanese is almost always in the top 5 hardest languages for English speakers to learn.
The Foreign Service Institute says Japanese is the hardest. |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 9:49 AM Author: lemon misanthropic center I'm learning Fortran (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35715424) |
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Date: March 30th, 2018 12:47 AM Author: Painfully honest thirsty dopamine ape (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35722308) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 9:52 AM Author: Green odious range I attempted Japanese/Chinese and failed miserably...you have to study like 6 hours a day to learn it as an adult
I do know a couple guys who learned these languages as adults, but they lived abroad for a few years and learned through complete immersion |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 12:43 PM Author: Henna step-uncle's house nowag Respectfully disagree. If you have studied other languages before and know what works for you they aren't that hard. For example in always done really well with flashcards. I make my own and carry 5-10 in my back pocket on any given day. By the end of the day I will have those 5-10 cards memorized well enough that I won't need to to back to them basically ever. I learned the entire Korean alphabet on the 12 hour plane ride to Seoul using only flash cards, and could read anything phonetically by the time I was in the taxi to my hotel.
The most difficult thing about Chinese I think (other than reading/writing) is getting the tones right. I think the trick to that is to speak in a higher or lower register (i.e. your "singing voice") so that you can you can easily hit the full range. If you try to do it in your normal english speaking voice you will struggle with tones at the high or low extremes.
Japanese will fuck with you because what you learn in the classroom is very formal, and when you talk to actual Japanese dudes they use all kinds of slang while you talk like a fag. It's even worse if you're a guy learning Japanese from a woman because women speak differently and you'll literally end up talking like a girl (though japs are polite and won't tell you this to your face). |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:06 PM Author: arousing stead very cr on the Japanese part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35716883) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:11 PM Author: brass cruise ship cr on Japanese, not CR on Chinese. tones in Chinese very optional. tones in China switch from region to region, so speaking with "correct" tones is like being a Chinese dude who speaks in impeccable Queen's English (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35716910) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:18 PM Author: Henna step-uncle's house nowag Yeah I know tones vary. You still have to be able to hit them easily, whatever region you're in. This is true for every tonal language I've encountered, e.g. Vietnamese tones also vary widely by region but there are still low and high tones you need to be able to pronounce with ease. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35716974) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:20 PM Author: brass cruise ship i mean, you have to hit them easily in the sense that XO NOWAGs should have to hit the R and L sound. but it's not necessary for understanding. everyone knows what a bowlcut NOWAG who says "prease mistah, rinkedin...?" means.
speaking w/ no tones in China means you just sound like a white guy. protip: they already know you're white |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:22 PM Author: Henna step-uncle's house nowag Until you have to give directions to a taxi driver and there are two locations on opposite sides of the city with very similar names EXCEPT for the tones. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35717006) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:27 PM Author: brass cruise ship lol, an actual Chinese person wouldn't rely on the tones either because the cabbie might be from bumfuckistan. they'd be like "go to the dongpo near xxx" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35717051) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 6:39 PM Author: Henna step-uncle's house nowag Well I'm a dumbass tourist so I don't know what's near what. I just need to be able to say the name of my destination and not discover 30 minutes later that the driver thought I meant something else. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35719625) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:24 PM Author: Razzmatazz station electric furnace Not a sexpat dork but I'm going to safely wager that a cracker who learns Chinese at 25 is as incomprehensible to us a a chink speaking English who learned it at that age (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35717028) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:27 PM Author: brass cruise ship lol, except Americans clearly understand FOBs who speak engrish.
I've seen FOBs represent themselves pro se in court and WIN.
Chinese and English are very similar languages. both mongrel languages that are very easy to speak poorly because of that. however, that means both languages very hard to master though. |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 2:30 PM Author: Henna step-uncle's house nowag Language instruction in Asia is terrible. It's all focused on rote memorization. American language instruction is as good as anywhere in the world. We also tend to have native speakers as instructors whereas Asians very rarely do (let alone competent ones).
