Like completely done. It will become like an Eastern European shithole country.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35779975)

I am from SF - programmers are predominantly Asian/Indian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35780070)

tech need not be located in Silicon Valley

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35780097)

intelligence and ability? no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35780180)

Fuck, they can barely do ALGEBRA 1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35780194)

this genre of threading has surpassed parody.

these people live in a fantasy world

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35781511)

Everything has its time and place and all things that rise must fall

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35780171)

these guys were getting ><><><NOPUSSY><><><'d too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35780062)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35780091)

let us get BACK TO BASICS instead of this inflated bullshit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35780107)

Maybe I need to start learning now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35780118)

Eager to hear OP's responses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35780123)

Wechat - light years better than Whatsapp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35780126)

http://fortune.com/2017/11/21/china-innovation-dji/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35780157)

as always, if you're one of those clueless goys who thinks that china is gonna take over the world, you should go visit china in person

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35780177)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35780216)

it's impressive as fuck. esp the subways there. makes NYC's subway seem like a third world shithole.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35780250)

it's baked in

http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3908156&mc=8&forum_id=2

We do the breakthrough research and zhou chan benefits, yes he does.

"Dive deeper into the latest data on R&D spending, however, and continued US leadership in industrial innovation looks far less secure. The US remains dominant at the front end of R&D: the nation invests three times as much as any other economy in basic research, which focuses on the pursuit of scientific knowledge, and applied research, which turns discoveries into technologies useful to industry. (See Exhibit 1.) Breakthroughs in physics and material sciences, for example, have led to the digital technologies that have revolutionized virtually every industry.

But the picture is different when it comes to the back end of the R&D chain— development research, which translates new knowledge from basic and applied research into commercial products and new manufacturing processes. China recently surpassed the US as the biggest spender in that area. In another five years, China will be investing up to twice as much as the US on development research, assuming that both economies maintain their recent pace of spending growth. (See Exhibit 2.)"

https://www.bcg.com/en-us/publications/2017/lean-innovation-led-boost-us-manufacturing.aspx

"In other words, the U.S. Is doing the hard work of inventing new technologies, and China, among other countries, is reaping the benefits by taking those ideas and turning them into commercial products,the report says.

Other countries are free-riding on the U.S. investment," says Justin Rose, who co-authored the BCG study."

Scaling used to work well in Silicon Valley. Entrepreneurs came up with an invention. Investors gave them money to build their business. If the founders and their investors were lucky, the company grew and had an initial public offering, which brought in money that financed further growth.

I am fortunate to have lived through one such example. In 1968 two well-known technologists and their investor friends anted up $3 million to start Intel (INTC), making memory chips for the computer industry. From the beginning we had to figure out how to make our chips in volume. We had to build factories, hire, train, and retain employees, establish relationships with suppliers, and sort out a million other things before Intel could become a billion-dollar company. Three years later the company went public and grew to be one of the biggest technology companies in the world. By 1980, 10 years after our IPO, about 13,000 people worked for Intel in the U.S.

Not far from Intel's headquarters in Santa Clara, Calif., other companies developed. Tandem Computers went through a similar process, then Sun Microsystems, Cisco (CSCO), Netscape, and on and on. Some companies died along the way or were absorbed by others, but each survivor added to the complex technological ecosystem that came to be called Silicon Valley.

As time passed, wages and health-care costs rose in the U.S. China opened up. American companies discovered that they could have their manufacturing and even their engineering done more cheaply overseas. When they did so, margins improved. Management was happy, and so were stockholders. Growth continued, even more profitably. But the job machine began sputtering.

The 10X Factor

Today, manufacturing employment in the U.S. computer industry is about 166,000, lower than it was before the first PC, the MITS Altair 2800, was assembled in 1975 (figure-B). Meanwhile, a very effective computer manufacturing industry has emerged in Asia, employing about 1.5 million workers—factory employees, engineers, and managers. The largest of these companies is Hon Hai Precision Industry, also known as Foxconn. The company has grown at an astounding rate, first in Taiwan and later in China. Its revenues last year were $62 billion, larger than Apple (AAPL), Microsoft (MSFT), Dell (DELL), or Intel. Foxconn employs over 800,000 people, more than the combined worldwide head count of Apple, Dell, Microsoft, Hewlett-Packard (HPQ), Intel, and Sony (SNE) (figure-C).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35780218)

I think the US is going to be DONE HERE in our lifetime

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35780350)

Such is the case with advanced batteries. It has taken years and many false starts, but finally we are about to witness mass-produced electric cars and trucks. They all rely on lithium-ion batteries. What microprocessors are to computing, batteries are to electric vehicles. Unlike with microprocessors, the U.S. share of lithium-ion battery production is tiny (figure-E).

