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Caught in a "catch 22" at my firm with inhouse counsel.

A senior associate I worked with at my firm went inhouse at ...
community_account
  05/15/18
lmao
communityluis
  05/15/18
180
ggtp
  05/15/18
I would not be a fraud and do my own work.
owl dood
  05/15/18
shit. each make you look shitty. I would say that you di...
moving target rodeo clown in dindu thunderdome
  05/15/18
OP in a tough spot but this seems like best way to go forwar...
Dickey Simpkins
  05/16/18
This. Tried to keep billables to a minimum so googled it. St...
[_____Sign Here____]
  05/16/18
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Taylor Swift was not a hobby she was a lifestyle
  05/16/18
This is what i wrote in an email tonight laying everything o...
community_account
  05/16/18
Update your resume
shrimp po boy
  05/15/18
What's avvo
Wilbur Mercer, the supreme gentleman
  05/15/18
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POOH-Mwah
  05/16/18
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N904PD
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Mario Lmao
  05/16/18
It is kind of dumb how we all pretend like we're not just go...
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bowlcut autist
  05/16/18
178
Bee School
  05/16/18
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Baron Mark von Ironside
  05/16/18
Tell them the truth. You use Avvo to get free advice from in...
.,..,.,.,.,..,....,..,.....
  05/16/18
Except he billed as if he did the research all on his own
Kosher Jesus
  05/16/18
They don’t know how long he “verified” the information from ...
.,..,.,.,.,..,....,..,.....
  05/16/18
Cr
Kosher Jesus
  05/16/18
this is a good idea and probably what ill do
community_account
  05/16/18
180
Mr. Eeyore, Esq.
  05/16/18
lol 180
don't run nigga i see you
  05/16/18
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL if flame, 180 if true, 190
zurichisstained
  05/16/18
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Baron Mark von Ironside
  05/16/18
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The Buzz Aldrin Spacelaw Fellowship
  05/16/18
JOHNSMEYER!
Mario Verduzco
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HojRakso
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cornhusker
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Taylor Swift was not a hobby she was a lifestyle
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cannon
  05/16/18
180 he's back!
John Jacob Jingleheimerdood
  05/16/18
Shad, Zeke, Halford, Lasko are next.
HojRakso
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Bee School
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A Jurisprudence is Performed
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and when i started to squeeze the bar brother
  05/16/18
HIP-HOP is alive!!!!!
"'""'"''""
  05/18/18
"look at that, somebody else had the same question and ...
Maori woman performing defiant haka
  05/16/18
Tell the partner that if the in-house counsel is going to go...
cannon
  05/16/18
I added in my email to him something similar to this, but in...
community_account
  05/17/18
Amazing post brother
Heteronormative, Cisgendered Bro
  05/16/18
180
Lodestar
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HojRakso
  05/18/18
180
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  06/01/18


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Date: May 15th, 2018 11:37 PM
Author: community_account

A senior associate I worked with at my firm went inhouse at a client. He'll call me to handle some work and I'm still a junior so that's cool. The company has been a client for over a decade and has my firm on retainer. We handle just about everything from revising their employment manuals to financing to trademarks.

He calls a partner I work for about a procedural issue his company is facing (involving accepting service of process but that's not relevant). His industry gets sued a lot. Partner tells me to look into it. What I've done for a couple years in biglaw is, for easy questions, I have an Avvo account that I post questions to. Typically 4-5 different shitlawyers with 25 years of experience respond. Avvo lawyers don't give you a lot, just a teaser, but I ask several parts of the question and get a full answer by piecing it together. I do this for state court procedure, criminal law (for pro bono), basic black letter law - I post all this on Avvo and the lawyers respond. Probably a bad habit. I guess I'm "outsourcing" some of my biglaw work to Avvo.

I posted the state court procedural issue to Avvo the inhouse counsel asked the partner about and had a few attorneys respond. I picked the best one and sent the inhouse counsel the answer, but made it look like I had written it. Inhouse counsel apparently googled what I'd sent and my Avvo question popped right up as the first result. He called the partner and said that if I was googling his questions and copying from Avvo he'd be forced to cut off our work. The partner asked me how much time I billed to this and another email about this "potentially serious" issue.

So I can tell the partner that the Avvo poster was me and he would probably get angry that I'm posting my biglaw work to Avvo for answers, or I can act like I just googled the answer and didn't spend much time on the question which makes me look lazy. What would you do?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36059284)



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Date: May 15th, 2018 11:41 PM
Author: communityluis

lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36059296)



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Date: May 15th, 2018 11:41 PM
Author: ggtp (ggtp)

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36059298)



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Date: May 15th, 2018 11:42 PM
Author: owl dood

I would not be a fraud and do my own work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36059302)



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Date: May 15th, 2018 11:47 PM
Author: moving target rodeo clown in dindu thunderdome

shit. each make you look shitty.

