\
  The most prestigious law school admissions discussion board in the world.
BackRefresh Options Favorite

Which famous musician's legacy was helped most by an early death?

Intuitively I feel like Cobain is the right answer here, but...
sadistic deer antler masturbator
  04/23/18
Cobain for sure I don't know enough about Jim Morrison, b...
Deep locus
  04/23/18
i think it's either Joplin or Morrison. both were already i...
Charismatic mint becky
  04/23/18
Jim Croce is still alive as a guitar teacher in Fairborn, Oh...
bateful lavender national
  04/23/18
Elvis
Vivacious church multi-billionaire
  04/23/18
Jimi easily. Had he stayed alive, he would've gone the Mile...
Titillating vermilion bawdyhouse
  04/23/18
Hendrix is a possibility, but his play was so unique and sou...
sadistic deer antler masturbator
  04/23/18
No way. It's not like Miles Davis's popular music is conside...
Bearded Odious Theater
  04/23/18
it's obscure to most non-musicians, particularly his albums ...
Titillating vermilion bawdyhouse
  04/23/18
I don't know about that.
Deep locus
  04/23/18
not having a Jimi/Santana Grammys "mashup" in 2003...
Charismatic mint becky
  04/23/18
like prince
garnet karate
  04/23/18
hank williams has to be up there. he was popular during his...
olive buck-toothed state
  04/23/18
...
nudist goal in life pisswyrm
  04/23/18
Wrong. Johnny Cash wasn't pop-country and remained relevant...
rusted contagious mad cow disease garrison
  04/23/18
lol, don't be silly. songs like "walk the line" a...
olive buck-toothed state
  04/23/18
Johnny Cash's career was at a point of very high irrelevancy...
Adulterous electric chad
  04/23/18
Joplin or cobain
Chocolate razzle-dazzle spot
  04/23/18
Cr
Histrionic umber place of business roast beef
  04/23/18
how was joplin's career helped by her death? she sucked bef...
Titillating vermilion bawdyhouse
  04/23/18
lol no, she's idolized by ugly fat boomers who love ugly fat...
Charismatic mint becky
  04/23/18
btw, the musicians i listed are just some suggestions. certa...
sadistic deer antler masturbator
  04/23/18
I always forget buddy holly even existed
Chocolate razzle-dazzle spot
  04/23/18
the Big Bopper was supposed to be on that plane. You're prob...
excitant aqua circlehead church building
  04/23/18
holly was wildly-popular when he was alive and had a massive...
olive buck-toothed state
  04/23/18
Buddy Holly was cr and on his way to being huge
Gold market
  04/23/18
Buddy Holly is an interesting choice - he released a stunnin...
provocative community account
  04/24/18
Morrison.
Topaz Newt Background Story
  04/23/18
Joplin wouldn't be anywhere close to as famous if not for he...
Drunken Temple Double Fault
  04/23/18
...
Chocolate razzle-dazzle spot
  04/23/18
...
Exciting ungodly parlor
  04/23/18
Sublime is another example of an early death drastically inc...
Chocolate razzle-dazzle spot
  04/23/18
that's probably true
sadistic deer antler masturbator
  04/23/18
I heard an obscure sublime song last weekend that I had neve...
Deep locus
  04/23/18
Sublime are HUGE among the appropriate age group.
rusted contagious mad cow disease garrison
  04/23/18
Morrison. He was on his way to becoming a has-been fat boome...
Razzmatazz Ceo Jewess
  04/23/18
Jim Morrison, easily. He was already in a steep decline. ...
Supple shrine
  04/23/18
Buddy Holly had a lot of future potential. Richie Valens an...
rusted contagious mad cow disease garrison
  04/23/18
janis joplin
Floppy potus pervert
  04/23/18
Sid Vicious, because he was a shitty "musician" an...
mind-boggling headpube immigrant
  04/23/18
I don't think he has a musical legacy though.
rusted contagious mad cow disease garrison
  04/23/18
well, OP said "musician's legacy", not musical leg...
mind-boggling headpube immigrant
  04/23/18
this is pretty cr. look what became of johnny rotten post se...
Floppy potus pervert
  04/23/18
Actually Public Image Ltd was a great band who made some rea...
mind-boggling headpube immigrant
  04/23/18
Cr
Adulterous electric chad
  04/23/18
Rotten had Public Image Ltd which was far superior to the Se...
excitant aqua circlehead church building
  04/23/18
Public Image Ltd is pretty cr, faggit.
rusted contagious mad cow disease garrison
  04/23/18
listen guys i never heard this public image or whatever band...
Floppy potus pervert
  04/23/18
I'd say that he didn't have nearly as much fame with PiL as ...
Adulterous electric chad
  04/23/18
...
fishy vibrant base
  04/24/18
Cobain easily, give nirvana two more albums and he's not the...
Swashbuckling Business Firm Queen Of The Night
  04/23/18
Cobain had future potential. He was actually talking about ...
rusted contagious mad cow disease garrison
  04/23/18
...
mind-boggling headpube immigrant
  04/23/18
Sure, sure. It would have sucked
Swashbuckling Business Firm Queen Of The Night
  04/23/18
lol
Floppy potus pervert
  04/23/18
What about Bob Marley? He's revered as almost a religious, ...
mind-boggling headpube immigrant
  04/23/18
Naw. He died at 36 from natural causes. I think his popula...
rusted contagious mad cow disease garrison
  04/23/18
speaking of him, that's kind of what happened to robert john...
olive buck-toothed state
  04/23/18
Nah, reefer Bob was legit
Flickering Cracking Keepsake Machete
  04/23/18
Scott Weiland
garnet karate
  04/23/18
The Scott Weiland story is what would have happened to Kurt ...
Adulterous electric chad
  04/23/18
cr. scott weiland would be held in far higher esteem had he...
Charismatic mint becky
  04/24/18
The guy who sang la bamba
Cruel-hearted locale
  04/24/18
Richie Valens, already mentioned.
rusted contagious mad cow disease garrison
  04/24/18
Isaac Brock
fishy vibrant base
  04/24/18
morrison is prolly most cr but Elliott Smith is pretty clos...
Sooty Gaped Resort Genital Piercing
  04/24/18
My moniker is partly an homage to E. Smith but I don't reall...
Adulterous electric chad
  04/24/18


