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Nietzsche was right about Socrates

His attempts to impose his "ethics" on Athenian so...
avocado spectacular filthpig
  04/05/18
Twist: the conventional portrait of Socrates is likely compl...
Jet point kitty cat
  04/05/18
That's not a twist. It's exactly what I'm saying. When Socra...
avocado spectacular filthpig
  04/05/18
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peach hideous plaza marketing idea
  04/05/18
Socrates was the trigglypuff of his time. Jews had nothing t...
avocado spectacular filthpig
  04/05/18
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coiffed supple rigor church building
  05/04/21
interesting
Cruel-hearted sound barrier
  04/05/18
To Russell, he's a fascist; Nietzsche, the progenitor of lib...
Laughsome macaca
  04/05/18
You think libs can't act like fascists?
avocado spectacular filthpig
  04/05/18
Of course they can, but Russell, a pacifist socialist, doubt...
Laughsome macaca
  04/05/18
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Bronze international law enforcement agency
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NOTHING I KNOW I WON'T LIFT CLOTHED DRINK THE HEMLOCK D...
Laughsome macaca
  04/05/18
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Bronze international law enforcement agency
  04/05/18
Cornell student insisting she die of alcohol poisoning in At...
Laughsome macaca
  04/05/18
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Bronze international law enforcement agency
  04/05/18
MY intersectional dialogs MY slander of lisping Alcibiades ...
Laughsome macaca
  04/05/18
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Bronze international law enforcement agency
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ruby piazza
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avocado spectacular filthpig
  04/20/18
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flickering reading party rehab
  04/05/18
He really didn't, but I guess appearance matters more than ...
Talking tan goyim
  04/05/18
Yes, just like shitlibs today he stood back and tacitly perm...
avocado spectacular filthpig
  04/05/18
Socrates distinguished himself and his dame for conspicuous ...
puce shitlib office
  04/05/18
He was a turncoat who ultimately sided with sparta. That's w...
avocado spectacular filthpig
  04/05/18
and John Kerry served on swiftboats and won multiple purple ...
Rose Halford National
  04/15/18
Out the passages
ruby piazza
  04/05/18
In origin, Socrates belonged to the lowest class: Socrates w...
avocado spectacular filthpig
  04/05/18
Nietzsche was an asshole, which is why his project to recons...
ruby piazza
  04/05/18
(Nietzsche)
avocado spectacular filthpig
  04/05/18
Nietzsche: "these stories that attempt to present a coh...
ruby piazza
  04/05/18
Setting aside the difficulty of pinning down Nietzsche's tru...
Flushed field
  04/05/18
he got pwned so hard by that chick
ruby piazza
  04/05/18
Poast the horse pic
Laughsome macaca
  04/05/18
his life is objectively hilarious. spends decades describing...
ruby piazza
  04/05/18
Well, that's one perspective. Hehe
Laughsome macaca
  04/05/18
talk about shitlib, there are reasonable ways of reading nie...
ruby piazza
  04/05/18
I'll have to use that: "Guy Debord you are one ugly mot...
soul-stirring lavender whorehouse
  04/05/18
Have you ever lived in or visited a housing settlement for p...
Flushed field
  04/05/18
they probably look like that because of relative in breeding...
ruby piazza
  04/05/18
Well Greeks seemed to have similar beliefs, so the downward ...
Flushed field
  04/05/18
i would like OP to give examples and quotes pls
Maniacal electric furnace
  04/05/18
With Socrates, Greek taste changes in favor of dialectics. W...
avocado spectacular filthpig
  04/05/18
So he's saying Socrates was prole?
Chrome pocket flask ticket booth
  04/05/18
Socrates' agenda was largely focused on morality and virtue....
avocado spectacular filthpig
  04/05/18
?
bistre histrionic resort karate
  04/05/18
So I've looked at the data. Nietzsche was MAF Socrates wasn'...
Chrome pocket flask ticket booth
  04/15/18
Come on guys, it's the Socratic Method that counts, not stor...
Know-it-all adventurous dysfunction
  04/20/18
Lol no
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  05/04/21


