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Which famous musician's legacy was helped most by an early death?

Intuitively I feel like Cobain is the right answer here, but...
concupiscible bronze really tough guy corner
  04/23/18
Cobain for sure I don't know enough about Jim Morrison, b...
underhanded galvanic home digit ratio
  04/23/18
i think it's either Joplin or Morrison. both were already i...
Thriller Fantasy-prone Ceo
  04/23/18
Jim Croce is still alive as a guitar teacher in Fairborn, Oh...
Clear Internal Respiration International Law Enforcement Agency
  04/23/18
Elvis
lilac harsh chapel incel
  04/23/18
Jimi easily. Had he stayed alive, he would've gone the Mile...
amethyst resort
  04/23/18
Hendrix is a possibility, but his play was so unique and sou...
concupiscible bronze really tough guy corner
  04/23/18
No way. It's not like Miles Davis's popular music is conside...
Poppy Federal Boltzmann
  04/23/18
it's obscure to most non-musicians, particularly his albums ...
amethyst resort
  04/23/18
I don't know about that.
underhanded galvanic home digit ratio
  04/23/18
not having a Jimi/Santana Grammys "mashup" in 2003...
Thriller Fantasy-prone Ceo
  04/23/18
like prince
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hank williams has to be up there. he was popular during his...
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  04/23/18
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  04/23/18
Wrong. Johnny Cash wasn't pop-country and remained relevant...
Trip Range Round Eye
  04/23/18
lol, don't be silly. songs like "walk the line" a...
Lascivious den twinkling uncleanness
  04/23/18
Johnny Cash's career was at a point of very high irrelevancy...
Misunderstood Crackhouse
  04/23/18
Joplin or cobain
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  04/23/18
Cr
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  04/23/18
how was joplin's career helped by her death? she sucked bef...
amethyst resort
  04/23/18
lol no, she's idolized by ugly fat boomers who love ugly fat...
Thriller Fantasy-prone Ceo
  04/23/18
btw, the musicians i listed are just some suggestions. certa...
concupiscible bronze really tough guy corner
  04/23/18
I always forget buddy holly even existed
Bright exhilarant affirmative action location
  04/23/18
the Big Bopper was supposed to be on that plane. You're prob...
White spectacular nursing home pocket flask
  04/23/18
holly was wildly-popular when he was alive and had a massive...
Lascivious den twinkling uncleanness
  04/23/18
Buddy Holly was cr and on his way to being huge
Gold passionate goyim parlor
  04/23/18
Buddy Holly is an interesting choice - he released a stunnin...
Stimulating unhinged feces
  04/24/18
Morrison.
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Joplin wouldn't be anywhere close to as famous if not for he...
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  04/23/18
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Sublime is another example of an early death drastically inc...
Bright exhilarant affirmative action location
  04/23/18
that's probably true
concupiscible bronze really tough guy corner
  04/23/18
I heard an obscure sublime song last weekend that I had neve...
underhanded galvanic home digit ratio
  04/23/18
Sublime are HUGE among the appropriate age group.
Trip Range Round Eye
  04/23/18
Morrison. He was on his way to becoming a has-been fat boome...
Glassy talking gas station
  04/23/18
Jim Morrison, easily. He was already in a steep decline. ...
cerebral coiffed faggot firefighter
  04/23/18
Buddy Holly had a lot of future potential. Richie Valens an...
Trip Range Round Eye
  04/23/18
janis joplin
rusted deer antler
  04/23/18
Sid Vicious, because he was a shitty "musician" an...
bat-shit-crazy mint church building
  04/23/18
I don't think he has a musical legacy though.
Trip Range Round Eye
  04/23/18
well, OP said "musician's legacy", not musical leg...
bat-shit-crazy mint church building
  04/23/18
this is pretty cr. look what became of johnny rotten post se...
rusted deer antler
  04/23/18
Actually Public Image Ltd was a great band who made some rea...
bat-shit-crazy mint church building
  04/23/18
Cr
Misunderstood Crackhouse
  04/23/18
Rotten had Public Image Ltd which was far superior to the Se...
White spectacular nursing home pocket flask
  04/23/18
Public Image Ltd is pretty cr, faggit.
Trip Range Round Eye
  04/23/18
listen guys i never heard this public image or whatever band...
rusted deer antler
  04/23/18
I'd say that he didn't have nearly as much fame with PiL as ...
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  04/23/18
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  04/24/18
Cobain easily, give nirvana two more albums and he's not the...
ebony nubile set
  04/23/18
Cobain had future potential. He was actually talking about ...
Trip Range Round Eye
  04/23/18
...
bat-shit-crazy mint church building
  04/23/18
Sure, sure. It would have sucked
ebony nubile set
  04/23/18
lol
rusted deer antler
  04/23/18
What about Bob Marley? He's revered as almost a religious, ...
bat-shit-crazy mint church building
  04/23/18
Naw. He died at 36 from natural causes. I think his popula...
Trip Range Round Eye
  04/23/18
speaking of him, that's kind of what happened to robert john...
Lascivious den twinkling uncleanness
  04/23/18
Nah, reefer Bob was legit
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  04/23/18
Scott Weiland
flesh fluffy casino toaster
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The Scott Weiland story is what would have happened to Kurt ...
Misunderstood Crackhouse
  04/23/18
cr. scott weiland would be held in far higher esteem had he...
Thriller Fantasy-prone Ceo
  04/24/18
The guy who sang la bamba
vibrant very tactful menage
  04/24/18
Richie Valens, already mentioned.
Trip Range Round Eye
  04/24/18
Isaac Brock
Lime rigor
  04/24/18
morrison is prolly most cr but Elliott Smith is pretty clos...
180 honey-headed jewess parlour
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My moniker is partly an homage to E. Smith but I don't reall...
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:08 PM
Author: concupiscible bronze really tough guy corner