I would say that you did google it at first, but also confirmed it with X book or statute, etc. to make sure that was the right answer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36059318)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 2:16 PM
Author: Dickey Simpkins

OP in a tough spot but this seems like best way to go forward.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36062751)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 2:29 PM
Author: [_____Sign Here____] (CircuitCitySpecial)

This. Tried to keep billables to a minimum so googled it. Struck gold and checked it as poaster above said to make sure it's kosher.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36062802)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 2:32 PM
Author: Taylor Swift was not a hobby she was a lifestyle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36062820)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 9:32 PM
Author: community_account

This is what i wrote in an email tonight laying everything out. Said i was trying to be cost conscious (they dont know that i know we are on retainer). We’ll see what unfolds.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36065610)



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Date: May 15th, 2018 11:52 PM
Author: shrimp po boy

Update your resume

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36059351)



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Date: May 15th, 2018 11:54 PM
Author: Wilbur Mercer, the supreme gentleman (Short Pride World Wide)

What's avvo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36059366)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 12:10 AM
Author: POOH-Mwah (longmo)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36059455)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 12:12 AM
Author: N904PD



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36059459)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 12:15 AM
Author: Mario Lmao



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36059468)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 12:31 AM
Author: ..............;...................


It is kind of dumb how we all pretend like we're not just googling the answer, but seems like you're fucking over these dudes and then blatantly copying/pasting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36059547)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 12:46 AM
Author: bowlcut autist



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36059609)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 1:03 AM
Author: Bee School

178

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36059692)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 2:18 PM
Author: Baron Mark von Ironside



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36062760)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 1:10 AM
Author: .,..,.,.,.,..,....,..,.....


Tell them the truth. You use Avvo to get free advice from industry experts, which you then verify by doing your own research. The client should be happy, you’re billing less and getting work done faster.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36059711)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 1:18 AM
Author: Kosher Jesus

Except he billed as if he did the research all on his own

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36059737)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 1:20 AM
Author: .,..,.,.,.,..,....,..,.....


They don’t know how long he “verified” the information from Avvo. If you’re talking about time entires, nobody puts down the method of researching law topics.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36059744)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 1:31 AM
Author: Kosher Jesus

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36059781)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 9:16 AM
Author: community_account

this is a good idea and probably what ill do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36060716)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 1:10 AM
Author: Mr. Eeyore, Esq. (blackbeltinboredom@gmail.com)

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36059714)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 9:18 AM
Author: don't run nigga i see you (and icu)

lol 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36060726)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 9:20 AM
Author: zurichisstained (ass smells like a dick)

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

if flame, 180

if true, 190

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36060735)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 2:18 PM
Author: Baron Mark von Ironside



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36062763)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 2:50 PM
Author: The Buzz Aldrin Spacelaw Fellowship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36062928)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 2:08 PM
Author: Mario Verduzco

JOHNSMEYER!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36062708)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 2:08 PM
Author: HojRakso



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36062711)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 2:31 PM
Author: cornhusker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36062810)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 2:33 PM
Author: Taylor Swift was not a hobby she was a lifestyle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36062824)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 2:36 PM
Author: cannon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36062843)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 2:46 PM
Author: John Jacob Jingleheimerdood

180 he's back!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36062891)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 2:52 PM
Author: HojRakso

Shad, Zeke, Halford, Lasko are next.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36062939)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 2:48 PM
Author: Bee School



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36062913)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 2:50 PM
Author: A Jurisprudence is Performed (Savonarola did nothing wrong)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36062930)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 9:43 PM
Author: and when i started to squeeze the bar brother (http://youtu.be/sqLsqHctThU)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36065676)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 11:41 AM
Author: "'""'"''"" ( )


HIP-HOP is alive!!!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36076955)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 2:35 PM
Author: Maori woman performing defiant haka

"look at that, somebody else had the same question and got the same answer I came up with, weird!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36062836)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 2:37 PM
Author: cannon

Tell the partner that if the in-house counsel is going to google the answers for himself, don't bother asking you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36062850)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 1:11 AM
Author: community_account

I added in my email to him something similar to this, but in a lighter tone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36067023)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 9:34 PM
Author: Heteronormative, Cisgendered Bro (Het+Cis)

Amazing post brother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36065624)



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Date: May 16th, 2018 9:39 PM
Author: Lodestar

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36065651)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 10:34 AM
Author: HojRakso



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36076403)



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Date: June 1st, 2018 12:17 PM
Author: il primo a raggiungere 1000 punti vince serbatoio

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36165213)



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Date: June 1st, 2018 12:19 PM
Author: Dickey Simpkins



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978007&forum_id=2#36165223)