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Date: April 5th, 2018 12:53 PM
Author: avocado spectacular filthpig

His attempts to impose his "ethics" on Athenian society at any cost, even the cost of his own life, set the stage for liberal hand wringing for millennia to come. He's like the Robert Johnson of shitlibbery.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35769840)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 12:55 PM
Author: Jet point kitty cat

Twist: the conventional portrait of Socrates is likely complete BS invented by Plato. The real Socrates was likely much closer to what he was accused of being.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35769857)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 12:56 PM
Author: avocado spectacular filthpig

That's not a twist. It's exactly what I'm saying. When Socrates' "ethics" led to mass murder he did nothing. His defense at trial was a Kaepernick-style unhinged rant, so offensive that many jurors who had voted to acquit at the trial stage ended up voting for him to be put to death at the sentencing stage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35769865)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 1:13 PM
Author: peach hideous plaza marketing idea



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35769995)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 1:21 PM
Author: avocado spectacular filthpig

Socrates was the trigglypuff of his time. Jews had nothing to do with it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35770080)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 11:06 AM
Author: coiffed supple rigor church building



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#42398389)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 12:55 PM
Author: Cruel-hearted sound barrier

interesting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35769858)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 12:56 PM
Author: Laughsome macaca

To Russell, he's a fascist; Nietzsche, the progenitor of lib victimization; but, like David, I shall always remember him as a nude lifter and all around musclestud.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35769862)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 12:57 PM
Author: avocado spectacular filthpig

You think libs can't act like fascists?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35769868)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 12:59 PM
Author: Laughsome macaca

Of course they can, but Russell, a pacifist socialist, doubtful had that in mind.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35769887)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 1:03 PM
Author: Bronze international law enforcement agency



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35769908)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 1:04 PM
Author: Laughsome macaca

NOTHING I KNOW

I WON'T LIFT CLOTHED

DRINK THE HEMLOCK

DIE IN MY HOME!

(to the tune of "All the Small Things")

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35769918)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 1:05 PM
Author: Bronze international law enforcement agency



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35769934)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 1:06 PM
Author: Laughsome macaca

Cornell student insisting she die of alcohol poisoning in Athens

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35769939)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 1:07 PM
Author: Bronze international law enforcement agency



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35769942)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 1:10 PM
Author: Laughsome macaca

MY intersectional dialogs

MY slander of lisping Alcibiades

MY totes courageous death

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35769964)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 1:10 PM
Author: Bronze international law enforcement agency



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35769965)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 1:17 PM
Author: ruby piazza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35770034)



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Date: April 20th, 2018 10:14 AM
Author: avocado spectacular filthpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35880858)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 1:13 PM
Author: flickering reading party rehab



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35769994)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 12:57 PM
Author: Talking tan goyim

He really didn't, but I guess appearance matters more than reality

What really goes underappreciated is that Socrates was associated with real traitors like that Alcibiades guy, and the "corrupting the minds of the young" was really about more than Euthyphro dilemma bullshit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35769869)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 1:00 PM
Author: avocado spectacular filthpig

Yes, just like shitlibs today he stood back and tacitly permitted all kinds of bloodshed and the near destruction of Athenian society based of his faggot morals.

Also he was a legit faggot who boned Anytus' young son.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35769888)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 12:58 PM
Author: puce shitlib office

Socrates distinguished himself and his dame for conspicuous bravery in battle on behalf of his mother city state. How does this square with modern liberals who shy from conventional notions of patriotism?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35769873)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 1:04 PM
Author: avocado spectacular filthpig

He was a turncoat who ultimately sided with sparta. That's why he got got.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35769913)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:06 PM
Author: Rose Halford National

and John Kerry served on swiftboats and won multiple purple hearts. your point?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35845068)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 12:58 PM
Author: ruby piazza

Out the passages

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35769877)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 1:11 PM
Author: avocado spectacular filthpig