Poast new message in this thread



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:08 PM
Author: sadistic deer antler masturbator

Intuitively I feel like Cobain is the right answer here, but what about people like Buddy Holly, Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Notorious B.I.G., etc?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902653)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:11 PM
Author: Deep locus

Cobain for sure

I don't know enough about Jim Morrison, but the Doors had like 9 studio albums plus multiple live albums. If he lived, he would just be another boomer musician who gets fat and dies at like 70

Notorious B.I.G. was helped, but if he were still alive I think he would still be somewhat relevant today, in the way that Jay Z and Snoop Dogg are today (not a ton of big hits anymore, but still around)

I don't know shit about Janis Joplin

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902687)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:12 PM
Author: Charismatic mint becky

i think it's either Joplin or Morrison. both were already in steady decline at time of death and got revived with publicity from death.

jim croce is probably another option. he was planning to quit music and become a screenwriter when his plane crashed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902699)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: bateful lavender national

Jim Croce is still alive as a guitar teacher in Fairborn, Ohio

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902839)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:13 PM
Author: Vivacious church multi-billionaire

Elvis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902706)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:14 PM
Author: Titillating vermilion bawdyhouse

Jimi easily. Had he stayed alive, he would've gone the Miles free jazz route into obscurity rather than remain a perennial rock god.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902720)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:14 PM
Author: sadistic deer antler masturbator

Hendrix is a possibility, but his play was so unique and soulful that he would have continued to be revered as a guitar icon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902727)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:14 PM
Author: Bearded Odious Theater

No way. It's not like Miles Davis's popular music is considered obscure now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902729)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:16 PM
Author: Titillating vermilion bawdyhouse

it's obscure to most non-musicians, particularly his albums after bitches brew.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902749)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:18 PM
Author: Deep locus

I don't know about that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902762)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:45 PM
Author: Charismatic mint becky

not having a Jimi/Santana Grammys "mashup" in 2003 was probably the saving grace of our (((culture)))