That's a problem. A new industry needs an effective ecosystem in which technology knowhow accumulates, experience builds on experience, and close relationships develop between supplier and customer. The U.S. lost its lead in batteries 30 years ago when it stopped making consumer electronics devices. Whoever made batteries then gained the exposure and relationships needed to learn to supply batteries for the more demanding laptop PC market, and after that, for the even more demanding automobile market. U.S. companies did not participate in the first phase and consequently were not in the running for all that followed. I doubt they will ever catch up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35780307)

This is real, real, really, really, real retarded, sir. First, go check the revenue numbers for MSFT, AAPL and Intel. The reason Apple, HP, MSFT and Dell have lower headcount than Foxconn is that they outsourced their drone worker bee jobs...to Foxconn (and Wistron, and others). Apple literally directs every movement of every little bug worker for 12 hours a day 7 days a week in the Foxconn factory. There is 0.0% of IP in an iPhone, iPad, MacBook, etc. that Foxconn owns that anyone else would want. Foxconn literally jumps when Tim Cook says how high. And that's the hyper-commodified business that is PCs and phones. Now check out enterprise software, or better yet, cloud client machines that will rape Foxconn and their hundreds of thousands of workerbugs within the next five years. Which companies own cloud computing, btw? This is a moron journalist MFEing out of his raw, slackened butthole that you're citing approvingly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35781065)

"Grove had a considerable influence on electronics manufacturing industries worldwide. He has been called the "guy who drove the growth phase" of Silicon Valley. In 1997, Time magazine chose him as "Man of the Year", for being "the person most responsible for the amazing growth in the power and the innovative potential of microchips." One source notes that by his accomplishments at Intel alone, he "merits a place alongside the great business leaders of the 20th century."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35781180)

our baby "elites" have been so hoodwinked that he mistakes one of the greatest tech industrialists in world history for a dumb journalist who lacks the True Knowledge of your average shit biglaw associate who reads the economist and closes deals (or at least commas in the signature page)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35781242)

and if you mention rapidly dissipating air pollution I will not respond

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35781271)

holy shit what do you think the Greeks thought about Rome?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35781300)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-25/kyle-bass-says-history-will-remember-xi-for-reckless-policies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35781350)

https://sinosphere.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/01/28/dystopian-reality-of-chinas-smog-captured-in-airpocalypse-app/

On many days, the sun is hidden behind a pale, brown veil of coal dust and other pollutants that is visible from space and smells like a chemical spill on fire. The United States Embassy’s air quality readings — widely viewed as more accurate than China’s official data — are censored on local smartphones. Air pollution has been linked to a spike in cancer rates in Beijing, a city made almost “uninhabitable for human beings” by smog, according to a study published last year by the Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences.

The American Embassy’s air quality index, or A.Q.I., uses standards set by the United States Environmental Protection Agency to measure pollutants on a scale that starts at zero, or “good,” and tops out at 500. Anything higher, as was recorded in Beijing in mid-January, is officially referred to as “beyond index.”

Expats call these bouts of horrifying pollution an “airpocalypse.” Not only does the term convey the epic dystopian reality of China’s smog, it offers a welcome bit of gallows humor amid an otherwise hopelessly depressing situation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35781374)

They have unsustainable debt levels, so they're trying to grow the economy large enough to make the debts serviceable (see Made in China 2025). They have insane environmental problems, so they're aggressively investment in wind and solar.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35781414)

If there’s a trade war between the U.S. and China, don’t blame Donald Trump : China started it long before he became president.

Even free traders and internationalists agree China’s predatory trade practices—which include forcing U.S. business to transfer valuable technology to Chinese firms and restricting access to Chinese markets—are undermining both its partners and the trading system.

Mr. Trump’s China crackdown is risky, but it’s on firmer legal, political and economic ground than many of his other trade complaints, for several reasons.

1. These products are different: The classic case for free trade predicts that each country specializes where it has a comparative advantage, lowering costs and raising incomes for everyone. If China subsidizes exports of steel to the U.S., in theory the U.S. still benefits because consumers and steel-using industries will have lower costs, and while some steel jobs will disappear, more productive jobs elsewhere will take their place.

But starting in the 1980s, economists recognized that comparative advantage couldn’t explain success in many industries such as commercial jetliners, microprocessors and software. These industries are difficult for competitors to enter because of steep costs for research and development, previously established technical standards, increasing returns to scale (costs drop the more you sell), and network effects (the more customers use the product, the more valuable it becomes).

In such industries, a handful of firms may reap the lion’s share of the wages and profits (what economists call rents), at the expense of others. China’s efforts are aimed at achieving such dominance in many of these industries by 2025.