In origin, Socrates belonged to the lowest class: Socrates was plebs. We know, we can still see for ourselves, how ugly he was. But ugliness, in itself an objection, is among the Greeks almost a refutation. Was Socrates a Greek at all? Ugliness is often enough the expression of a development that has been crossed, thwarted by crossing. Or it appears as declining development. The anthropologists among the criminologists tell us that the typical criminal is ugly: monstrum in fronte, monstrum in animo. [“monster in face, monster in soul”] But the criminal is a decadent. Was Socrates a typical criminal? At least that would not be contradicted by the famous judgment of the physiognomist which sounded so offensive to the friends of Socrates. A foreigner who knew about faces once passed through Athens and told Socrates to his face that he was a monstrum -- that he harbored in himself all the bad vices and appetites. And Socrates merely answered: "You know me, sir!"

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Socrates' decadence is suggested not only by the admitted wantonness and anarchy of his instincts, but also by the hypertrophy of the logical faculty and that barbed malice which distinguishes him. Nor should we forget those auditory hallucinations which, as "the daimonion of Socrates," have been interpreted religiously. Everything in him is exaggerated, buffo, a caricature; everything is at the same time concealed, ulterior, subterranean. I seek to comprehend what idiosyncrasy begot that Socratic equation of reason, virtue, and happiness: that most bizarre of all equations which, moreover, is opposed to all the instincts of the earlier Greeks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35769979)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 1:15 PM
Author: ruby piazza

Nietzsche was an asshole, which is why his project to reconstruct Christianity from secular foundations failed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35770015)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 2:18 PM
Author: avocado spectacular filthpig

(Nietzsche)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35770572)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 2:49 PM
Author: ruby piazza

Nietzsche: "these stories that attempt to present a coherent, meaningful way of understanding the world? bullshit!

(live life as literature btw)

(read my thus spoke zarathustra book btw)"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35770889)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 3:02 PM
Author: Flushed field

Setting aside the difficulty of pinning down Nietzsche's true beliefs about anything, he seemed fully aware that he was a lonely shut-in who couldn't really function in polite society.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35771030)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 3:05 PM
Author: ruby piazza

he got pwned so hard by that chick

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35771074)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 3:06 PM
Author: Laughsome macaca

Poast the horse pic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35771080)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 3:16 PM
Author: ruby piazza

his life is objectively hilarious. spends decades describing an anti-compassion, hero worshiping philosophy then breaks down at the site of a horse being whipped (to my knowledge, dont know if apocryphal). dont know of a horse pic but this is my fav:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Nietzsche_paul-ree_lou-von-salome188.jpg

the chick was Lou Andreas-Salomé apparently, who was a nutcase

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Andreas-Salom%C3%A9



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35771235)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 2:50 PM
Author: Laughsome macaca

Well, that's one perspective. Hehe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35770895)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 2:54 PM
Author: ruby piazza

talk about shitlib, there are reasonable ways of reading nietzsche's epitemology as proto-postmodernist

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35770943)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 2:28 PM
Author: soul-stirring lavender whorehouse

I'll have to use that: "Guy Debord you are one ugly motherfucker!" "You know me, sir!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35770672)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 2:59 PM
Author: Flushed field

Have you ever lived in or visited a housing settlement for poors? I'm talking about trailer parks or apartment blocks where poors are the tenants. It's a cute liberal fiction to think that "there but for the grace of God go us all" in terms of their plight. But this is a ruse.

Poors have a different physical morphology from the rest of us. You will notice this if you look through police mugshots long enough. There is a very distinct type of poorfugliness that is different from the kinds of ugliness you see in the superior classes. Plenty of kids at elite colleges are ugly, but they are ugly in specific ways. These include failures of symmetry, gawkiness, paleness, blockiness, or plainness.

Poors are ugly as though they were almost, but not quite, retarded. You can see echos of mongolism or downsiness in their faces, as though mom's womb spritzed them with a little tard spray now and then.

Poors in groups live inferior lives. You can take a group of folks from the superior classes, take away their money, and make them live together, but they will never live like poors. They will speak and interact and behave differently. Poors - not merely poor people, or people without money - but POORS - are always recognizable.