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904974)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:18 PM
Author: garnet karate

like prince

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905199)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:15 PM
Author: olive buck-toothed state

hank williams has to be up there. he was popular during his lifetime, but his style of "country-western" was actually getting overtaken by pop country near the end of his run. his death turned him into a cultural icon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902737)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:17 PM
Author: nudist goal in life pisswyrm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902760)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:45 PM
Author: rusted contagious mad cow disease garrison

Wrong. Johnny Cash wasn't pop-country and remained relevant right up to his death.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904977)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:52 PM
Author: olive buck-toothed state

lol, don't be silly. songs like "walk the line" and "ring of fire" (his biggest early hits) were much more pop-country than anything hank williams did aside from maybe "hey good lookin'". HW was doing weird, jittery songs like "kaw-liga" or singing plaintively about how he wasn't going to make it out of the world alive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905020)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:06 PM
Author: Adulterous electric chad

Johnny Cash's career was at a point of very high irrelevancy before he linked up with Rick Rubin to do the American albums

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905094)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:16 PM
Author: Chocolate razzle-dazzle spot

Joplin or cobain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902741)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:16 PM
Author: Histrionic umber place of business roast beef

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902747)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:17 PM
Author: Titillating vermilion bawdyhouse

how was joplin's career helped by her death? she sucked before she died and didn't really get any more popular or revered posthumously

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902758)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:45 PM
Author: Charismatic mint becky

lol no, she's idolized by ugly fat boomers who love ugly fat singers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904978)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:21 PM
Author: sadistic deer antler masturbator

btw, the musicians i listed are just some suggestions. certainly not meant to be exhaustive.

Buddy Holly certainly gets a lot of cache from dying in that plane crash. who knows if he'd have ever made it really big

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902789)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:23 PM
Author: Chocolate razzle-dazzle spot

I always forget buddy holly even existed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902807)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:52 PM
Author: excitant aqua circlehead church building

the Big Bopper was supposed to be on that plane. You're probably thinking "who the fuck is the Big Bopper". Exactly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905021)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:54 PM
Author: olive buck-toothed state

holly was wildly-popular when he was alive and had a massive #1 hit in 1957 with "That'll Be the Day." richie valens is probably a better example of someone who became a lot more popular as a result of that crash, and then again after that 80's biopic came out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905035)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:06 PM
Author: Gold market

Buddy Holly was cr and on his way to being huge

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905096)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 24th, 2018 6:11 AM
Author: provocative community account

Buddy Holly is an interesting choice - he released a stunning number of classic songs in an extraordinarily short period of time - like 18 months. There's no way he could've kept up anything like that pace.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906923)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:18 PM
Author: Topaz Newt Background Story

Morrison.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902763)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:20 PM
Author: Drunken Temple Double Fault

Joplin wouldn't be anywhere close to as famous if not for her death. Her most well-known album, with pretty much the only songs people know from her, was released posthumously

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902783)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:23 PM
Author: Chocolate razzle-dazzle spot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902803)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:04 PM
Author: Exciting ungodly parlor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905080)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: Chocolate razzle-dazzle spot

Sublime is another example of an early death drastically increasing their popularity. Not on the same level as some others, but certainly worth mentioning

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902816)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:26 PM
Author: sadistic deer antler masturbator

that's probably true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902828)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:28 PM
Author: Deep locus

I heard an obscure sublime song last weekend that I had never heard before (not one of the usual ones you hear on the radio). it was awesome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902844)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: rusted contagious mad cow disease garrison

Sublime are HUGE among the appropriate age group.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904987)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:31 PM
Author: Razzmatazz Ceo Jewess

Morrison. He was on his way to becoming a has-been fat boomer when he died.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35902875)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:42 PM
Author: Supple shrine

Jim Morrison, easily. He was already in a steep decline.