“China is undermining or taking away some of our rents, so we are relatively worse off and they are better off,” says Dartmouth College economist Douglas Irwin, author of “Clashing over Commerce: A History of U.S. Trade Policy.” Unlike Mr. Trump’s tariffs on steel and aluminum, “a lot of economists would hold their fire in terms of attacking Trump for his China actions. I don’t think anyone can really defend the way China has moved in the past few years, violating intellectual property and forced technology transfer.”

2. The WTO isn’t enough: When China joined the World Trade Organization in 2001, many advocates thought it would play by the global rules against advantaging its own firms and hurting others. Instead, China does so anyway in ways not easily remedied by the WTO.

Rob Atkinson, president of the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation, notes that a WTO case typically requires evidence from an aggrieved company. But many foreign companies are reluctant to complain about their treatment in China for fear of retaliation, such as being investigated for antitrust, consumer abuse, fraud or espionage, or losing sales to state-controlled companies. With no balance of powers or independent courts, “there is no rule of law to constrain Chinese officials from implementing arbitrary and capricious mercantilist policies,” Mr. Atkinson and two co-authors wrote in an extensive critique of China a year ago.

It is also difficult to hold China accountable for its WTO obligations because its system is so opaque. Mr. Atkinson says many discriminatory measures aren’t published, or published only in Chinese. When the central government, under external pressure, rescinds some discriminatory measures, they reappear at the provincial and local level, he says.

3. The U.S. isn’t alone: Mr. Trump’s steel and aluminum tariffs were widely panned for hitting both China and law-abiding allies like Canada and western Europe alike.

By contrast, his ire at China is widely shared. French President Emmanuel Macron has called for a unified European Union policy against Chinese corporate takeovers.

“Everyone who trades with China faces this problem,” Peter Navarro, Mr. Trump’s trade adviser, told reporters Thursday. “Part of the process that we’ve undergone … is to have a significant outreach to our like-minded allies and trading partners.”

On Friday, the Trump Administration initiated a case at the WTO complaining that China unfairly treats foreign companies that license their technology to Chinese entities and uses contracts that discriminate against foreign technology. &#8203;The U.S. hopes other countries &#8203;join the case.

4. China isn’t like Japan: For decades, Japan, like China now, sought to help Japanese firms by limiting foreign access to its market, providing direct industrial support, and pushing western companies to license their technologies. Japanese companies did catch up in autos, electronics and computers, but the U.S. leapt ahead in new industries such as software and services. Japan’s economy entered a long slump in 1992 and hasn’t entirely escaped. Some say the current panic about China is similarly misplaced.

But Japan is different. It is a military ally and is thus sensitive to U.S. pressure on trade. China is a geostrategic rival pursuing and sometimes stealing U.S. secrets for both civilian and military purposes. Where Japan is democratic and transparent, China is authoritarian and opaque.

The scale is also different. Mr. Irwin notes that in 1987, President Ronald Reagan hit $300 million worth of Japanese imports with 100% tariffs for its failure to open its market to U.S. semiconductors. That pales next to the $50 billion worth of damage Trump officials say China’s trade practices inflict.

“New plays and musicals are often tried first in Philadelphia or Boston before going to Broadway,” says Clyde Prestowitz, president of the Economic Strategy Institute. “Well, Japan was Philadelphia. Now, with China, we’re on Broadway.”

Japan was reluctant to retaliate because it valued its political and strategic ties with the U.S. China under President Xi Jinping is turning more nationalist and adversarial, making it more willing to retaliate than Japan was.

This, however, means that the collateral damage of a trade war, and thus the risks of Mr. Trump’s strategy, are also much greater. The breadth of his action elevates the potential harm to American consumers, supply chains and exporters.

Mr. Irwin says it isn’t clear that Mr. Trump’s strategy is right. Taking China to the WTO might be a less dangerous approach. But he adds: “No one is saying we shouldn’t do anything.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35781700)

Tells you about quality of their case

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35795082)

All the original ideas come from the US and Europe. Mostly from the US.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35792208)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-25/kyle-bass-says-history-will-remember-xi-for-reckless-policies

Bass, who made a fortune betting against U.S. subprime mortgages, said in early 2016 that losses in Chinese banks could be four times bigger than those suffered by American lenders during the global financial crisis. He has said that crucial figures, like the share of non-performing loans, have been understated.

“Recklessly growing a banking system in pursuit of global economic growth and respect will cause severe financial instability in the years to come,” he said on Wednesday. “The dangerous $40 trillion credit experiment with Chinese characteristics will run its course.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35800385)

lol no. (((amerikkka))) in the era of muh diversity and muh immigration is "unsustainable" (hint: it hasn't been "sustained" for decades now).

inexorably, china sustains and expands.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3941307&forum_id=2#35800527)