Intuitively I feel like Cobain is the right answer here, but what about people like Buddy Holly, Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Notorious B.I.G., etc?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902653)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:11 PM
Author: underhanded galvanic home digit ratio

Cobain for sure

I don't know enough about Jim Morrison, but the Doors had like 9 studio albums plus multiple live albums. If he lived, he would just be another boomer musician who gets fat and dies at like 70

Notorious B.I.G. was helped, but if he were still alive I think he would still be somewhat relevant today, in the way that Jay Z and Snoop Dogg are today (not a ton of big hits anymore, but still around)

I don't know shit about Janis Joplin

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902687)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:12 PM
Author: Thriller Fantasy-prone Ceo

i think it's either Joplin or Morrison. both were already in steady decline at time of death and got revived with publicity from death.

jim croce is probably another option. he was planning to quit music and become a screenwriter when his plane crashed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902699)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: Clear Internal Respiration International Law Enforcement Agency

Jim Croce is still alive as a guitar teacher in Fairborn, Ohio

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902839)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:13 PM
Author: lilac harsh chapel incel

Elvis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902706)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:14 PM
Author: amethyst resort

Jimi easily. Had he stayed alive, he would've gone the Miles free jazz route into obscurity rather than remain a perennial rock god.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902720)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:14 PM
Author: concupiscible bronze really tough guy corner

Hendrix is a possibility, but his play was so unique and soulful that he would have continued to be revered as a guitar icon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902727)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:14 PM
Author: Poppy Federal Boltzmann

No way. It's not like Miles Davis's popular music is considered obscure now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902729)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:16 PM
Author: amethyst resort

it's obscure to most non-musicians, particularly his albums after bitches brew.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902749)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:18 PM
Author: underhanded galvanic home digit ratio

I don't know about that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902762)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:45 PM
Author: Thriller Fantasy-prone Ceo

not having a Jimi/Santana Grammys "mashup" in 2003 was probably the saving grace of our (((culture)))

