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Which famous musician's legacy was helped most by an early death?

Intuitively I feel like Cobain is the right answer here, but...
Razzle-dazzle onyx crackhouse hunting ground
  04/23/18
Cobain for sure I don't know enough about Jim Morrison, b...
fragrant indigo jew lettuce
  04/23/18
i think it's either Joplin or Morrison. both were already i...
Rose low-t range
  04/23/18
Jim Croce is still alive as a guitar teacher in Fairborn, Oh...
Hideous stubborn cruise ship
  04/23/18
Elvis
Cordovan becky
  04/23/18
Jimi easily. Had he stayed alive, he would've gone the Mile...
charismatic point dingle berry
  04/23/18
Hendrix is a possibility, but his play was so unique and sou...
Razzle-dazzle onyx crackhouse hunting ground
  04/23/18
No way. It's not like Miles Davis's popular music is conside...
Sienna frum goal in life orchestra pit
  04/23/18
it's obscure to most non-musicians, particularly his albums ...
charismatic point dingle berry
  04/23/18
I don't know about that.
fragrant indigo jew lettuce
  04/23/18
not having a Jimi/Santana Grammys "mashup" in 2003...
Rose low-t range
  04/23/18
like prince
Grizzly deer antler address
  04/23/18
hank williams has to be up there. he was popular during his...
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  04/23/18
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bipolar soul-stirring house candlestick maker
  04/23/18
Wrong. Johnny Cash wasn't pop-country and remained relevant...
Yapping garnet hospital
  04/23/18
lol, don't be silly. songs like "walk the line" a...
Sinister submissive fanboi
  04/23/18
Johnny Cash's career was at a point of very high irrelevancy...
Autistic Whorehouse Indirect Expression
  04/23/18
Joplin or cobain
laughsome famous landscape painting
  04/23/18
Cr
painfully honest shrine degenerate
  04/23/18
how was joplin's career helped by her death? she sucked bef...
charismatic point dingle berry
  04/23/18
lol no, she's idolized by ugly fat boomers who love ugly fat...
Rose low-t range
  04/23/18
btw, the musicians i listed are just some suggestions. certa...
Razzle-dazzle onyx crackhouse hunting ground
  04/23/18
I always forget buddy holly even existed
laughsome famous landscape painting
  04/23/18
the Big Bopper was supposed to be on that plane. You're prob...
Plum disgusting main people
  04/23/18
holly was wildly-popular when he was alive and had a massive...
Sinister submissive fanboi
  04/23/18
Buddy Holly was cr and on his way to being huge
confused demanding ticket booth
  04/23/18
Buddy Holly is an interesting choice - he released a stunnin...
Shivering native regret
  04/24/18
Morrison.
Multi-colored swollen juggernaut
  04/23/18
Joplin wouldn't be anywhere close to as famous if not for he...
Very Tactful Feces Parlour
  04/23/18
...
laughsome famous landscape painting
  04/23/18
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Misunderstood impressive senate wrinkle
  04/23/18
Sublime is another example of an early death drastically inc...
laughsome famous landscape painting
  04/23/18
that's probably true
Razzle-dazzle onyx crackhouse hunting ground
  04/23/18
I heard an obscure sublime song last weekend that I had neve...
fragrant indigo jew lettuce
  04/23/18
Sublime are HUGE among the appropriate age group.
Yapping garnet hospital
  04/23/18
Morrison. He was on his way to becoming a has-been fat boome...
jade arousing church building
  04/23/18
Jim Morrison, easily. He was already in a steep decline. ...
disrespectful set
  04/23/18
Buddy Holly had a lot of future potential. Richie Valens an...
Yapping garnet hospital
  04/23/18
janis joplin
sickened hominid
  04/23/18
Sid Vicious, because he was a shitty "musician" an...
Aqua trailer park personal credit line
  04/23/18
I don't think he has a musical legacy though.
Yapping garnet hospital
  04/23/18
well, OP said "musician's legacy", not musical leg...
Aqua trailer park personal credit line
  04/23/18
this is pretty cr. look what became of johnny rotten post se...
sickened hominid
  04/23/18
Actually Public Image Ltd was a great band who made some rea...
Aqua trailer park personal credit line
  04/23/18
Cr
Autistic Whorehouse Indirect Expression
  04/23/18
Rotten had Public Image Ltd which was far superior to the Se...
Plum disgusting main people
  04/23/18
Public Image Ltd is pretty cr, faggit.
Yapping garnet hospital
  04/23/18
listen guys i never heard this public image or whatever band...
sickened hominid
  04/23/18
I'd say that he didn't have nearly as much fame with PiL as ...
Autistic Whorehouse Indirect Expression
  04/23/18
...
turquoise stirring stage
  04/24/18
Cobain easily, give nirvana two more albums and he's not the...
Histrionic telephone
  04/23/18
Cobain had future potential. He was actually talking about ...
Yapping garnet hospital
  04/23/18
...
Aqua trailer park personal credit line
  04/23/18
Sure, sure. It would have sucked
Histrionic telephone
  04/23/18
lol
sickened hominid
  04/23/18
What about Bob Marley? He's revered as almost a religious, ...
Aqua trailer park personal credit line
  04/23/18
Naw. He died at 36 from natural causes. I think his popula...
Yapping garnet hospital
  04/23/18
speaking of him, that's kind of what happened to robert john...
Sinister submissive fanboi
  04/23/18
Nah, reefer Bob was legit
boyish henna temple
  04/23/18
Scott Weiland
Grizzly deer antler address
  04/23/18
The Scott Weiland story is what would have happened to Kurt ...
Autistic Whorehouse Indirect Expression
  04/23/18
cr. scott weiland would be held in far higher esteem had he...
Rose low-t range
  04/24/18
The guy who sang la bamba
glittery vermilion heaven
  04/24/18
Richie Valens, already mentioned.
Yapping garnet hospital
  04/24/18
Isaac Brock
turquoise stirring stage
  04/24/18
morrison is prolly most cr but Elliott Smith is pretty clos...
diverse plaza macaca
  04/24/18
My moniker is partly an homage to E. Smith but I don't reall...
Autistic Whorehouse Indirect Expression
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:08 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle onyx crackhouse hunting ground