Also, Americans are much more accustomed to parsing shitty accents. Most Asians have never heard a foreigner try to speak their language. |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 7:47 PM Author: Cobalt Sadistic Theater Legal Warrant (guy who thinks koreans dont find foreigners fumbling at korean just as hilarious as cumskins mocking asian accents) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720043) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 9:08 PM Author: Henna step-uncle's house nowag No one cares what Koreans think about anything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720555) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 9:45 PM Author: Cobalt Sadistic Theater Legal Warrant (guy literally claiming korean people have never heard foreigners fumbling and mumbling in broken ass korean despite millions of foreigners residing in korea) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720809) |
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Date: March 30th, 2018 1:16 AM Author: Razzmatazz station electric furnace I'm not claiming to have any knowledge but I think an adult learner would not just struggle with tones but actually not be able to identify them. And by this stage of your life your mouth is physically formed to prohibit new sounds. You're going to sound like dogshit to a Chinese speaker, even if you're comprehensible (tho your second point cuts against that).
First point is all well taken though and interesting but can't combat an adults set brain |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:25 PM Author: indecent blue bawdyhouse There is no reason not to speak with correct tones though. All it takes is a lot of practice at the beginning and getting them right before moving on to more interesting parts of the language. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35717034) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:29 PM Author: contagious site This is true if you have a sense for pitch and relative pitch. Many people are tin-earred. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35717070) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:30 PM Author: brass cruise ship if you commit to TONAL Chinese, you have to consciously remember what the tone for each word is.
this weakens your ability to speak Chinese since you need to be aggressive and fast-speaking in China to not get rolled over on |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:31 PM Author: indecent blue bawdyhouse This is actually true for the first year or two, and as a result I spoke slow and mechanically and sounded retarded. Then it just started to click. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35717085) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:32 PM Author: brass cruise ship lol, I never knew you learned Chinese. 180. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35717089) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:32 PM Author: contagious site 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35717093) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 2:36 PM Author: misunderstood snowy stock car (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35717679) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 6:44 PM Author: Henna step-uncle's house nowag Common phrases have a song-like quality to them though. You can just "sing" them the way you would sing a song lyric without thinking consciously about what tone each word has. I think that's helpful in the early stages where you're using the same canned lines over and over. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35719665) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 6:58 PM Author: Rose pozpig university cr. the tones are absolutely essential if you dont want to sound like an idiot/are transacting in the language and want to be taken seriously. not speaking them is like replacing "buy" with "boy". the tones are inherent to the vowel sound, like shades of a vowel. People can figure out what you mean by context, but it's annoying to deal with much like listening to someone butcher english is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35719746) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 12:41 PM Author: Arrogant avocado incel nursing home I know multiple people learning Russian on duolingo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35716710) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 7:00 PM Author: Bat shit crazy walnut toilet seat lodge Duolingo doesn't really count on its own. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35719757) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 12:46 PM Author: diverse coral queen of the night resort Seems like a massive waste of time if you're not going to use it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35716741) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 12:57 PM Author: Henna step-uncle's house nowag Why wouldn't you use it, faggot? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35716816) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:09 PM Author: misunderstood snowy stock car yeah i learned chinese well enough to be reasonably fluent. can read, write, speak. it was hard. based on my experience throughout, especially my observations and interactions with the other students, i don't think anybody under ~130 IQ would be able to do it
(i'm white with zero previous exposure to chinese, for reference) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:27 PM Author: indecent blue bawdyhouse 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35717053) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:30 PM Author: Dashing amber newt kitchen He kai shui jiu hao le (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35717078) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:32 PM Author: indecent blue bawdyhouse Not flame I carry around a thermos bottle with hot water everywhere. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35717091) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:30 PM Author: brass cruise ship yi bai ba si (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35717083) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:11 PM Author: Dashing amber newt kitchen I'd started ancient greek at 19, but that's not a spoken language (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35716907) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:19 PM Author: hateful round eye I started Russian at 26 and am completely fluent (not perfect, but totally fluent) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35716980) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 7:00 PM Author: Bat shit crazy walnut toilet seat lodge Describe process. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35719759) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 7:39 PM Author: hateful round eye two 5-credit semesters at college, intensive summer course at SAIS, 4 months studying in country, another 6 months living (internship) in country, two more 5-credit semesters at grad school, 3 months studying intensively in country (at which point i started speaking somewhat okay), followed by 2 more semesters of classes IN russian (i.e. subjects taught in russian, not russian language class)
