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In-house $550k Deputy GC vs. v30 non-equity partner $900k
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Date: May 22nd, 2018 9:41 PM Author: lavender concupiscible marketing idea 34, 2 kids, wife works and makes $400k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36108394) |
Date: May 22nd, 2018 9:45 PM Author: aromatic azn kitty cat Deputy GC and not even close. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36108437) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:19 PM Author: Mustard state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36113123) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:25 PM Author: Ebony Bateful Senate Volcanic Crater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36114388) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2018 9:54 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Knife Digit Ratio Your kids will be happy to pay the difference to have you in their lives
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Date: May 22nd, 2018 9:55 PM Author: aromatic azn kitty cat Not necessarily. More introverted types who are well-balanced don't give a fuck if their father is around or not. If your kids are neurotic whiney faggots, they may need you around a lot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36108503) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 8:24 AM Author: lavender concupiscible marketing idea jfc what (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110436) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 8:24 AM Author: Mahogany Stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110441) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:56 AM Author: spectacular prole rehab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110799) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 10:18 AM Author: lavender concupiscible marketing idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36117978) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 2:15 PM Author: citrine frozen resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36152536) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:06 AM Author: Exciting forum background story I just can't imagine there's really that much of a lifestyle difference between $1m/year and $1.5m/year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110849) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:51 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Knife Digit Ratio there isn't especially when you are being taxed to hell anyway (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36113359) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2018 9:56 PM Author: demanding sanctuary Lmfao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36108516) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 8:25 AM Author: lilac juggernaut hours per week estimate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110446) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:30 AM Author: lavender concupiscible marketing idea 50 and 70 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110676) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:42 AM Author: lilac juggernaut 50 and never second guess it. 900k/year is plenty. the extra 20 hours and stress for another 500 or so isn't worth it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110726) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 4:17 PM Author: spectacular prole rehab The thing people don't realize is that the more you work the worse every hour is because you have a certain number of hours in your week that have to go to stuff like sleeping, eating, shitting, bathing, commuting, dealing with bills/home stuff, etc. Generously, if you think of your 50 hours a week in terms of "free time" you should figure that you'll be home by 7pm and be able to generally relax until 11pm, and on weekends you'll get everything except maybe 4-5 hours. Now subtract 20 hours from that. If you take 2 hours per day during the week you still need to find another 10 hours over the weekend (in addition to the 4-5 hours you're already doing). In other words, you have killed the majority of your free time and now have almost none left. I'm not even factoring in shit like exercising, children, spouse time, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36113533) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:50 AM Author: spectacular prole rehab I do 50 now and have done 70 before. 50 is normal work schedule + occasional emails in evenings and some weekend work. 70 means you're basically doing nothing but working. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110769) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:14 AM Author: arousing sick karate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110882) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:18 AM Author: lilac juggernaut (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110916) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:57 AM Author: Mahogany Stage youre insane to not take the 50 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110807) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2018 8:12 AM Author: Talking Charismatic Theater Stage lol is this srs?