Intuitively I feel like Cobain is the right answer here, but what about people like Buddy Holly, Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Notorious B.I.G., etc?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902653)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:11 PM
Author: fragrant indigo jew lettuce

Cobain for sure

I don't know enough about Jim Morrison, but the Doors had like 9 studio albums plus multiple live albums. If he lived, he would just be another boomer musician who gets fat and dies at like 70

Notorious B.I.G. was helped, but if he were still alive I think he would still be somewhat relevant today, in the way that Jay Z and Snoop Dogg are today (not a ton of big hits anymore, but still around)

I don't know shit about Janis Joplin

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902687)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:12 PM
Author: Rose low-t range

i think it's either Joplin or Morrison. both were already in steady decline at time of death and got revived with publicity from death.

jim croce is probably another option. he was planning to quit music and become a screenwriter when his plane crashed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902699)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: Hideous stubborn cruise ship

Jim Croce is still alive as a guitar teacher in Fairborn, Ohio

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902839)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:13 PM
Author: Cordovan becky

Elvis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902706)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:14 PM
Author: charismatic point dingle berry

Jimi easily. Had he stayed alive, he would've gone the Miles free jazz route into obscurity rather than remain a perennial rock god.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902720)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:14 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle onyx crackhouse hunting ground

Hendrix is a possibility, but his play was so unique and soulful that he would have continued to be revered as a guitar icon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902727)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:14 PM
Author: Sienna frum goal in life orchestra pit

No way. It's not like Miles Davis's popular music is considered obscure now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902729)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:16 PM
Author: charismatic point dingle berry

it's obscure to most non-musicians, particularly his albums after bitches brew.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902749)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:18 PM
Author: fragrant indigo jew lettuce