throw in a lot of dating russian girls, and another 18 months in country living and working and i was at that point a "fluent" russian speaker |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 7:50 PM Author: Bat shit crazy walnut toilet seat lodge Damn, daddy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720062) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 8:12 PM Author: curious public bath corn cake You can accomplish better results in 1/10th the time, conservatively speaking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720218) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 8:14 PM Author: hateful round eye except nobody has ever done it
russia is also a high context culture, so even if you got the grammar down pretty well in a short period of time it wont help you for shit when it comes to communicating
try ordering a coffee as an american and you'll see what i mean |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 8:20 PM Author: curious public bath corn cake "two 5-credit semesters at college, intensive summer course at SAIS, 4 months studying in country, another 6 months living (internship) in country, two more 5-credit semesters at grad school, 3 months studying intensively in country (at which point i started speaking somewhat okay)"
This is just about 2 years. I'm guessing that "somewhat okay" put you at about B2. Definitely doable in 2 months of intelligent effort. |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 8:24 PM Author: hateful round eye no idea what that is, but I do know that I have met a lot of military and state dept people who come out of their language schools testing at 3/3 and just basically muttering the language. and that’s like 44 weeks of everyday intensive language training (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720290) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 8:29 PM Author: curious public bath corn cake https://www.examenglish.com/CEFR/cefr.php
Like I said, foreign language has never been taught well. |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:35 PM Author: Charismatic halford (somewhat) learning Polish. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35717118) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 2:35 PM Author: claret parlour karate Why? Describe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35717667) |
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Date: March 30th, 2018 12:00 AM Author: Charismatic halford Wife is Polish. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35721983) |
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Date: March 30th, 2018 12:44 AM Author: claret parlour karate Enjoying it? Been to Poland? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35722281) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 9:10 PM Author: Henna step-uncle's house nowag That's a tough one. Slavic languages kill me. And Hungarian wtf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720568) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 1:40 PM Author: boyish native spin, ratfucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35717161) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 7:05 PM Author: Slap-happy razzle-dazzle den i also learned albanian in my twenties to sexualize sharklasers on that internet message board (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35719799) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 7:16 PM Author: boyish native spin, ratfucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35719843) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 2:37 PM Author: claret parlour karate The best waifu robots will come out of Japan, best to learn Japanese (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35717686) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 6:51 PM Author: curious public bath corn cake The difficulty of foreign languages is overrated. With a month of full time study, it's possible for just about anyone to go from zero to intermediate in most languages. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35719700) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 7:40 PM Author: hateful round eye Lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35719985) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 7:44 PM Author: curious public bath corn cake ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720009) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 7:45 PM Author: hateful round eye see my answer to Charles above, and keep in mind that i have above average aptitude and was always in the top 10% of any class i ever took (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720016) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 7:48 PM Author: curious public bath corn cake Most people learn languages in a retarded way. That's why it took you so long. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720049) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 7:51 PM Author: hateful round eye yes, being taught by native speaker philologists is retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720066) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 7:53 PM Author: curious public bath corn cake Philology is only tangential to foreign language acquisition for just about everyone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720081) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 8:12 PM Author: cruel-hearted confused abode becky most "language learning" beyond pure grammar is really acculturation
you might understand the mechanics of a language/be able to construct basic sentences in a short period of time (probably still more than a month for difficult languages if you really want to sound fluent) but the difference between being able to express "i have a dog" and "you shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of gold" or even "fuck you nigger" is a matter of understanding how people engage in that language, not just mechanics. it takes some level of time and immersion to achieve that level of nuance which is necessary for real fluency. same goes for learning any discipline really.
and that's besides the fact that it just takes time to be able to use a language unconsciously. |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 8:15 PM Author: curious public bath corn cake I agree, but you're referring to a learning process that takes place between high B2 and C2.
