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Why does no one talk about the obesity epidemic anymore?
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Date: May 26th, 2018 1:27 AM Author: Rose pisswyrm Spend two days in any other first world country and you will immediately be like "WTF happened to America?" Sure, there are chunky people in Europe. But the sheer number of massive landwhales in the U.S. is something that I have never seen anywhere else.
I remember when people used to be normal sized in the US. Even the early 2000s, when 30% of the population was obese, seems quaint and innocent compared to now. I was born in the mid-80s. Maybe kids born later don't even know what I'm talking about.
The "obesity epidemic" used to be something that people talked about. Now all you hear is how Starbucks is the second coming and you're an anti-science bigot if you're against GMOs because they're "proven safe."
But it's beyond obvious that something is really screwed up about our environment in the U.S. There are many possible factors. Lack of physical activity because of TTT work culture. Lack of public transit. Antibiotics in meat and dairy messing up gut flora. Roundup messing up gut flora. Cultural attitudes that condone slovenliness and overconsumption. My guess is that the phenomenon is the result of several factors. It's hard to think that it's individuals' fault because it's so pronounced compared to any other comparable countries. But why is no one talking about it? |
Date: May 26th, 2018 1:29 AM Author: Dun At-the-ready Field Deer Antler 1) people do talk about it
2) your analysis is pretty bad and lmao at the GMO fearmongering |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 1:30 AM Author: Frisky Wonderful Pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130158) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 1:32 AM Author: Rose pisswyrm (CEO of Monsanto) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130162) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 1:34 AM Author: Dun At-the-ready Field Deer Antler I realize it’s hard to have a serious discussion on here nowadays, but throwing in crackpot tangents to an otherwise good question doesn’t help. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130165) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 1:36 AM Author: Rose pisswyrm Thanks for YOU'RE contribution to this thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130171) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 1:39 AM Author: Dun At-the-ready Field Deer Antler Probably better to check Google scholar than ask here, tbh.
The short version is that people eat more calories (due to hyperpalatable foods for example) and that’s why there are more fat people. |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 1:48 AM Author: Rose pisswyrm So is something different about ARE food than elsewhere in the first world? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130221) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 1:50 AM Author: Dun At-the-ready Field Deer Antler Potentially, but if so along the lines of “more salt” and less about gut flora.
I wonder if Alan Aragon has written about this. He’s the first source I’d check. |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 1:52 AM Author: Rose pisswyrm Wow, it's as simple as "more salt"??!??!?!? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130228) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 1:52 AM Author: Dun At-the-ready Field Deer Antler Increased food energy supply is more than sufficient to explain the US epidemic of obesity. Am J Clin Nutr. 2009 Oct 14. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130231) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 1:54 AM Author: Rose pisswyrm Salt = energy? News to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130237) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 1:54 AM Author: Dun At-the-ready Field Deer Antler No, but increases palatability.
I don’t think it’s a major factor tbh. See article for a SCHOALRLY analysis. |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:18 AM Author: Mewling Indian Lodge Mad Cow Disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130313) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:20 AM Author: Mewling Indian Lodge Mad Cow Disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130316) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 1:39 AM Author: odious principal's office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130183) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 1:46 AM Author: Well-lubricated Nowag International Law Enforcement Agency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130216) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 7:36 PM Author: gay aromatic roommate Just Google Obesity epidemic and there are a million recent hits. CR LOL at the GMO scare mongering. People are fat because we are surrounded by delicious cheap high fat/sugar/carb foods at all times and people are weak willed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36133206) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 1:40 AM Author: histrionic rigpig dog poop Why don't we talk about CGWBTs anymore (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130189) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:02 AM Author: mind-boggling maize halford SJWs convinced us that all people are beautiful, except for Donald Trump, who is a Cheeto-faced monster. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130264) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:04 AM Author: Salmon home and shorts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130269) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 7:36 PM Author: gay aromatic roommate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36133208) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 1:41 AM Author: Salmon home shitlibs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130191) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 1:41 AM Author: Shimmering electric locus This is dumb thinking. You can look at statistics. America isn't that much fatter than other countries.
You are just comparing what ever podunk suburb you live in with the nice parts of Paris. If you walk around the Upper West Side or Orange County people aren't fat either. |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 1:47 AM Author: Rose pisswyrm I live downtown in a major U.S. city. Even MFH is not at all comparable to Paris. LJL, most Parisians literally do not eat. MFH has tons of megafats that you simply do not see anywhere in Europe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130219) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 5:09 PM Author: Thriller tan dilemma boltzmann lol, OC is full of fat Mexicans (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36132807) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 1:47 AM Author: cobalt double fault Healthy at any size bigot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130217) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 1:47 AM Author: exciting dopamine step-uncle's house I talk about it all the time. It's one of the greatest moral crises facing America. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130218) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 1:48 AM Author: Dun At-the-ready Field Deer Antler How is it a “moral” crisis? (Any more than, say, deaths from smoking or drunk driving?) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130222) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 1:54 AM Author: exciting dopamine step-uncle's house Obesity is a manifestation of many separate ills. It shows that people don't care about being active and physically fit. It shows they cannot control their appetites. It shows they don't care about their outward appearance, because being fat is revolting to look upon. Romantically, it shows a lack of commitment to pleasing one's partner, because for almost all ppl obesity is very unattractive. Collectively, the toleration of obesity in young people and a lack of real action to stamp out obesity shows that as a society we've grown uncaring about the overall basic quality of our citizenry.