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904974)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:18 PM
Author: flesh fluffy casino toaster

like prince

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905199)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:15 PM
Author: Lascivious den twinkling uncleanness

hank williams has to be up there. he was popular during his lifetime, but his style of "country-western" was actually getting overtaken by pop country near the end of his run. his death turned him into a cultural icon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902737)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:17 PM
Author: floppy field bbw



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902760)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:45 PM
Author: Trip Range Round Eye

Wrong. Johnny Cash wasn't pop-country and remained relevant right up to his death.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904977)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:52 PM
Author: Lascivious den twinkling uncleanness

lol, don't be silly. songs like "walk the line" and "ring of fire" (his biggest early hits) were much more pop-country than anything hank williams did aside from maybe "hey good lookin'". HW was doing weird, jittery songs like "kaw-liga" or singing plaintively about how he wasn't going to make it out of the world alive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905020)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:06 PM
Author: Misunderstood Crackhouse

Johnny Cash's career was at a point of very high irrelevancy before he linked up with Rick Rubin to do the American albums

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905094)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:16 PM
Author: Bright exhilarant affirmative action location

Joplin or cobain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902741)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:16 PM
Author: alcoholic base

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902747)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:17 PM
Author: amethyst resort

how was joplin's career helped by her death? she sucked before she died and didn't really get any more popular or revered posthumously

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902758)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:45 PM
Author: Thriller Fantasy-prone Ceo

lol no, she's idolized by ugly fat boomers who love ugly fat singers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904978)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:21 PM
Author: concupiscible bronze really tough guy corner

btw, the musicians i listed are just some suggestions. certainly not meant to be exhaustive.

Buddy Holly certainly gets a lot of cache from dying in that plane crash. who knows if he'd have ever made it really big

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902789)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:23 PM
Author: Bright exhilarant affirmative action location

I always forget buddy holly even existed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902807)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:52 PM
Author: White spectacular nursing home pocket flask

the Big Bopper was supposed to be on that plane. You're probably thinking "who the fuck is the Big Bopper". Exactly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905021)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:54 PM
Author: Lascivious den twinkling uncleanness

holly was wildly-popular when he was alive and had a massive #1 hit in 1957 with "That'll Be the Day." richie valens is probably a better example of someone who became a lot more popular as a result of that crash, and then again after that 80's biopic came out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905035)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:06 PM
Author: Gold passionate goyim parlor

Buddy Holly was cr and on his way to being huge

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905096)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 6:11 AM
Author: Stimulating unhinged feces

Buddy Holly is an interesting choice - he released a stunning number of classic songs in an extraordinarily short period of time - like 18 months. There's no way he could've kept up anything like that pace.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906923)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:18 PM
Author: arrogant hateful brunch

Morrison.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902763)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:20 PM
Author: azure vigorous shrine

Joplin wouldn't be anywhere close to as famous if not for her death. Her most well-known album, with pretty much the only songs people know from her, was released posthumously

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902783)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:23 PM
Author: Bright exhilarant affirmative action location



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902803)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:04 PM
Author: odious background story preventive strike



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905080)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: Bright exhilarant affirmative action location

Sublime is another example of an early death drastically increasing their popularity. Not on the same level as some others, but certainly worth mentioning

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902816)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:26 PM
Author: concupiscible bronze really tough guy corner

that's probably true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902828)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:28 PM
Author: underhanded galvanic home digit ratio

I heard an obscure sublime song last weekend that I had never heard before (not one of the usual ones you hear on the radio). it was awesome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902844)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: Trip Range Round Eye

Sublime are HUGE among the appropriate age group.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904987)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:31 PM
Author: Glassy talking gas station

Morrison. He was on his way to becoming a has-been fat boomer when he died.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902875)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:42 PM
Author: cerebral coiffed faggot firefighter

Jim Morrison, easily. He was already in a steep decline.