That's why I specified intermediate level, which I'm defining as high A2 to low B1, for the time frame I gave. |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 8:20 PM Author: pearly mind-boggling goyim have you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720269) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 8:21 PM Author: curious public bath corn cake Yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720275) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 8:22 PM Author: pearly mind-boggling goyim expound (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720280) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 8:27 PM Author: curious public bath corn cake I started studying Italian intensely a day or two before leaving. Or maybe I started in the airport; I can't remember. It was for a destination wedding so I had a lot of downtime while I was there, and spent every spare moment going through Italian systematically. By the end of my weeklong stay in Italy, I was at A2. Knowing French and Latin gave me a huge leg up, but there's no reason that someone else who's starting from scratch couldn't do the same in two or three weeks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720312) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 7:02 PM Author: Rose pozpig university the best way to learn languages as an adult is similar to the best way to learn how to play music: transcribe.
i used to spend 8 hours transcribing 10 minute news clips. rewind, repeat, look up, write down. if you can hear it, you will eventually be able to speak it. |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 7:42 PM Author: Cobalt Sadistic Theater Legal Warrant ITT: a bunch of korean MFEs who cant speak korean (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35719997) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 8:01 PM Author: contagious site Fluent Forever is a very good recent book on rapid foreign language acquisition for adults. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720135) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 8:02 PM Author: Rose pozpig university what's the jist (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720139) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 8:04 PM Author: contagious site It's a set of tips arranged in different areas. Use SRS, use Google images to help with making flashcards, how to pick a good grammar book, spend more time speaking and do it early and not just drills and use Skype to do it, etc etc etc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720160) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 8:07 PM Author: Rose pozpig university yeah none of that is as effective as transcription. you have to train your ear for the language. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720177) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 8:03 PM Author: curious public bath corn cake I read it. It's better than most traditional methods, but you're better off using Anki for 10 hours than spending the time reading a book that tells you to use Anki. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720146) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 8:04 PM Author: Rose pozpig university so spaced repetition basically? not enough. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720153) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 8:05 PM Author: curious public bath corn cake He also recommends using google images. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720163) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 8:18 PM Author: pearly mind-boggling goyim has anyone itt done it without a class? seems like most people are referencing class time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720254) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 8:19 PM Author: Rose pozpig university classes are a waste of time and usually detrimental. no need to hear a bunch of bad accents and memorize grammar rules in the abstract (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720260) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 9:41 PM Author: Henna step-uncle's house nowag Good instructors are few and far between but if you get one they are 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35720776) |
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Date: March 29th, 2018 10:07 PM Author: misunderstood snowy stock car having a teacher is not absolutely necessary, but can save you a TON of time if it's a good teacher. having a resource who can immediately answer questions or explain difficult concepts is a huge time saver, particularly for intuitive people who want to move very quickly through new concepts in order to connect as many dots as possible
teachers are also useful for any necessary mechanical instruction - for me (learning chinese), my teachers were invaluable for giving me immediate feedback on my tones and how to form my mouth/tongue, allowing me to progress much faster than i otherwise would |
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Date: March 30th, 2018 12:15 AM Author: Rose pozpig university Those are called girlfriends (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35722083) |
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Date: March 30th, 2018 1:18 AM Author: sable athletic conference trying thai (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#35722469) |
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Date: August 25th, 2018 10:53 PM Author: Wonderful Salmon Senate Keepsake Machete It's not impossible, but it will take considerable time and money (immersion classes, spending time in the country, etc.). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#36686090) |
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Date: August 25th, 2018 10:55 PM Author: lavender spot trust fund Finnish. It's tricky. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3932801&forum_id=2#36686101) |