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=377946&forum_id=2



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35770990)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 3:01 PM
Author: ruby piazza

they probably look like that because of relative in breeding. for most of history poor people could not marry outside of poor people. its a downward spiral

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_White

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35771024)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 3:04 PM
Author: Flushed field

Well Greeks seemed to have similar beliefs, so the downward spiral must have been occurring back then too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35771057)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 1:08 PM
Author: Maniacal electric furnace

i would like OP to give examples and quotes pls

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35769955)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 1:13 PM
Author: avocado spectacular filthpig

With Socrates, Greek taste changes in favor of dialectics. What really happened there? Above all, a noble taste is thus vanquished; with dialectics the plebs come to the top. Before Socrates, dialectic manners were repudiated in good society: they were considered bad manners, they were compromising. The young were warned against them. Furthermore, all such presentations of one's reasons were distrusted. Honest things, like honest men, do not carry their reasons in their hands like that. It is indecent to show all five fingers. What must first be proved is worth little. Wherever authority still forms part of good bearing, where one does not give reasons but commands, the dialectician is a kind of buffoon: one laughs at him, one does not take him seriously. Socrates was the buffoon who got himself taken seriously: what really happened there?

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One chooses dialectic only when one has no other means. One knows that one arouses mistrust with it, that it is not very persuasive. Nothing is easier to erase than a dialectical effect: the experience of every meeting at which there are speeches proves this. It can only be self-defense for those who no longer have other weapons. One must have to enforce one's right: until one reaches that point, one makes no use of it. The Jews were dialecticians for that reason; Reynard the Fox was one -- and Socrates too?

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Is the irony of Socrates an expression of revolt? Of plebeian ressentiment? Does he, as one oppressed, enjoy his own ferocity in the knife-thrusts of his syllogisms? Does he avenge himself on the noble people whom he fascinates? As a dialectician, one holds a merciless tool in one's hand; one can become a tyrant by means of it; one compromises those one conquers. The dialectician leaves it to his opponent to prove that he is no idiot: he makes one furious and helpless at the same time. The dialectician renders the intellect of his opponent powerless. Indeed? Is dialectic only a form of revenge in Socrates?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35769998)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 1:58 PM
Author: Chrome pocket flask ticket booth

So he's saying Socrates was prole?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35770417)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 2:04 PM
Author: avocado spectacular filthpig

Socrates' agenda was largely focused on morality and virtue. He didn't care about making society great, strong and powerful, but about living in conformity with certain ascetic virtues. Furthermore in hindsight we can easily recognize that Socrates' virtues were often arbitrary and quixotic, no more deserving of praise than the Dionysian virtues he attacked.

Nietzsche is saying Socrates won arguments solely through rhetoric, not on the strength of his ideas. And he did this by triumphantly proclaiming the eternal supremacy of his ideas even in the face of death, the ultimate virtue signal. This kind of argumentative approach was later adopted by Christians and became a mainstay of Western society, even after we lost our religion and stopped believing in God. For Nietzsche, modern liberalism was essentially Christianity minus god, employing socratic methods to disguise the fact that it is really just a power grab. Socrates own life exemplifies this, as his acolytes became brutal ANTIFA-like thugs and Socrates seems to have at least tacitly condoned their aggression.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35770460)



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Date: April 5th, 2018 2:03 PM
Author: bistre histrionic resort karate

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35770459)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:04 PM
Author: Chrome pocket flask ticket booth

So I've looked at the data. Nietzsche was MAF Socrates wasn't actually alive in his time for him to argue with. It's like being Mike Tyson in his prime wishing you could take on Ali in his prime but having up fight soup cans instead.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35845063)



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Date: April 20th, 2018 11:08 AM
Author: Know-it-all adventurous dysfunction

Come on guys, it's the Socratic Method that counts, not stories about how he was tried and how he died. The stories about that are of course morally ambiguous and subject to varying interpretations.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#35881227)



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Date: May 4th, 2021 11:06 AM
Author: Demanding Quadroon Mad Cow Disease

Lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3940077&forum_id=2#42398392)