Could maybe argue Ian Curtis.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904948)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:44 PM
Author: rusted contagious mad cow disease garrison

Buddy Holly had a lot of future potential. Richie Valens and the Big Bopper OTOH are only remembered for dying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904958)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: Floppy potus pervert

janis joplin

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904983)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:47 PM
Author: mind-boggling headpube immigrant

Sid Vicious, because he was a shitty "musician" and an utter retard who wouldn't have been able to go onto anything else and basically did nothing else but die. Instead he became an icon, on t-shirts, had movies made about him

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35904991)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:56 PM
Author: rusted contagious mad cow disease garrison

I don't think he has a musical legacy though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905041)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:57 PM
Author: mind-boggling headpube immigrant

well, OP said "musician's legacy", not musical legacy in particular

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905049)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:01 PM
Author: Floppy potus pervert

this is pretty cr. look what became of johnny rotten post sex pistols. just a bloated rat faced brit with nothing interesting to say.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905070)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:02 PM
Author: mind-boggling headpube immigrant

Actually Public Image Ltd was a great band who made some really good albums in the 80s. And Rotten was a clever guy. But Sid Vicious was a literal retard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905073)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:03 PM
Author: Adulterous electric chad

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905078)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:02 PM
Author: excitant aqua circlehead church building

Rotten had Public Image Ltd which was far superior to the Sex Pistols

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905074)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:02 PM
Author: rusted contagious mad cow disease garrison

Public Image Ltd is pretty cr, faggit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905075)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:07 PM
Author: Floppy potus pervert

listen guys i never heard this public image or whatever band so i stand by my post.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905098)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:27 PM
Author: Adulterous electric chad

I'd say that he didn't have nearly as much fame with PiL as he did with the Sex Pistols

But they still put out some good music

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905286)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 24th, 2018 12:14 AM
Author: fishy vibrant base



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906078)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:04 PM
Author: Swashbuckling Business Firm Queen Of The Night

Cobain easily, give nirvana two more albums and he's not the "voice of a generation" they're just another grunge band

Morrison was basically done already when he died and Hendrix would have done at least a couple more cool things

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905081)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:05 PM
Author: rusted contagious mad cow disease garrison

Cobain had future potential. He was actually talking about moving on from grunge before he offed himself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905088)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:06 PM
Author: mind-boggling headpube immigrant



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905091)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:09 PM
Author: Swashbuckling Business Firm Queen Of The Night

Sure, sure. It would have sucked

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905111)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:19 PM
Author: Floppy potus pervert

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905206)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:07 PM
Author: mind-boggling headpube immigrant

What about Bob Marley? He's revered as almost a religious, mystical figure thanks to his early death. Would he have turned into a boring old GC faggot later in life?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905102)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:14 PM
Author: rusted contagious mad cow disease garrison

Naw. He died at 36 from natural causes. I think his popularity is based on a solid catalog of hits.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905151)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:21 PM
Author: olive buck-toothed state

speaking of him, that's kind of what happened to robert johnson. going from a regional celebrity to some kind of "blues saint," in large part because he died young.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905224)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:34 PM
Author: Flickering Cracking Keepsake Machete

Nah, reefer Bob was legit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905840)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:19 PM
Author: garnet karate

Scott Weiland

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905202)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:29 PM
Author: Adulterous electric chad

The Scott Weiland story is what would have happened to Kurt Cobain had he lived that long

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35905295)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 24th, 2018 12:13 AM
Author: Charismatic mint becky

cr. scott weiland would be held in far higher esteem had he not turned into an insufferable junkie twink

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906073)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 24th, 2018 12:08 AM
Author: Cruel-hearted locale

The guy who sang la bamba

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906044)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 24th, 2018 12:10 AM
Author: rusted contagious mad cow disease garrison

Richie Valens, already mentioned.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906053)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 24th, 2018 12:15 AM
Author: fishy vibrant base

Isaac Brock

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906079)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 24th, 2018 3:03 AM
Author: Sooty Gaped Resort Genital Piercing

morrison is prolly most cr

but Elliott Smith is pretty close

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906676)



Reply Favorite

Date: April 24th, 2018 3:20 AM
Author: Adulterous electric chad

My moniker is partly an homage to E. Smith but I don't really agree with him being a candidate for this thread. He hit a certain level of popularity in the early 2000s and just kinda maintained it. Didn't really increase it much posthumously IMO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957604&forum_id=2#35906736)