i wouldn't do 70 hours a week for 1MM for more than one year |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 8:27 AM Author: Crystalline Excitant Stage just do make almost $1m as a non-equity partner at white & case lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110462) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:30 AM Author: lavender concupiscible marketing idea "Non-equity" you know how the false one tier systems work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110674) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 8:31 AM Author: Out-of-control shaky pozpig V30, easily (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110487) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:48 AM Author: swollen stain stag film Answer depends on how much longer you want to work and whether you want to be a GC one day. Also, relatedly, depends on how old your kids are. If your goal is to retire early then v30. If you expect to work for 10+ years and potentially either get promoted or have another job after the deputy GC job then probably the DGC job unless it’s at a shit company that won’t help your resume. The other factor is how much of a book you have at the v30 and what practice area, i.e. what are the prospects to grow the 900k to a lot more if you do plan to work for a while longer (7+ more years). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110753) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:49 AM Author: spectacular prole rehab DGC without blinking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110760) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:50 AM Author: dead twinkling sex offender tattoo v30 without blinking (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110770) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:51 AM Author: Titillating black crotch macaca pull the trigger (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110777) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:55 AM Author: spectacular prole rehab A DGC gig with that pay is basically the dream. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110794) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:57 AM Author: dead twinkling sex offender tattoo and is the first candidate to get shitcanned when things hit a downturn or there's an acquisition. you have zero job security unless you shed the deputy off your title (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110803) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:58 AM Author: Mahogany Stage whatever, you can easily cop another role once youre in the game (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110808) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:01 AM Author: lavender concupiscible marketing idea Will have 6 AGCs and paralegals working under DGC, large legal department (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110822) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:02 AM Author: swollen stain stag film Depends. E.g. head of litigation has a ton of job security at the start of a downturn. Probably also safe is the lead lawyer over ops/procurement who will have to help paper all the cost cutting measures. But if you’re the DGC who supports the head of sales and the head of sales is fired you are fucked. If you support something fluffy like CMO or are chief ethics officer, also fucked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110826) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:04 AM Author: spectacular prole rehab I know several people fitting this description that have done it for decades. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110837) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:10 AM Author: swollen stain stag film On average way more job security for a 550k DGC than for a recently made and/or non-equity partner who does not have a substantial and portable book of business. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110868) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:30 AM Author: spectacular prole rehab Without a doubt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36111011) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:16 PM Author: lavender concupiscible marketing idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36113085) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:27 PM Author: Ebony Bateful Senate Volcanic Crater Cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36114401) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:24 PM Author: Supple up-to-no-good hissy fit halford Agreed. Not even close. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36115336) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:13 AM Author: Titillating black crotch macaca I know a PI attorney who rolls in the office about twice a month to check his mail. Spends a couple hours a day working from home, mostly just talking on the phone and getting referrals from old LS buddies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110880) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:14 AM Author: Exciting forum background story we all know CSLG, dude (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110886) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:15 AM Author: Mahogany Stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110894) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:16 AM Author: Titillating black crotch macaca nah CSLG is at it 24 hours a day 7 days a week. He probably makes 40-50x as much $ but fuck that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36110900) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:05 PM Author: lavender concupiscible marketing idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36115228) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:31 AM Author: Thirsty Pearly Spot Factory Reset Button Flame thread I assume. There is a v30 that pays their non equity partners $900k? Which firm is this because my friends who are non equity get paid $500-600k and they should jump ship immediately. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36111021) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:33 AM Author: lavender concupiscible marketing idea Yah all the big NY based PE facing firms do this. There is not a separate tier of the outside world but they do not have clients and have very little variable comp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36111039) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:58 AM Author: Thirsty Pearly Spot Factory Reset Button I know a handful of non equity in those types of firms but none approaching that sort of comp. K&E pays better than most and somebody I know there makes like $650k.
Coincidentally, got contacted by a recruiter today for a senior in house position at blackstone in their hedge fund division. Not sure what kind of place you’re talking but if PE, I assume a place that’d pay $550k is blackstone or equivalent. But btwn $550k at blackstone or $900k, id prob take $900. Blackstone is more than 50 hours a week though.
Also, I think it’s a bit different standard for men and women. I wouldn’t advise a woman to take the higher paying job. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:18 PM Author: lavender concupiscible marketing idea K&e non-equity is true fraud lies. This applies for junior partners w:o clients at clearly, Cahill, debevoise, willkie, omelveney, stb, pail weiss |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 5:24 PM Author: Aquamarine Sexy Lay you are notionally equity at these places even if your comp is fixed for the first 2-3 years, and you would have pretty good job security - you don't see partners at places like this leaving very often unless it's to go to K&E for a big payday. If you take the v30 partnership job you should expect your comp to rise to some extent over the next 5 years, even if you stay a service partner, and you probably have better job security as a partner at firms like this than you have as a deputy GC anywhere.
That said given your wife's income it seems like a no-brainer to take the DGC job. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:52 PM Author: Thirsty Pearly Spot Factory Reset Button Well I know nothing about comp at those firms, so it that’s the case, then negotiate for a higher in house comp. at a senior level, you’re not expected to take a 40% paycut to go in-house. If they can pay $550k, they can pay $700k.