Basically, obesity is the physical manifestation of a greater internal sickness in America. |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 1:56 AM Author: hairraiser orchestra pit legal warrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130246) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 1:56 AM Author: Motley purple house We call it comorbities. But really just means “the fats” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130248) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 1:58 AM Author: Comical Overrated Messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130255) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:03 AM Author: Dun At-the-ready Field Deer Antler Charles, you’re a great poster but I think this analysis is wrongheaded.
As someone who’s looked into evidence-based approaches to weight loss, you should know that exercise plays a minor role at best. Perhaps a larger cultural shift towards more sedentary jobs and lifestyles could be implicated, but that’s not an individual moral failing. Plenty of skinny people never exercise.
More broadly it is evident that most people DO care about losing weight and maintaining a healthy appearance. Witness the massive amount of money spent on weight loss products and diet pills and so on. I realize you probably have weirdo “health at any size” activists in mind when you wrote that, but they are distinctly in the minority. Most people understand at a visceral level that fewer people will want to fuck then if they’re fat.
Further, I don’t think we “tolerate” obesity in the youth so much as we just don’t know how to deal with it. Sure, parents need to stop that shit early, but there are systemic factors working against them and it’s hard for working class people to micromanage their children’s lives. To the extent we can, we ARE taking action (see for instance the recent mandatory calorie labels in restaurants).
I think this is a hard problem and runs much deeper than “moral” failings. |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:21 AM Author: exciting dopamine step-uncle's house Exercise plays a minor role in keeping off weight, but that's not what I was referring to. It's simply true that, in general, it's impossible to be seriously "in shape" while being obese. Basically, a person who has let themself become obese has cut themself off from a key component of being a robust, well-rounded person.
You're right that many ppl do care about losing weight, but a ton don't, and our idea of what level of fat is "acceptable" also keeps rising. Fat acceptance activists are rare, but there are far more people who passively accept fatness as their default state. I meet them all the time.
Calories in restaurants are good, but frankly I think we could go further. I think it was disgraceful that the right generally opposed Michelle Obama's pro-healthy kids stuff, and if anything they should be more enthusiastic in promoting fitness. Fuck it, let fats be charged more for plane tickets. Give small college scholarships to people who can pass some military readiness fitness test. Tax obesity itself if you want. There's lots of shit we could do. But letting America gradually become a hellscape of fat monsters is abominable. |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:25 AM Author: Dun At-the-ready Field Deer Antler Agree with third paragraph. First one is fine too.
The issue you identify in the second paragraph seems more like a symptom than a cause though. |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:05 AM Author: mind-boggling maize halford Horseshit.
People didn't change. The environment changed.
The individualistic explanations are garbage. |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:07 AM Author: Motley purple house Fat people got fat. The scale changed. Our eyeballs didnt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130278) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:10 AM Author: spectacular geriatric national they have mcdonalds and BK abroad as well. except people outside the US aren't fat. the problem is the people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130289) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:11 AM Author: Dun At-the-ready Field Deer Antler The food is different and it’s less widespread, and further BK alone isn’t th problem.
If you doubled a country’s BKs they’d probably get fatter. |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:14 AM Author: spectacular geriatric national they would double the BKs if there was any demand for it outside of tourist areas. face it, americans want to be fat cows, and these corps are just giving them what they want (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130302) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:13 AM Author: mind-boggling maize halford People outside the U.S. are fat, and the whole world is getting fatter.
In any case, I don't see how pointing to a different environment helps you. |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:14 AM Author: Dun At-the-ready Field Deer Antler (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130303) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 4:49 PM Author: Swashbuckling avocado brethren goal in life no, this is extremely retarded and wrong
the reason most people are fat is because there are other people who make billions and billions of dollars making people fat and face virtually no constraints or consequences for doing so
i realize your whole shtick is reactionary nonsense but thinking that everyone just decided "eh, let's get fat" around 1983 is profoundly stupid |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 7:36 PM Author: gay aromatic roommate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36133209) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:03 AM Author: mind-boggling maize halford "Moral"? In what sense? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130268) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:05 AM Author: Motley purple house We’ve normalised fats as acceptable. Thats a moral perogative on us all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130271) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:08 AM Author: Dun At-the-ready Field Deer Antler You quickly run into problems with this approach. Shaming fat people empirically just that effect and has undesirable side effects.
