High school students suspended for putting confederate flags on cars
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Date: May 1st, 2018 10:03 AM Author: Elite ratface locus
A high school in North Carolina suspended several students last week after they allegedly refused to take down Confederate flags on their vehicles.
Burns High School Principal Mickey Morehead claims that the students were suspended for insubordination after they were asked to remove the flags, the Shelby Star reported.
"They were asked to remove the flags, and they didn’t,” Morehead said. The school released the following statement:
Any conduct that would cause a disruption in our educational environment may be subject to discipline via the CCS Code of Conduct. Please understand that an immediate suspension may very well likely not be the consequence of a matter such as the one in question.
Cleveland County Schools spokesman Greg Shull added, “The flags were seen as a disruption at the school.”
The student handbook outlines what the school considers insubordination:
Students are expected to comply without delay to the directives of all school personnel at all times while a student is at school or involved in a school-related activity. Students who fail to comply with the directions of any school personnel anytime during the school day, during extra-curricular activities or during any period that the school personnel has authority, have violated this policy.
A junior at the high school who was suspended told FOX 46 that he thinks 10 students were suspended for flying Confederate flags.
“I thought it was kind of ridiculous, so I was like ok I see how it is,” the student, who did not want to be identified, said. The student also indicated that flying the Confederate flag was not about showing disrespect and the students were not promoting hate.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/30059/high-school-suspends-students-who-have-confederate-ryan-saavedra?amp&__twitter_impression=true
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3965076&forum_id=2#35957593) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 10:35 AM Author: Rose hyperactive senate volcanic crater
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The Supreme Court rejected a free-speech appeal Monday from several California high school students who were told they could not wear a shirt emblazoned with an American flag on the Cinco de Mayo holiday.
The court's action has the effect of upholding school officials who said they acted because they feared an outbreak of fighting between white and Mexican American students."
Ah yes, "wearing American flags" causes "fighting." Hey I have an idea, if a student will fight with somebody else because they're wearing an American flag, expel them.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3965076&forum_id=2#35957757) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 10:24 AM Author: laughsome shitlib
Why is it "silly"?
"Realistically, though, no one would complaint about a BLM banner and a principal would never request to remove one."
Take a guess as to why.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3965076&forum_id=2#35957691) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 10:38 AM Author: Rose hyperactive senate volcanic crater
The argument for the Mexican flag is at least as strong as the Confederacy.
As I understand it, libs are arguing against displays of the Confederate flag because it engaged in a rebellion against the United States. Mexico has also been in a war against the United States and, to this very day, actively assists alien infiltrators in crossing the border. If, alternatively, the argument against the Confederate flag is that it has a racist past than so does Mexico.
Similarly, "BLM" actively opposes the slogan "All Lives Matter" and therefore can be seen as a supremacy movement.
The difference, of course, is that black students will cause violence if they don't like something and whites won't, so the things black students want vetoed get vetoed. Similar to why the American flag got banned in California-- because Mexicans were causing fights over it. Whites are losing out precisely because they don't resort to violence and intimidation.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3965076&forum_id=2#35957771) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 10:52 AM Author: violent insane library cuckoldry
The equivocation of the Mexican and Confederate flags is disingenuous and I'm sure you know that without me having to post some laundry list of the painfully apparent differences.
Prohibiting the display of an American flag at a school is a very different matter and, I believe, the circumstances were quite different than the OP.
Do you really think that students being asked to remove a confederate flag from a car that's parked on public school grounds means that whites are "losing?"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3965076&forum_id=2#35957846) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 11:09 AM Author: Rose hyperactive senate volcanic crater
What EXACTLY do you believe is the distinction between the Mexican and Confederate flags here? "People only threaten violence over one" doesn't count.
"Prohibiting the display of an American flag at a school is a very different matter and, I believe, the circumstances were quite different than the OP."
It's the same thing-- a racial minority threatened violence and rather than deal with the violence, the school policed the victims.
"Do you really think that students being asked to remove a confederate flag from a car that's parked on public school grounds means that whites are "losing?"
If, as is painfully apparent, the response to threatened violence is to deal with the people being threatened rather than the people doing the threatening, then yes.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3965076&forum_id=2#35957970) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 11:38 AM Author: Rose hyperactive senate volcanic crater
I'm not defending 100% free speech in schools. I am criticizing the usage of "BUT I'M OFFENDED!!!" as an all-purpose QED for banning something. A Bhuddist (or anybody) genuinely using a swastika as a positive symbol should not have that banned because of unrelated negative associations. Similarly, that other people have done bad things with the Confederate Flag does not justify a universal ban, just like some people doing bad things with the Mexican/American flag justifies banning those flags.
"The vast, vast majority of usage of the Mexican or American flags is benign. Can the same be said for the confederate flag? "
Yes. Most people using the Confederate Flag aren't making a racial or negative statement. But even if they were, that doesn't say anything about what THESE kids are doing. And you do appear to be saying that the American or Mexican flags could be banned, if the real world usage of those flags changed to your liking. Rather than perform this far reaching inquiry into how a symbol is used, why not judge what the speakers are actually doing?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3965076&forum_id=2#35958198) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 10:55 AM Author: Dun thriller idea he suggested
"That's a slippery slope! X would never happen!"