Could maybe argue Ian Curtis.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904948)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:44 PM
Author: Trip Range Round Eye

Buddy Holly had a lot of future potential. Richie Valens and the Big Bopper OTOH are only remembered for dying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904958)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: rusted deer antler

janis joplin

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904983)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:47 PM
Author: bat-shit-crazy mint church building

Sid Vicious, because he was a shitty "musician" and an utter retard who wouldn't have been able to go onto anything else and basically did nothing else but die. Instead he became an icon, on t-shirts, had movies made about him

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904991)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:56 PM
Author: Trip Range Round Eye

I don't think he has a musical legacy though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905041)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:57 PM
Author: bat-shit-crazy mint church building

well, OP said "musician's legacy", not musical legacy in particular

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905049)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:01 PM
Author: rusted deer antler

this is pretty cr. look what became of johnny rotten post sex pistols. just a bloated rat faced brit with nothing interesting to say.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905070)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:02 PM
Author: bat-shit-crazy mint church building

Actually Public Image Ltd was a great band who made some really good albums in the 80s. And Rotten was a clever guy. But Sid Vicious was a literal retard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905073)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:03 PM
Author: Misunderstood Crackhouse

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905078)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:02 PM
Author: White spectacular nursing home pocket flask

Rotten had Public Image Ltd which was far superior to the Sex Pistols

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905074)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:02 PM
Author: Trip Range Round Eye

Public Image Ltd is pretty cr, faggit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905075)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:07 PM
Author: rusted deer antler

listen guys i never heard this public image or whatever band so i stand by my post.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905098)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:27 PM
Author: Misunderstood Crackhouse

I'd say that he didn't have nearly as much fame with PiL as he did with the Sex Pistols

But they still put out some good music

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905286)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 12:14 AM
Author: Lime rigor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906078)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:04 PM
Author: ebony nubile set

Cobain easily, give nirvana two more albums and he's not the "voice of a generation" they're just another grunge band

Morrison was basically done already when he died and Hendrix would have done at least a couple more cool things

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905081)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:05 PM
Author: Trip Range Round Eye

Cobain had future potential. He was actually talking about moving on from grunge before he offed himself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905088)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:06 PM
Author: bat-shit-crazy mint church building



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905091)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:09 PM
Author: ebony nubile set

Sure, sure. It would have sucked

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905111)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:19 PM
Author: rusted deer antler

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905206)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:07 PM
Author: bat-shit-crazy mint church building

What about Bob Marley? He's revered as almost a religious, mystical figure thanks to his early death. Would he have turned into a boring old GC faggot later in life?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905102)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:14 PM
Author: Trip Range Round Eye

Naw. He died at 36 from natural causes. I think his popularity is based on a solid catalog of hits.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905151)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:21 PM
Author: Lascivious den twinkling uncleanness

speaking of him, that's kind of what happened to robert johnson. going from a regional celebrity to some kind of "blues saint," in large part because he died young.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905224)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:34 PM
Author: Maize deep indian lodge mediation

Nah, reefer Bob was legit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905840)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:19 PM
Author: flesh fluffy casino toaster

Scott Weiland

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905202)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:29 PM
Author: Misunderstood Crackhouse

The Scott Weiland story is what would have happened to Kurt Cobain had he lived that long

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905295)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 12:13 AM
Author: Thriller Fantasy-prone Ceo

cr. scott weiland would be held in far higher esteem had he not turned into an insufferable junkie twink

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906073)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 12:08 AM
Author: vibrant very tactful menage

The guy who sang la bamba

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906044)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 12:10 AM
Author: Trip Range Round Eye

Richie Valens, already mentioned.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906053)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 12:15 AM
Author: Lime rigor

Isaac Brock

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906079)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 3:03 AM
Author: 180 honey-headed jewess parlour

morrison is prolly most cr

but Elliott Smith is pretty close

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906676)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 3:20 AM
Author: Misunderstood Crackhouse

My moniker is partly an homage to E. Smith but I don't really agree with him being a candidate for this thread. He hit a certain level of popularity in the early 2000s and just kinda maintained it. Didn't really increase it much posthumously IMO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906736)