Thread is unclear if you’re at the firm already though or you have an offer at a v30 v in house. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 7:19 PM Author: lavender concupiscible marketing idea At K&E non-equity billing 2800 hours. Holding both offers and need to make a decision quickly. Very nervous about wrong move closing out long term millions. This thread was flame by the way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36114672) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:10 AM Author: lavender concupiscible marketing idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36125490) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2018 8:10 AM Author: lavender concupiscible marketing idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36170211) |
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Date: July 13th, 2018 1:13 PM Author: lavender concupiscible marketing idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36419198) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:16 PM Author: Salmon Parlor obviously the deputy GC. lol at working past 5 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36113089) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 4:10 PM Author: Honey-headed Home Mood Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36113492) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 4:14 PM Author: swashbuckling shrine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36113515) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 4:13 PM Author: Sadistic fragrant area i haven't heard of any non-equity partners making around $1 million in biglaw - usually the biglaw firms that have these tiers treat non-equity like shit.
That said there are several non-equity partners at my firm who make over $1 million, but equity here doesn't mean much, and some people would prefer to stack cash rather than have to buy in, if all it means is trading a vote for personal liability. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 4:21 PM Author: maniacal cerebral boiling water international law enforcement agency Deputy GC duh. When the partnership’s taxes are accounted for you probably earn more as the DGC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36113561) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 4:22 PM Author: Sadistic fragrant area partnership's taxes?
non-equity. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 4:25 PM Author: maniacal cerebral boiling water international law enforcement agency Oh I missed that. Still go DGC because you have zero job security as a non-equity partner and that’s a Grade A “BITCH” job anyways. The DGC job is top 0.0000001% of in-house jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36113591) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 4:29 PM Author: demanding sanctuary Lmao crrr calling it a grade a bitch job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36113641) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 4:33 PM Author: floppy newt Wouldn't a lot of V30 firms not even pay 900k for that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36113666) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 4:49 PM Author: maniacal cerebral boiling water international law enforcement agency How much business would you be required to generate in the non-equity role?
What size is the company? F200/etc. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 5:37 PM Author: lavender concupiscible marketing idea Oh would manage large institutional clients. Company is F100 |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 5:51 PM Author: mischievous dopamine F100 all the way.
The arrangement at the V30 is likely temporary based on how much biz they have. I don’t think any firm in the word is paying a glorified senior associate 900k for years and years on end. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 5:54 PM Author: Sadistic fragrant area not V-50 biglaw but there are plenty of firms where originating millions in business (making over $1 million) are not equity partners. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36114168) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:11 PM Author: mischievous dopamine Making over $1 million while originating $0 of business? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36114296) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:13 PM Author: Sadistic fragrant area no that's basically impossible.
But you can originate several million in business, be compensated for it, and still be non-equity if you don't care to vote or be personally liable for finances of the firm. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:34 PM Author: demanding sanctuary So all the spoils without any of th risk or obligations? Sounds 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36114460) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:40 PM Author: Sadistic fragrant area you dont get to vote to protect yourself or the people on your team. not sure how much that is worth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36114485) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:50 PM Author: Exciting forum background story how much is your vote even fucking worth in a 500 person law firm? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36114534) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 2:09 PM Author: maniacal cerebral boiling water international law enforcement agency How dumb are you? None of the upside if you work a ton/bring in tons of business since you are paid on salary and all of the risk since if you get fired you have no actual clients to take with you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36152503) |
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Date: June 1st, 2018 12:42 PM Author: spectacular prole rehab IIRC, Earl gets a portion of what he brings in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36165373) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:54 PM Author: Blathering Splenetic Pocket Flask after taxes, the extra $350K won't turn out to be very much. Especially considering the likely difference in hours worked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36114553) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:32 PM Author: Heady tank indian lodge really depends on what the deputy GC position is like
at my corp, our deputy GC works just as hard as a V10 partner and is under just as much stress |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:20 PM Author: spectacular prole rehab I seriously find this hard to believe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36129541) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 1:53 PM Author: lavender concupiscible marketing idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36152412) |
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Date: May 30th, 2018 2:17 PM Author: citrine frozen resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984139&forum_id=2#36152544) |