*Poasts several examples of X happening*
"Look this thread is not about X, ok?"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3965076&forum_id=2#35957871)
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Date: May 1st, 2018 10:59 AM Author: Rose hyperactive senate volcanic crater
If there was a generalized rule against profanity applied even-handedly, then sure maybe-- although even then it would have to ban similar words such as "Cracker"/"Honkey"/etc.
But note even that in your shirt example, the only reason it's a problem is because we've socially accepted the idea that blacks can use the word as much as they like in any context but it's simultaneously unacceptable for anybody else to do so. This is an early example of using violence and intimidation to gain special rights in the domain of speech and that it's your go-to justification says something.
What makes the confederate flag "disruptive" is that students will become violent over its display. This decision is rewarding the threat of violence, just like the Mexican kids upthread who managed to get the American flag banned by starting fights. So, you may think that banning the display of an American flag is outside that latitude, but it's already happening.
So here's a better idea: Regulate the violent students and don't reward them for it. If violence isn't rewarded, then you'll see less of it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3965076&forum_id=2#35957899) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 11:11 AM Author: Rose hyperactive senate volcanic crater
"The confederate flag example is interesting because, for some people, it is equivalent to a racial slur in itself. This gets trickier, the more nuanced the examples become but I think the confederate flag is such a starkly inflammatory symbol that it's not unreasonable to request that it be removed.
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This is completely circular and does nothing . If the grounds for something something is "its inflammatory," then you just need a critical mass of people to act inflamed to get anything banned, including the American flag (as happened in California). This sort of reward for being inflamed has obvious perverse incentives.
I don't support 100% free speech in school, but capitulating to "BUT I'M OFFENNNNNNNNNNNDED!!!" is an obvious non-starter. Granting censorship rights to people who say they're offended just leads to more people saying they're offended.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3965076&forum_id=2#35957990) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 11:14 AM Author: Racy Brindle Chad
>> but I think the confederate flag is such a starkly inflammatory symbol that it's not unreasonable to request that it be removed <<
I think what Thanks Mario! is saying that it's only so inflammatory because others are getting inflamed over it.
certainly some people view the confederate flag as an expression of Southern pride and not as an expression to genocide all blacks.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3965076&forum_id=2#35958006) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 11:22 AM Author: violent insane library cuckoldry
"I think what Thanks Mario! is saying that it's only so inflammatory because others are getting inflamed over it."
You can't have large numbers of people for long periods of time use a symbol in conjunction with violent acts and protests against basic civil rights and then blame blacks for being offended by it.
That's what separates something like the confederate flag from a Mexican or American flag.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3965076&forum_id=2#35958073) |
Date: May 1st, 2018 10:20 AM Author: Nighttime Pale Office Multi-billionaire
"Please understand that an immediate suspension may very well likely not be the consequence of a matter such as the one in question."
Good writing.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3965076&forum_id=2#35957670) |
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Date: May 1st, 2018 3:51 PM Author: soul-stirring home ladyboy
Flame? I guess nearly tearing this nation apart is flame. I guess inciting the bloodiest war in American history is flame. I guess committing massive human rights atrocities through slavery is flame
"But muh heritage!" Lisped the overweight redneck
All confederate statues and monuments should be torn down. The confederacy should be treated the way modern day Germany treats its nazi past - in other words, outlawed
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3965076&forum_id=2#35960455) |
Date: May 1st, 2018 3:40 PM Author: Internet-worthy shivering trailer park
It sounds like a lot of the people commenting on this article only read the Daily Wire summary and didn't bother to read the original Shelby Star article. The Shelby Star article includes a critical piece of information that was omitted from the Daily Wire, which was that the students in question had caused problems in the past, and that factored into the decision to suspend them.
I would strongly oppose any universal ban on flying the Confederate flag. If a town passed an ordinance prohibiting flying the Confederate flag on the grounds that African-American residents might riot if someone displayed the flag, I would consider that to be an unreasonable infringement on free speech. However, I also think that school administrators should be given very broad latitude to discipline their students for any sort of behavior that could disrupt learning. We're dealing with numbskull 16-year-olds here. As one who is married to a former K12 teacher, keeping them learning rather than fighting or fucking each other is a hard job. If a school administrator thinks that flying a Confederate flag (or an American flag) could potential causes fights or other disruptions, I would give them the benefit of the doubt. I wouldn't go so far as to give school administrators carte blanche to put limitations on the speech of their students, but I would give them much more leeway than a town government (example) that wanted to impose similar restrictions.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3965076&forum_id=2#35960374) |
Date: May 2nd, 2018 4:06 PM Author: light blathering queen of the night
A woman in family court today had a big confederate naval jack tattoo on her arm. She made sure to wear a sleeveless shirt so that everyone could see it.
I didn't see the hearing, but she was crying when she left the courthouse.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3965076&forum_id=2#35967937)
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