Probably better to treat it like depression or another mild mental illness, as something bad that ought to be treated, but not the target of shame. |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:09 AM Author: Motley purple house I work for a pbm. We’d love to hear your strategy. We give hugs now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130287) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:12 AM Author: Dun At-the-ready Field Deer Antler Bro, if I had a good solution I wouldn’t be posting here, I’d be off getting rich.
But shaming fat people for being fat is counterproductive. Treat it with the respect you would treat any other illness. |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:17 AM Author: Motley purple house We do t have drugs for that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130312) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:15 AM Author: mind-boggling maize halford Here's the solution: tax calories.
It won't be pretty, but it will work. |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:17 AM Author: Dun At-the-ready Field Deer Antler Idk. I haven’t looked at the research on sin taxes lately but I don’t recall them being that effective. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130311) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:19 AM Author: Motley purple house We are all going to pay more (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130314) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:32 AM Author: mind-boggling maize halford They would need to be draconian, much like cigarette taxes.
Since 1960, food prices have dropped from about 17.5% of income to about 10% of income. We'd need to raise prices about 75% just to get back to that point. And the environmental factors are stronger now, so we might have to raise prices even more. That bag of Doritos is now $12.
Or we could hope for medical, pharmaceutical, and genetic breakthroughs. |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:22 AM Author: exciting dopamine step-uncle's house Fuck that. Tax obesity. People respond to incentives. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130324) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:46 AM Author: mind-boggling maize halford And they respond better to direct, immediate, easily understood incentives. Price tags are all of those things.
Taxing obesity would require people to engage in additional long term planning and self-control, which they are already struggling with.
You might call that a feature, but it would produce inferior weight loss outcomes. |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:12 AM Author: mind-boggling maize halford What does "normalize" mean in a concrete sense? We don't scream, "Hey, fatass" out of moving cars? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130298) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:16 AM Author: Motley purple house no longer shamed. Socially acceptable via social media. We cant call it out at a coverage level.
Its an epidemic I cannot send a compliance letter.
Where did it go wrong? |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:10 AM Author: know-it-all titillating chapel juggernaut Reminder: you were a fat fuck until a few months ago. Statistics say there is a 95% you will be just as fat as you were at your peak weight 5 years from now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130290) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:24 AM Author: exciting dopamine step-uncle's house You are correct. And the only reason I changed at all was because of moral revulsion at what I had become, not because of health concerns.
Maybe I will regress but at least I will have the dignity to hate myself if I do. |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:30 AM Author: Motley purple house 102% (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130345) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 1:50 AM Author: Motley purple house From a pbm perspective, cant fix it. We can do a quantity limit on what we can prescribe. We cant smack a fucking doughnut out of your hand. Have to cover the symtoms, not the cause at this point.
fuck you if you post a couple of photos of your fat frame on instagram and we dont have to pretend you are now a model.
We have cracked down opioids. Fats are gonna fat |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:49 AM Author: mind-boggling maize halford I don't think there's any realistic chance of a policy solution, but we might find a technological solution (e.g., magic gene therapy that cranks down the hunger dial). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130369) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:07 AM Author: know-it-all titillating chapel juggernaut But the GMOs, he lisped.
Funny thread. |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:22 AM Author: Motley purple house Millenials are their own epidemic coming up. Off the chart bmis by 30 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130322) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:39 AM Author: Motley purple house We all know Charles is still a fucking chub. He’s fat by any measure (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130358) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:45 AM Author: exciting dopamine step-uncle's house Haha, whatever you say man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130366) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 2:54 AM Author: Comical Overrated Messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36130373) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 5:02 AM Author: soul-stirring haunted graveyard Farm subsidies make for abundant, cheap carbs, and advertising prevalence and ad consumption in the US are probably higher than elsewhere, PLUS unique case of social isolation in the US brought on by dissolution of communities Food is too cheap and people spend their nights alone mindlessly eating those cheap foods |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 4:58 PM Author: bateful feces (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36132766) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 6:09 PM Author: adulterous bright space For a long time I believed that obesity came down to calories in versus calories out. That's true, but I've come to believe that it's more complicated. Specifically, I think that refined carbs are especially bad for people. I largely quit the last of them a few months ago, and I lost three inches from my waist in a couple of weeks. This was while still eating lots of calories from protein and fats. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986841&forum_id=2#36132966) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 7:09 PM Author: Learning disabled clown dragon Number one contributor is air conditioning. When it's 90, you literally do not want to eat. When it's 65, you can put down a pizza.
Number two contributor is abundant, cheap food. People are constantly eating huge meals and downing huge drinks loaded with calories. |