I don't know about that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902762)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:45 PM
Author: Rose low-t range

not having a Jimi/Santana Grammys "mashup" in 2003 was probably the saving grace of our (((culture)))

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904974)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:18 PM
Author: Grizzly deer antler address

like prince

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905199)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:15 PM
Author: Sinister submissive fanboi

hank williams has to be up there. he was popular during his lifetime, but his style of "country-western" was actually getting overtaken by pop country near the end of his run. his death turned him into a cultural icon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902737)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:17 PM
Author: bipolar soul-stirring house candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902760)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:45 PM
Author: Yapping garnet hospital

Wrong. Johnny Cash wasn't pop-country and remained relevant right up to his death.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904977)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:52 PM
Author: Sinister submissive fanboi

lol, don't be silly. songs like "walk the line" and "ring of fire" (his biggest early hits) were much more pop-country than anything hank williams did aside from maybe "hey good lookin'". HW was doing weird, jittery songs like "kaw-liga" or singing plaintively about how he wasn't going to make it out of the world alive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905020)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:06 PM
Author: Autistic Whorehouse Indirect Expression

Johnny Cash's career was at a point of very high irrelevancy before he linked up with Rick Rubin to do the American albums

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905094)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:16 PM
Author: laughsome famous landscape painting

Joplin or cobain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902741)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:16 PM
Author: painfully honest shrine degenerate

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902747)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:17 PM
Author: charismatic point dingle berry

how was joplin's career helped by her death? she sucked before she died and didn't really get any more popular or revered posthumously

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902758)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:45 PM
Author: Rose low-t range

lol no, she's idolized by ugly fat boomers who love ugly fat singers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904978)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:21 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle onyx crackhouse hunting ground

btw, the musicians i listed are just some suggestions. certainly not meant to be exhaustive.

Buddy Holly certainly gets a lot of cache from dying in that plane crash. who knows if he'd have ever made it really big

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902789)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:23 PM
Author: laughsome famous landscape painting

I always forget buddy holly even existed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902807)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:52 PM
Author: Plum disgusting main people

the Big Bopper was supposed to be on that plane. You're probably thinking "who the fuck is the Big Bopper". Exactly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905021)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:54 PM
Author: Sinister submissive fanboi

holly was wildly-popular when he was alive and had a massive #1 hit in 1957 with "That'll Be the Day." richie valens is probably a better example of someone who became a lot more popular as a result of that crash, and then again after that 80's biopic came out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905035)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:06 PM
Author: confused demanding ticket booth

Buddy Holly was cr and on his way to being huge

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905096)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 6:11 AM
Author: Shivering native regret

Buddy Holly is an interesting choice - he released a stunning number of classic songs in an extraordinarily short period of time - like 18 months. There's no way he could've kept up anything like that pace.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906923)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:18 PM
Author: Multi-colored swollen juggernaut

Morrison.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902763)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:20 PM
Author: Very Tactful Feces Parlour

Joplin wouldn't be anywhere close to as famous if not for her death. Her most well-known album, with pretty much the only songs people know from her, was released posthumously

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902783)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:23 PM
Author: laughsome famous landscape painting



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902803)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:04 PM
Author: Misunderstood impressive senate wrinkle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905080)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: laughsome famous landscape painting

Sublime is another example of an early death drastically increasing their popularity. Not on the same level as some others, but certainly worth mentioning

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902816)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:26 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle onyx crackhouse hunting ground

that's probably true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902828)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:28 PM
Author: fragrant indigo jew lettuce

I heard an obscure sublime song last weekend that I had never heard before (not one of the usual ones you hear on the radio). it was awesome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902844)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: Yapping garnet hospital

Sublime are HUGE among the appropriate age group.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904987)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:31 PM
Author: jade arousing church building

Morrison. He was on his way to becoming a has-been fat boomer when he died.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902875)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:42 PM
Author: disrespectful set

Jim Morrison, easily. He was already in a steep decline.

Could maybe argue Ian Curtis.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904948)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:44 PM
Author: Yapping garnet hospital

Buddy Holly had a lot of future potential. Richie Valens and the Big Bopper OTOH are only remembered for dying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904958)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: sickened hominid

janis joplin

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904983)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:47 PM
Author: Aqua trailer park personal credit line

Sid Vicious, because he was a shitty "musician" and an utter retard who wouldn't have been able to go onto anything else and basically did nothing else but die. Instead he became an icon, on t-shirts, had movies made about him

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904991)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:56 PM
Author: Yapping garnet hospital

I don't think he has a musical legacy though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905041)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:57 PM
Author: Aqua trailer park personal credit line

well, OP said "musician's legacy", not musical legacy in particular

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905049)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:01 PM
Author: sickened hominid

this is pretty cr. look what became of johnny rotten post sex pistols. just a bloated rat faced brit with nothing interesting to say.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905070)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:02 PM
Author: Aqua trailer park personal credit line

Actually Public Image Ltd was a great band who made some really good albums in the 80s. And Rotten was a clever guy. But Sid Vicious was a literal retard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905073)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:03 PM
Author: Autistic Whorehouse Indirect Expression

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905078)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:02 PM
Author: Plum disgusting main people

Rotten had Public Image Ltd which was far superior to the Sex Pistols

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905074)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:02 PM
Author: Yapping garnet hospital

Public Image Ltd is pretty cr, faggit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905075)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:07 PM
Author: sickened hominid

listen guys i never heard this public image or whatever band so i stand by my post.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905098)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:27 PM
Author: Autistic Whorehouse Indirect Expression

I'd say that he didn't have nearly as much fame with PiL as he did with the Sex Pistols

But they still put out some good music

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905286)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 12:14 AM
Author: turquoise stirring stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906078)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:04 PM
Author: Histrionic telephone

Cobain easily, give nirvana two more albums and he's not the "voice of a generation" they're just another grunge band

Morrison was basically done already when he died and Hendrix would have done at least a couple more cool things

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905081)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:05 PM
Author: Yapping garnet hospital

Cobain had future potential. He was actually talking about moving on from grunge before he offed himself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905088)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:06 PM
Author: Aqua trailer park personal credit line



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905091)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:09 PM
Author: Histrionic telephone

Sure, sure. It would have sucked

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905111)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:19 PM
Author: sickened hominid

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905206)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:07 PM
Author: Aqua trailer park personal credit line

What about Bob Marley? He's revered as almost a religious, mystical figure thanks to his early death. Would he have turned into a boring old GC faggot later in life?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905102)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:14 PM
Author: Yapping garnet hospital

Naw. He died at 36 from natural causes. I think his popularity is based on a solid catalog of hits.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905151)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:21 PM
Author: Sinister submissive fanboi

speaking of him, that's kind of what happened to robert johnson. going from a regional celebrity to some kind of "blues saint," in large part because he died young.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905224)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:34 PM
Author: boyish henna temple

Nah, reefer Bob was legit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905840)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:19 PM
Author: Grizzly deer antler address

Scott Weiland

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905202)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:29 PM
Author: Autistic Whorehouse Indirect Expression

The Scott Weiland story is what would have happened to Kurt Cobain had he lived that long

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905295)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 12:13 AM
Author: Rose low-t range

cr. scott weiland would be held in far higher esteem had he not turned into an insufferable junkie twink

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906073)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 12:08 AM
Author: glittery vermilion heaven

The guy who sang la bamba

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906044)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 12:10 AM
Author: Yapping garnet hospital

Richie Valens, already mentioned.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906053)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 12:15 AM
Author: turquoise stirring stage

Isaac Brock

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906079)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 3:03 AM
Author: diverse plaza macaca

morrison is prolly most cr

but Elliott Smith is pretty close

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906676)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 3:20 AM
Author: Autistic Whorehouse Indirect Expression

My moniker is partly an homage to E. Smith but I don't really agree with him being a candidate for this thread. He hit a certain level of popularity in the early 2000s and just kinda maintained it. Didn't really increase it much posthumously IMO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906736)